the first 4 minutes of this video is just growing horror at the size of the task he's set out for himself, holy crap. We all owe this man a like for his dedication.
My dad was at the Mosport race in '68 and the story he old me about that day was:
"The fog was so thick you literally couldn't see your hand at the end of your arm, after about three hours of waiting they sent jackie stewart out to do a couple of recon laps and once he went back in the race started 40 minutes later, and the fog was still just as thick as it had been in the morning when I got there".
You couldn't see the track from the hilltop at Moss corner. But the sound of Stewart's car in the fog through 2 and 3 from 5 was awesome.
Frankly, Avus should be F tier. While it's iconic and a symbol of the era, it's also just two absurdly long straight with a hairpin at one end and a brick wall just shallow enough to drive on at the other. Seriously, it makes Atlanta (pre-repave) look like the Nurburgring
I was thinking the same, that and he said it was a literal wall of death then put the endurance layout from Bahrain underneath it lol
I'm glad the that they just use it for testing cars today its a boring and deadly track
Nah, its unironically great. So many passing opportunities
-extended period of time at full speed = more powerful draft = many passing opportunities on the straights
-First hairpin = great passing zone
-back onto another straight
-final turn, a hairpin wouldve been good enough because it would still be a passing zone, but they went all the way and made it a huge banked turn which is what bumps it from being A tier to S tier.
It is literally the only track in existence (aside from traditional ovals) that has more passing opportunites than it has turns.
Not to mention the straights would truly test the reliability of the cars.
I'm not being ironic btw. The racing there at a safety updated avus would be so good
As someone who went to the last 4 races at the Indianapolis road course, I think it's massively underrated, even to this day. Fan visibility and facilities were top notch, and its main flaws were either fixed after F1 left (the double-hairpin in the infield) or weren't the track's fault to begin with (the final corner). I really wish they'd go back, as the track has a lot more history and is way more accessible for the average fan in both location and price than Miami, Austin or Vegas are.
I think it would be tremendous with the current regs, far better than the abysmal Miami circuit. Would probably be a big cash cow too because of the track's capacity, despite the city of Indianapolis not being a tourist destination.
@@scullystie4389 Honestly you'd be surprised how adept Indianapolis is for large sporting events - on top of hosting the highest attended sporting event in the world every year (Indy 500), it also frequently hosts NCAA basketball and football tournament games, and even a couple Super Bowls, and did so really well all things considered. Also, speaking from experience, everything from accommodation to food is a lot cheaper too being in the Midwest.
I fully agree with you on Indianapolis road course being underrated. It would be great to see F1 return there instead of either Miami or Las Vegas and the '05 PR disaster should no longer have a particularly noteworthy impact on attendance numbers, if at all.
Certainly doesn’t help it’s case that the three Cup races they ran there were a complete joke, a shit-show, and boring as sin respectively. Indy itself has faired a little better but even they’ve cut one of the two IRC dates now.
You should do a follow up where you create a 24 (or less) race F1 schedule choosing the best tracks from this list.
I'm tempted to make a little championship with all the F and D tier tracks I can get my hands on, see how much pain I can endure, though I quite like new Fuji so that won't be too bad at least.
9:40 I thought you'd got the Brabham fan car and the Tyrrell 6 wheeler mixed up but funnily enough Anderstorp is the track where both cars took their one and only wins
Loved all the video, but I feel loving Monaco as I do is becoming more and more a controversial opinion.
Personally, Q3 at Monaco is the highlight of the whole season and racing there, especially in the wet, is beyond human.
It’s a challenge no other track in the world can provide (Macao, Bathurst, Pau and the Ring come close but they are not currently hosting F1).
This makes Monaco an S tier track for me and honestly I really struggle to understand all the hate. It’s a precious and unique gem in the calendar that needs to be preserved
I feel like watching a lap and racing in Monaco are quite spectacular. But the racing nowadays is just atrocious and that's the main reason why people hate races there...
I think it should be the main event of F1, like Indy 500 is in Indycar. They could race in smaller cars, probably F3s with painted liveries. This way you could have a special race with all drivers racing in pretty much equal machinery.
I think Monaco perhaps should be turned into a one-off time trial event, because from FP1 to Q3, it is the best track on the calendar, but due to track position being so dominant, racing doesn't function unless rain comes in to throw a spanner in the works in the "track position vs pace" equation.
I stumbled across this video, and I absolutely loved it. I know almost nothing going on, but I still loved it for learning a bit about each track.
And, because I owned Forza Motorsport (sold it after less than 10 hours of playtime), I even got to relate to Barcelona’s awful final chicane. Mind you, that wasn’t even in a fast F1 car it was a near-stock RX-7 FC. It just creates a crushing hammer blow to the shins. If it were a faster chicane I wouldn’t have minded but it just smashes the flow.
