Important note regarding defense shred Because defense applies to the same multiplier as attack, every point of defense reduction can be treated as +1 atk, and with most base defenses deliberately lower than base attack, increasing atk is often far more valuable than reducing defense. A char with say, 1000 atk and +600 atk from phsycube/resonance fighting something with 600 defense would net +30% dps from +30% attack, but would only receive +18% dps from +30% penetration.
Yes, great comment! Although it should be noted that Defense Reduction is %, which makes it better against high-DEF targets, which can does not necessarily mean 1% Def Reduction = 1 ATK. Example: Enemy Defense 500, 20% DEF Reduction = ~100ATK, which would be a damage increase of about 10%, not factoring in any other multipliers. However, I think I wasn't very clear in the video. Given you have built your character well, at some point it is more valuable to get some kind of shred instead of i.e. more DMG%. At which point that happens will vary widely from character to team setup to enemy lineup. Thanks for your comment! EDIT 'cause I think I was confused: by defense reduction you did not mean the Stat in itself, I apologize! My point still stands tho :D
@@iamrivenous what is the Penentration mean? I thought it mean the chance of you totally ignore enemy def as stated in game but I guess not.. so it basically reduce enemy def value ? The whole video isn't too clear and at least for me there is some confusion. From what I heard, ATK is the most significant one to improve since every scale with Atk and formula works first with ATK - Def then multiplier For attack , what is the sum up of a good most valuable stats? I heard you say balance and from the video it seems the order range from Atk > Crit rate > Crit damage so that would mean you should invest in ATK, then some in CR and little in CD ? You also mention Penentration which can't be improved through resonate. Last one for attack is Damge Bonus %, how good is Damage bonus % compare to just ATK ? For Def, same question. So the Def the most valuable to improve. About Crit Resist and Crit Def because in my knowledge this is bit stricter as only defense resonate shape give high Crit Resist and Crit Def while Damage Taken Reduction is common in Crit rate resonate shape. Which one is the most valuable stats in def ? Is it Crit resist, Crit Def or Damage taken reduction Finally, about Shredding I assume you mean debuff ? As there isn't anything mention "shred" in the game. What is it exactly? About the math above, I am super confused how he comes up with 30% and 18%. Let's say you have 1000 atk and enemy def is 600. Then damage= 1000-600= 400 damage. Now you improve 30% atk. aka 300 atk more= 1300 - enemy def is 600= 700 damage in the end, so it is 400/700= 55% damage increase for over 30% atk improvement For penentration let's say it reduce or ignore Def. 30% x 600 def= 180 damage more or 180 - def "ignore" . 1000- 600 +180 damage= 580 damage, so 400/580 ~ 30% damage increase.
@@stringdoll50 defense shred is a common slang term for game mechanics that reduce enemy armor/defenses. As for the atk vs pen. Your net damage is a factor of many things, but because of how multiplication works, (atk-def)*stuff = total damage. If the total of atk-def is doubled, your total damage is doubled. Same goes for a 10% or 50% increase to the total of atk-defense. With 1000 atk, and 600 enemy defense, (atk - def) = 1000-600 = 400 If you add 50% penetration, you reduce the enemies defense by 50% -> def*(100%-50%) -> 600*(50%) = 600*.5 = 300 Which would change the prior 1000-600 to 1000-300 = 700 700 divided by the previous 400 = 700/400 = 1.75x dps, for a 75% increase On the flip side, if you increased atk by 50%, you'd get 1000*(100%+50%)-> 1000*(1.5) = 1500 Which changes the (1000atk - 600def) -> (1500atk-600def) = 900 900 divided by the old 400 = 900/400 = 9/4 = 2.25 -> 125% increase in total damage
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Please take any numbers with a grain of salt. This video is more for information instead of correct actual numbers as that was simply not 100% possible (i.e. DEF 397 vs 388)
@@valtaza I don't think so. If the numbers would always be off around ~ +/- 1 or sth that would seem plausible. But the fact I have to adjust def values and am still of with around +/- 20 to 30 seems too big for me. Im sure I did a mistake somewhere cause otherwise I can't explain this. Or the formular isn't correct but I beg to differ. It seems too accurate in various cases for that
@@elmeloi8048 If the same character uses the same attack under same conditions, it will always deal the same amount of damage. Unless you're suggesting that the random defense is chosen per character, which... actually isn't totally nonsense but still is unlikely...
