Did Genshin Impact Make a HUGE Mistake?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- This 4.4 Situation is Crazy...
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4.4 DRAMA RECAP (0:00)
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NAHIDA / XIANYUN / GAMING / DILUC / BLACK SWAN (HSR) GUIDES SOON. STAY TUNED.
Something slightly unrelated that I wanted to mention is how I've been vocal about not liking how every time there is HSR or Genshin discourse, any new content in either game, "Genshin vs HSR" discussions popping up everywhere and I always see a few people bash the other game or compare the gameplay of both, and while I get the intention behind it, I do think that:
Good Rewards & Treatment, QoL and New Content should come to BOTH games, and not just one. It is clear HSR gets treated much better.
Both games have WILDLY different gameplay, and it is okay to enjoy either more than the other. One thing I personally dislike is when people say things such as "how can someone enjoy Genshin more than HSR" or vice-versa if they genuinely just enjoy the combat or story or anything else more. Enjoying one or both games is OKAY, and IMO Genshin & HSR players should be on the same side, asking for changes & good updates, as they are both games from the same company. Players of one game should not just be bashing the other player base, or needlessly sh*ting on the game and fighting, in my opinion.
But there is NO DENYING that HSR gets treated better , and Genshin should get better rewards.
Still though, let people enjoy whichever game they want to enjoy, as the gameplay is wildly different, and there are reasons to love both. You all know how much I enjoy playing Xiao lmao
And I genuinely really love playing Genshin, and have been enjoying Star Rail a LOT recently as well.
I just think HSR & Genshin players should be friends, lovers, and not enemies. We are all on the same side.
DILUC GUIDE REAL?
Kiss, not fight.
Bro will post literally anything but the diluc guide 😭
you misspelled shitting, theres 2 t's
this is healthy for the genshin community if we want to see gradual change, thank you mr socks
You know GENSHIN messed up when ZYOX has to address an issue💀
Not just Zyox but also IWTL and even Tuonto as well
Why you gotta discount Tectone and Gacha Smack contribution to this? And they don't even play the game 😅
@@sejama6625 that wasn't my point
@@sejama6625 Because both of them have been very critical about the game from the get-go. So, them criticizing the game is just another Tuesday.
@sejama6625 bro we could get 300 pulls and tectone would still complain bffr 💀
I'm Chinese my English is bad.
The line“Three wishes” was spoken every year, but the gamers broke out this year. Many said it was because of the free five-star doctor, however, that wasn't the case. It wasn't enough for the gamers to explode with anger. The real culprit was the Genshin development team, who never listened to the gamers' opinions, but another game's development team listens to the player opinion repeatedly and often gives the player many unexpected surprises. Three years had passed, But Genshin system optimization aspect is suck. Various factors had caused the players' anger to explode with the live stream this year, we really just want to have a better experience in the game...
的确是这样，奖励少仅仅是一部分原因，真正让玩家暴怒的是原神多年来的敷衍与不作为，种种情绪日积月累后对比起HSR之后彻底爆发了，HSR的开发组吸取了来自原神玩家们的意见经过改善后并在游戏里实施，而原神同为一款主角色养成的游戏，但圣遗物神器系统我真的不知道该说什么了，只能说真他妈糟透了，就比如我，为了自己心爱的某位角色，在一个圣遗物副本里打了近5000次了，而且几乎每一次都是浓缩树脂，只为了一个元素杯子，最后还是没结果，作为一个超过1000天的玩家，我好几次都萌生了卸载原神的念头，真的，我的心好累，好累，我不知道我还能坚持多久...
还有的话就是HSR的直播节目真的比原神要好太多，无论是内容环节还是开发组成员之间相互交流的氛围，在这一方面，原神输得一塌糊涂，我无意攀比，只是原神你真的太不争气，恨铁不成钢，我爱这个游戏我才会说这些话，最后，希望原神越来越好吧
确实，没有对比就没有伤害。如果没闻过香水，真不知道屎是臭的。隔壁崩铁的一顿操作直接把原神玩家整破防了。崩铁白送真理医生+免费20连抽，而原神这里送3抽还要分邮件发送，是个正常人都会破防吧？竟然还有玩家拿《每年都这样》《原神和崩铁的类型不同》来洗，别人告诉他们别吃屎，他们自己还吃出香味来了。
Exactly
imo It's because hsr's release gives genshin a game to be compared for they are both games from the same company, and they have different dev teams. Ig hsr has the better and more generous treatment in merely 8 months while genshin players are getting the harsher treatment as it's seemed as a cash cow or something like that.
Mainly the thing that outraged the CN community could be because for the whole support for the game for OVER 3 YEARS AND SOME MONTHS, they get MERELY 3 PULLS. even in the paimon's bargains we can get 5 already...
Thank you for trying speak English, you're really smart. Most of the things you said made sense & I agree with you wholeheartedly
Genshin did actually respond to Chinese players that were unfollowing and covering the controversies, by taking videos down or outright silencing creators who were negative towards the anniversary rewards. Even condemning the players for badmouthing the game. You can see it for yourself on bilibili or douyin...
the hoyoverse website also removed posts saying anything even slightly negative about the 1st anniv.. or heck, even NEUTRAL.
Damn, bad moves from them
they will suffer for that, surely
@@2D_is_all_I_need let's just hope Wuthering Waves can wake them up
You forgot to mention how they're buying both accounts to make an illusion... for themselves I guess
I honestly think genshin is now a social experiment to see how much they can get away with until they operate at a loss. It makes no sense at all as to why the same company treats two different games differently
league ie riot games is worse
Simple both Genshin and Star Rail are owned by the same company (Hoyoverse) but they are not operated by the same person
Genshin costs more to make and run they give less and are probably the same in terms of revenue
@@doomslayer8025bro wtf, the amount of money they are making is just too big to even care about that shit, they can easily make 10 more Genshin and run them while making the profits.
@@Lucky_OctoNugget Wrong, thats a lie and makes no sense from a business standpoint. Star Rail has better PR management because it has competitors, huge ones in the gacha sphere, so they need to meet their players particular demands to make them stay and not switch games.