You forgot that in 1954, the Argentinian layout was run in the opposite way than on the original layout (only for that year)
Anyone else thought the music that came up during Jerez was coming from some other tab?
I completely understand the low ranking of Monaco for the lousy racing it produces. Personally I believe it's a brilliant track and Monaco qualifying is the ultimate test of driver skill, the fault lies primarily with the cars becoming larger than a full-size pick-up truck.
Great video! I have been a passionate f1 fan for the best part of a decade but some of these old school tracks are still so facinating and new to me. Great tierlist!
Honestly, with the new generation of Formula E cars being effectively at F2 level performance now (at least if it weren't for them not using slicks...) I think the Monaco ePrix is a genuinely more enjoyable watch at the moment than the F1 Grand Prix, merely cause the cars are so much smaller
The Formula E race was very good. The F1 qualifying this year was the highlight of the F1 season though imo.
As a little detail, it's remarkable how Interlagos is by far the oldest layout currently in use in Formula 1!
SPR, I absolutely loved the video, it made my week. Love learning more about F1 from the 50s and 60s, and this little journey through some lesser known tracks was a blast!
The thing with the Hockenheim layout is that there's a crass contrast between watching it on TV and driving it yourself. When driving on the Sim, the original layout is a bombastic experience while the new one is... kinda meh. It's the exact opposite when watching it on TV. The only real thrill about the old circuit was that there were guaranteed to be multiple drivers whose engines spontaneously combusted.
If you want an example of how great Buenos Aires is, try it in AMS2 with the Formula V10 gen 1. It's a really fun combo!
The 70s and 90s layouts of Buenos Aires are massively underrated. The old one feels just like classic Hockenheim with an arena section full of technical corners after a minute-long flatout blast. The 90s one has a string of corners that just never ends, but flows perfectly.
Man this is such an amazing task and the most complete work that ever happened!
It’s even very relevant to sim racers so they know which tracks they should download!
100% agree about new Hockenheim vs. the old loop. The old version is just discount Le Mans where the best section was the last 25% of the lap. New Hockenheim took the amazing stadium section and added several amazing corners that improved the flow of the circuit.
Ahh yes, another southpaw racer video since forever.F*cking finally.....
before even watching the teir list part of this, the amount of work you've done is increadible and is great. now to sit down for 90 minuetes and shout at my screen every time you put a track in a teir it shouldn't be in.
I´ve never watched a 100min UA-cam video from beginning to the end without skipping. Until today :D
Thank you for this great video. With beer and crisps it was a nice entertaining evenig :D
1:32.00 Österreichring. There is one version between the original and the 1977 version. After Donahue's crash the Hella Licht chicane had first a double apex layout. Then after that it became a right-left-right chicane.
The rant about temporary circuits called "street circuits" is absolutely spot on. Something I've always thought but that I've never found the words to say it
1:13:56 we actually pronounce it "Rince" but without stressing the n
No NO No, why are you so right? I thought I knew everything, and you bring me more. < greatest of all time
It's the LAYOUTS!? I'm so in now, for finding out the worst Imola modification
Watched the entire thing. Brilliant video mate!
Original Interlagos in Automobilista 2 is a wild ride.
Quick edit: If you ever do visit Canada, try and see a summertime race at Mosport. It's only an hour's drive easy of Toronto. If you think the track is fun in video games, wait until you see how much of a rollercoaster ride it is in real life. The drop from turn 4 and sudden incline into turn 5 is an absolute marvel.
I pretty much commented the same thing about Mosport. Walking the track after the racing finishes for the day really let’s you get a feel for how insane the track is
God bless this man, you are a gift to the Motorsport community, I'm always anticipating your next video but you've really outdone yourself this time. Keep up the good work!
It's a rare sight for a channel I've never seen before to keep me watching a full 2 hour video
One of the best things about Mosport that you don’t get by looking at the track map is the insane elevation changes. Just a brilliant track and amazing to watch sports car racing in person at
COTA is one really good major upgrade away form being an S tier circuit. Fix the overly large runoff areas especially T1 and T19. The sector one Maggot/Beckett/Suzuki tribute section needs to jackhammered so only grass is lining the awesome section. And the Mickey Mouse overly tight section needs to be simplified by removing a couple corners and have the back straight connect more directly to the triple apex corner. Do those things and you have a circuit ever bit as good as Suzuka, Spa, and Silverstone!
