x.com/mrpokke/status/1872339073546981854 This video is not to instigate, but to bring awareness. To end any war: it’s not about who is better, firefly or rappa. Fugue upgrades both significantly, more so for rappa than for firefly, but both receive a direct upgrade for all endgame content. I was hella tilted during the tierlist yesterday because of the glazers, but I have found the chill guy in me. If you already have FF, u wouldn’t pull rappa, and vice versa unless u are a cc/whale. If you feel your FF is struggling, pull fugue. If you feel your rappa is struggling, pull fugue. Nothing wrong with wanting to show how good your unit is. The e0s0 rappa 0 cycle is not to show firefly is trash, it’s to show rappa is not. Bring others up, not tear others down. Have fun with Fugue 👍
Your not wrong Pokke...its the braindead community that cant accept facts cuz it hurts them 😂😂😂 new chars in HSR will always powercreep the old units....if they cant accept this FACT, they r playing the wrong game
She really got massively underglazed on release. "Oh Gallachad is fine nbd." And he is, for sure, but she's insanely good and very clearly a lot better than E6 Gallagher, even at E0S0. Her healing is way more comfortable and the damage can get ridiculous.
These claims are going to age like milk when 3.0 drops. I hope nobody falls for DPS Lingsha meme and think she can work against Fire resist 8M HP bosses. Those certain CCs pushing that crap for clicks have no accountability. Just because it works in few favorable instances doesn't mean she can replace dps. Good CCs are supposed to give good and transparent advice, not set up players for failure with deceptive showcases to players that don't know any better. That is why Pokke is doing a good job and gives full context and clarity to everything he does, meanwhile somebody else poses everything as some big brain strategy when in practice is neither relatable or viable.
E1 Fugue was a big deal tho lol. weakness break efficiency which translates to more toughness damage done is the biggest part of the break damage multiplier
Hot(?) take: A lot of the Rappa haters are salty break players who embraced the "Skippa" memes when she came out, and don't want to admit that they were wrong about her. So instead they come up with any excuse for why actually, they were right to skip Rappa, because she's actually still "unplayable" even with Fugue. At the end of the day, you can get full rewards with both Rappa and Firefly, so just play who you like (or neither of you don't like them)
@@randyjr.arsenio5624I'm not gonna throw shade on rappa cause that's dumb 1. AS is a joke of an endgame mode 2. AoE damage isn't massively impressive since even Argenti can hit numbers like that on his Ult and we all know where he places 😂 Now I'm gonna defend FF here, she's a blast not an AoE so her damage is focused on the three targets that's why she's amazing. Imagine if Boothills massive single target damage was spread out to 5 targets? That wouldn't be as impressive as it is currently the ONLY reason Rappa can get away with her AoE is how her stacks work which is also amazing Also my FF does a comfy consistent 600k in AS with e0 fugue HMC NO RUAN MEI. just saying. Doom posting T0 units is cringe
I think what people r forgetting is that the rewards from apoc, pf and moc are THE SAME. Meaning a character that can do good on all three is objectively more valuable. If we go by prydwyn’s tier list, guess who’s apex tier in all three modes; Rappa. HOWEVER, I do still believe that in moc and apoc, FF is more flexible. AND ff is alot better for SU (which for those who may say doesnt count, literally rewards like 30 - 40k jades in total for new players)
Moc is harder than the other 2 in most case ( well, since it's a dps check :/ ) so if a char can do well in moc, they're most likely going to perform well in apoc too
With PF changes BH is good in PF too, Prydwen didnt update their PF tier list. I got 30k+ with him as the sole dps. But dont think he is apex tier in PF tho 😭😭 If you are curious theres someone who posted their video of Boothill, RM, Pela and HMC doing 30k+ in PF. Not even fugue in the team
I mean, if we're going by Prydwen tier list, Rappa is overall the best dps in the game right now. With the release of Fugue, I also think she should be t0 in MoC, at least for this rotation. She destroys side 2 and she can low cycle clear side 1 if you play your cards right.
i feel like Erudition has been gaining value this recent ver because 5 enemies on the field in MoC, AS, and PF. If they go back to single target with lots of HP then Rappa might not be as good.
Imagine if they add, oh, I don't know, a second row of enemies in 3.x. Just a hypothetical ofc (iykyk). ST had its spotlight in 2.x. Time for FuA to be taken down a peg.
We are getting lost in the sauce, a little tiny bit. Talking about S1, E1, E2 and multiple 5* units like this is a completely free game is getting out of hand. Here are some objective truths: FF - is more f2p friendly, usable in any element and end game, has a free LC thanks to ATK scaling and free HMC, not reliant on multiple 5* to have a baseline active kit and clearing all content. Universal in the complete definition of the word. Absolute bang for buck value for everyone. Rappa - scales higher than FF with more 5* cost expenditure. She can be used on any element and content as long as you pull Fugue (with 50% less break efficiency) and she can break faster than FF as long as you have units with corresponding elements to help her do that. She can be universal and achieve better results but also requires more premium currency to do that. Value is in the eye of the beholder on this one. Both units are good and work differently. That is why, in my opinion, Prydwen has FF higher on the tier list - she achieves her goal with no eidolons, a free HMC and no sig LC. While Rappa needs either S1 or Fugue and that is value bought with money. No argument is to be had here, this is not a debate, it's an objective fact. All you can do is accept your position with grace and stop fighting over a bunch of pixels that are more expensive than a AAA game. Keep in mind, this release window of Rappa right before meta defining supports and 3.0 launch is done on purpose and y'all arguing over red vs yellow is playing exactly in the marketing departments plans to sell more and divide communities over tribalistic behavior. Chill out and play who you want.
@@itz1201 In comparison to everyone else, my comment is mild at best. It's just a lot of words to provide the whole perspective of why it's stupid to fight over this topic.
You are one of, if not one of the most sensible people to make a comment like this, and I really hope you cook some more. I 100% agree with everything you've said and this Rappa vs FF thing is tribalistic af
Finally someone who gets it. Not to mention that she synergizes better with the current roster of break characters as most of them are fire and she implants that weakness helping the rest of them.
Firefly team was basically complete with RM and HMC. Rappa when she was released was still incomplete, which explains why she was lagging behind FF. Now that Fugue was out though, Rappa team is now complete, in a sense that she can take advantage more of her kit now. People should start realizing that. Same argument can be made for Boothill. I can even say Hoyo did a great job with Break in that they were able to eventually even the playing field for the 3 DPS, and people can just pick whoever they like.
It's not about the dmg bro.. rappa and firefly are used in totally different scenarios.. when you off element don't use rappa u will have easier time with firefly and when you're on aoe scenario rappa is hell alot better..for matter of fact I successfully 0-cycled svarog with my e0 firefly no ddd easy time where mr pokke and so did i couldn't manage it with rappa.
Prydwyn needs to work more on their Tier List because Fugue is THE ONLY CHARACTER THAT ACTUALLY CHANGES "EVERYTHING". Its always said as a meme or joke but Fugue is legit her. Fugue , HMC , Rappa , Boothil , Acheron Need Tier 0 Himeko needs to move to T0.5 and maybe Xueyi to T1 There are others as well like maybe Luka Super Break or Argenti but idk i dont run them xD
I think that only really made sense very early on in HSR when it was basically just hyper-carry oriented DPS and DoT, but once Follow-Up and Super Break and now Remembrance are added, it's less appropriate to do it that way, as long as the teams as a whole are comparable in terms of power. It's pretty heavily a team game, so even if, for example, once we get a remembrance sustain, Aventurine is the 3rd best, as long as FuA is still a tier 0 level team, you'd still want Aventurine in T0 himself because it's not like you'd use Lingsha or Remembrance Sustainer over Aventurine on a Follow-Up team.
As a Rappa enjoyer, absolutely agree. Btw fun fact: From 4 rappa stacks and above she does more toughnes reduction than ff, if imag weak or broken. Now w fugue, 1 on 1 makes her better than ff kekw. Also imo ppl rly underestimate her major trace of dealing 120% toughness alongside the insane final hit. Maining her since her release made me realise, rappa is significantly better against broken enemies, so fugues ult is even incredibly significant. Anyho Pokke ty for clearing rappa’s rep, sorta.
Honestly they should make team comp tier lists instead. Imagine being a newbie and pulling according to the tier list. 99% of those apex damage dealers are dogwater without the right comp, except Yunli.
Even though I skipped Rappa, I know that she's really strong, just held back. The closest comparison would be Topaz and JY, who released before their BiS partner(s). Rappa was held back by IMG toughness and being the only break dps to not have implant, but with Fugue it changes things. Another limiter to Rappa is that once she ults, she loses her charges, so her ult hits much weaker. With Fugue, she's on the same field as Acheron in terms of absurdity regardless. Firefly on the other hand has the opposite problem, where she's more accessible and her team is pretty lax in terms of restrictions, given that she implants fire and has blast toughness ignore. If Therta wasn't around the corner, I'd 100% get Fugue, but my schizo dreams tell me to save.