Genshin on the other hand stands alone atop its gacha genre, its biggest competitor is the massive flop of Tower of Fantasy, so they have a full credit to instrumentalize its players. They know their opi*um is the "best" and unchallenged so they can just jiggle it in front of their consumers, slap them left and right and the consumers would still beg for more pulls for it.
Its sickening, thats why I left the game and each time I check on how the game is doing I know I wont be back, but things wont change if a big number of people dont do the same.
Who wants to bet they don't change anything.
Me, because it has been a week since the riot in China and there is no response from them 😂
Me
I believe in the CN crowds, if they didn't change anything for the CN players, its really joever 😭
nah they might make it 10 wishes instead of 3 🥺
its happen at 1st anniv already, and that's same drama but not change, people need to know genshin community isn't mean all genshin players, basicially not all genshin players is joining genshin community, this drama isn't gonna affect anything because most players not even care they just playing game no matter what, just gonna tell social media isn't real for most people
Pretty sure people would act normal if they just said 10 fates
BUT then they decide to drop the "Big prize" 3 F**KING fates it's not worth logging in for💀
So true, this is just strait up spitting to the face and I see no excuse for people defending it lol
Oh I agree 100%, the reward is so small, that it’s basically not even a reward for the amount of time we’ve put into the game, that 90% of us wouldn’t even have bat an eye if it didn’t happen, which is bad, you Genshin players deserve better
It's really an anti-reward. It's deliberately acknowledging that they're giving us less than they should. They're actively going out of their way to insult the genshin fanbase.
If they didn't mention it at all and just sent us the fates on the day, there wouldn't have been a quarter of the problem they're facing right now.
@@crazykim
It's wild bc it insensitives me to delete the game and if i wasnt going for furina i honestly would just delete it right now.
I feel like hoyoverse did not get enough trauma from 1st anniversary and now since its resolved they became careless, and then now this happened.
History repeats itself
the irony
The co-op thing is so true, I just wish Genshin would add more co-op endgame contents like Raids which would be so fun, since nobody even does co-op these days...
Yeah you only do co-op when your bored.
Its just for domains or otherwise its just doing your dailies and logging off.
@@Shogun507 The fact that you can do all that solo is like very boring, we need actual contents that requires multiple people to play. Like abyss but for 4 or 8 people, it's a stretch but it would be so much more fun & you get to showcase that one character you build so well.
@@Shogun507not even that, you can do domains faster by yourself
@@Shogun507Even solo is faster than coop
I think the main issue people have is the fact HSR has been out LESS than Genshin and yet they treat HSR as if thats the game thats been out the longest. Its a literal slap in the face of "Thank you for supporting Genshin for so many years here's the smallest reward you could ever get" rather than them improving the rewards for the players who've been playing the game for so many years.
Yeah and a lot of people don't seem to get this. They'll just get mad that we are complaining but it really feels unfair. Of course it's great hsr is treated good, but then we should be too? Because us genshin fans have been sticking to it for so long now, and that game is not even a year old and gets SIGNIFICANTLY better treatment. Just not fair.
@@rowdeorolan5315just to let you guys know hsr and genshin are in diffferent development groups, the person who control the genshin group- is very stingy on the other hand the head of hsr is much nicer, he saved honkai impact and hes the reason hsr gets alot
again people keep saying these the people behind the two games are different
@@harveersingh-ev4vf Yep, but it’s still the same company. They’re all Mihoyo games and it’s fair to argue, that Genshin is treated far too differently. : /
I hope this backlash leads to permanent changes in the company’s policy. Future-wise, I’m not looking forward to keep playing a game that let’s so many QOL chances to just accumulate over time, and is weirdly stingy with special rewards. Those problems just get even more underlined when people can see and hear how other teams within the same company handle their game and treat their player base. : /
(I’m not saying I’ll just stop playing Genshin for boycotting reasons. But it means that I still wouldn’t use a lot money to play this game. I sometimes buy a Welkin and that’s it. It’s great that even F2P’s have a so much fun playing this game, but somehow the stingyness translates to me as lack of passion. It feels like the team sometimes does just the bare minimum to avoid serious backlash from the paying players. I’ve played a different game with quite similar problems before and felt the same way and eventually quit playing.)
Veteran player rewards, for those who play 3 years consecutively or 1300 hours or so. They have database release every year during anniversary, they should reward the most loyal players. It’s easy, and i bet you star rail will do such thing
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"The drop in the ocean that made the ocean spill the camels that broke the camel's back, the weight that broke"
- Zy0x, 2024
A glaze to my donut, if you will
Same energy as the Emperor’s New Groove quote “The poison. The poison for Kuzco, the poison chosen especially to kill Kuzco, Kuzco's poison.”😂
xD
"Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone for any reason ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been... ever, for any reason whatsoever..."
Truly, a quote of all-time.
Unironically, Its great to see that CC as respectable as you in the genshin community are talking about this issue
Apparently the main guy behind this is the person incharge of genshin rn Mr. Cai Haoyu and he used to be on the HI3 team back when they used to get bad rewards, when genshin came out they switched him over to genshin's team and HI3 started getting good rewards bcs they put Mr. David in charge of it and he's also incharge of HSR team.
He's one of the co-founders of Mihoyo.
Edit: put Cai's full name, added more info and fixed a typo
get him out of the genshin development team rn😟😟
Onscreen zy0x not acting like a lunatic took me out.
Thanks for making the video. Long time genshin players deserve so much more than they’re giving us in the 4.4 stream
He acts like a clown for views, that's what most content creators do🗿
@@alatus_knightlol ..he is still getting good views without acting like that on yt ...
@@manojgore4978 you're not getting it. In youtube he can still get views without acting like a clown because each video is just 10 min long, it's much easier to retain viewers here by just providing necessary info about characters. But in twitch when he has to retain viewers for 5 hours, acting like a clown is the only way for him to provide entertainment🗿
@@alatus_knightnah I don't know any other cc who do that,this guy is just built different,he is not normal 💀
"Long time genshin players deserve so much more" - give me a non-selfish reason 'Why' ?
Zyox never fails to deliver, in spite of him being unable to birth out a baby.
