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Hey, I guess you can tell I'm rather excited about this thing! This could go on for another 30 minutes, good job cutting this down into something watchable. :D
Thanks for the great video and break down. You have successfully sold a core 1 to myself when they start shipping! Really curious to see how it handles the new Tullomer filament from Z filaments!
Yeah, I just wish the bed was larger. If so I'd consider purchasing a dozen or so to add to my farm... provided that Prusa doesn't use us as beta testers like they did with the XL. That was the most unreliable machine I had used in 5 years.
You can already fit one or two spools inside the 300mm trident. I like the idea of being able to access them from the outside. How about a two color version of the MMU built into the Core One which uses two spools, one on either side?
I'm really stoked with the design choices, I can't wait to see what people do with it. if I wasn't so deadset on building a voron at the moment, I would be looking at waiting for the release and first reviews of the core one
I thought that bambu is simply better because easier than prusa. But now I used a A1 and P1S for 1 year, my confidence is gaining and also my interest in better "repairability" and modding like you talked about. In Conclusion: Bambu is the Starter Drug and after a while you may need a Prusa :-). And now there is a clean chambered one... Love it!
I started with MK4 then got an A1 to try bambu « high technology » and this will my first and last bambu printer. yeah it print but I don't like the firmware/slicer features, lack of repairability, phone app dependency to just update a firmware... so even with LAN only you still need to ping internet time to time. I also hate the vibrations test/calibration before each prints, make no sense to stress the hardware like that
The designer that did the graphics says, "They'll have different graphics, but who cares about that?" I care my dude, I care! I'll buy more plates just for you!!!
It would have been nice to be able to invert the filament spool to the inside, the inside works like an passively heated dry box anyway. Could also just punch a bunch of holes into the side next to the filament mount and add a door like the dry box they already made. Maybe add a shutter like the one on top Looks like a very well thought out machine 👍
Yeah exactly what I have been wondering about too. Why isolate the spool from the insides when the whole printer can be used as a drybox during printing.
This machine has so much thought put into it and all of it seems like its designed for us, the hobbyists. Amazing to hear a manufacturer talking about modding and the fact that mods and upgrades are at forefront of design of this machine. Instead of closing things down and taking things away, we get the power to use our tools however the heck we want. Even to upgrade older machines into this. Whoever talks crap about this, is just dense. Great job Prusa.
Yeah I am a candidate for a talker. If you have a mk3[s] it costs $580 to upgrade to mk4s then it takes $450 to upgrade to Core one. ($1030) If you were a mk4 user it costs $100 to upgrade to mk4s then it takes $450 to upgrade to Core one ($550) We ignore the elephant in the room playing the Ship of Theseus with Prusa machines. You have ton of extra parts laying unused, time wasted building and more money spent than just buying new and having 2 printers. If your hobby is building printers some folks are in heaven. If your goal is not to waste time and money and want to print this is a bad deal.
Yeh same I was sitting on the fence about which way to go. But the deal is sealed for me now when they said it's possible to pump up the internal heat haha
It is still shocking to think that Sanjay died. I hope his loved ones are well. Great video! The coverage was good and I appreciate Prusa being transparent.
Thank you for this! I've been seriously considering one and more reviews and details increase my confidence that it will be a good machine. I hate paying to beta test expensive products.
The MK4 and MK4S struggled against the Bambu lineup, but this printer looks like it's going to be in a similar price and performance bracket to the X1 Carbon. Both Bambu and Prusa printers are print farm workhouses, so it's going to be interesting what printers people wind up picking up for that application in the next few years.
Prusa eats their own dogfood, they already have many Core One's in their print farm so they will know where all the bugs are. First adopters need not worry about being used as beta testers, Prusa is doing that themselves.
Are you guys smoking crack? The XL was a launch disaster! First adopters were not even beta testers, they were alpha testers. I've sold both my MK3S+ and Mini+. My Mini+ was a real PoS and at one point the MK3 was a fire hazard. Prusa never helped his customer base by recalling faulty parts/products. Prusa fanboys may spit on Bambu but at least Bambu stood behind their products and provided replacement parts.
Was hard to tell as i didnt have one side by side except on the floor of the show, which had alot of ambient noise, but its the same motors/beatings and what not, AND its already in a box so ya, its quiet
I am weirded out about this low key racism of EU vs China tbh. We live in a global market. If the machines were made in India, Taiwan, Africa would that matter?
@@CanuckCreator I don't care where it's made, and calling it made in Europe is misleading since none of the key components are actually made in Europe going by the MK3s/4s parts passports, if you discount the 3D printed parts the % of EU manufactured components drops to about 0. Given the fact that the laser cut steel enclosures for the MK4/Mini are manufactured in China I'm betting that this is the case for the Core One chassis also so even more parts are going to be manufactured in China this time around. There is a reason why they assemble the printers in the US for the North American markets ;) But back to the main topic $1200 without an MMU it's still too expensive for what you get since for $100 more you get the X1C with the AMS or the P1S + AMS for $400 or less, or the naked P1S which is in all honesty probably the closest apples to apples comparison to the Core One for half the pre-order price. And the MMU3 is still miles behind Bambu's AMS and what others like Creality now offer also, and it still costs about double to boot. I see Prusa hasn't been humbled enough yet to get their shit together. Given that the X2 which will likely launch around summer of 2025 and is rumored to be an IDEX with an updated AMS Prusa really needs to step up it's game.