I believe that enemies either have some amount of DMG Reduction, or have a non-whole number of DEF (on that note characters may also have a non-whole number of ATK that is rounded when displayed) Even after removing all his Ideas, my Regulus can deal an odd amount of damage when dealing 200% of his ATK as DMG. It's especially odd since you'd think that at least ATK, DEF and skill damage scaling would be straightforward, so those are my two best explanations Edit: After testing, I suspect it's more likely DMG Reduction. This is because I calc-ed the DEF of the enemy based off Regulus's ATK and it worked out well, assuming the enemy had 0% Crit DEF, then all four attacks' damage were rounded to the actual values, but when testing for four other characters with less ATK than Regulus they all did more damage than expected, but those with higher attack values were closer. This aligns with what you would expect if it was DMG Reduction. Though, I need much more tests though for anything conclusive. I'm testing against the star enemy in the first wave of the first fight in Artificial Somnambulism. I've calc-ed out the theoretical Mental DMG and DMG Reduction of said star enemy, at ~150.333 Mental DEF and ~0.8% lol. This would make all damage numbers that I have calculated so far to round to the accurate damage amount shown. Though this is only from a sample size of 11 attacks and their crits though... Also, crits have the most variation though, but in both directions (ie. 0.49 more than accurate, 0.49 less than accurate), so idk how to interpret that. Also... there has to be a way to do with on desmos or something such that I don't need to manually type in different values every time...
Highly appreciate your comment I think you ran kind of into the same problem as I did. Like, something seems off. There is no way they would give an enemy 150.333~ defense, would they?
I liked the first video, i'm excited for this one. Not that I feel like my brain can fully take advantage of all that information, it's more so that I feel like I understand what i'm looking at when I debate which setup to go for
There is also the question if mental and reality damage is handled the same or differently. In Arknights, for example, 'reality' (physical) damage is reduced by a flat amount while 'mental' (arts) damage is reduced by percentages.
TLDR: ATK is one of the most important stats as everything scales of it AND enemy defense is subtracted from it. For all other stats try to get a good mix of crit rate:crit DMG 1:2, dmg bonus, incantaion/ult might etc. After your character is well built, team composition and applying enemy DEF shreds as well as gaining penetration will give you more damage than more stats
@@siam.ascendo9209 Based on my experience most games do let you crit even against enemies you're weak to lol. Though in HI3 they won't show you it's a crit if you're weak against it (but the calcs still work as a crit)
@@daey66 According to some more CN testing by SteamedBunX, there might be a threshold at which it switches from flat to %-based. Which would make sense. Either that OR enemy DEF is based on your level
Since atk is so good penetrating defense, could you calculate the difference between Brave New World, Her Second Life and His Bounden Duty? I feel these last two are way better generalist weapons than brave new world but everyone is recommending brave new world.
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Important note regarding defense shred
Because defense applies to the same multiplier as attack, every point of defense reduction can be treated as +1 atk, and with most base defenses deliberately lower than base attack, increasing atk is often far more valuable than reducing defense.
A char with say, 1000 atk and +600 atk from phsycube/resonance fighting something with 600 defense would net +30% dps from +30% attack, but would only receive +18% dps from +30% penetration.
Yes, great comment! Although it should be noted that Defense Reduction is %, which makes it better against high-DEF targets, which can does not necessarily mean 1% Def Reduction = 1 ATK.
Example: Enemy Defense 500, 20% DEF Reduction = ~100ATK, which would be a damage increase of about 10%, not factoring in any other multipliers.
However, I think I wasn't very clear in the video. Given you have built your character well, at some point it is more valuable to get some kind of shred instead of i.e. more DMG%.