He can on the toilet
wait 8 more months 😈
Is he praget? Who the father?
There’s a first for everything. :innocent:
@@rednave4489 Xiao.
Zy0x’s take on this is the best one I’ve seen yet. Constructive criticism and making it clear what disappointed players are looking for without telling anyone how to feel or invalidating anyone’s thoughts/feelings. Truly a streamer of all time.
I've been playing Twisted Wonderland lately. A Gotcha game. Were they've given away 30 free pulls for logging in during their new year's event. And another 10 pulls for a character's birthday that happened during it. Compared to games like that. 3 free pulls is insulting to the entire player base.
Gacha not gotcha
gacha comes from the sound capsule toy vending machines (extremely prevalent in Japan) make: gashapon/gachapon
David Jiang is leading Star Rail. As you can see, Star Rail is doing VERY WELL.
However, the man that almost destroyed Honkai Impact-3rd, whom is now leading Genshin Impact (this person is called "Cai Haoyu") is the reason for the sad state genshin is in right now.
Up you go
@@joshbrosh6626 ?
More attention to this please. That man needs to be VIOLENTLY ousted from the company, for the betterment of both the company and the games they're producing, and consequently the state of the fanbase of their games.
@@crazykimToo bad he has more part of the company than Da Wei, sooo
@@crazykimwell, too bad that this guy is one of the Hoyo CEOs, so it's not going to be that simple
I'm literally loving that genshin as community coming together and trying to show our discontent for game when love from us to game is not being reciprocated by game company.
Sadly out there still many delusional lunatics that are attacking content creators for speaking up🥺 I’m glad that Zyox spoken on the matter, it really means a lot
Now we need em to come together to get a skip dialogue button
@@daizenmarcurio Might be the least needed feature but well, one day maybe? For the 2% who play a story game without the story 😭😭😂
@@ziodyne7774 Wait for the delusional lunatics do you mean the people that attack others for having fun or the multibillion company defender?
If hoyoverse keeps this up, and wurthering waves has a great cbt2, Genshin is going to have some problems. And I can’t wait, they need some competition to step it up or take away from their profits
i respect u speaking up on the matter, especially bc it could ruin ur reputation with hoyo. u have a big platform and ur words mean a lot
_"The drop in the ocean that made the ocean spill. The camels that broke the camels back. The weight that broke"_
*-Zajeff's bf*
Not only should the QoL features have been part of the game day one but they're adding them at a snails pace.
Would like to remind everyone that after playing the game for hundreds of hours, finally hitting AR60 you get 150 primos.
Ok what hiting max trailblaze give you....
@@ziebus904hitting max trailblaze doesn't take years
@@ziebus904nahhh maxing trailblazer takes like 1/10th the time to Adventure Ranks you can't even compare those. You can literally tell a day 1 Genshin player from someone who joined after 3.2 by 3 ranks lmao
And half of the QoL functions are incomplete
The artifact lock is only 2 configs so you can't set it for sets that have multiple configs (eosf yelan vs raiden vs xianyling for example)
The new artifact selector (the one they dare call loadouts) is only 1 single config per character what even is the point you can't switch between two sets back and forth it's so useless
@@ziebus904 only took me a month or less to get to ar 70 in star rail, meanwhile in genshin i've been playing non stop for over a year and i'm still stuck in ar 56 💀
The issue with the treatment discrepancy between StarRail and Genshin is they have two different game directors and HI3 got the same treatment Genshin is getting now when the current Genshin director was the director of HI3 and as soon as he was moved off of HI3 they started getting stuff like free 5 stars, QoL changes, actual player communication out the wazoo and more. Me thinks that maybe the Genshin director needs a good firing.
Apparently he’s a big shareholder so it might be a lot harder yk do that. bUT there’s a chance that they might shift him out to a new game, praying they make him in charge of zzz and bring in a new and better director for genshin
@@adir6094why are you sending him to zzz, maybe genshin players deserved this shitty treatment after all😐
@@pixelrose_ i dont *actually* mean to zzz, I was just joking there calm down 😭😭😭 but I’m just saying there’s no way to actually get rid of him, we can only shift him to another project
@@adir6094 Maybe tears of Themis since its basically dead anyways
@@SombreroGato
I don’t think tot can have less rewards I’m ngl
Since the streamers do not make any statement about this issue, Genshin continues to do what they want. Thank you for making our voices heard. I have already done what I could to protest. I hope everyone who watches this video does the same. ❤
lol i love zy0x but like every content creator has been clickbaiting this drama to hell, trying to position this issue like it’s being censored is dumb as hell
@@aperfectlynormalinternetus6715ok
I think you're not understanding, the company disregards us global players there has been multiple times when we've complained about something or review bombed genshin to get their attention on a matter and it just doesn't work for us. They ONLY listen cn players, if they don't listen this time to their cn player base then there's no helping us. We need to speak with our wallets and just don't pull on banners, but we can never be organized enough to do that.
@@flayawag4334its gotten so bad that they even silenced the cn players on bilibili😭
I viewed hsr as something they learned from with the "mistakes" they made with genshin. like you mentioned, there were a lot of QOL implements hsr got day one, but took genshin years to get. great, fine, but you'd hope genshin can NOW learn from how well hsr is doing, how well and happy the community is. as some one who is burned out by both games, i only go back to hsr because of the rewards, i admit. but still that's incentive enough to maybe even get me (and other burnt out players) playing again.
i loved genshin a lot (hello xiao pfp) but it's just not giving the love back like you said. i can enjoy the story and the characters if it was a self contained game. but because this is a live rpg where new content is dropped, you expect something in return for playing besides the """""standard""""" rewards. i hope the active community gets more than wings, three fates, and a coupla resin as compensation
You speak so calmly and eloquently. I look forward to watching your stream which is definitely as calm and relaxing!
