The thing I don't like about Dovewing is that she refuses to spy on the clans, even if for their own good, then proceeds to listen in on things that are none of her business.
I hate how dovewing was pretty much a replacement for Hollyleaf. I was so sure that Hollyleaf had had a power, and was so curious about what it was. I actually only read power of three because I wanted to know what her power was and along the way I loved her more and more. Then she was replaced and I got so freaking mad
That's exactly how I felt! The main reason I dislike Dovewing is because she "replaced" Hollyleaf. I don't want to be that person, but... we all know it's true! I'm team Hollyleaf!
its the erins choice. why are peolle still mad about that? so what if hollyleaf didnt get the power she can still be an amazing warrior to her clan dspite all that.
Team Ivypool. I know that both cats have faults but I just see as Ivypool more of a fierce and strong warrior with a familiar personality that I grew to like while when I look at dovewing, I just wonder why isn’t she a kitty pet yet? I wished the sisters had the same bond as Squirrelflight and Leafpool but over so much happening with the forbidden romance and the jealousy, it just didn’t really work out. Ivypool, yes did betray her clan meeting with the dark forest but after realising her mistake she starts to help her clan using that mistake. While dovewing is on and off and on and off with Tigerheart which just doesn’t help her situation. I am actually glad Ivypool wasn’t one of the three because her character developed so much after everything. Like yea I do believe she deserved to be one of the prophesied cats but she wasn’t which I’m also glad about.
Listening to both arguments, both really have a chance to be likeable characters. Sure, maybe there was some controversial things Dovewing's done. But there is definitely some things that ivypool could've done better as well. And based on one's character, personality, choices etc. A character/relationship is built. (The example of the two sisters) And unsurprisingly, you have persuaded me once again, that both characters can have equally sided arguments in defence against each other. I go for team ivypool AND dovewing :) Great video as always 👍
This is why I like violetshine more then twig branch too. I feel like the difference between ivypool and violetshine is ivypool had more anger and it was less about emotions, violetshine was more sad and lonely I think
When you talked about Bumblestripe and Dovewing, I thought, ‘Well, I just read Bramblestar’s Storm, and in that book it stated that Bumblestripe and Dovewing are...MATES?!’ Did you not realize this? Also #TeamIvypool
I don't want to be that annoying person, but... I'm on team Hollyleaf! Let me defend myself. I would like Dovewing a lot more if she didn't "replace" Hollyleaf. I was always so upset that Hollyleaf couldn't share something her litter mates did, and how Jay and Lion were almost WILLING to replace her. But honestly, Hollyleaf did a lot to help with the Clans and the Prophecy. She helped the cats train in the tunnels to fight Sol, so the Clans wouldn't have another threat to deal with, and also this helped the Clans unite and Shadowclan see sense again. Also, Hollyleaf was there all along to shape and support Lionpaw and Jaypaw. She helped them figure out the prophecy and learned and grew with them the whole time. Also, she saved Ivypool, and this lead to Hawkfrost's defeat. Ivypool and Hollyleaf honestly had a lot more depth than the Three. They were the overshadowed real heroes who were not respected because they were not in the prophecy. The Three got so much attention, but honestly, what was the prophecy even for? I agree that Ivypool did so much more than the 3, and in the end, Firestar saved the day. So I ask... what was the point of the prophecy? I don't mean to offend anyone, especially the Erins! They worked so hard to make the books and I guess, in the end, it's their choice. I respect everyone's opinions and I would love to hear some people tell me their opinions on this matter! And Akira, cool video! :)
I’ll defend Dovewing. Ima team Dovewing bean :3 Dovewing is the one forced to lie to Ivypool when they were apprentices. But if Dovewing had told Ivypool earlier, they wouldn’t have a spy for the dark forest, and Lionblaze and Jayfeather were the ones who convinced Dovewing to keep it secret from Ivypool. I know Dovewing could have told her any time, but that would have prevented a spy for the dark forest. Any it was actually respect for Lionblaze and Jayforeather or listening to her mentor and the med cat slash the other prophetic cats that were older than her that forced Dovewing to keep it secret from Ivypool. So it was actually Lionblaze and Jayfeather that we’re prophetic cats, Dovewing and Ivypool were like half and half, together they were basically one prophecy cat. This isn’t exactly a defense but still, I did my best XD
I totally agree. Dovewing being a prophecy cat kinda set up Ivypool to be a spy. I like to think that they’re secretly both prophecy cats but StarClan are just jerks and decided not to tell anybody. Just make Hollyleaf the fourth cat (or fifth I guess?) and we’re all set.