I mean, it's pretty obvious rappa damage is spread out to 5 BootHills damage is to 1 firefly damage is spread to 3 BootHill and rappa are too extremes but firefly is in the middle So that's easier to use and that's the one to pick (Butt BootHill and rappa are the extremes so they work in the extreme scenario)
My rappa can do diabolical St DMG. She did 550k to a random elite. In this video you can literally see rappa do higher DMG to two targets over firefly and firefly had E1 fugue.
@@TheRedOGRE Right, but even with said damage being higher, FF can clear more faster and comfier when in her element. E1 Fugue didn’t make much of a difference since FF could break without it. Of course Rappa is at a disadvantage since it’s not against five enemies. Also since she is off element for side 1. This just proves that she is not as good for first part of MOC while FF is not as good for side 2.
@@winston8180E0S0 Rappa Did pretty much the same clear as E1S0 Fugue though? Rappa can comfortably do 1-cycle clear for side 1 and if lucky, can 0-cycle. The only reason Firefly was able to 0-cycle comfortably in the video he watched, is because Firefly had +100% break efficiency(Ruan Mei and E1 Fugue buff). If she couldn't break fast enough, she wouldn't have been able to
When she was release. No one could keep up with her. So in that sence she was properly rated on release. You out here acting like the ff dickrider is the braindead one yet you sound exactly like them just on the hate train side
TBH, Rappa is more versatile, sure, but Firefly might be the better pick if you already clear PF. I have a fuck ton of characters that are pretty good for PF but Apoc is always a struggle and one of the MoC halfs is tough as well. In my case, Firefly is the better alternative, since I'll never use her in PF anyway. With Fugue, the gap between the two got lower but its still not significant, if you have either you're probably good until rememberance comes out and powercreep them all to oblivion
i don't have a single break dps (no rappa, firefly, boothill not even a lingsha) so this showcase is just showing me that yall are playing a completely different game over there lmao
Same here, I don't even have team for FuA either, but still clearing content such as Apoc, pf, MoC with just JingLiu and Acheron even though sometime is a struggle
i agree that people saying that rappa is unplayable at e0s0 is pure cope, she gets a huge upgrade with her signature but she´s pretty insane without it too
@@Ben-v6z3snot really lol. a unit with their signature will always naturally be the go to, that doesn’t even have to be explained… it’s hella self explanatory lol. but they don’t *need* it. nothing was contradictory here
@@Ben-v6z3s Where is the contradiction? The cope thing is obivously about her being weak and not worth pulling since you have to get her LC too, but since she works fine without LC it does not make sense. People just need to chill, if you already have Firefly don't pull other break dps unless you are whale or really like them as a character, if you don't have Firefly it does not matter who you get Firefly or Rappa since they both will clear edngame in a break team. You not gonna use 2 break teams probably ever so you don't need both.
everyone fighting on which break dps is the better meanwhile me: about to ditch superbreak as a whole cus its the most boring shit regardless of the character you're playing and play acheron & therta om boothill was the only fun break dps they've created so far so i'd only consider getting back into the break meta either with him or a future break dps.
I still think FF is better for AS over Rappa, even at just e0. A cocolia phase where you can just implant fire weakness and ignore the boss mechanic is too nasty. Ik Rappa has her monkey boss made for her and is really good, but FF being able to implant just lets her ignore mechanics in a way that makes her gameplay feel like cheating.
@@Djdjkskssjie8381 dude literally mentioned Boothill instead of Rappa 😂, Rappa's weakness ignore isn't enough for her to be that good as Firefly and Boothill on AS lil bro
@@MrJceOfficial This would be true on paper, however AS/content in general has been favoring AOE for while now esp with sunday boss, banana, blue sting coming next refresh etc, with 3.0 coming we have the herta who is also erudition increase the bias for aoe more, with leaks the mobs are consistently summoning or ensuring there are 5 mobs on the field, Rappa benefits from all of this lmao.
@@FlipFlops11 the problem is, sunday boss was made for rappa, and the banana boss actually is not a break boss, its a aoe boss, any character with good aoe performs batter than break characters there, like jade or himeko, rappa is the only break excepcion because she IS aoe, but if you puke her against the first boss that was intended to be a break boss(its the only that has break buff) you will notice that if both are e0s0 firefly has more points. You don't need to believe me, prydwen has the data for this AS.
@@FlipFlops11and yet with all that, FF can still compete thanks to her weakness implant. The bug is ice and img weak. With her fire implant its already weak to everyone in the team. You dont understand how good that is in and out of endgame modes. Ppl simply choose FF just for the convenience of implant alone. AS will keep favoring those who break the boss fast
@@sakuseihuoshen with or without E1 Fugue FF still takes 2 turns to break Svarog, Fugue's E1 in this case is simply just a damage increase but it's not nessecary, here's a reference video for a full E0S0 0 cycle ua-cam.com/video/UzrQZwsD_Hk/v-deo.html
Damn. Now I kinda regret getting Rappa's LC. I saw a lot of people glazing it and granted, her LC is very good. The 1 turn ult and action advance is amazing, but if I just stuck with Serval LC or low superimposition "Charmony Fall" LC then I would've still had enough jades to guarantee getting Fugue (since I lost my 50/50.) Right now, I need exactly 40 more pulls to get her and I probably have enough to get two 10 pulls before he banner ends. If I don't get Fugue with those 20 pulls, then I hope her banner rerun comes soon.
It's why players often say, “A lightcone and an eidolon is not another unit”. They're almost always not as important as the units themselves, that's why unless there's a new path and you need lightcones for it; don't pull.
Anyways, good luck to you. I'm pretty sure I would've been on the same boat because I needed to get Rappa through a guarantee, and had I not gotten S1 at low pity
I almost had the same problem. I pulled for Rappa S1 because I had a feeling her rerun would take some time. I lost the 50/50 for fugue at 83, but somehow lucked out and got her in the next 10 pull. Maybe I should have saved more jade for E1, maybe in her rerun.
yeah i was gonna say im pretty sure most ppl "glazing" ff were just saying she is better because you dont need to spend as many resources/ have the resources easily available.
this is the reason they don't even considered 😂, then these mofos would say "take out hmc on Firefly" DUDE, SHE'S FREE WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU NOT USE HER WITH FIREFLY ?! LMAO 😂
Prydwen tier list criteria consists of DPS units having their best teams. It's why JY jumped up 2-4 tiers after Sunday and Rappa jumped up tiers after Fugue.
Yep this was me too, would have had about 280 warps for E2 acheron but I was enjoying Rappa's design so much. Now with E0S0 Fugue all I need is Lingsha's rerun.
I don’t know why he always use the “from a casual player’s perspective“. You think casual watch tierlist? They pull because she’s hot or enjoy her design or character. Not a single casual look at tier list. The most they’ll do is watch a guide, that’s it.
Dunno, my E0S1 Firefly destroys the game, and shes stronger than my E0S1 Rappa. Both have pretty much perfect stats. Rappa is only better when there are more mobs to kill.
I've been using Rappa E0 with the SU lightcone and I've been shreading all endgame with just Ruan Mei, no Fugue or Lingsha or ofc Lightcone. Imo: They both are at a very similar lvl, Rappa exceling at AoE and Firefly in more single target scenarios
Break teams can just let go off sustain tbh. Too much action delay and huge toughness damage barely lets your character gets hit. Prydwen should consider that
@@Djdjkskssjie8381 If it can be done consistently and at the same level of investment from their criteria sure, but hp inflation will prevent this from working anyways.
I mean the other characters having eidolons or s1 at all defeats the entire point tho? You can't reach the high ceiling of Rappa without them. If the tierlist says e0s0 it means for the whole team. Also an s5 gacha 4 star that nobody pulled for is probably harder for people to get than the actual s1. If Rappa is run on a f2p account with or without Fugue she still has diabolically bad f2p alternatives. The reason it matters is losing 1 turn ain't so bad when your team does 1 rappilion damage but when it deals normal damage it's really bad.
@GlebLakhno and how would you get it? I play since day one and I only have 2, 1 o got for free in the first web event and the second I got recently in fugue banner, imagine a new player(the people pokke wants to reach)
@@celsosousamendonca4738 break team for absolutely new player before 3.0 it's total mistake, now we can talk, if you haven't have serval's light cone u don't pull rappa, if you have u pull otherwise always will be people who doesn't have some 4*(because it rng) you also can say that relics in the showcases unreal and so on so forth
@celsosousamendonca4738 without mei or e1 fugue it will be week and also you should be really lucky to pull 3 char in 21 day(if we still talking about new player), and without harmony mc if you need him as a new path, FF will be weak(again if fugue below e1)
Don't care who's better than who. Since ver. 3+ all of them will be dead anyways and remembrance path will dominate everything. With ver 3.0 will bring new year and with new year will bring new meta. That's the nature of gacha games. Am i coping? Yes, i am coping
I can see the days where lv 1 Arlant is Outcycling a full E6S5 Super Break comp because Hoyo Deleted Break mechanic from the Game and said Break is a Danger to their Game HSR
Still need two teams, buddyboy. (Seriously though break and FUA are still gonna be fine in 3.0. Remembrance will be best, but people are just still dealing with DoT trauma when DoT was always a fraud from the jump. Never had a support designed for them. Never had a sustainer designed for them. FuA and Break have both, and multiples even, and they're all diabolically good like Aventurine, Fugue, Bubbin, Ruan Mei, HMC, Lingsha, March 8th, Topaz, etc).
