On a somewhat related topic, I've noticed that the point of "my job is safe" is a pretty common talking point these days. But the reality is nobody's job is safe to a certain point, even in the CNC field. A great example is the famous company proto-mold - I toured there two years ago...their CAM system is completely automated. It was horrendously expensive for them to develop, but it's done now, and these days they have at most 2 people per row of 16 machines. All they have to do is load softjaw blanks into the vises and the CAM is laid out automatically for that too. Those programming jobs are effectively gone and once they start licensing the software out to other companies...well you know where I'm going. No job is safe forever!
Quite true! Even things like feature-based machining in current commercial programs or the intuitive design in Fusion really points towards more AI in the whole programming and design process. It’s going to be “interesting” from a clinical standpoint to see how it progresses - as it may be much more painful than entertaining for those of us who aren’t owners of massive facilities!
Awesome topic and format on this video. I think this sounds like a very important topic to at least theoretically explore. Not saying that this exact idea is a viable one, but I do think that automation is advancing at an exponential rate as a direct impact of how rapidly technology is advancing in our world today, and this will have a certain impact on the job market, and thereby on the economy, and ultimately on society as a whole, an impact that we are probably going to need to address in some way. So being informed of social theories on how to deal with this, and being part of the conversation about how it should be dealt with is indeed the responsibility of the leaders of our industry, especially so for the small to medium sized business owners and workers who stand to be impacted most heavily by any unfair economic policies that may make their way through the cracks if they're not paid attention to
Without CNC machines I’d be dead in the water, they take care of all the boring and monotonous jobs in my shop. Since I am working by myself CNCs are the perfect solution. Sure I have some manual machines in my shop, but they are just catching dust. Happy New Year anyway.😀👍
Sweet lord, not much better in Toronto. We got this place for $110k, but we’re also in the middle of nowhere on well water and septic - didn’t hurt it’s an 1865 farmhouse with literally no insulation before we got here and floors that still look like a carnival funhouse upstairs! The kitchen is all new - all renovated recently which is why my range hood still ducts to nowhere.
Wow this is a scary thought. Let’s hope this remains just what it is, a scary and crazy thought. Good to see you man. Always enjoy your videos, especially your motivational type ones. I hope the brew comes out great for ya. Cheers from Cleveland, OH. 🍻
I agree - there are wayyyyy too many variables with things like construction or new roads or pulling over for emergency vehicles for me to take it seriously right now.
This is going to happen. Its just a matter of time will it be next year or 10 to 20 years away ? Its not all bad. If everyone has a basic income some will do very little given the opportunity . Others will create and drive humanity further forward technologically. Good on Canada for having this conversation as a lot of other countries are not even recognizing that this is going to happen. The world is changing and we must change with it.
I think that cnc machines should be excluded from this tax because i don't really see them as automation equipment. While they do most of the work themselves you have to program them set them up and do a lot of preparation and other stuff. And even after this you still need somebody to load the parts. Besides who are cnc machines replacing? The manual machinists? Not really. Not many people do manual machining and even if they do they cant really compare themselves to what can be achieved on a cnc mill or lathe. Tldr; I think that cnc machines themselves don't replace humans and shouldn't be viewed as automation equipment if they don't have an automated part loading system.
I agree with you fully. I guess it’s going to depend - if this even becomes a thing - what qualifies as automation. I think people unfamiliar with CNC machines think it’s a hell of a lot more automated than it is.
You're definitely right. According to the robotics industrial association (which is a US organization but still) CNC equipment and other machines that need to be tended by a person all qualify as "hard automation" because they aren't multi-purpose machines that can be reconfigured for other tasks, unlike a robot. Though more complex, CNCs are the same type of automation as a keurig/ninja coffee machine lol
Im in Toronto Ontario and if you know any machinist that needs a job my company needs 3 lol I dont find automation a problem but lack of skilled trades people.
@@LetsMachine Your Dad probably used to joke about welding a trailer hitch to his tool box or say there was a handle on his Gerstner for a reason. Machinists used to move around all the time to follow the work. There is also the embarrassing reality that a lot of shops aren't worth working for. I am beyond fed-up with decrepit dungeons with no windows and filthy machines...
I hear ya, I don’t advocate enduring horseshit conditions by any means and I don’t say people shouldn’t work to see what’s out there - all I’m saying is that if I see a pattern of legit 6 places for 2 months each, that’s probably not an investment in someone I want to make. We put a lot into our staff and I try my best to get people who can flourish under that - I hope you get what I mean!
Welcome to communist Canada, where we progressively remove any incentive to work, and increase the incentive to not work. Where we complain the jobs are being taken by automation but we put a gun to the head of our employers and force them to pay more for labour than what the value of the task is actually worth, making it cheaper for them to simply automate the task. Robots don't need holidays, smoke breaks, lunchbreaks, overtime pay, sleep, they don't sue for injury, show up late, go on strike, or get pregnant. Don't want your jobs to be taken by robots? Stop demanding and legislating things from employers that make it harder for them to employ you.
Excellent video. Good topic to monitor for all of us in manufacturing, everywhere.
Thank you sir!
No more power feed on your Bridgeport gotta turn that handle by hand
On a somewhat related topic, I've noticed that the point of "my job is safe" is a pretty common talking point these days. But the reality is nobody's job is safe to a certain point, even in the CNC field. A great example is the famous company proto-mold - I toured there two years ago...their CAM system is completely automated. It was horrendously expensive for them to develop, but it's done now, and these days they have at most 2 people per row of 16 machines. All they have to do is load softjaw blanks into the vises and the CAM is laid out automatically for that too. Those programming jobs are effectively gone and once they start licensing the software out to other companies...well you know where I'm going. No job is safe forever!