@@personwomanmancameratelevision Every key component of Prusa printers is made in China anyhow, they inflate their parts of origin by counting the printed parts as made in the EU which is technically correct, probably the only 100% European component is the hotend since E3D still only manufactures in the UK. The rest is China, China, China. The printers for the NA market are assembled in Delaware for a reason otherwise they won't pass the required country of origin checks greatly restricts their use in various industries.
At Formnext it was mentioned that the filament storage and buffers for the Core One will be optimized. The person did not want to or could not say anything more precise. But it should be much more compact than before.
Thanks for the forecast! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). What's the best way to send them to Binance?
It would be cheaper to go Go direct to Core one. The mk3 to mk4s kit is $580 mk4s to core one is 450 A core one kit is $950 so there is zero reason to do a double upgrade and toss most of the parts all while spending more.
I really, really hope they overhaul the MMU. The MMU3 for MK4 pissed me off so badly that I might not buy another Prusa until they fix it. Or they could bypass the issue with multiple toolheads or even just idex. I just need something that can allow me to use support materials with ease.
@CanuckCreator If the XL had a properly integrated enclosure like the Core One, I might consider saving up for one. But as it is, it's just too little for way too much money. I just want a 2 tool system with a regular print bed, nothing huge or overly complex. As for the MMU3, the cassette buffer is a joke. I live in a very humid area, and having exposed filament just hanging in the air for possibly an entire day is not feasible. I print from dryboxes while they're running, and spool rewind is the only feasible solution for that. That's aside from the MMU requiring me to fuss over every roll of filament to get it perfectly straight and trim the tip and then feed it manually all the way in, when you can just shove a roll two inches into an AMS feed port and it does the rest. I love the MK4 itself, but the MMU3 has given me nothing but issues. I upgraded to Ultimulti and it has helped a lot, but it's still inexcusable when the AMS exists. If I was willing to buy Bambu, I wouldn't be complaining. But I refuse to give them my business. So it's really frustrating when Prusa can't do something as simple as make their own AMS
@CanuckCreator The internal camera has a cable that looks like a thermestor! How was it connected inside? Do you have to run a usb cable through the pass thru hole that leads to one of the usb-c controller ports?
Its got active controlled vent fans, if you want to add a HEPA filter or exhaust to outside/a filter box just print something, add some magnets and stick it on the back!
Why is the thermal expansion a deal here ? The difference in the thermal expansion of the steel and aluminum under 70C is not going to change the shape of your assembly significantly.. And the chamber is rated for under 60C. It's not a 100 degrees in there. Did anyone with a printer of a volume smaller than 300mm cube ever had an issue of expansion under 60C ?
Yes, its actually a common enough issue with vorons that backer plates to compensate for the warp that happens are commonly used and it does affect things
@@CanuckCreator When I think about it. It would make sense. Vorons are usually bigger and don't have controlled ambient temperature for the chamber. It would be easy to accumulate heat in aluminum and slower in the steel. Then it would be very likely to have more difference in linear expansion than 0.05 mm. Especially while printing ABS in a big Voron.
It has way less holes in the enclosure than most other enclosed 3d printers on the market (the x1/p1 barely gets to 50c for the 60 capable core 1) also if your running the exhaust fan at all, the enclosure will have negative pressure anyways
Can't wait for the MK4S => Core One Kits! Even now updated my MK4 to a MK4S to be ready when they are available ^^ (Only need to think what I do with my enclosure then xD)
correct, which honestly is fine, bed traming isnt really needed on a machine this size, and parts cost between using integrated z motors with leadscrews vs 3 leadscrews and the hardware to connect them isnt that much
@@MaxMichel89Recently had a Z driver go bad on my 2.4 with no visible damage. Bad drivers can happen even on 1 motor. You don't need much current for the Z lead screws, so should be fine. On another note, the electronic box actually looks a decent size. Maybe there will be actual room in there?
What a disapointment. All the time and money spent making the mk4s upgradable is just dumb. Leave bed slingers and cores 2 seperate lines. Now we finally get an enclosed core machine but its 2 years 2 late, too small because "muh upgradability" less features because we spent all the monies & time on r&d for backwards compatibility. Hopefully theres a core one plus in the works that actually gets it right with size and features, and leaves backwards compatability to bedslingers.
its not dumb but i think your thinking about it the wrong way. When your trying to figure out to manufacture a entirely new printer in the west while minimizing costs as much as possible you want to use things you already have experience with and production capabilities for They already have the supply chain and work done making all the mk4 components that are used on the core one, and they are all thoroughly tested and verified to work to boot. And the frame is built using the same method and local supplier that their existing enclosures use The upgradability from mk4-core1 is just a nice bonus
Really excited for it. But... Bit sad it just trams the bed and does not to any fancy ABL. Was sure that was what they were gonna go when they announced the three motors.
Guess not enough motor controllers on the buddy board. But, by going to the bottom to sink the three motors with the bed level, tramming is good enough.
Yup, and while bed traming is cool and all, its really only common in DIY machines, dont see many commercial COREXY ones on the market with it. (not REALLY needed, its more just a cool thing)
O.O Now I want to replace my Adventure 5M Pro I got mid summer. Should have just waited. ;-p I wonder how the MMU3 will work with it since its on the roadmap.