Just because a new meta is about to release, It doesnt mean that the old meta will die, even after super break release as a new meta team, they still release units to buff other teams like Jiaoqiu for the Acheron team and Feixao for the follow-up team
I'm confused on why people treat remembrance as a new meta when it is a new path aglaea is a remembrance crit dps but who say hoyo would not release a remembrance FUA, Break or dot dps.
I say this as someone who thinks Rappa should probably be T0. That Rappa LC is still a gacha one is it not? I for one do not think I have it (def not s5 if I do). How would Rappa preform with a mid af LC that we are guaranteed to have? The conclusion I get from this video is side 1 matters, and which both are clearly similar. Side 2 is a Rappa tailor made enemy so her doing better (with or without LC) is kind of expected. Purely for MoC because we know its not a competition in PF (would not be surprised if Rappa could compete/beat with my e2 FF there...)
yeah, i wonder why. it's not like her A4 trace, Sylvan Enigma, increases her break effect by 30% and immediately recover 1 skill point after she use her skill for the first time in the battle.
The point about people feeling FOMO over FF if she's alone at T0 given her banner being up right now is definitely very fair. Whichever break DPS you have is completely fine. They're all pretty equally good and are a rare case where all of them should be in T0 and it's not actually a copout to do that, because the gap is way too narrow for you to pull one of the three based on any reason other than that being the character you liked most in the story and/or you find them more fun to play.
That sounds like a personal issue than a overall experience since honestly I've cleared all content with Fugue and Rappa without HMC and it's been pretty amazing. I have not really ran into the same problems what you're describing.
@ What issue? If I’d had any issue with Fugue that’d be the same for MC. As I already said Fugue provides nothing for Rappa cause r5 DDD overlaps her kit completely. The only character that really gains the boon is Lingsha. At the end the most laughable thing is.. if you replace Rappa with MC you’d get even better.
@@noahd531 This... doesn't make sense when Rappa benefits from Fugue's kit? the information is out there, all the testing, the numbers are not lying. I'm not sure where you're getting at this. Anywhere you go everything points to Fugue and Rappa synergizing with each other as well with other break DPS and Himeko. Again this sounds like you're having skill issues?
Fugue + FF = implant increases fugues weakness reduction + extra fire dmg break ( 2nd strongest but most consistent ). With RM more reduction for the team while HMC more energy and av advance. Colourless breaking when not in ult or use on HMC Fugue boothill = faster stacks and more break dmg (physical strongest based on enemy) + colouress breaking Rappa fugue= easier stacks and charge up + colourless breaking outside ult extra delay but break not as strong as the other two. In the end is single target, blast or aoe.
They are probably going to update it if the new MoC stats reflect it. I mean they updated it with the release of Fugue and they didn't overshoot it. I say its a good update
2:39 Every single tierlist like this in prydwen is a misinformation. Imo if you want to do a tierlist for casuals/new players it should be a full team tierlist. Not separate characters. For sustains/supports sure, because you can slap them for almost any team and they work. But for example Acheron is only T0,5 with Jiaoqiu. WIthout this guy she is mid af now. If you will start the game today and you have Fugue and FF on the banners and as a casual you will get your FF but only with HMC, because you have no jades for Fugue. You have no RM, no Pela and you are playing with Asta. Yikes. She is dogshit. So no. Every single tierlist like this is a misinformation for casual/new players. Imagine Feixiao without Robin, Aventurine, Topaz, Sparkle, Bronya etc. Try playing Feixiao, Herta, Asta, Natasha and tell me that this is a T0 unit. Tielist in that shape is for veterans, not casuals/new players. So you are objectively demonstably wrong here.
Actually you can get march for free, so it's not impossible to play with feixiao as a new f2p player. And acheron had pela in both of her banners, so it's very probable who got acheron has at least a e0 pela, the same for moze with feixiao.
@@celsosousamendonca4738 Is Acheron in a team with Pela-Asta-Natasha/Lynx a 0,5 unit? Is Feixiao in a team with Moze/March-Herta/Asta-Natasha/Lynx a T0 unit? I don't think so. There are T0 broken teams for sure. But T0 dps as a separate unit? Hell nah. Imo. Maybe E6S5 Blade, Yunli, Firefly (I'm not sure about FF). Because they can basically solo content. For sure not 0 cycles, I'm not sure if even with 3* clear but it should be possible to just clear and not die. I would be glad to try, but my poor account doesn't have E6S5 units 🥲 They have self healing in their kit so they don't need sustains/team. At least in theory.
@kuruzaru but your point was that these character are mid if you don't have op sups like robin, jiaoqiu, rm or fugue, and the tier list was misinformation because of this, but the real point is that, if you don't have any 5* limited sup, feixiao+march+moze is the best team of the game, acheron+pela+any nihility is the best team of the game, firefly+hmc+asta is the best team of the game, boothill+hmc+bronya(if you got her in the standard banner) is the best team of the game. That's why all of these characters are tier 0 or 0,5, because with much less investment you can do a lot with them, but if you are to compare these characters in their f2p comp with a yunli in her best team or with a E6S5 blade, obviously it will make it seem like feixiao, acheron and firefly are mid.
@@celsosousamendonca4738 If I would start HSR today and have current knowledge of the game... I would never even look at the tierlists. I would skip all of them and pull for everything new. Sunday is gone so kinda womp womp. But I would pull for Herta, Tribbie etc. I would take my time and slowly build real T0 teams/units. Feixiao, Acheron, FF is fine now. But we know that HSR is not GI. All of them will be mid af very soon. That is why it's not a tierlist for a new/casual players. It's for veterans. New player should ALWAYS invest for the newest shit. Because it will be better than old teams anyway. The only characters worth pulling on reruns are Sunday, Robin and RM. And obviously sustains like Lingsha or Ave because there is nothing new. It's unclear how much energy new path characters need. But because Sunday gives energy I assume a lot. Maybe Huehue would be good to have if nothing new in a few patches. And that is it. Feixiao, FF, Acheron are ez skip for new players. At least it should be ez skip.
at the end of the day, everyone should play how the want and enjoy, and for me rappa right now is the most fun unit, but everyone has different preferences
FF clearing Svarog only one action faster than Rappa in content that is suited MUCH more towards FF WHILE HAVING Fugue E1 says more than enough. It should not be that hard to have a better performance if she truly was better than Rappa in any capacity at all lmfao
@ashimsy what don't you understand about 50% weakness break efficiency from Fugue E1 you dolt? It's giving a massive boost to her damage AND the speed at which she breaks through the toughness bar to start doing her damage.
@@notquitebro1442 bruh yeah weakness break efficiency is a huge buff but ff is the only one doing the toughness reduction, if it was used on hmc the toughness would reduce twice as fast and ff would have gotten to break during her turn >> wait I'll timestamp you an example 21:06
I just remember when Rappa release, she is the ONLY ONE DPS FORCE BY COMMUNITY have to have GREAT performance in her bad situation, not event Jingliu, Ratio, DHIL, or other DPS have that treatment
Rappa E0S0 is not dog shit, it just not as comfortable cuz her third attack will came up slower cuz missing 50% action advance and has to build her with more SPD. but dmg wise it not that game breaking difference.
Hope we get a Ruan mei replacement in the future, she is really good for the Break team, but she was not build to be a break support, you can see this by the fact that she has increase DMG on her kit, a useless ability on the break team, so we can easily get a better character for the role that she serves
@@izzme5204i know, but they want Fugue to replace mainly HMC, so they still can improve the Break Team with a new unit to replace Ruan Mei, but yes, it will probably take a while
@@Tiasung I agree HMC + Fugue is better for me, but we are getting RMC in 3.0, we wont be able to use HMC and RMC in different comps, that will be a problem for those who have the Break team, but want to use RMC for the upcoming summon meta, thats Fugue + Ruan Mei is gonna be the prefer option in that case (depending of course on how good RMC will be for the summon meta)
I think the problem is that in the past you instigated a lot of hate for Firefly players, I dont want to create a war in comments so I want to think that you did it joking or something like that but people could get triggered by comments like that also you are a CC so people expect you to be neutral and not slander or bring hate to characters people like.
As a Firefly user and enjoyer I see her issues and know they are right, I know what they are trying to point out, Firefly is not benefiting Fugue while Rappa have room to grow, and from my experience Rappa easily surpass Firefly Thats why its funny for me, seeing Firefly enjoyers act so prideful getting triggered over critics that are more true than they want to accept it In the end HSR is a gacha that favorize a lot powercreep, FF is gonna get replaced, everyone will, if you want to use her just do, there's no point raging online cause someone tells you your dps is getting surpassed
Wtf do you mean Rappa unplayable without her sig or Fugue 😂 She closed all break related content which didn't fit for FF on my account with ease just with that Sunday LC. She is very flexible unit and just works by herself by design only getting stronger with other characters. Fugue enables Rappa to stack her talent to 8-10 more frequently and prepare enemies for her to break, so she can do more numbers. But she can't advance the Ninja to the moon like HMC, which works with her in diabolical combination (especially with Sunday now too)
Rappa is good... Tbh, she benefits a lot from Fugue... More instances of break, more buffs... But then, Fugue benefits a lot from Firefly too... Fugue can't deal toughness for non-fire weak enemies... But due to Firefly's implant, she could contribute better in depleting the toughness bar... Anyway, I got Firefly first and I don't want any additional superbreak dps... So i'm sticking with my Firefly no matter what...