I personally Liked dovewing I think shes a great character But people stopped liking her when they killed off hollyleaf and realized she was an replacement
Oh~ Yeah! And I know what her powers should be!!! (Yes plural okay?) #1. Being able to decide between what eye color she has! #2. Keeping a secret for a good reason! #3. Not having to cry after being changed into a normal cat! #4. ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO SAVE THE CLANS!!!!!! I dunno just some ideas.....
Ivypool is the prophecy cat Dovewing is the main contributor for Ivypool’s prophecy without Dovewing Ivypool wouldn’t have a prophecy to begin with so I think Ivypool is more important but Dovewing is used as kind of a stepping stone to make Ivypool great without Dovewing, Ivypool wouldn’t have been stressed of catching up with her so she never would’ve been venerable to the dark forest, and without Dovewing we wouldn’t be able to praise Ivypool because the main thing that fuels Ivypool is Dovewing herself.......Rant Over
Please I beg of you to use some periods and commas. Ivypool isn't a prophecy cat, she wasn't reincarnated as far as I know, unlike the three. If you want to see it in an author's perspectives then they would've made another savior if Ivypool wasn't one.
Also, I hope she gets punished for breaking the code. It's unfair if she doesn't, especially so soon after Leafpool. She didn't learn any lessons from Tigerheart's Shadow and neither did he.
Blue Yasss nuuuu dovewing is sweet and caring. When she thought she lost her powers she was concerned about her clan. And she didn’t really want ivypool to go to the dark forest.
Yes but she made the sad decision of Kin Vs Mate and left her parents and sister behind in Thunderclan and she was going to have kits. It is a small problem and a punishment for her for to leave her family I have learned to like Dovewing a bit more but I still don’t like how she whined through most of Omen of the stars
TheTrue SourLemon So? Just because you like her doesn't mean she doesn't deserve punishment for actively meeting with a tom from a different clan for over a year. She didn't want Ivypool to go to the Dark Forest but she still did, in turn supplying all the information for the living cats about the attack.
maiziemoonshine 78 I miss Hollyleaf, she was a good character but Erins killed her off because of lack of ideas for her power , and then actually killed her off again in some sort of ‘ redemption / sacrifice scene’.
Huge, imense opinion comment ahead: Team Ivypool. Dovewing is way too perfect and sometimes acts such "I am Dovewing and I have a power. I use it to lead a group and to walk all over around and telling sister to not fawn over my crushy crush. I am a Mary Sue, and some fans hate me. And yeah, I am very smart since I was made an apprentice because random intelligence boost." I dislike (not hate, as in the first draft of this comment) Dovewing. She isn't also developed at all in some points. It's like she was made to be the perfect protagonist who has a jealous (maybe secretly anxious) sister, just that the next series has two more believable opposite siblings. I can sympathise with Alderheart's anxiety and I can see that Sparkpelt has a talent she was born with (even she is a Mary Sue too), but Dovewing? I believe they took too much time trying to reach hopeless romantics (not that you guys aren't a public, too. I respect you!) Ivypool deserves a book, but, a character who had a whole series for her has a special edition. Dovewing has a entire series about her being the third prophecy cat and Ivypool is a much developed character with a story you can feel (that is if you were the average edgy person who's r/im14andthisisdeep, like i was in that fateful day i ranted about Dovewing). Sometimes the Warriors logic is a little shaky and, I dunno if you saw that, but at least one main character goes downhill while the series goes? Like: Firestar had a cool story. Then here came Bramblestar, who is having daddy issues he tries to solve (again, i feel that the Erins did a great job by creating relatable situations people can find themselves in), then Lionblaze, then Dovewing. A Vision of Shadows has okay-ish characters, so in my opinion A Vision of Shadows restored everything (waitasecond there's Darktail being such a badass hurt villain- we don't talk about Darktail here) This are just my own opinions. I don't wanna argue, I just said what I realised while the series passed and especially about Dovewing and Ivypool. That's all I had to say, and I know it's long. But that is it. Warriors has plot holes, but it is also amazing. I hope to have much more books from this cat universe series soon.