At which point that happens will vary widely from character to team setup to enemy lineup.
Thanks for your comment!
EDIT 'cause I think I was confused: by defense reduction you did not mean the Stat in itself, I apologize! My point still stands tho :D
oh so thats what penetration means.. lol was wondering what it meant other than 'more damage'
@@iamrivenous what is the Penentration mean? I thought it mean the chance of you totally ignore enemy def as stated in game but I guess not.. so it basically reduce enemy def value ?
The whole video isn't too clear and at least for me there is some confusion. From what I heard, ATK is the most significant one to improve since every scale with Atk and formula works first with ATK - Def then multiplier
For attack , what is the sum up of a good most valuable stats? I heard you say balance and from the video it seems the order range from Atk > Crit rate > Crit damage so that would mean you should invest in ATK, then some in CR and little in CD ? You also mention Penentration which can't be improved through resonate. Last one for attack is Damge Bonus %, how good is Damage bonus % compare to just ATK ?
For Def, same question. So the Def the most valuable to improve. About Crit Resist and Crit Def because in my knowledge this is bit stricter as only defense resonate shape give high Crit Resist and Crit Def while Damage Taken Reduction is common in Crit rate resonate shape. Which one is the most valuable stats in def ? Is it Crit resist, Crit Def or Damage taken reduction
Finally, about Shredding I assume you mean debuff ? As there isn't anything mention "shred" in the game. What is it exactly?
About the math above, I am super confused how he comes up with 30% and 18%. Let's say you have 1000 atk and enemy def is 600. Then damage= 1000-600= 400 damage. Now you improve 30% atk. aka 300 atk more= 1300 - enemy def is 600= 700 damage in the end, so it is 400/700= 55% damage increase for over 30% atk improvement
For penentration let's say it reduce or ignore Def. 30% x 600 def= 180 damage more or 180 - def "ignore" . 1000- 600 +180 damage= 580 damage, so 400/580 ~ 30% damage increase.
@@stringdoll50 defense shred is a common slang term for game mechanics that reduce enemy armor/defenses.
As for the atk vs pen. Your net damage is a factor of many things, but because of how multiplication works, (atk-def)*stuff = total damage. If the total of atk-def is doubled, your total damage is doubled. Same goes for a 10% or 50% increase to the total of atk-defense.
With 1000 atk, and 600 enemy defense, (atk - def) = 1000-600 = 400
If you add 50% penetration, you reduce the enemies defense by 50% -> def*(100%-50%) -> 600*(50%) = 600*.5 = 300
Which would change the prior 1000-600 to 1000-300 = 700
700 divided by the previous 400 = 700/400 = 1.75x dps, for a 75% increase
On the flip side, if you increased atk by 50%, you'd get 1000*(100%+50%)-> 1000*(1.5) = 1500
Which changes the (1000atk - 600def) -> (1500atk-600def) = 900
900 divided by the old 400 = 900/400 = 9/4 = 2.25 -> 125% increase in total damage
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Please take any numbers with a grain of salt. This video is more for information instead of correct actual numbers as that was simply not 100% possible (i.e. DEF 397 vs 388)
Would this be some rounding issue in a specific section of the calculation?
@@valtaza I don't think so. If the numbers would always be off around ~ +/- 1 or sth that would seem plausible. But the fact I have to adjust def values and am still of with around +/- 20 to 30 seems too big for me. Im sure I did a mistake somewhere cause otherwise I can't explain this. Or the formular isn't correct but I beg to differ. It seems too accurate in various cases for that
@@iamrivenousMaybe reality def A is a random number between 350 and 400? (Numbers used only for example)
@@elmeloi8048 If the same character uses the same attack under same conditions, it will always deal the same amount of damage. Unless you're suggesting that the random defense is chosen per character, which... actually isn't totally nonsense but still is unlikely...
Do you, maybe, know any recourse, that has enemy stats as numbers?