I have Ruan Mei E0S1, Firefly E0S0 and Rappa E1S1 (Got lucky there) and i can say, witouth Fugue (i want her, but because i pulled for sunday and i want Herta i Will skip her or maybe doing only a multi) I can Say, Overall on the 3 endgames, FF it's more flexible and easy to use, She's "better" overall because her flexibility on team building and relics/ornaments farming But, that doesn't mean Rappa it's Bad, Rappa it's exceptionally good Even witouth her Lightcone, obviously, she Will become better because she can do a little more ults, but she has an overall good alternative on gacha cones, so thats it
the truth is Rappa and Boothill are very good characters, there isn't a issue with either of them, the problem is more people are limited in Pulls. I tried to get Rappa but lost the 50/50. wasted my Garantee on Acheron. (yes wasted). The whole game is pull 1 Meta DPS that you like the most, then pull 2 Sustain that you love the most. (best they are DPS Sustain/Preservation that is why Aventurine and Lingsha are on top) Then build up support. so before you even get to enjoy the game. that is where things get tricky. if you are giga whale (sorry 300 bucks isn't cheap for a Character) or super lucky. You need to pick characters you like the most, let alone slog trough the horrible grind for Traces Relics Lightcons leveling. that is the first priority. And if you pull a character you DO NOT LIKE at all, it is horrible being forced to grind for a character you do not like. but like all Gacha Games people have their favorite. and will envy others if their favorite are not the BEST.
My C0 Acheron with 4star LC takes 2 turns to build her 500k burst dmg to 5 enemies My C0 Firefly with 4star LC takes 1 turn to burst using her 400k skill dmg 2 times in 1 to 2 turns for a total of 800k dmg to 3 enemies My C0 Rappa with 4star LC takes 1 turn to burst using her normal atks with 300k dmg x 1 or 2 in 1 to 3 turns with a total of 900k dmg to 5 enemies So Rappa is the strongest DPS in HSR today can build her dmg faster than Acheron & Firefly plus with more hits & turns than both of them. Feixiao obviously is at the bottom of those 3 coz she can only hit 1 enemy at a time.
Thoughts as somone who doesn't have Rappa, but got E2 FF. E0S0 Rappa and E0S1 Rappa is better than E0S0 and E0S1. With both at Eidolon 1 IMO kinda equal, and FF wins at E2. Just my opinion, after watching many showcases for both. It's also easier to run no sustain comp with Firefly because of tankiness and healing
Not really tbh. FF can survive for the first cycle of her ultimate but after that she’ll need to use her skill twice and pretty much reduces her HP to 1. It’s doable but totally rng dependent
@@legacymse7095She'll trigger Lingsha's talent or Galla's besotted while draining HP. In sustainess comp, she'll heal back in enhanced state. 1Hp issue is like nonexistent or more of just rng issue.
People really overrated Rappa LC. I test it with all E0S0 E0S1 E6S0 E6S1 and E6S5. It’s really playable. 50%action advanced isn’t the end of the world. Bonus energy? Then good luck with firefly after her ult run out.(Need 1-2 skill to recharge)meanwhile Rappa consistently Getting 90-100% energy.
x.com/mrpokke/status/1872339073546981854
This video is not to instigate, but to bring awareness. To end any war: it’s not about who is better, firefly or rappa.
Fugue upgrades both significantly, more so for rappa than for firefly, but both receive a direct upgrade for all endgame content. I was hella tilted during the tierlist yesterday because of the glazers, but I have found the chill guy in me.
If you already have FF, u wouldn’t pull rappa, and vice versa unless u are a cc/whale.
If you feel your FF is struggling, pull fugue.
If you feel your rappa is struggling, pull fugue.
Nothing wrong with wanting to show how good your unit is.
The e0s0 rappa 0 cycle is not to show firefly is trash, it’s to show rappa is not.
Bring others up, not tear others down.
Have fun with Fugue 👍
Not my ass pulling for both FF and Rappa 😭🙏
@@mrpokkee i don't have fugue. So how do i have fun with fugue?
Pokke has no enemies
Your not wrong Pokke...its the braindead community that cant accept facts cuz it hurts them 😂😂😂 new chars in HSR will always powercreep the old units....if they cant accept this FACT, they r playing the wrong game
How about have both e1s0 firefly and e0s1 rappa? Don't ask me how it happened but it did
Meanwhile LINGSHA casually sitting there as the BEST break dps/healer/debuffer/cleanser
She really got massively underglazed on release. "Oh Gallachad is fine nbd." And he is, for sure, but she's insanely good and very clearly a lot better than E6 Gallagher, even at E0S0. Her healing is way more comfortable and the damage can get ridiculous.
@@eckology016 Now she's massively overglazed imo.
@@Misaka05050yep glazed dragon mhm
@@eckology016 Lingsha is 10% better than Gallagher trope should be studied.
These claims are going to age like milk when 3.0 drops. I hope nobody falls for DPS Lingsha meme and think she can work against Fire resist 8M HP bosses. Those certain CCs pushing that crap for
clicks have no accountability. Just because it works in few favorable instances doesn't mean she can replace dps. Good CCs are supposed to give good and transparent advice, not set up players for failure with deceptive showcases to players that don't know any better. That is why Pokke is doing a good job and gives full context and clarity to everything he does, meanwhile somebody else poses everything as some big brain strategy when in practice is neither relatable or viable.
E1 Fugue was a big deal tho lol. weakness break efficiency which translates to more toughness damage done is the biggest part of the break damage multiplier
Read the title of the video that he watch... e6 ruan mei
Her buffs were on HTB, not on Firefly so that 1.4m break was without double efficiency buffs
@@NoroDaitsukithat wasn’t e6 Ruan mei, lit shows their build at the end it’s e2s1, same as pokke’s.
@@barrox9687 serra didnt once buff HMC with fugue skill, you can rewatch. it was mrpokke who buffed HMC with that
@@barrox9687 FF player E'd FF in both sides.
Hot(?) take: A lot of the Rappa haters are salty break players who embraced the "Skippa" memes when she came out, and don't want to admit that they were wrong about her. So instead they come up with any excuse for why actually, they were right to skip Rappa, because she's actually still "unplayable" even with Fugue.
At the end of the day, you can get full rewards with both Rappa and Firefly, so just play who you like (or neither of you don't like them)
@@Nadran4444 skippa is unplayable and so bad
I'm so confused since Mid-fly does like 400k damage in PF/AS but Skippa does 700k to 1M. Like at which point was FF supposed to be good??
@@randyjr.arsenio5624I'm not gonna throw shade on rappa cause that's dumb
1. AS is a joke of an endgame mode
2. AoE damage isn't massively impressive since even Argenti can hit numbers like that on his Ult and we all know where he places 😂
Now I'm gonna defend FF here, she's a blast not an AoE so her damage is focused on the three targets that's why she's amazing. Imagine if Boothills massive single target damage was spread out to 5 targets? That wouldn't be as impressive as it is currently the ONLY reason Rappa can get away with her AoE is how her stacks work which is also amazing
Also my FF does a comfy consistent 600k in AS with e0 fugue HMC NO RUAN MEI. just saying. Doom posting T0 units is cringe
I think what people r forgetting is that the rewards from apoc, pf and moc are THE SAME. Meaning a character that can do good on all three is objectively more valuable. If we go by prydwyn’s tier list, guess who’s apex tier in all three modes; Rappa.
HOWEVER, I do still believe that in moc and apoc, FF is more flexible. AND ff is alot better for SU (which for those who may say doesnt count, literally rewards like 30 - 40k jades in total for new players)
Moc is harder than the other 2 in most case ( well, since it's a dps check :/ ) so if a char can do well in moc, they're most likely going to perform well in apoc too
I use E0S0 FF in all three without any issues lol
@@nikmerkulov2790 same, idk what people run but my ff is always getting like 34k+ on pf, well prob doesnt matter anymore since pf is piss easy now
With PF changes BH is good in PF too, Prydwen didnt update their PF tier list. I got 30k+ with him as the sole dps. But dont think he is apex tier in PF tho 😭😭
If you are curious theres someone who posted their video of Boothill, RM, Pela and HMC doing 30k+ in PF. Not even fugue in the team
I honestly have never seen someone praise Rappa for APOC like ever
I mean, if we're going by Prydwen tier list, Rappa is overall the best dps in the game right now. With the release of Fugue, I also think she should be t0 in MoC, at least for this rotation. She destroys side 2 and she can low cycle clear side 1 if you play your cards right.
Linghsha has something to say :)
U people are acc regarded
Yea Rappa is going to be the sole T0 DPS for all gamemode
She’s good as long as the banamonkey gang shows up in endgame.