Clueless
@@adityanovarta😭😭😭🙏🏾
Aware
SURELY
RUN
the resin cap hunts me everyday 💀
I just let it cap, I log in once a day, burn the resin, get primos, log out. If it caps at 160 while I’m sleeping oh well, this fomo design is unhealthy and deceptively predatory
@@Saberdudyeah great way of putting it! I quit the game literally out of the blue when one day I was thinking oh better login to resin dump and my monkey brain just had a conniption and went “nah” I felt like a pigeon in a Skinner box and dipped and never looked back so many amazing games out there sorry Genshin you’re beautiful but you’re vapid af
@@SaberdudAgain, i just want it to be like HsR lol. It’s capped at 240, and can still recover resin with a slower rate and put it on reserve, then you could take the reserve resin whenever you want it. Don’t even need to login twice smh.
I just let that shit cap, the limit is too low so it's too much of a pain to log in when you are out or simply when yo don't want to play to then manually play some repetitive domains. The cap in these games should be 24h+
Dr. Ratio is The Hunt
Good take, it's nice that you would platform the drama towards a bigger audience.
As a CN player myself, I'm quite pessimistic about Hoyo actually doing anything to change the reward. It's the classical no response strategy in PR. My only hope is that maybe the QoL changes will pick up the slack, but I have my doubts about that since they've got global illumination only in 4.0, and that really should be a day 1 thing.
Bro how are you using YT you would get arrested by the President and put in prison
Love that he posted this. I was thinking about all this but since I grew up in an environment that made me be happy even if I got the bare minimum, I didn't know if I was overreacting or not. I feel reassured now. Complaining isn't always a bad thing.
Good take, when a creator THIS tall talks about it surely they will finally hear
expect less, get disappointed even lesser
@@MadaraUchiha18190that "expect less" is why they get away with it, y'know?
@@ayyjay1575 yep.
Our community is trying its level best to make them realize the mistake they made. Highly unlikely they'll do anything about it.
*LAMENT*
@@ayyjay1575 TBH, I expect they won't do anything. But hey, if they bait us with free 5*, I'll reinstall. I still want artifact and resin QoL tho.
About the expedition part in genshin, maybe I'm tripping but I kinda remember sending out characters on expedition and i couldn't use them in my team..... I kinda remember something like this... that was around 2020 i think
i remember that too and i’ve got a insane bad habit ever since of dispatching the characters i don’t play instead of the ones that give you extra stuff from their passives bc my stupid brain still thinks i won’t be able to use them if they go on expedition 💀
@@minflake guess we're of the same breed lol I do the same 🤣
That was how it was until they changed it.
I hope we get more of these discussion videos in the future this was good
Well I know zyox made a mistake not giving us a video of him doing the thug shaker
How do you know i was searching that, i still don't know what it is
first carter and now zy0x yall are crazy 💀
Sanest zyox viewer
The 0 in zyox stands for 0iled up
In an alternate reality zy0x got oiled up that day and dawei gave every player a limited free 5 star selector
Props to Zyox for not being afraid to address the situation. I know bigger UA-camrs could be afraid of addressing the development as it could mean bad PR with the Genshin team and future sponsors. I’m glad your addressing the situation and not being afraid to speak out.
He is lireally the last youtuber who didn't post a video about this.... there is nothing brave- he was late, almost too late.
He's just hopping on the trend now💀 remember his tweet worded like he's a fencesitter (I don't take any side bla bla bla I'm neutral)
@dxrling9428, but he has been vocal about problems with Genshin for so long, expecting him to talk about the same thing over and over again would just exhausting
@@rerein_fmv i think we should still be glad he even made a video and not just do it on twitch
@@danieliacomi5411this attitude is the embodiment of « damned if you do damned if you don’t »
This is definitely one of the best take on the situation taking place not just "oh genshin could never" it just spawns the worst out of people, I think we should respect and honestly support the community and not just shit on the genshin community and game as a whole(i know ironic) cause at the end of the the day we just want to get treated better after 3 years of disappointment from hoyoverse.
Thanks for this video Mr socks you're the best!
It’s such a shame to see these issues consistently popping up and remaining unaddressed, because Genshin is genuinely such a great game that’s being dragged down by the same people who created it. I understand that there will always be a group that is resistant to a game no matter what, but it’s different when your audience has been pleading with you for YEARS to make basic changes, and received silence in return. I’m just hoping we’ll see some of the requested changes being implemented over the next patches.
It's been a wild ride, and the censorship on Reddit on this has lead to even less discussion about this. I'm glad content creators are releasing these sorts of videos since it actually provides an accessible environment where people can talk about it. I'm in total agreement. As someone who's played 3 different gacha games, including Genshin and Star Rail, and speaking as a person who's looked into a lot of different gacha, I feel we should be rewarded more. It obviously doesn't have to do with revenue anymore, and it doesn't have to do with Hoyo's newer gacha model at Genshin's release. It's most likely to do with the producer being notorious for not having in-game rewards or freebies, and we need to talk about it, both here and in our feedback for surveys.
@@isopick So on the main subreddit for Genshin, the mods are deleting basically any thread that has to do with this unless the post seems to take Hoyo's side. They also have it set to auto-collapse comments that don't take Hoyo's side, have been messing with the voting system for newer comments, and have also just deleted a lot of comments that didn't break rules. If you go on there, you'll see no mention of the controversy apart from a few well made comments here or there and a post from about a week ago where the person at first said it was the product of bots (but later conceded that it was impossible). It's a total "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" situation over there.
@@persephonehades7547holy that’s a new level of dick riding, are they being paid by hoyo or what?
Just imagine if Genshin actually reached the potential it deserved. Tons of QoL, characters not taking ages to build, actual content to indulge in with our characters that isn't timed dps checks, more reasons to raise a character's friendship level, an actual indication for the invincibility frames you have at the beginning of a sprint, so much more!
Traveller being actually balanced in all elements
I did use anemo trav as a dps for a long time during my early days.@@bloody4558
@@bloody4558 I actually liked using anemo traveller for a bit during my early days.
A new dodge and/or parry button, i personally in my humble opinion find that i honestly think using i frames to dodge suck
The last point is so moot. Most other games with significant invincibility frame mechanics has little to no tell about them except "it kinda feels like dodging would work atm". Please don't mix legitimate game design criticism with your personal preferences.