The FF 5m aint a bad machine, just keep it and then you have 2 printers remember, fastest printer is more printer Also MMU3 works just like on the mk4, just attach it to the frame, connect the plug and tell it it now has an MMU
Why is nobody talking about that weird bar that's located across the front of the printer's chamber? That looks like a design flaw, something they couldn't get rid of OR had to add to fix some rigidity issue they were having. No Core XY printer has that feature. It definitely looks out of place, an afterthought
@robertgcode965 that doesn't make any sense. Why would you remove half of the main structure of the printer. Also if you do that the XY gantry would only be supported by the lead screws and smooth rods which are not structural components and are only connected/constrained by the servos. A more logical explanation is that they had to add it to add estructural rigidity because the entire shell is made out of sheet metal which is a really bad choice if your main goal is rigidity. The reason they probably went that route is cost since cast aluminum or aluminum profiles would increase the production costs and therefore they wouldn't be competitive which is the main reason they released the Core One; to be able to compete with Bambu Lab
Ensuring that your COREXY motion system is square is the most critical part of building a coreXY printer, if its not, it will never print right SO you start with a square thats true, and build the frame around it Also the crossbeam is nowhere near in the way in operation, its above the bed so doesnt affect visibility at all and when a print finishes the bed drops to the bottom for easy removal. Also the frame is strong enough to stand on it, Its plenty strong as is
@@CanuckCreator Exactly. You're confirming my point. They couldn't go around it because they chose sheet metal to build the housing instead of cast aluminum or welded steel frame like pretty much every other manufacturer which from a design stand point gives you a lot of advantages which the Core One frame lacks. Since their frame or Exoskeleton how they call it is not a rigid one piece part they couldn't use it as frame for the motion system and instead had to add a separate frame. That's how they ended up with an ugly annoying crossbar right in front of your face every time you open your door. You can see Zuza at 2:00 having a bit of a hard time touching the inside of the enclosure having to go below that bar. It's not a good choice for sure and I bet a lot of people are going to complain about it and are going to hit it more than a few times either with a hand or a tall part. It's just in the way, it's ugly.
@@CanuckCreator Another thing nobody is mentioning are all the wide gaps in the Exoskeleton where one bent part meets another one. That makes the "enclosure" not sealed or at least poorly sealed which will let escape a lot of ultrafine particles and VOCs defeating one of the main purposes of having an enclosed printer
The firmware is open-source and there isn't anything "stolen" in it from Klipper. In the interview, I mentioned our firmware can do something I've heard is not yet easily possible in Klipper.
Having finally talked to a few K2 users, really the only advantage i think it has is size, long term support with any creality machine is a crap-shoot and it AGAIN suffers from a really bad klipper implentation for the FW with a bunch of issues
I have a bunch of 3D printers, but the ones that improve the most after purchase and have long term upgrades and support are the Prusas. Other manufacturers want me to buy a new machine from scratch every few years.
I've only had Creality printers so far, but if I'm spending that kind of money, it's coming from Prague. I've seen great things about the K2, but I wouldn't pick it over the Core One, personally.
Why have 3 z motors instead of 1 motor 3 leadscrews and a belt system. This is a weird choice having 3 motors run by 1 driver. If you have 3 motors, marlin can do g34, this isn't a budget machine, what are they saving by not adding 2 driver expansion? 2 years to make a bambu competitor, and it is 2x the price of a p1s, and is smaller. But, sure it's built well, and has inset walls for activities. I guess counting on tariffs to make bambus more expensive...
For a $1k printer, you expect more It has a lot of gaps because of the frame design, so you can't print with plastics that emit all sorts of odors and substances when heated Why three motors on the Z? One is enough and align the table once like in k1, it just adds cost. Three motors made, and adding another linear rod for the bed saved money
I get what your saying with the frame gaps, i THINK they look worse on camera cus of the bright LEDs inside the printer but in person they are pretty slim and also, compared to the massive holes on the frame of another 1k$ printer (the bambulab x1c) this printer is MUCH better enclosed (and gets higher chamber temps which confirms) As for the 3 motors, only way to have the bed move and also be able to utilize the dead zoon beside the bed to decrease chamber volume as well.
If you want the frame better sealed, that's a roll of tape away. Oh, and they're doing a filtration system - so long as it can operate under negative pressure while maintaining chamber temperature, nothing will come out the frame.. As for the Z motors, it adds material cost while substantially reducing time required. Labour is not free in the developed world. It also leaves open the possibility of adding two extra drivers if you really, desperately need the bed trammed better than stalling against the frame achieves (you don't).
The gaps are the intake for the filtration system, so as long as that's on you probably don't have to worry about odors. And all materials emit VOCs by the way, it's not just ABS etc.
I thought the same thing when bambu released the x1, which did everything my voron from 5 years previously had done. Cant compare things in that way, if its good, its good, if its bad, its bad, doesnt really matter when it came out.
@@CanuckCreator I disagree, the X1C prints far far better than both my Vorons, and it just did it out of the box. Its not perfect but my oh my was I impressed. When i look at the Prusa Core One, I think... what does this do better than the X1C? And I cant think of anything. Id much prefer to give my money to a European company but when its so far behind the competition its just no feasible. I can get an X1C in the uk with AMs for £1,099.00 GBP For the Prusa machine its £1,138.80 and that without any form of AMS. I think if it was the price of the P1S which arguably its more similar to, then maybe it could sway me. But no way am I paying that price for such a basic machine.