Rappa when no imaginary weakness: 💀
Not saying she is bad but far from best dps
i feel like Erudition has been gaining value this recent ver because 5 enemies on the field in MoC, AS, and PF. If they go back to single target with lots of HP then Rappa might not be as good.
then next patch we get the herta, 5 emenies format will continue
@@Kaien-qf6crEven Aglaea is AoE
@@sakuseihuoshen🤫
The first half has only 2 enemies on each wave
So the number doesn't really matter
Imagine if they add, oh, I don't know, a second row of enemies in 3.x. Just a hypothetical ofc (iykyk).
ST had its spotlight in 2.x. Time for FuA to be taken down a peg.
We are getting lost in the sauce, a little tiny bit.
Talking about S1, E1, E2 and multiple 5* units like this is a completely free game is getting out of hand.
Here are some objective truths:
FF - is more f2p friendly, usable in any element and end game, has a free LC thanks to ATK scaling and free HMC, not reliant on multiple 5* to have a baseline active kit and clearing all content. Universal in the complete definition of the word. Absolute bang for buck value for everyone.
Rappa - scales higher than FF with more 5* cost expenditure. She can be used on any element and content as long as you pull Fugue (with 50% less break efficiency) and she can break faster than FF as long as you have units with corresponding elements to help her do that. She can be universal and achieve better results but also requires more premium currency to do that. Value is in the eye of the beholder on this one.
Both units are good and work differently.
That is why, in my opinion, Prydwen has FF higher on the tier list - she achieves her goal with no eidolons, a free HMC and no sig LC. While Rappa needs either S1 or Fugue and that is value bought with money.
No argument is to be had here, this is not a debate, it's an objective fact. All you can do is accept your position with grace and stop fighting over a bunch of pixels that are more expensive than a AAA game.
Keep in mind, this release window of Rappa right before meta defining supports and 3.0 launch is done on purpose and y'all arguing over red vs yellow is playing exactly in the marketing departments plans to sell more and divide communities over tribalistic behavior.
Chill out and play who you want.
“Chill out” proceeds to write 5 paragraph essay.
How is my comment not chill ? A lot of words ? I'm sorry for providing perspective and context.
@@itz1201 In comparison to everyone else, my comment is mild at best.
It's just a lot of words to provide the whole perspective of why it's stupid to fight over this topic.
You are one of, if not one of the most sensible people to make a comment like this, and I really hope you cook some more. I 100% agree with everything you've said and this Rappa vs FF thing is tribalistic af
Finally someone who gets it. Not to mention that she synergizes better with the current roster of break characters as most of them are fire and she implants that weakness helping the rest of them.
Firefly team was basically complete with RM and HMC. Rappa when she was released was still incomplete, which explains why she was lagging behind FF. Now that Fugue was out though, Rappa team is now complete, in a sense that she can take advantage more of her kit now. People should start realizing that. Same argument can be made for Boothill. I can even say Hoyo did a great job with Break in that they were able to eventually even the playing field for the 3 DPS, and people can just pick whoever they like.
Ruan Mei isnt even designed for superbreak. Half her kit (the huge DMG %) does nothing to help break teams.
@@TiasungThat's because Ruan Mei isn't Superbreak-centric but more of a versatile support
@@sakuseihuoshen its because they didnt know how to design a break playstyle untill firefly's beta
@@TiasungShe was originally a dot support but no one actually payed attention to that and later superbreak came
Nono what needs to be talk is how the hell boothil is not up there at t0, like bruh
He addressed that too in the tier list, he's just focusing more on Rappa because no one is supporting her
He'll be up there once the new MoC drops, there's no way they don't bring him up
But next banner is herta, so the new MoC should be AoE-centric which boothil not really good at. CMIIW
fully agree man E0 rappa with fugue is straight up fire ive been running rappa , fugue and hmc with bailu or fu xuan for sustain
Really the team works fine without ruan mei?
@@TheNinjazeke As a returnee(Ruan Mei non-haver), yes the team works fine without Fugue.(
@@TheNinjazekeYep, her exo toughness kinda do the job with more damage input.
@@TheNinjazeke No need Ruan Mei with Fugue. Unless you wanna go without sustain
Rappa’s strongest soldiers rise up
Those who actually know how to play, know BH and Rappa have higher damage ceiling. Firefly is just a casual friendly braindead character
It's not about the dmg bro.. rappa and firefly are used in totally different scenarios.. when you off element don't use rappa u will have easier time with firefly and when you're on aoe scenario rappa is hell alot better..for matter of fact I successfully 0-cycled svarog with my e0 firefly no ddd easy time where mr pokke and so did i couldn't manage it with rappa.
I really don't care who's stronger. I just have so much fun playing Rappa without a sustain.
Prydwyn needs to work more on their Tier List because Fugue is THE ONLY CHARACTER THAT ACTUALLY CHANGES "EVERYTHING". Its always said as a meme or joke but Fugue is legit her.
Fugue , HMC , Rappa , Boothil , Acheron
Need Tier 0
Himeko needs to move to T0.5 and maybe Xueyi to T1
There are others as well like maybe Luka Super Break or Argenti but idk i dont run them xD
I will not accept this rappa slander she’s my first ever double and I got it at 2 pity 🙏😭
Too bad
@@Mikaela_77hater of fun and whimsy spotted NINJA ATTACK 🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷🥷
your so lucky
Aren't you also the one that claimed that there should be only one T0?
I thought that was because acheron was on their own tier on release. that was when jingliu/seele/DHL started to fall off hard
That was before iirc he changed his stance that there should be 2 or 3 now because there are multiple teams on the same level
I mean, Acheron was on a completely different level compared to the other units back then. Now, Acheron is the one falling off
I think that only really made sense very early on in HSR when it was basically just hyper-carry oriented DPS and DoT, but once Follow-Up and Super Break and now Remembrance are added, it's less appropriate to do it that way, as long as the teams as a whole are comparable in terms of power. It's pretty heavily a team game, so even if, for example, once we get a remembrance sustain, Aventurine is the 3rd best, as long as FuA is still a tier 0 level team, you'd still want Aventurine in T0 himself because it's not like you'd use Lingsha or Remembrance Sustainer over Aventurine on a Follow-Up team.
As a Rappa enjoyer, absolutely agree. Btw fun fact: From 4 rappa stacks and above she does more toughnes reduction than ff, if imag weak or broken. Now w fugue, 1 on 1 makes her better than ff kekw. Also imo ppl rly underestimate her major trace of dealing 120% toughness alongside the insane final hit. Maining her since her release made me realise, rappa is significantly better against broken enemies, so fugues ult is even incredibly significant. Anyho Pokke ty for clearing rappa’s rep, sorta.
Rappa is great E0S0. She's been carrying me so hard!
Honestly they should make team comp tier lists instead.
Imagine being a newbie and pulling according to the tier list. 99% of those apex damage dealers are dogwater without the right comp, except Yunli.
Rappa is unplayable with signature lc 😭
- said by rappa less firefly main
That's the truth tho
Here i am, no fugue, ff, rappa or boothill
Im just enjoying the show 🍿
Me too. Finding videos convincing myself I’m on the right path to not pull Fugue.
thanks for Putting Respect on Rappa's name. I love her and shes helped my account a TON
@@EddyTorrent true, she's one of my favourite characters to play too
Even though I skipped Rappa, I know that she's really strong, just held back. The closest comparison would be Topaz and JY, who released before their BiS partner(s). Rappa was held back by IMG toughness and being the only break dps to not have implant, but with Fugue it changes things. Another limiter to Rappa is that once she ults, she loses her charges, so her ult hits much weaker. With Fugue, she's on the same field as Acheron in terms of absurdity regardless. Firefly on the other hand has the opposite problem, where she's more accessible and her team is pretty lax in terms of restrictions, given that she implants fire and has blast toughness ignore.
If Therta wasn't around the corner, I'd 100% get Fugue, but my schizo dreams tell me to save.
Skippa zzzz fireflop zzzzz the REAL GOAT IS BOOTHILL HELL YEAH BROTHER YEEHAW 🤠👢🐐🔫🇺🇲🍔
Bootbrick
Tsk tsk tsk, we don't go against fellow galaxy rangers, my friend
I mean, it's pretty obvious
rappa damage is spread out to 5
BootHills damage is to 1
firefly damage is spread to 3
BootHill and rappa are too extremes but firefly is in the middle So that's easier to use and that's the one to pick
(Butt BootHill and rappa are the extremes so they work in the extreme scenario)
My rappa can do diabolical St DMG. She did 550k to a random elite. In this video you can literally see rappa do higher DMG to two targets over firefly and firefly had E1 fugue.
@@TheRedOGREstop using double superbreak(fugue/hmc) that shit is stupid
@@TheRedOGRE Right, but even with said damage being higher, FF can clear more faster and comfier when in her element. E1 Fugue didn’t make much of a difference since FF could break without it.
Of course Rappa is at a disadvantage since it’s not against five enemies. Also since she is off element for side 1. This just proves that she is not as good for first part of MOC while FF is not as good for side 2.