I appreciate you making this video and I appreciate all content creators pushing for genshin to try to achieve its potential. I hardly even play anymore because I got so tired of how the devs treated the player base and how the player base just embraced the abuse. I'm glad more people are starting to speak out about it because it's unacceptable
Thank you for sharing your take, it is indeed quite the topic these days. I have only been playing 4.1 and have been enjoying the game very much so far, and don’t particularly mind the « treatment » for now, but I am indeed concerned by the fact that it seems that things have not changed much throughout the years. This makes me really sad, as the game still has years ahead of it, and if the development team has not invested in constructive collaboration with the massive player pool since then, I am afraid that they will not in the future. In turn, though these first 3 patches of version 4 have been really super enjoyable, but I have already been getting bored of the 4.3 filler patch, scraping for stuff to do… what is going to happen if things go on? I don’t want to drop the game, but I certainly will if I start to get bored, and I don’t want this because the game has so much potential!!
If Da Wei had not said about the 3 wishes, the Chinese community would not be burning them alive
Nah, genshin stans still being toxic across CN Internet. It's just the other perspective being translated more.
Nah
@@LavaGolem65Nothing to do with translation. I understand mandarin and it just pure poor PR the way the announcement was delivered.
If you know the rewards is going to be a joke/pitiful in the eye of the players, then don't go out of your way make a bit deal out of it, and specifically naming it being gift for "the love and support from the players".
Imagine someone at a company end of year event and he had orginially had zero expectation for a promotion in the first place, but get called up to the stage in front of everyone, with all the build-up and the announcement of all his achievements and how much the company appreciate and value him, and then only to announcing they are gifting him 2.8% off discount coupons to spend toward a single company's products instead of a promotion which him and everyone the audiences were expecting. While people would recognise and acknowledge his hardwork, at the same time they themselves would also question is it really worth it to work hard for this company, or may be there are other businesses out their would would value them more.
It would be even better if he then appear on HSR stream and said "I am Nicolas Wei and I bring you 7 more free warps".
Nah there will still be outrage due to the shitty QoL bait stuff and HSR getting like 5 times the rewards Genshin got
I think the anniversary drama is just the straw that broke the camels back with issues people have been having with genshin, when comparing to HSR. Yes, we got the expedition redeploy feature, fine. It's good. We appreciate it. But where is the resin cap increase? Wheres the resin overcap? Where's artifact QOL? Where are the 10 pulls each patch? Where is the continued introduction of new evergreen game modes? HSR feels like a game seeing continuous improvements, and now that we know MHY can do that for their game, it tells players that they should treat genshin as if it is on life support.
Resin overcap?
@@sanguinemluna4337 Star Rail has this system that's basically if your resin is capped, it will go into like reserved resin that is (to my knowledge) unlimited and can be used later when you log in. So you can just not log in to Star Rail for few days and actually have few hundreds energy to use at once while Genshin just gets capped at 160
@@sanguinemluna4337 I think there's referring to the system that in Star Rail is referred to as Reserved Trailblaze Power. It's essentially when your resin reaches resin cap (in Genshin 160/160), resin would start accumulating at a slower rate in a resin reserve, which can then be converted to regular resin at a 1:1 ratio.
Your take is basically what mine is all about too, i was waiting for your video about this and it finally came. 100% agree with what you said.
i stopped playing genshin a few months ago. one of the biggest reasons were the unvoiced long ahh world quests which felt more like a task than a fun storyline game. Like i dont believe they can’t afford voice actors even just in english (i’m not english myself)
The douyin situation is wild rn, genshin is having bot accounts following them to slow down the lost of followers as well as punishing those who make videos about the whole 3 intertwined fates thing, all partnered creators for genshin on douyin are forbidden to mention about it as well or they will be blacklisted. The community also made a meme saying genshin still believes they've done nothing wrong rn and waiting for the community to apologize to them
Honestly I can't seem to understand the obvious big difference in treatment between star rail and genshin, they're both their games and genshin has been making them lots of money for way longer so if anything genshin should be getting more rewards than star rail not saying that star rail doesn't deserve nice rewards, just emphasizing the biased treatment
Never been more proud of being f2p, f*ck those billioners (Wei and specially Cai)
That's crazy, i had no idea its going on like this, is there a channel here on youtube covering this situation?
I've heard it's MCN companies that block them from mentioning it, MCN is pretty much company (they signed contract) that spend money to grow a channel while eating percentage of their Income. Mentioning the issue might lead to the channel losing followers, switching content etc. But Hoyoverse/Mihoyo in china indeed starting to prevent these video being massively promoted to other non followers via the app.
@@user-hh7yt3cb5fnah, at least I don’t know any channels, I just personally use douyin so I’m watching everything go down on the app
@@Tanubtanuyeah idk the details I just know all the complaints the community is having on douyin
Glad you're voicing your opinion on this so we can hopefully get some actual change!
I think the difference is in their wording.
In Last year, she said (paraphrase): “As a thank you, we are giving you three *more* fates.”
This year, they said: “As thanks for your patronage, we are giving players three fates.”
The addition of the word *more* is like they’re saying that those three fates are on top of everything during Lantern Rite. This year, the wording gives the impression of the players are only worth those 3 pulls. Hence, this situation.
I'm a dolphin spender and it is rather insulting for them to send 3 fates. It would've been much better if they didn't mention it at all. I guess I won't be spending anytime soon. As much as I love the characters and the game I don't want to be treated like trash anymore.
Yk it’s a serious matter when zyox stops joking around
They need to actually review the surveys they keep sending us...
Thank you for uploading this, I've been wanting to hear the perspective of content creators as well, even though I know that you all are in a tough position because of the nature of your work. I agree that the whole thing is nuanced and I think that many people have mixed feelings. On the hand, I also love the game, I'm excited for the new content and I personally don't give much thought to the specifics of the rewards (even though I do enjoy them, of course), but on the other hand, I do think some things about the game can be improved and I also see where the complaints in regards to the current situation are coming from. I even find it uplifting that people are vocal about it and take initiative fighting for what they want. I hope it does help us bring change.
it’s actually sad, that not only genshin gives you less rewards, devs also take it away literally next update. i may be wrong, but i actually remember many times when we get basic +-70 pull in update, then, for example, anniversary happens and we get +-90 pulls and then POOF all of that “free” stuff just disappears, because next patch you’ll get not 70 pulls, but 50.. and literally 4.3 was a patch with the smallest amount of rewards.. like f2p get barely 50 pulls. that’s not even enough for 1 five star…. all of that just only to give “3 pulls” next patch.
wow, hoyo, yall are SO “generous” with DIGITAL rewards
good job for covering this. something I've always respected about you, zy0x, is how, despite being the "funny meme guy," you know when/how to be serious. you try to understand all sides of an argument, and generally are just a good guy. keep going, zy0x!
