BATTLETECH: Horned Owl 6 Battlytics | Mech Review | Clan Invasion Kickstarter
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Coming off the heels of the Kodiak, let's take a look at another 'mech that was featured in our Roar of the Kodiak campaign: the Horned Owl 6. It looks a lot like the regular old Homed Owl... except it trades the jump jets for a targeting computer.
Equipped with an array of pulse lasers, and the speed to pick its range, the Horned Owl 6 seems like it could be one of the most terrifying 35 tonners out there - except it costs as much as a 75 ton Marauder.
Still... the pulse laser/TC combo is nasty. So get comfortable, grab a drink and let's see what Battlytics has to say about the Horned Owl 6.
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I think it balances out pretty well. Targeting computers get obnoxiously heavy and large the second Pulse weapons are involved. Most Owls have Jump Jets, but this one doesn't, I'm assuming, because of that Targeting Computer.
A fair take! Thanks for watching!
Yeah the standard is just ad good in my opinion with the 2xMPL plus LPL and 6/9/6 movement. Take a 4/5 pilot and it shoots at +2. Sweet machine.
Okay. This is interesting because Mechanical Frog did something similar, and I think I can trace it back to MechFactory.
The record sheet for the Horned Owl 6 in Rec Guide 11 has 10 Double heatsinks, full armor and a BV of 1,475.
Also the Large Pulse Laser is in the CT, not the arm, messing up your Threat Assessment diagram.
The MUL Horned Owl has a BV of 1,475 and 4 pips of armor compared to the 3 pips you get with 96 armor.
Always loved the Horned Owl, such a mean little mech.
Great video, allways looking forward to new Battlytics! Also, perfectly valid combination, because Savannah Masters...
Haha the ultimate SM hunter!
Another potential Raven mech. At 35 tons rear armor should be able to protect the mech when it takes a fall and clan ER small laser does 5 damage. The rear armor looks on point. The Peregrine with a 4/5 is commonly seen and some have noted this in the comments. I like the Peregrine “Horned Owl” standard and 6. I would consider this clan light a bodyguard unit for a more lethal mech like the Behemoth.
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The TC and pulse lasers are not broken. Not many mechs or configurations have that combo and most end up expensive in BV like the 3050 Masakari “Warhawk” C. Because of this lethal combo these mechs often become primary when they near the focus of the battle. It was not uncommon for large pulse laser lines of Smoke Jaguar Daishi “Dire Wolf” A’s and Masakari “Warhawk” C.
None the less having to contest an objective under fire from a Turkina “Turkey” B. If you have ever heard the joke about cooking a turkey in the BT community it is in reference to overheating this Turkina B to win. November and December are the Jade Falcons months to be played. Those are the Turkey months.
Great video! Looking forward to more videos.
Great video as per the usual. Thank you all for the efforts & excellent content. Keeps me luv'n Battletech. Cheers Aaron!
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You should check out the Vapor Eagle. Basically the Horned Owls big brother, in that golden weight bracket of 55 tons
TCs + PL combo is pretty broken but it can be hard to keep such a mech alive. They often get focus fired because they are such a high risk opponent on the board to let stay in the fight. Especially, if it has a huge jump movement rate.
Interesting! Seems like a powerful combo, but just so vulnerable! I think it’s probably a good flanking mech that could bully IS lights and mediums sent down the flank, or (hear me out here) an actual good urban mech. Fast and lots of stopping power!
I can see the controversy now. “The real urban mech”
Imagine being the poor IS sap who first encountered a Horned Owl and thought it was a security mech.
And I would be inclined to bet on the PXH-3PL over this with decent terrain. Shorter range but 6/9/6.
The negative Gunner Sensitivity is hilarious. Definitely, focus firing on this lil mech.