@@Festivejelly P1S doesn't have active filtration or a 120˚C bed. And cannot be easily repaired. With the build plates carried over from the MK4S it can print nylon and PP. Can't do that easily even on the X1E.
Took expensive for me. And this should have been out years ago. I'm looking forward to a cheaper mk4 though. I just think other corexy machines are better by now, as they are releasing their second interation. If the core one were bigger, I could see it being more competitive. So whatever to vorons? People don't want them anymore? I feel like the 3d printers are advancing steadily, nothing game changing. But the popularity of 3d printers have gone way down I feel. Do people get excited for corexy machines anymore? I think the 3d printer market consist of bambulabs and everyone else at this point.
@mistamal Competition thats made in locations where wages, safeties and standards are lower You just cannot build similiar type products cheaper that some other markets I know that, you know that, it is what it is AND ALSO its very similiar in price to a X1C which is "competish"
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I've seen a lot of videos on the Core One and this is the best one yet. Excellent Job!
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!
Hey, I guess you can tell I'm rather excited about this thing! This could go on for another 30 minutes, good job cutting this down into something watchable. :D
Can you switch the sidepanels, so the filament is hanging on the left side?
@@sttcnoyes, I've seen someone confirming it.
I think many of us are excited by this machine. Most importantly what will the cost be..
@@TripleJAu it's been up on the Prusa website since November. US$1199, more with shipping and taxes. Kit is $949
Thanks for the great video and break down. You have successfully sold a core 1 to myself when they start shipping! Really curious to see how it handles the new Tullomer filament from Z filaments!
Bed status led -> knight rider mod
Yyyyeeeessss
YESSSSSSS and add speakers to make the sounds when it's finished printing 👀
Larson scanners on everything
And GPIO -> DAC -> Speaker for the "woosh woosh" sound of KITT scanner
@@hellfighter67 Just make the stepper motors play the theme.
Yup, I want one. But I want to build the kit, that part is fun.
Exactly
Sameee, if I have the option to build it I always would choose that
I asked at Printed Solid if and when they will be selling the kit. Hopefully late March.
Haha couldn't disagree more. I do see where you are coming from though.
This is the exact printer I’ve always wanted from a company like Prusa. A perfect balance of form, function, quality, cost and corporate ethics.
Yeah, I just wish the bed was larger. If so I'd consider purchasing a dozen or so to add to my farm... provided that Prusa doesn't use us as beta testers like they did with the XL. That was the most unreliable machine I had used in 5 years.
You’re speaking my language! This is exactly
Now we need to replace the Trident side panels below the Y extrusions with indented pockets like that for spools.
For sure!
You can already fit one or two spools inside the 300mm trident. I like the idea of being able to access them from the outside. How about a two color version of the MMU built into the Core One which uses two spools, one on either side?
@@KennethScharf How about a dual extruder toolhead with each extruder feeding from one spool?
Why fit them outside if you can fit them inside?
I'm really stoked with the design choices, I can't wait to see what people do with it. if I wasn't so deadset on building a voron at the moment, I would be looking at waiting for the release and first reviews of the core one
That looks brilliant. And being able to convert a Mk4 to one is the icing on the cake.
Bambulab pushes Prusa to next level! Good…no…great job Prusa!
The placement of the filament spool holder is just genius
If the belts take it this would be more of a candidate for high temp. Since the expansion coefficients are close.
Toolhead electronics would be the limiting factor i believe, but that could be worked around with some methods and design changes
Great video, appreciate the relaxed format! I also want One.
I thought that bambu is simply better because easier than prusa. But now I used a A1 and P1S for 1 year, my confidence is gaining and also my interest in better "repairability" and modding like you talked about. In Conclusion: Bambu is the Starter Drug and after a while you may need a Prusa :-). And now there is a clean chambered one... Love it!
I started with MK4 then got an A1 to try bambu « high technology » and this will my first and last bambu printer. yeah it print but I don't like the firmware/slicer features, lack of repairability, phone app dependency to just update a firmware... so even with LAN only you still need to ping internet time to time. I also hate the vibrations test/calibration before each prints, make no sense to stress the hardware like that
The designer that did the graphics says, "They'll have different graphics, but who cares about that?"
I care my dude, I care! I'll buy more plates just for you!!!
I don't really need it, but I really like everything about this machine......
It would have been nice to be able to invert the filament spool to the inside, the inside works like an passively heated dry box anyway. Could also just punch a bunch of holes into the side next to the filament mount and add a door like the dry box they already made. Maybe add a shutter like the one on top
Looks like a very well thought out machine 👍
Print a door for itm drill some holes and send it
Flip the panel facing out. Bish bash bosh!
Yeah exactly what I have been wondering about too. Why isolate the spool from the insides when the whole printer can be used as a drybox during printing.
@@TNX255the side panel is just some thin metal. It should get fairly warm. Add a door to the outside and boom! Heated filament storage.
That Uncle Jessy clip makes me laugh every single time.
This, a little bit wider as idex (one spool left one spool right) sub 1500$ would be a killer machine.
Looking forward to the reviews, hopefully by then the kit will be available.
1)Ok no extrusion means: no hacking! No easy mounts, no extended sizes by swapping longer extrusion and definitely hatder to 3d model!