He is like luffy from one piece
I’m glad how you deliver this without hatered or something instead it’s genuine disappointment and desire for game to treat its players better
thank you for this video!
didn't really know what your take was but expected this, but it's really nice to hear what you have to say, Zyox W. Also I remember you as the advocate for the Raiden situation.
My biggest problem with genshin after all these years (yes im a day 1 player) is that i nearly have all characters insane teams with nearly perfect artifacts but STILL CANT have endgame to play it in.
And no abyss is not endgame…
play star rail then you know what i mean.
star rail getting more endgame content in a few months (that caters to all playstyles) than genshin has gotten in its lifetime
@@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079I wish they got creative for the next endgame, not another running a SU with different objective for 30 times.
@@Tanubtanupure fiction
@@Tanubtanueeh still better than genshin's endgame which is non-existent
@@specter_376 yeah pure fiction is amazing, no rng, satisfying, no crowd control/debuff
The amount of respect they would have gotten if they addressed Raiden/Beidou when people brought it up.
Yeah, plus dehyas issues.
Dehyaa is the biggest issue
@@hanipierce5710it really is cuz how is it that we complained and they didn't do nothing, like we need that listening from them and action.
@@RaidantCharge speak with your wallets. their revenue doesnt change much so they wont change anything
what's respect? is it big money? no? then WE DON'T CARE, that's how HOYO treats feedback XD
Thanks for this vid Zy0x (: I know this is not the type of content you usually do, but I am really thankful that a big ytber such as yourself is taking the time to talk about this stuff because as you said, it matters. It really does :p
More people always talking about the issues is always good. My only gripe with this is calling what's happening as drama, though technically correct, it diminishes and trivializes the issue at hand. Thank you for speaking out.
genshin done messed up w this one😭😭
By this point, 30 pulls wouldn’t be enough. We deserve better treatment, at the very least the same as HSR players get. Hoyoverse is multi-billion dollar company which wouldn’t go bankrupt by finally delivering on the end-game content and decent rewards. None of those issues would be fixed by 30 pulls, that’s nothing compared to the game’s current sorry state.
I think they once said in an interview that there won't be any endgame :/ Like what would you lose if you did that? They said it would make the game stressful... Oh come on then why do y'all keep adding more and more endgame to hsr tho? I mean that's great but that means you could have added that in GI too then why not...
@@rowdeorolan5315They never exactly stated that. They said that they wouldn't make something similar to Spiral Abyss, not endgame in general. They could still make new type of endgame content. And they have two very well slates to work with. Perilous Trail (2.7 event) and Labyrinth Warriors (2.2 event).
The funny thing is that if they said they would give away 30 pulls for the three years of support (10 for every years) then we would praise them cause it would seem really generous 😅
While now that they did that, 30 pulls aren't enough. Now that most players have awoken we go for actual changes.
@@ghoulknight1526 ohh then I really hope they do that and add something similar. Because it feels bad when your characters do huge amount of dmg after months of farming but you don't have anywhere where you can actually use that power.
I would like 1 free Cloud Retainer please.
As usual. Fantastic video. Thank you so much for all the hard work you put i to your content. Very mixed feelings about the game. I went and played Warcher of Realms for a few months. Their Devs LISTENED to the player base, it was an amazing feeling. Problems got fixed, characters got reworked and balanced in positive ways. As a player it felt great and I wanted to support them back. I wish Myhoyo would take care of the game the worked so hard on instead of letting it go unfixed.
another peice of context that my help explain some of the anger is that during the 4.4 beta leaks, some leakers implied that there would be a free skin selector, which would allow f2p to get like an ayaka or keqing skin with lantern rite. now, obviously this is leaks and therefore unrealiable information, and obviously hoyo isnt required to meet expectations ppl have based on unreliable leaks, but i think a lot of players that consume leaks sorta expected it. instead, the skin selector comes with a bundle you unlock from buying a ps5, and obviously no one is buying a ps5 for a genshin skin. i think this def compiled ppls disappointment with the devs and made hoyo look extra bad
Yes. The answer is yes.
I honestly don't really feel strongly for more rewards. I do however feel really strongly about more gameplay related stuff.
Endgame, more combat modes, I heckin love combat events, delete Resin etc etc. Like I personally wouldn't feel all that offended if Hoyo decide one day to never give us free 5*s or free 10 pulls, but only IF they bring about really cool permanent content that can also put our well built characters to the test. Even things that could optionally make C6 limited 5*s show off how they're really heckin strong as opposed to the current paradime where things are generally a little too easy.
Genshin is kinda going in the right direction with Local Legends at least. More of that please!
true.. the boiling point is not just the 3 wishes its how Hoyo said it to the player on the stream. "thank you, for staying with us for 3 years here 3 wishes" and the game is still not fixed. artifact is pain in the ass, they way they implement difficulty on bosses is stupid, here let just add more HP and invulnerability phase, hehe its hard to defeat bosses now. they should improve the battle mechanic, make it more skill oriented fights.
man after watching wuthering waves combat system, with air combo, double jump and parry. i was like if only my beloved genshin can do that too.
@@dogeknight8550 on the bosses part, I feel like they've made some headway towards what we like, namely the Experimental Field Generator. It's in its name: experimental, but you can Plunge with anyone to dodge its Instakill ShockWaves that 2-tap shields even... I like that boss. I like that boss a lot.
More of that Hoyo.
Delete having to wait for a certain day to farm at least if they keep the resin, i understand that it's a gacha game, but as one of the biggest gacha games in the market, they should set an example and show systems that work with the player and not against them
"things that could optionally make C6 limited 5*s show off"
P2W content then? Gross.