I agree with everything you said. Ivypool basically saved the clans, while Dovewing did nothing. Dovewing is so self centred that she didn’t even notice how much her sister suffered. And yes, a vision of shadows restored everything. For once in the series, you didn’t know what would happen next and the main characters weren’t all Mary Sues. Dovewing got Dovewing’s silence and Tigerhearts shadow. Ivypool got nothing. This comment is seriously under rated!
allow me to explain my side. everyone says dovewing is a Mary Sue, but honestly, this just isn't true. dovewing is stubborn, naive, headstrong, and even sometimes impulsive. but at the same time, she's kind, caring and overall just a fluffy cinnamon roll. I love characters like these, she's not the brightest, but she's really pure lol. especially dovepaw. and no development? this isn't true either. when dovepaw is told that she's a prophecy cat, it hits her like a truck. she has this HUGEE weight on her, a huge responsibility she never asked for. why her? she just wanted to live a happy, normal life with her sister and friends. this is when people call her 'whiny' or 'childish'. but how would you feel in this situation? chosen for something you didn't want to be apart of? you'd react the same way, I bet. I don't like how jayfeather reacts here, as he scolds her, and calls her stupid for being a child. but back to the point, she is immediately forced into something she's never wanted to be in to begin with. and another favorite scene I found of her in fading echoes is, when she senses a windclan cat being attacked by the dogs. she immediately tries to tell lion and Jay to go help them, but lion and jay tell her that in some situations loyalties lie within their clan alone. this must be extremely confusing for young dovepaw, being as naive and pure as she is, the two just told her that the prophecy is outside of thunderclan. from these two experiences alone, you can tell she had a lot of development. and I feel you make dovewing out to be a spoiled brain who hates ivypool? but this is far from the text, as dovewing constantly tries to make up with her sister, but ivypool rejects her, time and time again. in my eyes, it feels that ivypool is looking for an excuse to hate dovewing, which just makes me sad. I have a lot more to say, but this is as lengthy as is. so I'll end it here for now. :)
@@sugarrmoon yes, she had that 'growth' in terms of personality, but for a long part of the arc, she was just dealing with... He-loves-me-ge-loves-me-not issues, which make some of the readers call her whiny and childish. I understand that some readers actually enjoy fluffy cute romances in fiction, but I'm not that person, so that's why I dislike her central focus point for about two books straight - she's way better than Bristlefrost at this chapter, though. And while crushes are a major part of one's evolution, i just think that, while the Dark Forest was basically trying to storm area Lake Territories 51, she was busy dealing with Bumblestripe and Tigerstar. That's all. Thanks for sharing your opinion, though.
@@sugarrmoon that's why most of the fans (And i would love if it was all the fan's opinion) HATE her. She's a perfect character. A Mary-sue. Just take a secon to think about only ONE flaw she has, and don't forget there's a difference between FLAWS and not doing the GOOD CHOICE. Secretly dating Tigerheart? No, she's just standing for what she belive in. Blaming herself? She has all the reason to blame herself: she's a mess hehe. I just can't find her a flaw. But plus, she keeps saying she has all the flaws. She says everything is her fault, she says she will fail to save the clans, she says its too much responsibilities... But THEN, when she loses her powers (Probably because Starclan knew how much she sucks) She's crying and trying to have them back. Wow, just wow. Ivypool wasn't in the prophecy, but she was exposing to such a more important mission than Dovewing. However, Dovewing was more stressed than her. But we all know Dovewing is so ew at fighting, which means she didn't have a big responsibility in the Prophecy to save the clans. Sorry for all the grammar mistakes i've made; english isn't my language xD
Ivypool will allways be my favorite, but I never hated Dovewing. I admired that, even as a jung cat with these amazing powers, she never wanted to spie on anyone, because she respected teir privacy. She is a soft and carring person, which is a nice contrast to lionblaze and jayfeather.