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I believe that enemies either have some amount of DMG Reduction, or have a non-whole number of DEF (on that note characters may also have a non-whole number of ATK that is rounded when displayed)
Even after removing all his Ideas, my Regulus can deal an odd amount of damage when dealing 200% of his ATK as DMG. It's especially odd since you'd think that at least ATK, DEF and skill damage scaling would be straightforward, so those are my two best explanations
Edit: After testing, I suspect it's more likely DMG Reduction. This is because I calc-ed the DEF of the enemy based off Regulus's ATK and it worked out well, assuming the enemy had 0% Crit DEF, then all four attacks' damage were rounded to the actual values, but when testing for four other characters with less ATK than Regulus they all did more damage than expected, but those with higher attack values were closer. This aligns with what you would expect if it was DMG Reduction.
Though, I need much more tests though for anything conclusive. I'm testing against the star enemy in the first wave of the first fight in Artificial Somnambulism.
I've calc-ed out the theoretical Mental DMG and DMG Reduction of said star enemy, at ~150.333 Mental DEF and ~0.8% lol. This would make all damage numbers that I have calculated so far to round to the accurate damage amount shown. Though this is only from a sample size of 11 attacks and their crits though... Also, crits have the most variation though, but in both directions (ie. 0.49 more than accurate, 0.49 less than accurate), so idk how to interpret that.
Also... there has to be a way to do with on desmos or something such that I don't need to manually type in different values every time...
Highly appreciate your comment I think you ran kind of into the same problem as I did. Like, something seems off. There is no way they would give an enemy 150.333~ defense, would they?
Amazing, I calculated it and it was perfect!
I love your thumbnails! Very informative video!
I liked the first video, i'm excited for this one. Not that I feel like my brain can fully take advantage of all that information, it's more so that I feel like I understand what i'm looking at when I debate which setup to go for
There is also the question if mental and reality damage is handled the same or differently. In Arknights, for example, 'reality' (physical) damage is reduced by a flat amount while 'mental' (arts) damage is reduced by percentages.
Handled the same way. Reality damage is reduced by Reality Defense and Mental Damage by Mental Defense
can u summaries what this video is about again? i cant follow what is going on in here( english is not my first language)
TLDR: ATK is one of the most important stats as everything scales of it AND enemy defense is subtracted from it. For all other stats try to get a good mix of crit rate:crit DMG 1:2, dmg bonus, incantaion/ult might etc. After your character is well built, team composition and applying enemy DEF shreds as well as gaining penetration will give you more damage than more stats
Very informative channel 👍🏼 I hope we get a video about wilderness passive income & if it’s worth maxing out early
Haha, that may or may not come sooner than you might expect :)
how do you know if you crit? is it the red text or the cloud in top right of white text dmg?
White = no crit, no afflatus bonus
light red = either crit OR afflatus bonus
dark red big number = crit AND afflatus bonus
if don't win the element, it won't be critical?
Surprisingly unlike in most games it does CRIT against those non stronger afflatus but the chance seems to be lowered based on my experiments.
@@siam.ascendo9209 Based on my experience most games do let you crit even against enemies you're weak to lol. Though in HI3 they won't show you it's a crit if you're weak against it (but the calcs still work as a crit)
But what happens to the damage calculation if the atk isnt higher than the def because wouldnt it produce a negative number?
Seems like it cannot go below 1
@@iamrivenous so does that mean if ones atk isnt higher than opponents defence youll just do like 1 dmg i assume
I try it
Example my atk 200 enemy DEF 700 and with skill mutiplier 220% i still got 300 damage
I have no idea LOL
@@daey66 According to some more CN testing by SteamedBunX, there might be a threshold at which it switches from flat to %-based. Which would make sense. Either that OR enemy DEF is based on your level
Since atk is so good penetrating defense, could you calculate the difference between Brave New World, Her Second Life and His Bounden Duty? I feel these last two are way better generalist weapons than brave new world but everyone is recommending brave new world.
If I somewhen am able to acquire all of the other psychubes, I am happy to do so, but for now that will still take a while
Understandable, the game is still new and they are slow to get to balance out that you really only need 3.@@iamrivenous