Gunnery 6 is still probably exceptional value haha
Personally, I think pairing targeting computers with pulse lasers should be outlawed for Clan machines. For 1 LPL and 2 MPLs, Clanners pay 2 tons for a TC. For IS 'mechs with that same weapon set, we pay 3 tons, and that's on top of the fact that our LPLs are heavier and less effective, our MPLs are less effective, and the 3 crits that TC occupies are at a higher premium than in a Clan 'mech where almost every system they have is both lighter and more compact.
And that's before you consider that the default IS MechWarrior operates at a 4/5 GP score, while default Clan pilots are at 3/4.
Use a TC to remove the penalty for Heavy Lasers and such. Perfectly fine. But for an already stacked system to add just one more advantage, allowing a default level Clan MechWarrior to shoot like an uncontested legend is too fucking much.
I prefer the prime, no tar-com but it jumps and pulse lasers are plenty accurate as is.
Hell yeah, cant get enough Battlytics!
Thanks for enjoying!!!
Oh boy murder math!! Makes me giggle that i quit EvE online for being "spreadsheet simulator" (to be fair, i did play for nearly 10 years and got lots of good memories), but i LOVE these vids, which are basically just a fellow nerd crunching the numbers on how effective one big stompy robot is over the other 🤣🤣
You know it!! 😆
I can imagine Star GRU with one hideously good mech and four of these with crap pilots as the ‘minions’
Painted in yellow of course!
Nice one!
Can you review the No-Dachi please.
A great analysis of a anomaly in the mech world :-) a mech thats better with a crappy pilot lol....pairing pulse lasers with a target computer is just disgusting lol especially clan pulse with their great range and damage :-)
Clan Pulse and Targeting Computer needs a huge nerf in BV , like they did to Stealth Armour
Clan pulse weapons are my favorite but I don't think any of the mechs I play can also take a targeting computer.
There are a bunch sprinkled in the rec guides - bashees, black knights and some others with mixed tech pulse and TCs.
a Warhawk with 4 LPL and TC and 21 DHS - it costs to play but solid assault mech, the loss of damage vs ERPPC is made up in heat efficiency and targeting
I'm going to have to look that one up
@@JustinPivinski-cm2rh it's a slight mod of the Warhawk C.
The nice thing with Omnimechs is the modifiability.
Clan LPL just needs a bv hike, probbably 20-30%ish
Like 200% 😂
Am I crazy or do you have the armor wrong for this mech? It has 115/119 FF, the HO 6, but the original has 96 which is what your graphics show. I'm getting my info from MegaMek.
You may be crazy, I may have set up the animation wrong, or all of this is a dream and we are actually in the matrix.
How do you go about optimizing Lances?
I think that depends on what you’re optimizing for.
Clan pulse lasers absolutely need to be a -1 and not a -2. They would still be far better than the innersphere version and much more balanced. On 2d6 a -2 is significantly better than twice as good as a -1.
Agree - the extra bump is yuge!
This thing is a lighter and better Wraith. Nnnnnnnnice
Oh wow yah great comparison - didnt even think of that niche. Wraith is a little faster and can get that extra TMM… but this thing is nastier.
Hmmm, pulse lasers... what a bold move by Aaron. Totally out of character.
Keep the Battlytics coming!
hahah I am just beating that point that pulse + TC is shenanigans! Thanks for watching!
You missed the glory days of the TC. Originally you could target specific locations with pulse weapons and if it hit, it hit there, no roll to verify. So yes, they did nerf TCs.
When did that change? I was pretty sure you could still do “called shots” with a TC.
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming You can with non-pulse/rapid-fire, HAG, or LB-X cluster weapons. [Total Warfare pg 143] Previous editions did not have these limits, nor did they use the Aimed Shots rule with TCs. As for when, sometime between FASA and CGL.
@RexfelisLXIX ah gotcha - yes, I do recall this now. Thanks for sharing the deets!
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming No problem. You are most welcome.
First cause why not!!