@@icarustar2457 I like how you quote me using the word "optionally" and then proceed to make it like you *have* to do it.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough: we already have events that can optionally make C6 5*s show off, it's called events where you can kill an unlimited number of enemies to get an unlimited amount of points. Do you need to do any of that past a certain threshold (ie. The Gold one)? Nope. But if you wanna say get Platinum or 1mil points just coz why not, you can.
Thanks for the video! Totally agree with everything!!!
Great video. You should make more videos of this kind. Appreciate it
We should be more united on trying to get our voices heard, chinese community is not only strong and heard because they are their main market, but also because they are well organized
the three fates and the artifact fast equip bs feels more like theyre mocking their players instead of rewarding/listening to them.
My thoughts were, when that was first said out loud: "... that's it, huh? They keep doing this to themselves!"
I also just completely forgot that we got 3 wishes last year as well. I guess the community has decided that now we are up to here with the stinginess. I did have a theory on why 3 in particular, that with the other 10 wishes, the Lantern Rite Primos, and the Primos from exploring a new area (which we've never gotten during a Lantern Rite patch), the amount of wishes we'll get will round up to a nice even number. That made some amount of sense to me.
But also, I just wanna let it sink in just how weird it is that we get more Wishes from winning the Playstation Partner Award or being nominated/winning an award from the Game Awards (800 Primos = 5 wishes each) than for, of all things, the Lunar New Year, which is HUGE in China?
Honestly Zy0x, Thank you for addressing this issue, its super important that our communities voices get heard. And a Content Creator such as you addressing is very important for amplifying our voices. Mad respect to you.
We don't need change, we need improvement
That is practically a change? An improvement changes things for better
@@kurisu1273change could be worse or better, OP is putting emphasis on the Positive kind of change by saying "improvement"
i just hope genshin will do better but thats a tall ask
The word tall has no place on this channel 😂
Erm they won't, it's been 3 years, if they wanted to make things better they would've done it already in the first anniversary, if not the second. Stop it with the copium and have some self respect for yourselves for once.
@@SnowJesterit is not that serious looool
xiao catching strays 💀💀@@Ari_riri
fr bro think this a english essay💀💀@@haiehs
I am approaching my one-month anniversary playing this game (now AR45). I definitely hope that Hoyoverse can get their act together, because I would love to keep playing it for the long-term.
I will put it in simple terms:
im a new player and I was thinking on buying a welkin and maybe the next battle pass (because it is impossible for me to lvl 50 the current one) but decided to wait until the stream to make my choice, mainly to confirm if nahida was on the 4.4 banners.
instead of doing that I took those $15 USD and put them into azur lane (my gacha game for years) thanks to this mess. sure, it is just $15 but for a company like hoyoverse, those are $15 that didnt go to their pockets. imagine if 100 or 1000 or even more players made the same choice as me.
I really appreciate this video. I play a lot of different games, Genshin being the only gacha one. (Every time Genshin becomes my current game the only thing I look forward to is watching you fr)
This is not what playing a game is supposed to feel like. Every time someone thinks I'm asking for too much or should be so grateful is just one more person to be mad on behalf of.
I just hope that we get some sort of meaningful change for rewards and gameplay after this
I remember when they would give you 300 primos for every new banner, even re-runs, and now I hardly ever see that again, I've noticed that they only give you 300 on a new banner, and no longer on re-runs
we need more vertical zyox!!!!!!
Huge respect to you! You're genuinely an awesome dude
I feel like this is what should be said and how people should be taking it. Thanks for spreading the message
only video about this topic that hasnt made me irritated. i play both hsr and genshin. while genshin doesnt give as many free rewards, hsr also releases twice the number of new characters on average, which i think is a really important point to mention. hsr characters are also a lot more important for meta since that game has so many end game modes that require different kinds of teams. id much rather see genshin receive a new end game mode, thats genuinely what i want more than absolutely anything else. starrail has like 3.5, where as genshin just has abyss and exploration, the latter of which being sort of a one time thing.
however, 3 pulls for cny feels beyond cheap lmao. and im not gonna complain if they give us more to appease the chinese community. but the real fix imo is more content, not more gacha pulls.
I love how zyox talks in 1.5x speed. I’ve had to fast forward some other videos on this topic haha
Really glad you made this video! That’s just about everyone now… hopefully Brax and Sevy will come forward too. I’d like to hear their take beyond twitter and an off hand mention of twitch.
I do wish we got more free pulls, but it is a gacha game so whatever I guess. What really sucks is hoyo refusing to add endgame content or quality of life changes. They’ve been doing better with the qol in Fontaine, but there are still some huge things everyone’s been asking for. I’m not sure what they’re trying to do by holding off. Maybe trying to get more people to play star rail and genshin? But that’s stupid, why would you hold back one game to prop up the other? Just be nice to the community for both games.
First, lets not say "everyone's been asking for" because that isn't remotely true, the vast majority doesn't care, just because We want somthing to tryhard with our optimized teams doesn't mean We can speak for the entire casual playerbase.
Second, Star Rail is not an open world game, is turn-based and still very new, they NEED to pump up content and good rewards to keep us players invested. We can't compare that to Genshin. We don't know if they're planning to finish the 7 nations before adding a fitting endgame mode. We don't know how much in advance they're working on stuff (I follow the lead dev of TFT and they're literally working on 3~4 sets in advance, that translate to like 15 months before release), maybe adding difficult side content would be a pain to work with for the already completed parts of those future versions (I also remember that dev talking about how event game modes for league completely broke the code of the main game every time they wanted to do something cool). So we can't speculate about gameplay stuff. Rewards and QoL on the other hand... that shouldn't be too hard and also a priority, that's what I really care about tbh.
@@Mournliedyet they keep adding TCG to the game, i doubt more people actually play that gamemode more thanthe actual combat in the game.
You know it's bad when even the fence sitter makes a video about this issue 💀
I have mixed feelings about it. There is so much good you get in Genshin without even paying. Furinas story arc and all the promotion around it was my favorite gaming moment last year, nothing even comes close. That said as a paying player, I do feel like the quality of life changes, endgame content and rewards are quite meager.