*gets to **1:24* Yeah, uh, I seriously doubt that Ivypool would have been pathetic. The Dark Forest can't make a weak cat strong just like that. Ivypool worked hard to be where she is in life. *ahem* Continue.
Ivypool! She is loyal, strong and a hero! Yes, I can't stan Dovewing. She chose love over saving clan (she really have said this in one of the books). Dovewing is more a steppstone on Ivypools way.
true but love is also important I love them both I think they are both heroes and i won't change my mind argue all u want about me I won't listen but I still respect ur choice.
Hollyleaf didn't have quite as much personality as characters like Jayfeather, Squirrelflight, Leafpool, and some other main characters, but I really loved what she was given and sometimes I even relate to her. I also liked her relationship with her brothers, and wish she had lived longer to become as close to them as Lionblaze and Jayfeather became in her absense. Hollyleaf was pretty great, ngl.
What's up with sisters being left out? I get that there has to be suspense and plot but I just wonder, "why can't the prophesied cat (Doverwing) be a lone child?" Like if her siblings didn't make it through kit hood or got really sick. Edit: I wasn't thinking nevermind....
This is really true! Thank you for having an open mind! The only things that actually annoyed me about Dovewing is how their CLANMATES treated her nicely and Ivypool horribly. But that doesn't give us a reason to say Dovewing is awful, like yeah, she's not my favourite cat at all; but I understand her point as well as Ivypool's. And at the end their Clanmates' loved them both equally. Team Both Cats!
I like Ivypool more. I just find it a little annoying, and i know its not her fault, but how can Jayfeather and Lionblaze just replace Hollyleaf with a living hairball? I would prefer Hollyleaf as the prophecy cat instead of Dovewing. I find Ivypool as a more interesting cat than Dovewing.
I don't get why people can't like both Ivypool and Dowewing. They both had their flaws and they were both great in their own way. #TeamIvypoolAndDowewing
you know what here imma predict the next books -bumblestripe becomes ashfur and attacs dovewings kits to give us a reason to why she isnt bad and needs pity or something -shadowkit becomes leader and is tall shadow reborn -stickstick is rock -hawkwhoever forgets about stickstick and almost kills her in battle and voiletgoodname screams at heckwing and joins thunderclam again -the battle is skyclan and shadowclan vs thunder and wind while riverclan shoves fish popcorn in their faces -crowfeather dies -tree i forgot about him but hes important and does something -finberrynose's dad attacs stickstic for stealing his kid
Me- Ok guys you're gonna tell me what you had to deal with during Omen of The Stars. Ivypool you go first. Ivypool- I had lies from my sister, abuse from the Dark Forest, stress from pushing myself to hard, responsibility to spy for the clans, bad feelings about myself, and the pressure of having to catch up to Dovewing. Dovewing- I had responsibility too. And I also had lies from Ivypool and um, uh... Nothing else. Me- I think we can clearly see who had it worse.
I personally think Ivypool and Hollyleaf both deserved to have powers. Hollyleaf made a mistake, but she spent a lot of time reflecting in the tunnels, and willingly gave her life to save Ivypool. Ivypool also made the mistake of joining dark forest at first, but she had a good reason, her sister was getting so much attention and love and praise, and people generally overlooked Ivy. She was super jealous, but Dove either was oblivious or just chose the easy way, which was to pity her and treat her as a lesser. If Dove had spent a lot of time treating Ivy like an equal and not "oh, let me help you, oh, you obviously need help", maybe it would be different. The fact that Ivy confessed and went back to spy on the dark forest proves her courage.
Eviediamond 1 Hollyleaf doesn’t deserve a power. (Please don’t give me an angry response. I don’t want to respond with four paragraphs explaining my thoughts).
Yeah.... nah. I still don't like Dovewing. And it's not about that love stuff. It's just not a character I can relate to. When reading books I want a character who I can relate to in some way shape or form. Or I can have feelings for so that I care what happens to them. Dovewing simply didn't give me anything to attach to. I'm still 100% Ivypool team, but thank you for showing Dovewing in a new light.