Quite true! Even things like feature-based machining in current commercial programs or the intuitive design in Fusion really points towards more AI in the whole programming and design process. It’s going to be “interesting” from a clinical standpoint to see how it progresses - as it may be much more painful than entertaining for those of us who aren’t owners of massive facilities!
Awesome topic and format on this video. I think this sounds like a very important topic to at least theoretically explore. Not saying that this exact idea is a viable one, but I do think that automation is advancing at an exponential rate as a direct impact of how rapidly technology is advancing in our world today, and this will have a certain impact on the job market, and thereby on the economy, and ultimately on society as a whole, an impact that we are probably going to need to address in some way. So being informed of social theories on how to deal with this, and being part of the conversation about how it should be dealt with is indeed the responsibility of the leaders of our industry, especially so for the small to medium sized business owners and workers who stand to be impacted most heavily by any unfair economic policies that may make their way through the cracks if they're not paid attention to
Without CNC machines I’d be dead in the water, they take care of all the boring and monotonous jobs in my shop. Since I am working by myself CNCs are the perfect solution. Sure I have some manual machines in my shop, but they are just catching dust. Happy New Year anyway.😀👍
If they're talking about it you better get ready for it. I'm in California and they tax everything and then some.
At least you have a kitchen, in California we sleep in our cars. Houses start at $1M
Sweet lord, not much better in Toronto. We got this place for $110k, but we’re also in the middle of nowhere on well water and septic - didn’t hurt it’s an 1865 farmhouse with literally no insulation before we got here and floors that still look like a carnival funhouse upstairs! The kitchen is all new - all renovated recently which is why my range hood still ducts to nowhere.
Wow this is a scary thought. Let’s hope this remains just what it is, a scary and crazy thought. Good to see you man. Always enjoy your videos, especially your motivational type ones. I hope the brew comes out great for ya. Cheers from Cleveland, OH. 🍻
Thank you sir! I agree, I hope it’s just a real bad idea that gets recognized for what it is, and quickly at that. Thanks as always for watching! 🍻
I'm still really skeptical about google and AI trucks, is it possible to do something like that? all the different loading docks?
I agree - there are wayyyyy too many variables with things like construction or new roads or pulling over for emergency vehicles for me to take it seriously right now.
Can i ask you if you are using cam for wirecutting or you write programs by hand, we just bought one and we dont know which software to use.
We use Mastercam to program all of our wire!
@@LetsMachine we will try FeatureCam since i already use Autodesk Fusion 360 and will see with what we end up
This is going to happen. Its just a matter of time will it be next year or 10 to 20 years away ? Its not all bad. If everyone has a basic income some will do very little given the opportunity . Others will create and drive humanity further forward technologically. Good on Canada for having this conversation as a lot of other countries are not even recognizing that this is going to happen. The world is changing and we must change with it.
It's stupid and will keep you way behind in competition.
Couldn’t agree more.
Automation will replace the ones that don't learn to run, fix and build Automation equipment, get on the bandwagon now and you will have a job.
I think that cnc machines should be excluded from this tax because i don't really see them as automation equipment. While they do most of the work themselves you have to program them set them up and do a lot of preparation and other stuff. And even after this you still need somebody to load the parts. Besides who are cnc machines replacing? The manual machinists? Not really. Not many people do manual machining and even if they do they cant really compare themselves to what can be achieved on a cnc mill or lathe.
Tldr; I think that cnc machines themselves don't replace humans and shouldn't be viewed as automation equipment if they don't have an automated part loading system.
I agree with you fully. I guess it’s going to depend - if this even becomes a thing - what qualifies as automation. I think people unfamiliar with CNC machines think it’s a hell of a lot more automated than it is.
You're definitely right. According to the robotics industrial association (which is a US organization but still) CNC equipment and other machines that need to be tended by a person all qualify as "hard automation" because they aren't multi-purpose machines that can be reconfigured for other tasks, unlike a robot. Though more complex, CNCs are the same type of automation as a keurig/ninja coffee machine lol
Im in Toronto Ontario and if you know any machinist that needs a job my company needs 3 lol I dont find automation a problem but lack of skilled trades people.
I have the same problem! I often say I could hire two guys tomorrow if I could find someone who hasn’t been at 5 shops in the last two years.
@@LetsMachine Your Dad probably used to joke about welding a trailer hitch to his tool box or say there was a handle on his Gerstner for a reason. Machinists used to move around all the time to follow the work. There is also the embarrassing reality that a lot of shops aren't worth working for. I am beyond fed-up with decrepit dungeons with no windows and filthy machines...
What shop are you at?
I hear ya, I don’t advocate enduring horseshit conditions by any means and I don’t say people shouldn’t work to see what’s out there - all I’m saying is that if I see a pattern of legit 6 places for 2 months each, that’s probably not an investment in someone I want to make. We put a lot into our staff and I try my best to get people who can flourish under that - I hope you get what I mean!
Welcome to communist Canada, where we progressively remove any incentive to work, and increase the incentive to not work. Where we complain the jobs are being taken by automation but we put a gun to the head of our employers and force them to pay more for labour than what the value of the task is actually worth, making it cheaper for them to simply automate the task. Robots don't need holidays, smoke breaks, lunchbreaks, overtime pay, sleep, they don't sue for injury, show up late, go on strike, or get pregnant. Don't want your jobs to be taken by robots? Stop demanding and legislating things from employers that make it harder for them to employ you.
Couldn’t agree more!