@tracksfrl4096Huh? How is it stupid? Superbreak stacks
@@winston8180E0S0 Rappa Did pretty much the same clear as E1S0 Fugue though? Rappa can comfortably do 1-cycle clear for side 1 and if lucky, can 0-cycle. The only reason Firefly was able to 0-cycle comfortably in the video he watched, is because Firefly had +100% break efficiency(Ruan Mei and E1 Fugue buff). If she couldn't break fast enough, she wouldn't have been able to
That title was a couple letters away from giving me a heart attack
People glaze tf outta fireflop and now realizing shes actually garbage overrated while downplaying other break dps
just like what you're doing
When she was release. No one could keep up with her. So in that sence she was properly rated on release. You out here acting like the ff dickrider is the braindead one yet you sound exactly like them just on the hate train side
Irony
TBH, Rappa is more versatile, sure, but Firefly might be the better pick if you already clear PF. I have a fuck ton of characters that are pretty good for PF but Apoc is always a struggle and one of the MoC halfs is tough as well. In my case, Firefly is the better alternative, since I'll never use her in PF anyway. With Fugue, the gap between the two got lower but its still not significant, if you have either you're probably good until rememberance comes out and powercreep them all to oblivion
dude im too casual to care about meta, but holyshit the 4* dps in this game is so weak and useless.
i don't have a single break dps (no rappa, firefly, boothill not even a lingsha) so this showcase is just showing me that yall are playing a completely different game over there lmao
Same here but I got Himeko so I slotted fugue with ruan and mc and the results still shocked me.
The loop on passive of himeko on PF still haunts me
It's honestly way more fun(because Superbreak units are easy to build) and gives me time to focus on my crit units
Same here, I don't even have team for FuA either, but still clearing content such as Apoc, pf, MoC with just JingLiu and Acheron even though sometime is a struggle
@@way3045i feel like if you just replaced JL you'd have a way easier time instantly
@@sashimi3478 I will at 3.0, I'll pull for The Herta and forcing my self to get her E2S1
And I'm also losing my F2P title to her
i agree that people saying that rappa is unplayable at e0s0 is pure cope, she gets a huge upgrade with her signature but she´s pretty insane without it too
You just contradicted yourself 😂
@@Ben-v6z3snot really lol. a unit with their signature will always naturally be the go to, that doesn’t even have to be explained… it’s hella self explanatory lol. but they don’t *need* it. nothing was contradictory here
It was true before Fugue, now Fugue acts like an alternative option if you don't have S1
@@Ben-v6z3s Where is the contradiction?
The cope thing is obivously about her being weak and not worth pulling since you have to get her LC too, but since she works fine without LC it does not make sense.
People just need to chill, if you already have Firefly don't pull other break dps unless you are whale or really like them as a character, if you don't have Firefly it does not matter who you get Firefly or Rappa since they both will clear edngame in a break team.
You not gonna use 2 break teams probably ever so you don't need both.
@@Ben-v6z3sHow did you even get likes? There was no contradiction
everyone fighting on which break dps is the better
meanwhile me: about to ditch superbreak as a whole cus its the most boring shit regardless of the character you're playing and play acheron & therta om
boothill was the only fun break dps they've created so far so i'd only consider getting back into the break meta either with him or a future break dps.
Honestly, to anybody saying that pre e2 firefly is nothing more than a lingsha driver is wrong
Correct she's too cope to be in lingsha's team fugue's weakness effi buff is enough
@@handleloverkiraIndeed, she doesn't even need Firefly anymore 😆
@lorenzlighter, you’re right; they are wrong; she’s no longer a Lingsha driver because she got kicked out by Fugue 😂
How did you not 0c node 2 with Rappa?
My Rappa propaganda has paid off
Boothill
And rappa solo fire fraud
I still think FF is better for AS over Rappa, even at just e0. A cocolia phase where you can just implant fire weakness and ignore the boss mechanic is too nasty. Ik Rappa has her monkey boss made for her and is really good, but FF being able to implant just lets her ignore mechanics in a way that makes her gameplay feel like cheating.
boothill has higher score against 40% phys res cocolia than Firefly in the same investment team be fr. Firefly better in AS than Rappa is cope
@@Djdjkskssjie8381 dude literally mentioned Boothill instead of Rappa 😂, Rappa's weakness ignore isn't enough for her to be that good as Firefly and Boothill on AS lil bro
@@MrJceOfficial This would be true on paper, however AS/content in general has been favoring AOE for while now esp with sunday boss, banana, blue sting coming next refresh etc, with 3.0 coming we have the herta who is also erudition increase the bias for aoe more, with leaks the mobs are consistently summoning or ensuring there are 5 mobs on the field, Rappa benefits from all of this lmao.
@@FlipFlops11 the problem is, sunday boss was made for rappa, and the banana boss actually is not a break boss, its a aoe boss, any character with good aoe performs batter than break characters there, like jade or himeko, rappa is the only break excepcion because she IS aoe, but if you puke her against the first boss that was intended to be a break boss(its the only that has break buff) you will notice that if both are e0s0 firefly has more points. You don't need to believe me, prydwen has the data for this AS.
@@FlipFlops11and yet with all that, FF can still compete thanks to her weakness implant. The bug is ice and img weak. With her fire implant its already weak to everyone in the team. You dont understand how good that is in and out of endgame modes. Ppl simply choose FF just for the convenience of implant alone. AS will keep favoring those who break the boss fast
Pokke on his way to E6 every character after eidolon Toggles become a feature:
19:02 No, Firefly doesn't even need Fugue E1 to 0 cycle, she can do it with all E0S0
How? She needs to do two more turns to break the Svarog, compared to the almost 1-turn obliteration
@@sakuseihuoshen with or without E1 Fugue FF still takes 2 turns to break Svarog, Fugue's E1 in this case is simply just a damage increase but it's not nessecary,
here's a reference video for a full E0S0 0 cycle ua-cam.com/video/UzrQZwsD_Hk/v-deo.html
Svarog is really easy to 0 cycle, other side is harder tbh
Damn. Now I kinda regret getting Rappa's LC.
I saw a lot of people glazing it and granted, her LC is very good. The 1 turn ult and action advance is amazing, but if I just stuck with Serval LC or low superimposition "Charmony Fall" LC then I would've still had enough jades to guarantee getting Fugue (since I lost my 50/50.)
Right now, I need exactly 40 more pulls to get her and I probably have enough to get two 10 pulls before he banner ends. If I don't get Fugue with those 20 pulls, then I hope her banner rerun comes soon.
It's why players often say, “A lightcone and an eidolon is not another unit”. They're almost always not as important as the units themselves, that's why unless there's a new path and you need lightcones for it; don't pull.
Anyways, good luck to you. I'm pretty sure I would've been on the same boat because I needed to get Rappa through a guarantee, and had I not gotten S1 at low pity
I almost had the same problem. I pulled for Rappa S1 because I had a feeling her rerun would take some time.
I lost the 50/50 for fugue at 83, but somehow lucked out and got her in the next 10 pull.
Maybe I should have saved more jade for E1, maybe in her rerun.
I mean FF is usable with HMC which is a free unit unlike Rappa that needs Fugue for the bandaid fix
yeah i was gonna say im pretty sure most ppl "glazing" ff were just saying she is better because you dont need to spend as many resources/ have the resources easily available.
this is the reason they don't even considered 😂, then these mofos would say "take out hmc on Firefly" DUDE, SHE'S FREE WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU NOT USE HER WITH FIREFLY ?! LMAO 😂
By that logic Feixiao, Acheron and JY would go down in the tier list lol
Prydwen tier list criteria consists of DPS units having their best teams. It's why JY jumped up 2-4 tiers after Sunday and Rappa jumped up tiers after Fugue.
@@karthik5076 then do it, make them go down in the tier list then xD
I love Rappa I spent my e2 Acheron savings on her and I regret nothing especially seeing the stonks soar with the addition of fugue
Yep this was me too, would have had about 280 warps for E2 acheron but I was enjoying Rappa's design so much.
Now with E0S0 Fugue all I need is Lingsha's rerun.
Rappa is bad actually because I lost her 50/50 to Yanqing. It is what it is.
I don’t know why he always use the “from a casual player’s perspective“. You think casual watch tierlist? They pull because she’s hot or enjoy her design or character. Not a single casual look at tier list. The most they’ll do is watch a guide, that’s it.
Dunno, my E0S1 Firefly destroys the game, and shes stronger than my E0S1 Rappa. Both have pretty much perfect stats. Rappa is only better when there are more mobs to kill.
Rappa didnt have her hmc equivalent, now she does. Play which ever you like, in sustainless they are both insane.
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I've been using Rappa E0 with the SU lightcone and I've been shreading all endgame with just Ruan Mei, no Fugue or Lingsha or ofc Lightcone.
Imo: They both are at a very similar lvl, Rappa exceling at AoE and Firefly in more single target scenarios
Should have gone with a sustain since that's part of Prydwen's criteria.
Break teams can just let go off sustain tbh. Too much action delay and huge toughness damage barely lets your character gets hit. Prydwen should consider that
@@Djdjkskssjie8381 If it can be done consistently and at the same level of investment from their criteria sure, but hp inflation will prevent this from working anyways.