Yes, obviously its because imagine living with something your entire life, then you suddenly get it taken away. You may have not wanted it, but it was overwhelming. Like imagnve if you were deaf, and you complained about it, but one day you could suddenly hear, and everything seemed loud and overwhelmign after living your entire life in silence.
The reason that Dovewing wasn’t given a chance to join the dark forest was because they knew she was too loyal to her clan and the code so they didn’t bother...
Although, it would have been cool to see IvyPool turn evil. I would personally choose the Dark Forest over StarClan, I don't know why it appeals to me so much. I don't mean to criticize StarClan, but the Dark Forest has much more story behind it,
I agree with the whole video but the only part I dont agree with is with Ivypool lying. Shortly after Hawkfrost visited Ivypool she told Dovewing. She told her that she met up with a starclan warrior. But Dovewing wouldn’t tell Ivypool about anything so that coused Ivypool to lie.
I love Dovewing. But.....yeah, I think Hollyleaf(mostly Hollyleaf) or Ivypool should’ve been in the prophecy. I mean, we have three animals in the prophecy. Lion, Jay, Dove. I say plants are very underrated. Edit: I edited this because I misspelled a word.
honestly, I don't like dovewing because she acted like a brat. she got with bumblestripe because it was easy then left him, then got angry that he still loved her even though he should be angry at her since she clearly used him, plus she left her clan, her sister and her friends like a selfish foxheart just for some guy, she was bratty, annoying and when it came down to it, unloyal. but I'm fine with people liking dovewing, and I hope people are fine with my opinion to.
Team Ivypool The reason I hate Dovewing is that she is too perfect of a character and the reason she moves to Shadowclan...none! It is only for plot convenience and for Shadowkit (one of her 3 kits ) to become a main character in the upcoming series !
Both Ivypool and Dovewing are good characters. Without one another, where would they be today? What would they have been like. I see them as keeping each other in balance in a way. This video makes me want to reread Omen of the stars.
Why I hate Dovewing: She abondones her prochecy for Tigerheart which I find ungrateful and a disgrace. And don't get me started with her attitude toward Bubmlestripe. She finds everything in the world either about herself, Tigerheart, or wonderfulness. And she acts so much like a Mary Sue, "I love him" or "I hate him" or "Maybe he is the one!" LIKE COME ON! Just thinking of her gives me depression. I really find it sad how she had to go on all these journeys while another cat could have had the opportunity to go. For example: Jayfeather's trip to the Mountains or even the Search for Twigpaw. Now don't get me wrong that is a good reason why I hate her. More reasons why: ·Her peronality (like couldn't she be more strict) ·How she treated Bumblestripe and how he explained how he was feeling as if he was Dovewing's "scratching post" ·Assuming Ivypool loved Tigerheart ·Saying to Ivypool that she was better than her ·Running away from the Clans just to have her kits Edit:#TEAMIVYPOOL BITCHES!
Ok.. not gonna lie dovewing brought some great positivity into the books but ivypool worked really hard to defend other against the dark forest and as was in the video “ the clans where in her paws” she worked hard for that. So in all honesty I will have to say team ivypool
I love Ivypool and hate Dovewing but not because she wasted her time with Tigerstripe it is because she mostly gets whatever she wants just because she’s cute. Also this is MY opinion don’t rage at me
If you think about it dovewing litterly did nothing and in the end switched clans for tigerheart thanks to ivypool the clans were warned of the danger ahead and she also helped to train the cats to fight I personally think the powers given to dovewing are pretty pointless and not helpful compared to what great things many cats have done with out powers.
To be honest I do think that ivypool is the true prophesy cat but I don’t hate dovewing even if dovewing detected the beavers and helped save the clans from the drought but still ivypool did a lot more. But at the same time I cant but feel bad for bumblestripe
Personally i prefer ivypool because i see dovewing as a bit of a mary sue with her biggest issue being a love triangle, just my opinion. However, the newer books portrey her alot better as an actual character with real strugles.