I think my first prusa is gonna be a core one. I really like the mk4s but it was way out of my price bracket when I bought my a1 combo.
This machine has so much thought put into it and all of it seems like its designed for us, the hobbyists. Amazing to hear a manufacturer talking about modding and the fact that mods and upgrades are at forefront of design of this machine. Instead of closing things down and taking things away, we get the power to use our tools however the heck we want. Even to upgrade older machines into this. Whoever talks crap about this, is just dense. Great job Prusa.
Yeah I am a candidate for a talker.
If you have a mk3[s] it costs $580 to upgrade to mk4s
then it takes $450 to upgrade to Core one. ($1030)
If you were a mk4 user it costs $100 to upgrade to mk4s
then it takes $450 to upgrade to Core one ($550)
We ignore the elephant in the room playing the Ship of Theseus with Prusa machines.
You have ton of extra parts laying unused, time wasted building and more money spent than just buying new and having 2 printers. If your hobby is building printers some folks are in heaven.
If your goal is not to waste time and money and want to print this is a bad deal.
Yeah, I'm getting the kit.
best video I've seen yet on the Core One. Canadian so I might be biased ;)
Thank for an outstanding video filled with important details. I am serious considering adding one to my collection.
That is one cool printer. Can’t wait to get one.
I'm a huge Bambu fan, but the core one is very impressive. Great job by Prusa!
Yeh same I was sitting on the fence about which way to go. But the deal is sealed for me now when they said it's possible to pump up the internal heat haha
Awesome video. I love smart engineering, and this printer is just full of great design. I was pretty excited before, now I'm really hyped.
Aesthetics & Functionality. The craftsmanship is unmatched. Wish they would have released this gem a bit sooner.
Looking forward to this upgrade.
It is still shocking to think that Sanjay died. I hope his loved ones are well.
Great video! The coverage was good and I appreciate Prusa being transparent.
Thank you for this! I've been seriously considering one and more reviews and details increase my confidence that it will be a good machine. I hate paying to beta test expensive products.
I’m looking for a new printer to replace my frankensteined Ender 3, this one will be the top one on the list if reviews are good.
Looking forward to my Mk4s Sidegrade to CoreOne :-D
The MK4 and MK4S struggled against the Bambu lineup, but this printer looks like it's going to be in a similar price and performance bracket to the X1 Carbon. Both Bambu and Prusa printers are print farm workhouses, so it's going to be interesting what printers people wind up picking up for that application in the next few years.
Prusa eats their own dogfood, they already have many Core One's in their print farm so they will know where all the bugs are. First adopters need not worry about being used as beta testers, Prusa is doing that themselves.
@@KennethScharfExactly just like the XL and the MK4
Are you guys smoking crack? The XL was a launch disaster! First adopters were not even beta testers, they were alpha testers. I've sold both my MK3S+ and Mini+. My Mini+ was a real PoS and at one point the MK3 was a fire hazard. Prusa never helped his customer base by recalling faulty parts/products. Prusa fanboys may spit on Bambu but at least Bambu stood behind their products and provided replacement parts.
Im so excited for this printer
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So excited for this! You mentioned it was very quiet - even more so than a MK4S, I assume?
Was hard to tell as i didnt have one side by side except on the floor of the show, which had alot of ambient noise, but its the same motors/beatings and what not, AND its already in a box
so ya, its quiet
Really awesome , love prusa. I hope they have an ams competitor soon for it.
As long as it's not $2000 the X1C might have a competitor, the P1/P1S on the otherhand will still likely eat this thing for lunch....
Its available for pre-order on the site
Pre-assembled is 1199 USD
Kit is 949 USD
So very much in-line with x1c pricing (and its also made in the EU)
I am weirded out about this low key racism of EU vs China tbh.
We live in a global market. If the machines were made in India, Taiwan, Africa would that matter?
@@CanuckCreator I don't care where it's made, and calling it made in Europe is misleading since none of the key components are actually made in Europe going by the MK3s/4s parts passports, if you discount the 3D printed parts the % of EU manufactured components drops to about 0. Given the fact that the laser cut steel enclosures for the MK4/Mini are manufactured in China I'm betting that this is the case for the Core One chassis also so even more parts are going to be manufactured in China this time around.
There is a reason why they assemble the printers in the US for the North American markets ;)
But back to the main topic $1200 without an MMU it's still too expensive for what you get since for $100 more you get the X1C with the AMS or the P1S + AMS for $400 or less, or the naked P1S which is in all honesty probably the closest apples to apples comparison to the Core One for half the pre-order price.
And the MMU3 is still miles behind Bambu's AMS and what others like Creality now offer also, and it still costs about double to boot. I see Prusa hasn't been humbled enough yet to get their shit together.
Given that the X2 which will likely launch around summer of 2025 and is rumored to be an IDEX with an updated AMS Prusa really needs to step up it's game.
@@personwomanmancameratelevision Every key component of Prusa printers is made in China anyhow, they inflate their parts of origin by counting the printed parts as made in the EU which is technically correct, probably the only 100% European component is the hotend since E3D still only manufactures in the UK. The rest is China, China, China.
The printers for the NA market are assembled in Delaware for a reason otherwise they won't pass the required country of origin checks greatly restricts their use in various industries.
@@DOGMA1138 k
Yeah i might get this one tbh, i'm so over the whole DIY coreXY aspect.. i just want something that works now thanks xD
Has there been any mention of a MMU re-design to look more like an AMS?