I mean the other characters having eidolons or s1 at all defeats the entire point tho? You can't reach the high ceiling of Rappa without them. If the tierlist says e0s0 it means for the whole team. Also an s5 gacha 4 star that nobody pulled for is probably harder for people to get than the actual s1. If Rappa is run on a f2p account with or without Fugue she still has diabolically bad f2p alternatives. The reason it matters is losing 1 turn ain't so bad when your team does 1 rappilion damage but when it deals normal damage it's really bad.
Serval's 4 light cone works
@GlebLakhno and how would you get it? I play since day one and I only have 2, 1 o got for free in the first web event and the second I got recently in fugue banner, imagine a new player(the people pokke wants to reach)
@@celsosousamendonca4738 break team for absolutely new player before 3.0 it's total mistake, now we can talk, if you haven't have serval's light cone u don't pull rappa, if you have u pull otherwise always will be people who doesn't have some 4*(because it rng) you also can say that relics in the showcases unreal and so on so forth
@@GlebLakhno why would you say break befor 3.0 is a mistake when you have basically a full team in this second half(ff+fugue+hmc+free gallagher)?
@celsosousamendonca4738 without mei or e1 fugue it will be week and also you should be really lucky to pull 3 char in 21 day(if we still talking about new player), and without harmony mc if you need him as a new path, FF will be weak(again if fugue below e1)
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I still not regretting getting Rappa + Rappa's E1.
Don't care who's better than who. Since ver. 3+ all of them will be dead anyways and remembrance path will dominate everything. With ver 3.0 will bring new year and with new year will bring new meta. That's the nature of gacha games.
Am i coping? Yes, i am coping
I can see the days where lv 1 Arlant is Outcycling a full E6S5 Super Break comp because Hoyo Deleted Break mechanic from the Game and said Break is a Danger to their Game HSR
Still need two teams, buddyboy.
(Seriously though break and FUA are still gonna be fine in 3.0. Remembrance will be best, but people are just still dealing with DoT trauma when DoT was always a fraud from the jump. Never had a support designed for them. Never had a sustainer designed for them. FuA and Break have both, and multiples even, and they're all diabolically good like Aventurine, Fugue, Bubbin, Ruan Mei, HMC, Lingsha, March 8th, Topaz, etc).
There are leaks about a possible 3rd side of MoC
Just because a new meta is about to release, It doesnt mean that the old meta will die, even after super break release as a new meta team, they still release units to buff other teams like Jiaoqiu for the Acheron team and Feixao for the follow-up team
I'm confused on why people treat remembrance as a new meta when it is a new path aglaea is a remembrance crit dps but who say hoyo would not release a remembrance FUA, Break or dot dps.
Rappa is stronger than Firefly period. I have firefly and I only have firefly
I say this as someone who thinks Rappa should probably be T0. That Rappa LC is still a gacha one is it not? I for one do not think I have it (def not s5 if I do). How would Rappa preform with a mid af LC that we are guaranteed to have?
The conclusion I get from this video is side 1 matters, and which both are clearly similar. Side 2 is a Rappa tailor made enemy so her doing better (with or without LC) is kind of expected. Purely for MoC because we know its not a competition in PF (would not be surprised if Rappa could compete/beat with my e2 FF there...)
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The choice between Fugue for my E0S1 Rappa or THE Herta is really difficult. Gotta wait till we get the prerelease guides for her to make a decision
prerelease when?
@Kicksrockskids feels like it's usually a week or so before they come out? But don't quote me on that. If I must ill just follow leaks
19:09 how did Fugue refund sp after using skill here?
yeah, i wonder why. it's not like her A4 trace, Sylvan Enigma, increases her break effect by 30% and immediately recover 1 skill point after she use her skill for the first time in the battle.
@@aryosheva8204and that's why I asked. thx
Her trace gives 1 sp after the use of her skill for the first time, same as HMC trace
The point about people feeling FOMO over FF if she's alone at T0 given her banner being up right now is definitely very fair.
Whichever break DPS you have is completely fine. They're all pretty equally good and are a rare case where all of them should be in T0 and it's not actually a copout to do that, because the gap is way too narrow for you to pull one of the three based on any reason other than that being the character you liked most in the story and/or you find them more fun to play.
Replaced Traveler in Rappa’s team got worse results. Without Lingsha Fugue is literally worse than MC for Rappa. So idk what u talking about.
That sounds like a personal issue than a overall experience since honestly I've cleared all content with Fugue and Rappa without HMC and it's been pretty amazing. I have not really ran into the same problems what you're describing.
@ What issue? If I’d had any issue with Fugue that’d be the same for MC. As I already said Fugue provides nothing for Rappa cause r5 DDD overlaps her kit completely. The only character that really gains the boon is Lingsha. At the end the most laughable thing is.. if you replace Rappa with MC you’d get even better.
@@noahd531 This... doesn't make sense when Rappa benefits from Fugue's kit? the information is out there, all the testing, the numbers are not lying.
I'm not sure where you're getting at this. Anywhere you go everything points to Fugue and Rappa synergizing with each other as well with other break DPS and Himeko. Again this sounds like you're having skill issues?
As a Rappa main, Fugue’s ult helps with Rappas Talent enabling her to do more toughness damage
Fugue + FF = implant increases fugues weakness reduction + extra fire dmg break ( 2nd strongest but most consistent ). With RM more reduction for the team while HMC more energy and av advance. Colourless breaking when not in ult or use on HMC
Fugue boothill = faster stacks and more break dmg (physical strongest based on enemy) + colouress breaking
Rappa fugue= easier stacks and charge up + colourless breaking outside ult extra delay but break not as strong as the other two.
In the end is single target, blast or aoe.
They are probably going to update it if the new MoC stats reflect it. I mean they updated it with the release of Fugue and they didn't overshoot it. I say its a good update
2:39 Every single tierlist like this in prydwen is a misinformation. Imo if you want to do a tierlist for casuals/new players it should be a full team tierlist. Not separate characters. For sustains/supports sure, because you can slap them for almost any team and they work. But for example Acheron is only T0,5 with Jiaoqiu. WIthout this guy she is mid af now. If you will start the game today and you have Fugue and FF on the banners and as a casual you will get your FF but only with HMC, because you have no jades for Fugue. You have no RM, no Pela and you are playing with Asta. Yikes. She is dogshit. So no. Every single tierlist like this is a misinformation for casual/new players.
Imagine Feixiao without Robin, Aventurine, Topaz, Sparkle, Bronya etc. Try playing Feixiao, Herta, Asta, Natasha and tell me that this is a T0 unit.
Tielist in that shape is for veterans, not casuals/new players. So you are objectively demonstably wrong here.
Actually you can get march for free, so it's not impossible to play with feixiao as a new f2p player. And acheron had pela in both of her banners, so it's very probable who got acheron has at least a e0 pela, the same for moze with feixiao.
@@celsosousamendonca4738 Is Acheron in a team with Pela-Asta-Natasha/Lynx a 0,5 unit?
Is Feixiao in a team with Moze/March-Herta/Asta-Natasha/Lynx a T0 unit? I don't think so.
There are T0 broken teams for sure. But T0 dps as a separate unit? Hell nah. Imo.
Maybe E6S5 Blade, Yunli, Firefly (I'm not sure about FF). Because they can basically solo content. For sure not 0 cycles, I'm not sure if even with 3* clear but it should be possible to just clear and not die. I would be glad to try, but my poor account doesn't have E6S5 units 🥲 They have self healing in their kit so they don't need sustains/team. At least in theory.
@kuruzaru but your point was that these character are mid if you don't have op sups like robin, jiaoqiu, rm or fugue, and the tier list was misinformation because of this, but the real point is that, if you don't have any 5* limited sup, feixiao+march+moze is the best team of the game, acheron+pela+any nihility is the best team of the game, firefly+hmc+asta is the best team of the game, boothill+hmc+bronya(if you got her in the standard banner) is the best team of the game. That's why all of these characters are tier 0 or 0,5, because with much less investment you can do a lot with them, but if you are to compare these characters in their f2p comp with a yunli in her best team or with a E6S5 blade, obviously it will make it seem like feixiao, acheron and firefly are mid.
@@celsosousamendonca4738 If I would start HSR today and have current knowledge of the game... I would never even look at the tierlists. I would skip all of them and pull for everything new.
Sunday is gone so kinda womp womp. But I would pull for Herta, Tribbie etc. I would take my time and slowly build real T0 teams/units. Feixiao, Acheron, FF is fine now. But we know that HSR is not GI. All of them will be mid af very soon.
That is why it's not a tierlist for a new/casual players. It's for veterans. New player should ALWAYS invest for the newest shit. Because it will be better than old teams anyway.
The only characters worth pulling on reruns are Sunday, Robin and RM. And obviously sustains like Lingsha or Ave because there is nothing new. It's unclear how much energy new path characters need. But because Sunday gives energy I assume a lot. Maybe Huehue would be good to have if nothing new in a few patches. And that is it. Feixiao, FF, Acheron are ez skip for new players. At least it should be ez skip.