Looks like we finally found the Super Serious Track Tierlist
*Blog it*
I personally think Istanbul and Sepang are two of Herman's best track designs which is legitimately fun to play and watch racing on
A full movie-length SouthPawRacer video? I feel spoiled!
great video, definitely point the mouse when talking about specific corners tho, sometimes I was very confused but overall great vid
I share a lot of the top circuits with you, Spa, Suzuka, Nords, and Montreal but I also put Mugello in S tier too (although mine isn't specifically an F1 circuit ranking, rather just a ranking in general). I only have one other track in S tier, and that is Oran Park.
One hot take I have is that I'd rather see F1 back at the Nürburgring (The GP circuit, not the Nordschleife to be clear) than at Hockenheim. I actually agree that modern Hockenheim is better suited to F1 than its previous layouts, but it's become a very average F1 track. It's pretty good, but nothing special. The Nürburgring on the other hand is something F1 doesn't have a lot of: A high downforce track that isn't insanely narrow. Monaco and Hungary are F1's staple high downforce tracks, but you hear all the time how difficult it is to overtake there. As good as Imola is, it's actually pretty hard to overtake there as well with modern F1 cars, and Zandvoort has basically the same issue.
All other F1 tracks that are currently on the calendar are medium or high speed tracks, and Hockenheim would fall into that category as well, so I think Nürburg might be a more interesting track to return to.
Great video, as always!
Just one thing I noticed: The 1980 layout of Imola actually also had the chicane at Acque Minerali, I know it shows up without the chicane on many track maps, but in this video for instance you can clearly see the chicane is there
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And also until 1985 there was a wobbly bit after the Variante Alta chicane which doesn't show up on a lot of track maps, but in 1986 they straightened it out.
Love the tireless effort put into this one @SouthPawRacer - also; as an Australian with a deep love for Montreal, I fully recommend just going there and walking the track during a non race weekend. Poutine is everything you think it is and more.
This video deserves many more views
Fun fact: The Brabham car wasn't banned. It was voluntarily withdrawn after its first race by team principal Bernie Ecclestone.
Final chicane at Barcelona is extremely fun imo.
I've been to Reims this year and visited the circuit. Didn't get to visit the small museum, but the grandstands are still picturesque!
Fantastic video, I absolutely love your content. Keep it up!
This is amazing
Damn I love Monaco. Crazy the gap in opinions on it. You either love it or hate it. I'll defend it every day, but it's cool the effort and time you put in for real, so I'm not bout to hassle you. Great video.
Its strange hearing an Australian talking about my local track Mosport.. I always wondered how F1 Fans felt about the track. I never would have guessed it would rank that highly. I hope you do end up making it to the Canadian Grand Prix at some point, I went last year and it was an incredible weekend.
Now do a second gear hairpin tier list.
38:34 they have gotten rid of the double hairpin for a right left chicane basically. That part flows so much nicer now
I couldn't believe you would be crazy enough to tackle such a huge project but good god, what a project it is!
Great as always, lovely to note that it kept getting funnier looking at the list of tracks coming up get absolutely obliterated by the sheer volume of Monaco layouts, for some reason it absolutely sent me, peak comedy right there.
Great to have another video from you man
I have many thoughts about this list, some positive some negative but my overwhelmingly positive take, I’m glad Sebring was ranked so high… being from FL, I’ve been to Sebring for endurance racing (ALMS, IMSA, WEC) and it’s one of my favorite tracks ever… glad you seemed to agree and love to see it has a history in F1 too
What a monumental effort for a video! That was great :)
The goat is back. Thank the lord!
106 minutes of SouthPaw content? Lessssgoooooo
Monaco may not be suitable for F1, but it makes for a fantastic Formula E track.
I wouldn't be opposed to the Monaco GP eventually being moved off the F1 calendar to the FE calendar as their crown jewel. That way we still get racing at Monaco and we can use that spot in the F1 calendar for something else (Kyalami, Fuji, Brno, or the Kymiring anyone?)
this is the first video of yours i’ve seen. watched the whole thing in one sitting. excited for the upcoming track history vids! gotta watch your others in the meantime
When you said every track, you MEANT IT. Fantastic video!
I'm not used to watching tier lists and agreeing with them so much, great takes all around. Especially loved the shout outs to Clermont, Montjuich, old Zandvoort and Mont-Tremblant, superb, underrated tracks that are awesome to drive in sims. Supertouring cars in Race 07 around Clermont is still some of the most enthralling racing I've ever done.
But it's a tier list, so I have to disagree on something - Jarama in an F1 car is an easy F, especially IRL where it was always caked in dust and Suzuka has absolutely nothing on Spa.
Just came here to see where you put my home track and was not disappointed
I live in the town where mosport is located and it’s honestly weird to think that some random town in Canada with a population of 50000 hosted such big events.
As someone who can recognise literally every f1 circuit by their track map (autism) this video is *made* for me
I found this randomly as a suggested. Next thing I know, I watched the entire video. So awesome.