The reason I have a major dislike against Dovewing is because Dovewing just seems like a perfect cat. For example Dovewing seemed like a great apprentice in most cats eyes. Another dislike is Dovewing and Tigerstar, I just find it another cliché. I wouldn't say I hate Dovewing but I just don't find her that interesting to read.
I liked Dovewing as a character but I hated how she was "I love him!" In every chapter. Weather it was her feelings for Bumblestripe or Tigerheart I really got annoyed by the fact that she was prancing around with other toms and not focusing on the profecy. After watching this I realised her love struggles were totally necessary for the series to shape! Without Dovewing, Ivypool wouldn't be the cat she is! It was her hate for Dovewing that sent her to the dark forest, to train and spy for the clans all because of Dovewing. Ivypool is a great character and TOTALLY relatable but now I see, we shouldn't be so hateful of Dovewing. Without her, Ivypool wouldn't be Ivypool. All you Ivypool lovers and Dovewing haters none of their stories would've happened if it wasn't for the other sister. #Teamboth but.... I still kinda like Ivypool better! Like if you agree!
Hi Bright Guardian Akira. I was wondering if for future videos, you put spoilers warnings for the books that you will spoil. With other videos, I have to watch the first minute to decide wether it will spoil a book I haven’t read. When I do that, I’m afraid I will eventually make the wrong choice. If you do read this comment and decide to make the change, thank you. If not, I respect whatever reason you have.
I'm team Dovewing through and through, but the *ONLY* time she annoyed me is when she could hear into the dark forest. WHAT'S THE POINT OF IVYPOOL BEING IN THE DARK FOREST WHEN DOVEWING COULD JUST HEAR INTO IT!? Ugh. Also Dovewing is such an amzing and supportive parent.
Heh lol Ivypool didn't KNOW that going to the Dark Forest to train was bad. She just thought it would make her a good fighter so that she would be noticed instead of being ignored so that everyone could pay attention to Dovewing. However I don't hate Dovewing I think she's actually really sweet and I love her just not as much as Ivypool sorry Dovewing
I guess Dovewing is okay when not compared to Ivypool, but still, Ivypool is one of the most relatable cats to me, plus her story was the thing I wanted to read most in Omen of the stars.
This is a good video. you're getting a lot better.
Thank you!
Yes, Moonkitti
Bright is really good at these theories.
Your animaitions ar so good love your ainaitions moonkitty💗💗🐱
Moonkitti me and you are team Dovewing forever.
MOONKITTI!
I loaf your vids.
Great video!
pinkbunnygirl43 I like your videos, and I ama subscriber
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Hai Pinky! Keep up everything!
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ANIMALS FOR LIFE YO you did?
1:44 Once dovewing was a kit I already knew her power
It was her ability to change eye colors XD
Yes
So smart
😎
HollyLeafs power: FLYING
IvyPools power: Sees cats death before paw
YES!
I seriously love the idea of Ivypool having the power to see cats deaths. 😍
Flying lol
The thing I don't like about Dovewing is that she refuses to spy on the clans, even if for their own good, then proceeds to listen in on things that are none of her business.
Yes
Definitely
YES, LIKE WATCHING TIGERHEART
I hate how dovewing was pretty much a replacement for Hollyleaf. I was so sure that Hollyleaf had had a power, and was so curious about what it was. I actually only read power of three because I wanted to know what her power was and along the way I loved her more and more. Then she was replaced and I got so freaking mad
That's exactly how I felt! The main reason I dislike Dovewing is because she "replaced" Hollyleaf. I don't want to be that person, but... we all know it's true! I'm team Hollyleaf!
its the erins choice. why are peolle still mad about that? so what if hollyleaf didnt get the power she can still be an amazing warrior to her clan dspite all that.
That's true. She proved she doesn't need powers to be awesome! ;)
I Liked Hollyleaf Until I Realised She Was A ThunderClan Cat
SAME!!!
Team Ivypool.
I know that both cats have faults but I just see as Ivypool more of a fierce and strong warrior with a familiar personality that I grew to like while when I look at dovewing, I just wonder why isn’t she a kitty pet yet? I wished the sisters had the same bond as Squirrelflight and Leafpool but over so much happening with the forbidden romance and the jealousy, it just didn’t really work out.