Bro is crying because he doesn’t pull any limited supports womp womp
at the end of the day, everyone should play how the want and enjoy, and for me rappa right now is the most fun unit, but everyone has different preferences
If you are that much of a casual player to not know what Firerly and Rappa do, you woldn't even know what prydwen is
FF clearing Svarog only one action faster than Rappa in content that is suited MUCH more towards FF WHILE HAVING Fugue E1 says more than enough. It should not be that hard to have a better performance if she truly was better than Rappa in any capacity at all lmfao
Fugue's skill has no use for ff, should have used it in hmc
@ashimsy what don't you understand about 50% weakness break efficiency from Fugue E1 you dolt? It's giving a massive boost to her damage AND the speed at which she breaks through the toughness bar to start doing her damage.
@@notquitebro1442 bruh yeah weakness break efficiency is a huge buff but ff is the only one doing the toughness reduction, if it was used on hmc the toughness would reduce twice as fast and ff would have gotten to break during her turn >> wait I'll timestamp you an example 21:06
@@ashimsyfirefly's toughness damage is bigger than HMC, so giving Firefly the 50% weakness break efficiency was a better choice.
Rappa is good, nuff said
The best thing that can happen to a player is getting Fugue at 4 pity, now can save for Aglaea )
I just remember when Rappa release, she is the ONLY ONE DPS FORCE BY COMMUNITY have to have GREAT performance in her bad situation, not event Jingliu, Ratio, DHIL, or other DPS have that treatment
Omg stop shoving skippa down our throats like bro is forcing at this point💀 nobody wants her bro just chill out
What's rappas stats? o.O
Lmao man I need someone to get me Fugue. Rappa is my favorite character I love popping off with her. Guys send me good vibes 🙏
she has to compensate a lot because of her design, people just don't like her so they didn't pull and are trying to justify it
my E0S0 Rappa is wiping the floor with Fugue and I don't even have Ruan Mei
On the 1st half you constantly give Fugues buffs to HTB so her e1 dosnt matter that much anyway.
I hope bro knows hes delvong into a dangerous space, im with yesm FF but some people would go to questionable lengths for this debate
Rappa E0S0 is not dog shit, it just not as comfortable cuz her third attack will came up slower cuz missing 50% action advance and has to build her with more SPD. but dmg wise it not that game breaking difference.
Team: Rappa / FF / Fugue / Linsha .... what lives? There was an enemy? I only see a crater...
I got Fugue for Boothill mainly. and Firefly. and yes, I passed on Rappa.
Hope we get a Ruan mei replacement in the future, she is really good for the Break team, but she was not build to be a break support, you can see this by the fact that she has increase DMG on her kit, a useless ability on the break team, so we can easily get a better character for the role that she serves
But e1 RM is very hard to replace. My dmg goes from 1mln to 1,57mln.
Yeah they already intended e1 fugue to be that, so we won't be seeing a break support probably in the bear future
@@izzme5204i know, but they want Fugue to replace mainly HMC, so they still can improve the Break Team with a new unit to replace Ruan Mei, but yes, it will probably take a while
@@VitorSantos-jh9vc Haha, but that ended up not really working so well as Fugue + HMC is usually > Fugue+ Ruan Mei. That's even more the case at E1.
@@Tiasung I agree HMC + Fugue is better for me, but we are getting RMC in 3.0, we wont be able to use HMC and RMC in different comps, that will be a problem for those who have the Break team, but want to use RMC for the upcoming summon meta, thats Fugue + Ruan Mei is gonna be the prefer option in that case (depending of course on how good RMC will be for the summon meta)
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I think the problem is that in the past you instigated a lot of hate for Firefly players, I dont want to create a war in comments so I want to think that you did it joking or something like that but people could get triggered by comments like that also you are a CC so people expect you to be neutral and not slander or bring hate to characters people like.
They are fictional characters. Anybody taking offense to their slander has mental illness and needs to seek medical help
Yep check his last tierlist video at 22:00
I'll give him the doubt that he is just raging that time
The people who hate firefly want to jump on every opportunity they can to call her bad
I mean they are still salty ff is tier zero 💀what can we do
As a Firefly user and enjoyer I see her issues and know they are right, I know what they are trying to point out, Firefly is not benefiting Fugue while Rappa have room to grow, and from my experience Rappa easily surpass Firefly
Thats why its funny for me, seeing Firefly enjoyers act so prideful getting triggered over critics that are more true than they want to accept it
In the end HSR is a gacha that favorize a lot powercreep, FF is gonna get replaced, everyone will, if you want to use her just do, there's no point raging online cause someone tells you your dps is getting surpassed
they should just put them together in tier 0
new ship Firefly x Rappa
I love my e2 firefly she’s so damn good it’s crazy, did NOT need rappa nor care , clearing all content no issues
ppl r so dumb. Fuga makes Rappa the best dps along with Feixiao. Wake up.
People were posting 0 cycles with Rappa not even wearing a LC 😂
Wtf do you mean Rappa unplayable without her sig or Fugue 😂
She closed all break related content which didn't fit for FF on my account with ease just with that Sunday LC.
She is very flexible unit and just works by herself by design only getting stronger with other characters.
Fugue enables Rappa to stack her talent to 8-10 more frequently and prepare enemies for her to break, so she can do more numbers. But she can't advance the Ninja to the moon like HMC, which works with her in diabolical combination (especially with Sunday now too)
Rappa is good... Tbh, she benefits a lot from Fugue... More instances of break, more buffs...
But then, Fugue benefits a lot from Firefly too... Fugue can't deal toughness for non-fire weak enemies... But due to Firefly's implant, she could contribute better in depleting the toughness bar...
Anyway, I got Firefly first and I don't want any additional superbreak dps... So i'm sticking with my Firefly no matter what...
I have Ruan Mei E0S1, Firefly E0S0 and Rappa E1S1 (Got lucky there) and i can say, witouth Fugue (i want her, but because i pulled for sunday and i want Herta i Will skip her or maybe doing only a multi)
I can Say, Overall on the 3 endgames, FF it's more flexible and easy to use, She's "better" overall because her flexibility on team building and relics/ornaments farming
But, that doesn't mean Rappa it's Bad, Rappa it's exceptionally good Even witouth her Lightcone, obviously, she Will become better because she can do a little more ults, but she has an overall good alternative on gacha cones, so thats it
I think you need replace HMC with Gallagher..because in the future most people will use Remembrance MC...
the truth is Rappa and Boothill are very good characters, there isn't a issue with either of them, the problem is more people are limited in Pulls.
I tried to get Rappa but lost the 50/50. wasted my Garantee on Acheron. (yes wasted).
The whole game is pull 1 Meta DPS that you like the most, then pull 2 Sustain that you love the most. (best they are DPS Sustain/Preservation that is why Aventurine and Lingsha are on top)
Then build up support. so before you even get to enjoy the game. that is where things get tricky. if you are giga whale (sorry 300 bucks isn't cheap for a Character) or super lucky.
You need to pick characters you like the most, let alone slog trough the horrible grind for Traces Relics Lightcons leveling. that is the first priority.
And if you pull a character you DO NOT LIKE at all, it is horrible being forced to grind for a character you do not like. but like all Gacha Games people have their favorite. and will envy others if their favorite are not the BEST.
My C0 Acheron with 4star LC takes 2 turns to build her 500k burst dmg to 5 enemies
My C0 Firefly with 4star LC takes 1 turn to burst using her 400k skill dmg 2 times in 1 to 2 turns for a total of 800k dmg to 3 enemies
My C0 Rappa with 4star LC takes 1 turn to burst using her normal atks with 300k dmg x 1 or 2 in 1 to 3 turns with a total of 900k dmg to 5 enemies
So Rappa is the strongest DPS in HSR today can build her dmg faster than Acheron & Firefly plus with more hits & turns than both of them.
Feixiao obviously is at the bottom of those 3 coz she can only hit 1 enemy at a time.
Thoughts as somone who doesn't have Rappa, but got E2 FF.
E0S0 Rappa and E0S1 Rappa is better than E0S0 and E0S1. With both at Eidolon 1 IMO kinda equal, and FF wins at E2.
Just my opinion, after watching many showcases for both. It's also easier to run no sustain comp with Firefly because of tankiness and healing
Not really tbh. FF can survive for the first cycle of her ultimate but after that she’ll need to use her skill twice and pretty much reduces her HP to 1. It’s doable but totally rng dependent
@@legacymse7095She'll trigger Lingsha's talent or Galla's besotted while draining HP. In sustainess comp, she'll heal back in enhanced state. 1Hp issue is like nonexistent or more of just rng issue.
I you are talking about new player/F2P, use sustain in your team. The difference is not linear.
my e0s0 rappa hits 500k on the current moc, and she's using make the world clamor s5... I DON'T HAVE FUGUE BTW.
I mean yeah, against that one boss in particular that’s made for Rappa, I sure hope you’re doing damage
Probably against the banana boss which is literally made for her lmao.
So it absolutely means nothing.
Okay so pull lingsha is the message of this video
People really overrated Rappa LC. I test it with all E0S0 E0S1 E6S0 E6S1 and E6S5. It’s really playable. 50%action advanced isn’t the end of the world. Bonus energy? Then good luck with firefly after her ult run out.(Need 1-2 skill to recharge)meanwhile Rappa consistently Getting 90-100% energy.