Is that even a thing? I havent heard anything
At Formnext it was mentioned that the filament storage and buffers for the Core One will be optimized.
The person did not want to or could not say anything more precise. But it should be much more compact than before.
if they made the printer a bit wider, it' could be IDEX, there's already space for 2 spools
I'd make it deeper so it could be IDEX with dual X gantrys.
Hoping the enclosure temperature control gets ported over to the XL
To really work you'd need a proper enclosure on the xl that isn't full of holes. It's already actively cool by design 😄
So they are running "some pieces of klipper motion".
*Some pieces of Marlin motion planner, my bad if I said Klipper.
Ah damn.... Should i now save up for Prusa Core one or the QIDI Plus4 ...
Thanks for the forecast! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). What's the best way to send them to Binance?
I’m still waiting on my mk4s upgrade kit to finish, shipping estimate keeps getting pushed back 😢
I'm waiting to do my MK3 > MK4 upgrade for when the MK4 > core one conversion kits come out. Kill two birds with one stone.
It would be cheaper to go Go direct to Core one.
The mk3 to mk4s kit is $580
mk4s to core one is 450
A core one kit is $950 so there is zero reason to do a double upgrade and toss most of the parts all while spending more.
@@No0o0o0o0o0 @LilApe Also you keep 2 working printers!
I really, really hope they overhaul the MMU. The MMU3 for MK4 pissed me off so badly that I might not buy another Prusa until they fix it.
Or they could bypass the issue with multiple toolheads or even just idex. I just need something that can allow me to use support materials with ease.
you know they have a toolchanger already?
Also, what issues have you had with the mmu3? mines been rock solid so far
@CanuckCreator If the XL had a properly integrated enclosure like the Core One, I might consider saving up for one. But as it is, it's just too little for way too much money. I just want a 2 tool system with a regular print bed, nothing huge or overly complex.
As for the MMU3, the cassette buffer is a joke. I live in a very humid area, and having exposed filament just hanging in the air for possibly an entire day is not feasible. I print from dryboxes while they're running, and spool rewind is the only feasible solution for that. That's aside from the MMU requiring me to fuss over every roll of filament to get it perfectly straight and trim the tip and then feed it manually all the way in, when you can just shove a roll two inches into an AMS feed port and it does the rest.
I love the MK4 itself, but the MMU3 has given me nothing but issues. I upgraded to Ultimulti and it has helped a lot, but it's still inexcusable when the AMS exists.
If I was willing to buy Bambu, I wouldn't be complaining. But I refuse to give them my business. So it's really frustrating when Prusa can't do something as simple as make their own AMS
I’m curious to see if this camera option is just a modified buddy3d (3d printed housing), or a whole seperate unit.
I believe it's along the same lines. Since prusa printers don't have an soc on em running Linux. Any camera has to be it's own thing essentially
@CanuckCreator The internal camera has a cable that looks like a thermestor!
How was it connected inside?
Do you have to run a usb cable through the pass thru hole that leads to one of the usb-c controller ports?
Is the upgrade kit worth it, or would it really be better to get the full kit?
Hard to say as no one has one yet
Depends if you want two printers or one.
I want one (I guess we all do ;-))
I’m imagining a mmu4 on this
Will there be a kit to allow users to convert it to a MK4S? 😂
who wants that?
@ it was a joke
I thought you had gotten a review unit 😂. Nice job.
soon!
@@CanuckCreator Was there no opportunity at SMMRF to just grab one and run away with it?
too big to count as a carry on unfortunatly
@@CanuckCreator Not with that attitude. Should've disassembled it and fit in carry on.
What about the filtration system, not at all 🤔 ?
Its got active controlled vent fans, if you want to add a HEPA filter or exhaust to outside/a filter box just print something, add some magnets and stick it on the back!
@CanuckCreator sounds great, thanks for information
how much dos it cost with the shipping added on
Why is the thermal expansion a deal here ? The difference in the thermal expansion of the steel and aluminum under 70C is not going to change the shape of your assembly significantly.. And the chamber is rated for under 60C. It's not a 100 degrees in there. Did anyone with a printer of a volume smaller than 300mm cube ever had an issue of expansion under 60C ?
Yes, its actually a common enough issue with vorons that backer plates to compensate for the warp that happens are commonly used and it does affect things
@@CanuckCreator When I think about it. It would make sense. Vorons are usually bigger and don't have controlled ambient temperature for the chamber. It would be easy to accumulate heat in aluminum and slower in the steel. Then it would be very likely to have more difference in linear expansion than 0.05 mm. Especially while printing ABS in a big Voron.
Prusa is good at thinking about how people use their machines. That is what makes the difference. Great video Taylor.
Will a Nevermore fit in there somehow?
Maybe, theres plenty of room UNDER the bottom panel as well, so if your not adverse to drilling some holes.....
The build plate is still pretty small for what it is.
Can prusa make a 2D paper printer?
Really didn't like these holes in steel sheet, a lot of heat eascapes through it
It has way less holes in the enclosure than most other enclosed 3d printers on the market (the x1/p1 barely gets to 50c for the 60 capable core 1)
also if your running the exhaust fan at all, the enclosure will have negative pressure anyways
Can't wait for the MK4S => Core One Kits! Even now updated my MK4 to a MK4S to be ready when they are available ^^
(Only need to think what I do with my enclosure then xD)
Maybe somethin for filament storage? Everyone can always use some filament storage lol
ohhhh Noctua!!!