Ivypool, yes did betray her clan meeting with the dark forest but after realising her mistake she starts to help her clan using that mistake. While dovewing is on and off and on and off with Tigerheart which just doesn’t help her situation. I am actually glad Ivypool wasn’t one of the three because her character developed so much after everything. Like yea I do believe she deserved to be one of the prophesied cats but she wasn’t which I’m also glad about.
Yes. Ivypool is mah gurl
Team ivypool 4 life!
Don't forget, ivy'pool used the plesaure-intor in fern'song- ak:the best mom and milf in warriors
Thats true pro gamer move of ivy'pool
YESSSSSS TEAM IVYPOOOOL
Yea ivy is strong but dove stupid
Ivypool’s part of the prophecy “deep in ivy’s pool there is a solution.”
Eva Maria Christiansen what book is that in??
@@Bezbenzene I think it was made up to show what they think her part would have been if she had been in the prophecy.
PopopamAJ oh ok thx for telling me
@@Bezbenzene Np
#teamivypool
The dark forest would have most likely taken over with out Ivy. She warned them. They would *(and I know you said this)* not be prepared.
Listening to both arguments, both really have a chance to be likeable characters.
Sure, maybe there was some controversial things Dovewing's done. But there is definitely some things that ivypool could've done better as well. And based on one's character, personality, choices etc. A character/relationship is built. (The example of the two sisters)
And unsurprisingly, you have persuaded me once again, that both characters can have equally sided arguments in defence against each other.
I go for team ivypool AND dovewing :)
Great video as always 👍
Mountain Of Lemons I go for team dovewing and team dovewing only
"And Tigerheart becoming Shadowclan's great leader."
Are you sure about dat.
This is why I like violetshine more then twig branch too. I feel like the difference between ivypool and violetshine is ivypool had more anger and it was less about emotions, violetshine was more sad and lonely I think
Just remove Lionblaze
And add Hollyleaf
Oh yes please
12:08
Who saw Ivypool's face?
Windfur from Windclan that scared me😰😅
Me
Yep its at 12:09
Also 6:09
I’m on team Power of Five!
Jayfeather!
Lionblaze!
Hollyleaf!
Dovewing!
Ivypool!
Not Breezepelt!
power of 7 (dove, jay, lion, holly and ivy pool's kits that deserve a spot too)
Same
Anyone from #TeamHollyleaf..? N-No..? Ok. ;v;
Reximo Me :3
don't be mad at me but definitely not me sorry that I'm here in
Nah, we here fam.
Woop.
Me too!
When you talked about Bumblestripe and Dovewing, I thought, ‘Well, I just read Bramblestar’s Storm, and in that book it stated that Bumblestripe and Dovewing are...MATES?!’ Did you not realize this? Also #TeamIvypool
it also stated that they broke up in bramblestar’s storm so
I don't want to be that annoying person, but... I'm on team Hollyleaf!
Let me defend myself. I would like Dovewing a lot more if she didn't "replace" Hollyleaf. I was always so upset that Hollyleaf couldn't share something her litter mates did, and how Jay and Lion were almost WILLING to replace her. But honestly, Hollyleaf did a lot to help with the Clans and the Prophecy. She helped the cats train in the tunnels to fight Sol, so the Clans wouldn't have another threat to deal with, and also this helped the Clans unite and Shadowclan see sense again. Also, Hollyleaf was there all along to shape and support Lionpaw and Jaypaw. She helped them figure out the prophecy and learned and grew with them the whole time. Also, she saved Ivypool, and this lead to Hawkfrost's defeat.
Ivypool and Hollyleaf honestly had a lot more depth than the Three. They were the overshadowed real heroes who were not respected because they were not in the prophecy. The Three got so much attention, but honestly, what was the prophecy even for? I agree that Ivypool did so much more than the 3, and in the end, Firestar saved the day. So I ask... what was the point of the prophecy?