Bravo. Subbed.
video idea: paul ricard tier list, all layouts not just F1
the boss has returned.
greetings from argentina man , me and my friends from my simraicing team we love your videos!
I can wait for the Silverstone and Sebring track history videos. I love all the series on this channel but the track history vids are my favorite
as someone who lives very near to brands hatch I'm glad it's in A tier lmao it's definitely a very good track, despite it being super super simple
Massive respect for all the effort and research that went into this video.
Bless you for this...super interesting and super dedicated,we can disagree but the effort that's put in is crazy
Justice for Jarama! Loved the track on race driver grid.
The Almost-Oval was an S+ layout
This was insane, and then I realized it was every single layout too. So every time a track gets slightly updated it’s added to the list 😂
spa with masta kink is the best... ultra speed, ultra danger.
happy for you to have landed a sponsorship-deal!!
If you ever have the opportunity to attend a race at mosport, take it! It's a great venue. Aside from the starting line it's completely open seating so you can pick up and move to different parts of the track any time you want, the people are great, and best of all, FREE PADDOCK ACCESSES! The VARAC armature historical racing event they do every year is particularly great!
Man, that was awesome. It took me several days to watch it.
You should do this again but make it for all of the Australian race tracks in general (Adelaide, Bathurst, Gold Coast, etc)
Indeed
do a north america road course/street circuit tier list! i'd like to see how you'd rank laguna seca, watkins glen, and elkhart lake above each other.
18:23 every f1 fan/racing fan out there when this "track" is mentioned 🙃
LVGP23: I'm the real deal, racing community 😌
i made a tierlist only for the current and a few older tracks i can actually remember... (all only with the latest layout)
S: COTA - Nürburgring (nordschleife) - Sepang - Spa - Suzuka
A: Hockenheim - Interlagos - Silverstone - Spielberg - Portimao
B: Albert park - Catalunya - Imola - Montreal - Mugello - Shanghai
C: Hungaroring - Istanbul - Nürburgring (südschleife) - Paul Ricard - Singapore - Zandvoort
D: Bahrain - Las Vegas - Mexico city - Monza - Yas Marina
F: Baku - Jeddah - Miami - Monaco - Sochi
Great Video😁!
Imola, agree that it's fantastic but the '95 - '06 versions go down a tier, the current version is far better IMO as you have the flat out blast from Rivazza to Tamburello without the chicane prior to the pits, the entry to Tamburello being made wider and the corner it's self tighter would promote more passing and make it even better!
Took over an hour to realize that it was the perfect list because you put Nürburgring in S tier
The only thing I can give Monaco from a racing standpoint is that for some reason it works really damn well with Formula E. The race there this year was one of the better ones of the season, in what was a damn good season
@@scullystie4389They started running the full layout (albeit initially with a modified Nouvelle chicane) in 2021, and it was a cracker of a race (still up on their UA-cam channel by the way!). They were 3 wide up the hill on the opening lap and overtakes all over the track.
As someone who lives 15 minutes from mosport, I think its a very underrated track that doesn't get talked about anywhere near enough.
Such dedication! What an awesome watch!
Awesome video, but what's the audio at approx 44min doing? An audio track like you're expecting someone to mess up?
Love this kind of content. Nobody I know would watch it but they don't know what they are missing.
I sort of agree with pretty much all of your rankings.
As huge Indycar fan I have to protest the Indy Oval ranking though. I do understand that based on F1 criteria it can't be higher but experiencing the Indy500 live is just beyond words for me.
Keep the videos coming, I'll most likely click on them as soon as they show up :)
I'm in love with you for this
Can't wait to watch!
I'm going to watch one video before I do my homework. This is the video...
This is the first one of your videos that came into my inbox from you in the past 3 years. I figured the SSTG guy just had a hiatus, but I look at your channel and youve uploaded so many in the meanwhile! If you have anyone who manages your channel, or a guy that know about that kind of stuff, maybe it's good to have a talk with them. I love the video btw, and im watching all your videos back, but there might be people that are subscribed who didnt even get this video of yours in their feed.
Südspeed gloves for a southpaw racer. Fitting.
Anyone else think Buenos Aires looks kinda sus?
I guess, but then there's the original Interlagos layout that looks like it has a stomach, so eh
Adelaide and Malaysia are the ones I miss most.
This is insane. I love it
Tbh Las Vegas seems good. The circuit itself works for racing as intended. I think the turn after the strip shouldn't be squiggly to promote even better racing but other than that it completely smashed my expectations.
My final ranking: tiermaker.com/list/formula-1/every-f1-track-ever-16397293/3494996
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was good but i think you missed buddh international circuit
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