Really all 3 Z Motors on 1 Driver?
correct, which honestly is fine, bed traming isnt really needed on a machine this size, and parts cost between using integrated z motors with leadscrews vs 3 leadscrews and the hardware to connect them isnt that much
@@CanuckCreatorI saw a Video from a UA-camr where His z-moto Controller broke (but wirh the prusa XL)
@@MaxMichel89Recently had a Z driver go bad on my 2.4 with no visible damage. Bad drivers can happen even on 1 motor. You don't need much current for the Z lead screws, so should be fine.
On another note, the electronic box actually looks a decent size. Maybe there will be actual room in there?
@@MaxMichel89 that was robert cowan
Yes i have seen the Video from Robert Cowan too. Thats why i asked here :)
What a disapointment. All the time and money spent making the mk4s upgradable is just dumb. Leave bed slingers and cores 2 seperate lines. Now we finally get an enclosed core machine but its 2 years 2 late, too small because "muh upgradability" less features because we spent all the monies & time on r&d for backwards compatibility.
Hopefully theres a core one plus in the works that actually gets it right with size and features, and leaves backwards compatability to bedslingers.
its not dumb but i think your thinking about it the wrong way.
When your trying to figure out to manufacture a entirely new printer in the west while minimizing costs as much as possible you want to use things you already have experience with and production capabilities for
They already have the supply chain and work done making all the mk4 components that are used on the core one, and they are all thoroughly tested and verified to work to boot. And the frame is built using the same method and local supplier that their existing enclosures use
The upgradability from mk4-core1 is just a nice bonus
@@CanuckCreator 3D printing produces waste, it's nice to see Prusa reduce waste by reusing parts, reduce purge using MMU3 etc.
Really excited for it. But... Bit sad it just trams the bed and does not to any fancy ABL. Was sure that was what they were gonna go when they announced the three motors.
Guess not enough motor controllers on the buddy board. But, by going to the bottom to sink the three motors with the bed level, tramming is good enough.
Yup, and while bed traming is cool and all, its really only common in DIY machines, dont see many commercial COREXY ones on the market with it. (not REALLY needed, its more just a cool thing)
@@CanuckCreator If bed tramming is needed, it means the bed is probably warped.
O.O
Now I want to replace my Adventure 5M Pro I got mid summer. Should have just waited. ;-p
I wonder how the MMU3 will work with it since its on the roadmap.
The FF 5m aint a bad machine, just keep it and then you have 2 printers
remember, fastest printer is more printer
Also MMU3 works just like on the mk4, just attach it to the frame, connect the plug and tell it it now has an MMU
Why is nobody talking about that weird bar that's located across the front of the printer's chamber? That looks like a design flaw, something they couldn't get rid of OR had to add to fix some rigidity issue they were having. No Core XY printer has that feature. It definitely looks out of place, an afterthought
Not really an afterthougt. It's the base plate of the XY gantry. Needs to be rectangular because it allows you to remove half of the outside shell.
@robertgcode965 that doesn't make any sense. Why would you remove half of the main structure of the printer. Also if you do that the XY gantry would only be supported by the lead screws and smooth rods which are not structural components and are only connected/constrained by the servos. A more logical explanation is that they had to add it to add estructural rigidity because the entire shell is made out of sheet metal which is a really bad choice if your main goal is rigidity. The reason they probably went that route is cost since cast aluminum or aluminum profiles would increase the production costs and therefore they wouldn't be competitive which is the main reason they released the Core One; to be able to compete with Bambu Lab
Ensuring that your COREXY motion system is square is the most critical part of building a coreXY printer, if its not, it will never print right
SO you start with a square thats true, and build the frame around it
Also the crossbeam is nowhere near in the way in operation, its above the bed so doesnt affect visibility at all and when a print finishes the bed drops to the bottom for easy removal.
Also the frame is strong enough to stand on it, Its plenty strong as is
@@CanuckCreator Exactly. You're confirming my point. They couldn't go around it because they chose sheet metal to build the housing instead of cast aluminum or welded steel frame like pretty much every other manufacturer which from a design stand point gives you a lot of advantages which the Core One frame lacks. Since their frame or Exoskeleton how they call it is not a rigid one piece part they couldn't use it as frame for the motion system and instead had to add a separate frame. That's how they ended up with an ugly annoying crossbar right in front of your face every time you open your door. You can see Zuza at 2:00 having a bit of a hard time touching the inside of the enclosure having to go below that bar. It's not a good choice for sure and I bet a lot of people are going to complain about it and are going to hit it more than a few times either with a hand or a tall part. It's just in the way, it's ugly.
@@CanuckCreator Another thing nobody is mentioning are all the wide gaps in the Exoskeleton where one bent part meets another one. That makes the "enclosure" not sealed or at least poorly sealed which will let escape a lot of ultrafine particles and VOCs defeating one of the main purposes of having an enclosed printer
so they stole code from klipper, but won't release it? sounds like a broken license to me...
ummm
wut?
you DO know the FW for prusa machines are open sourced already?
The firmware is open-source and there isn't anything "stolen" in it from Klipper. In the interview, I mentioned our firmware can do something I've heard is not yet easily possible in Klipper.