#winning
Not as broken as I would have thought, but still a nice find. Good to hear you will be moving on to mercenaries themed stuff soon with the Kickstarter just around the corner. The House Master approves!
My second favorite mech by esthetic (favorite is vapor eagle)
I think problem only stems from Large Pulse lasers. As they can, technically have -1 modifier in longrange (2 as base, -1 TarComp, -1 Interface Cockpit, -1 Improved Targeting, Long quirk) Problem is there are too many things affecting target modifiers, in a game where benefit is exponential. MPL on the other hand is not that problematic as it behaves as any other dedicated long range weapon within its long range. Damage is not gamebreaking either. Only real benefit it has, is -2 modifier at short range which makes it an anti-light/anti-jump weaponry. SPL is strictly anti-infantry so no probs there. I do believe though LPL+TC is busted, particularly if comboed with PartialWings+IJJ combos, but aside from that pulses are fine. -1 bonus for LPL only, would actually be balanced.
I do believe cERPPC should be considered the highest peak a weapon should reach, and anynew weapons that might be added in the future, should only add variety within different ranges/damage/hitmod combos, all very slightly below the efficiency of present weaponry. So i dont like those experimental RISC weapons that hit 20dmg at cERLL ranges. I would however love those Heavy LLs, if they didnt have to hit penalty and had 14ish heat instead, for us to use them exclusively as alternative to ERPPC in fast light mechs. But if you try to add any other secondary weaponry, ERPPC always comes out ahead which isnt really much fun. So iHLLs are usable, strickly in very fast lightish mechs, but you still feel they are added for the sake of being added, like those HLL Warhammer IIC variants, and there are better existing options in universe for that weapon to be adopted in any form.
Excellent assessment! I agree in the cerPPC - and wouldn’t mind seeing some degree of overall weapon rebalancing.
Love the Battlytics! For sure pulse and tcomps are 'broken', in that gunnery is +20% for the whole mech, while tcomps are +25% for just the offensive half, and pulse lasers are about +16% for the offensive half. So its effectively +40% for gunnery for 1 better accuracy, versus 25 or 16, meaning pulse and tcomp accuracy is just too cheap! We included a 'cheese' modifier for our ranked play stuff at MRC, limiting the total pulse, for just this reason... A list with lots of pulse just costs less bv then a list without pulse and upgraded gunnery to hit the same numbers.
Love that you shared the maths and quantified it - spot on!!!
Considering the Horned Owl was originally designed as a garrison Mech, and that many Clans use it as a training Mech it makes sense that it would be outfitted with equipment to make it easier to hit with its weapons. Not only is it more efficient to have it piloted by those with crappy gunnery, it is also lore accurate. Also, according to lore Goliath Scorpion Mechwarriors don't use the targeting computer to make it easier to hit an opponent, but to allow them to target specific components, as they consider using the TC just so that they can make it easier to hit an opponent as cheating. Also, they consider themselves accurate enough that they don't need the help and to suggest otherwise is an insult to their skills.
Edit: Considering how annoying it is to fight fast hovercraft and VTOLs if an opponent decided to bring a list full of Warriors and Savannah Masters, then I think you would be well within your right to bring some Horned Owl 6s.
Yes indeed! Down with VTOLs!
Another victory for the secret cabal of ornithologists within the clans. I swear, clan logic - designed for underwater use but named after a bird.
… just wait for the next battle report with Thom 😂
Woo who?
Oh yeah, and this guy has a quirk of stabilized weapon, LPL, which means that's a -1 penalty ignored for running or walking, so a net -4 to hit !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
1328 BV2 with 5/5 pilot.
Bargain!
You're completely right about TV and pulse. They flatly don't stack at my table.
Someone else made the point that if you are playing with quirks, you can drive that to a -4. Insane on a 2d6 curve!!
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming Absolutely disgusting.
@derekburge5294 haha yah like - I keep wondering how it wasn’t ever fixed in the various rules updates. It is insanely broken, mathematically haha