I want a Dev Interview. We need to know whatever they're doing there & also voiced out our concerns as playerbase
We don't need that lol I don't wanna get traumatized again
we don't want pulls
we want:
•endgame
•optimizations that already exist in Star rail
•fairer rewards not only in lantern rite
•real communication between devs and players
bonus: we want Genshin's director to quit the project and stop killing the game
At this rate it won't just be the game that he kills but the company as well. Hoyoverse was Niche before Genshin and after Genshin's death it will return to Niche never again to rise into the spotlight.
Some of the features I asked for on the surveys for GI were introduced in HSR first, i.e. four slots for refining weapons instead of just one. Surely you can tell which game is more important for the devs.
Fuck Mihoyo but yall are delusional lol. The game is way too big to die
@@silver082 that's the problem, it's not the same devs
the one from Genshin is a greedy trash that almost killed Honkai but then he decided to "take care" of Genshin and now it's killing Genshin too
Hoyo will not die lol genshin is too popular amongst the casual audience and hsr is beloved by their community
I think this video is fantastic as it addresses some actual serious topics that matter to all of the community/playerbase. I definitely would not mind seeing more of this type of content uploaded to your channel.
One thing that I will say though after watching this video & following your content for a long time now: it's kind of depressing & disappointing that even though multiple huge hoyoverse content creators speak up about these issues on UA-cam and/or on Twitch, the company chooses to ignore all of it & not respond in any manner, basically refusing to acknowledge the issue exists in the first place. It's only when the CN community/playerbase makes noise that hoyoverse *MAY* do something.
When you think about how even the most popular, famous, prominent faces of the Genshin community such as Zy0x cannot make a difference with hoyoverse, it makes you think "well what the hell would regular, normal Genshin players achieve by complaining to hoyoverse?" Such a ridiculously disappointing reality we face. Of course, it goes without saying that none of this is the fault of Zy0x or other content creators that try to shed light on these issues.
It's so comical to think that hoyoverse continuously sponsors these creators, pays them, supports them in many ways, communicates with them more directly than with the average Genshin player, etc. & yet hoyoverse seems to not listen to a single word any of them say when it comes to constructive criticism & feedback. Great job, small indie company.
See if they hadn't mentioned the three fates in the way they did people would still have had complaints but they wouldn't have been as mad. I was just happy because Chenyu Vale looked beautiful but I saw how they introduced the three fates and all the gripe I had with the game just came back lol
Thank you for posting this Zyox!! I have been a long time follower on all your platforms, and I think you're the best hoyo creator out there, and you always keep it real and honest with your feelings. Thats why I support u!
I mean the last time the CN side complained things did happen (imo it was bad but that's another story). So hopefully this leads to a better outcomes for everyone and so Genshin gets better. Going back to Genshin feels horrible from Star Rail. It's still fun to me but also tedious because I see and am used to all the QoL in Star Rail and the generosity as well. I really do only come back for the characters play a bit and then wait until the next set of characters come.
THANK YOU ZYOX FOR COVERING THIS
Some people thinks the more generous side of HSR is the result of no exploration chest(even though we do have those, penacony will have a lot of exploration jades) in HSR. But from weekly simulated universe and 120 more gems from MOC&PF(HSR’s abyss), it’ll probably enough to cover the differences from 100’s of chest in Genshin. The good thing is, it’s far easier to do that than opening normal chest 1 by 1 in Genshin lol.
screw those small numbers you mentioned, it's not what makes the huge difference.
Have you seen those juicy giga events star rail drops?
first Sushang event was close to 20 pulls,
swarm distaster was close to 40 jades,
Huo huo/Gui/Sushang event giving close to 30,
Gold and gears giving similar jades to Swarm.
Genshin struggling to ever go over 1k gems per event is an astronomical difference!
Every content creator should voice their concerns about Genshin in general otherwise we are stuck with a none-improving game that had, still has enormous potential. Being critical of a game does not mean we hate it, in fact we love the game the most as we want improvements to the game especially with Genshin finally, hopefully having competition with WW. WW is definitely gonna go hard since i’ve played PGR since day 1 and generosity and quality that Kuro has done with PGR is still beautiful. Lots of people didn’t play PGR so majority ain’t seeing what us PGR players are seeing with WW beyond the trailers, gameplay, characters.
A bigger way of getting heard is if people lower or stop their spending in the game
@@hectorlackless I don't know why people spend money on this shit game lmao; it's not liek there's any content that legitimately rewards you for being whaled. c6 yelan is actually worse than c1 yelan because she makes it so there's no more game left to play, and it all just ends immediately okayge
I think WW has potential. I liked the combat in HI3 more than Genshin - particularly APHO because aerial combat was more than just plunging attacks, and dodges were their own thing with their own effects, not just a sprint starting animation with s. What I didn't like about HI3 was the endgame where you compete against whales on the scoreboard, and the mission style gameplay where you pick a squad, you do a map, and then you're sent back to the menu.
WW, it seems, could provide the fluid and fast-paced gameplay from PGR in a way that is friendly for users of clients other than a phone, while also using the continuous open world style that Genshin has. I hope they can make the most of their position.
@@undeniablySomeGuy I have only spent like 5 dollars one time for the wealkin but it was before the first anniversary, after that I have been f2p and so far have managed really well.
I can understand people using some money now and then so they can get more characters but I have never understood whaling, it always feels like an incredible waste of money
I played PGR but the story and characters were too bland for me to feel or care much. And I got all the way to Chapter 12 too.....
either double the resin capacity limit or speed up the resin replenish rate to take half the time it would normally take to replenish and double the condensed resin limit. that would be the one thing i would want. anyways looking forward to ar60 before the end of the year hopefully 😅
I liked your take on this matter, so thank you for expressing your thoughts on youtube as well
Why was the hydro vertical zy0x so funny tho
Thank you Zy0x mail! I was not paying much attention to what’s happening cos I’ve always blocked out any kinds of confrontation or “drama”, and I thought Genshin would eventually get their sh1t together, but 3 pulls are truly insulting…
i honestly adore this sort of video - its like a genshin mogul mail and i love it :3