Cheapest possible design that is sold for $1200, yeah, much better than Voron or Creality :)
I've got both and can't wait to get my hands on a core one.
It is reminiscent of the concept and execution of the E3NG i.e. the overdone ender 3 pro...
I loved the aesthetics of the printer until I realized it had that ugly crossbar right in your face every time you open the door
Fair, but why would you put your face in there?
I’m sure it will sell well. But if I had to choose between this and the k2. I would get like a k2. They are a few years too late.
Having finally talked to a few K2 users, really the only advantage i think it has is size, long term support with any creality machine is a crap-shoot and it AGAIN suffers from a really bad klipper implentation for the FW with a bunch of issues
I have a bunch of 3D printers, but the ones that improve the most after purchase and have long term upgrades and support are the Prusas. Other manufacturers want me to buy a new machine from scratch every few years.
@ I get that but aren’t you consuming 1 printer to get a new printer? Why not just have 2 printers.
I've only had Creality printers so far, but if I'm spending that kind of money, it's coming from Prague. I've seen great things about the K2, but I wouldn't pick it over the Core One, personally.
Why have 3 z motors instead of 1 motor 3 leadscrews and a belt system. This is a weird choice having 3 motors run by 1 driver. If you have 3 motors, marlin can do g34, this isn't a budget machine, what are they saving by not adding 2 driver expansion? 2 years to make a bambu competitor, and it is 2x the price of a p1s, and is smaller. But, sure it's built well, and has inset walls for activities. I guess counting on tariffs to make bambus more expensive...
For a $1k printer, you expect more
It has a lot of gaps because of the frame design, so you can't print with plastics that emit all sorts of odors and substances when heated
Why three motors on the Z? One is enough and align the table once like in k1, it just adds cost. Three motors made, and adding another linear rod for the bed saved money
I get what your saying with the frame gaps, i THINK they look worse on camera cus of the bright LEDs inside the printer but in person they are pretty slim and also, compared to the massive holes on the frame of another 1k$ printer (the bambulab x1c) this printer is MUCH better enclosed (and gets higher chamber temps which confirms)
As for the 3 motors, only way to have the bed move and also be able to utilize the dead zoon beside the bed to decrease chamber volume as well.
If you want the frame better sealed, that's a roll of tape away. Oh, and they're doing a filtration system - so long as it can operate under negative pressure while maintaining chamber temperature, nothing will come out the frame..
As for the Z motors, it adds material cost while substantially reducing time required. Labour is not free in the developed world. It also leaves open the possibility of adding two extra drivers if you really, desperately need the bed trammed better than stalling against the frame achieves (you don't).
The gaps are the intake for the filtration system, so as long as that's on you probably don't have to worry about odors. And all materials emit VOCs by the way, it's not just ABS etc.
@@CanuckCreator massive hole is an understatement. X1C has a giant anus for the poop to come out from.
I'm hoping the multiple Z motors pave the way for a future 5 axis mod, since it can theoretically tilt the bed.
My thoughts on this was... Meh. 3 or 4 years ago this would be amazing... but now its like... eeh its okay I guess.
I thought the same thing when bambu released the x1, which did everything my voron from 5 years previously had done.
Cant compare things in that way, if its good, its good, if its bad, its bad, doesnt really matter when it came out.
@@CanuckCreator I disagree, the X1C prints far far better than both my Vorons, and it just did it out of the box. Its not perfect but my oh my was I impressed.
When i look at the Prusa Core One, I think... what does this do better than the X1C? And I cant think of anything. Id much prefer to give my money to a European company but when its so far behind the competition its just no feasible.
I can get an X1C in the uk with AMs for £1,099.00 GBP
For the Prusa machine its £1,138.80 and that without any form of AMS.
I think if it was the price of the P1S which arguably its more similar to, then maybe it could sway me. But no way am I paying that price for such a basic machine.
It's your money. Spend it how ya want.
@@Festivejelly P1S doesn't have active filtration or a 120˚C bed. And cannot be easily repaired. With the build plates carried over from the MK4S it can print nylon and PP. Can't do that easily even on the X1E.
Took expensive for me. And this should have been out years ago. I'm looking forward to a cheaper mk4 though. I just think other corexy machines are better by now, as they are releasing their second interation. If the core one were bigger, I could see it being more competitive. So whatever to vorons? People don't want them anymore?
I feel like the 3d printers are advancing steadily, nothing game changing. But the popularity of 3d printers have gone way down I feel. Do people get excited for corexy machines anymore? I think the 3d printer market consist of bambulabs and everyone else at this point.
Basically, it's just a glorified K1.
uhhhhh, no? lol
Have you used a k1 and a prusa, cus i have and they are nowhere near on the same level other than make plastic boat
@@CanuckCreator it's like trying to explain the difference between a mystery meat patty and A5 wagyu to someone who refuses to understand.
Only 2000 dolars guys a real steal
$949 for the kit, $1199 for assembled. ;)
only off by half, but good try
Still 40% more than the competish
@mistamal Competition thats made in locations where wages, safeties and standards are lower
You just cannot build similiar type products cheaper that some other markets
I know that, you know that, it is what it is
AND ALSO
its very similiar in price to a X1C which is "competish"
Good luck, seems like good engineering went into the product
so just another Core XY printer at a higher price
K
..and it's stupidly expensive. that tracks.
K
$949 for the kit, $1199 for assembled. ;)