I don't mean to offend anyone, especially the Erins! They worked so hard to make the books and I guess, in the end, it's their choice. I respect everyone's opinions and I would love to hear some people tell me their opinions on this matter! And Akira, cool video! :)
Thank you!!! #TEAMHOLLYLEAF
Np! #TEAMHOLLYLEAF
#TeamHollyleaf4life
#teamhollyleaf4life
#Teamhollyleaf for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll defend Dovewing. Ima team Dovewing bean :3
Dovewing is the one forced to lie to Ivypool when they were apprentices. But if Dovewing had told Ivypool earlier, they wouldn’t have a spy for the dark forest, and Lionblaze and Jayfeather were the ones who convinced Dovewing to keep it secret from Ivypool. I know Dovewing could have told her any time, but that would have prevented a spy for the dark forest. Any it was actually respect for Lionblaze and Jayforeather or listening to her mentor and the med cat slash the other prophetic cats that were older than her that forced Dovewing to keep it secret from Ivypool. So it was actually Lionblaze and Jayfeather that we’re prophetic cats, Dovewing and Ivypool were like half and half, together they were basically one prophecy cat.
This isn’t exactly a defense but still, I did my best XD
Finally someone thinks the same thing as me! Every Dovewing fan that reads this, stay strong!
I totally agree. Dovewing being a prophecy cat kinda set up Ivypool to be a spy. I like to think that they’re secretly both prophecy cats but StarClan are just jerks and decided not to tell anybody. Just make Hollyleaf the fourth cat (or fifth I guess?) and we’re all set.
I personally Liked dovewing I think shes a great character But people stopped liking her when they killed off hollyleaf and realized she was an replacement
DOVEWINGS IS 100% BETTER THEN IVYPOOL
What was firestar's power again? Screentime? Im just gonna pretend the fourth cat was Ivypool.
Oh~ Yeah! And I know what her powers should be!!! (Yes plural okay?) #1. Being able to decide between what eye color she has! #2. Keeping a secret for a good reason! #3. Not having to cry after being changed into a normal cat! #4. ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO SAVE THE CLANS!!!!!! I dunno just some ideas.....
Let’s go with that.
I've been looking everywhere for Firestars power and he didn't seem to have any
Dont you know? He had the power of a main character!
Ivypool is the prophecy cat Dovewing is the main contributor for Ivypool’s prophecy without Dovewing Ivypool wouldn’t have a prophecy to begin with so I think Ivypool is more important but Dovewing is used as kind of a stepping stone to make Ivypool great without Dovewing, Ivypool wouldn’t have been stressed of catching up with her so she never would’ve been venerable to the dark forest, and without Dovewing we wouldn’t be able to praise Ivypool because the main thing that fuels Ivypool is Dovewing herself.......Rant Over
Ivypool never had a prophecy.
Geez, add some commas or periods!
This a little hypocritical
Last time I checked the prophecy ended with Gentle Dove’s Wing. No mention of an Ivy anywhere. So yeah.
Please I beg of you to use some periods and commas. Ivypool isn't a prophecy cat, she wasn't reincarnated as far as I know, unlike the three. If you want to see it in an author's perspectives then they would've made another savior if Ivypool wasn't one.
Also, I hope she gets punished for breaking the code. It's unfair if she doesn't, especially so soon after Leafpool. She didn't learn any lessons from Tigerheart's Shadow and neither did he.
she's staying in Shadowclan now so...
Blue Yasss nuuuu dovewing is sweet and caring. When she thought she lost her powers she was concerned about her clan. And she didn’t really want ivypool to go to the dark forest.
TheTrue SourLemon Omg. I completely agree with you
Yes but she made the sad decision of Kin Vs Mate and left her parents and sister behind in Thunderclan and she was going to have kits. It is a small problem and a punishment for her for to leave her family I have learned to like Dovewing a bit more but I still don’t like how she whined through most of Omen of the stars
TheTrue SourLemon So? Just because you like her doesn't mean she doesn't deserve punishment for actively meeting with a tom from a different clan for over a year. She didn't want Ivypool to go to the Dark Forest but she still did, in turn supplying all the information for the living cats about the attack.
You know what team I am?
Hollyleaf
maiziemoonshine 78 I miss Hollyleaf, she was a good character but Erins killed her off because of lack of ideas for her power , and then actually killed her off again in some sort of ‘ redemption / sacrifice scene’.
HOLLYLEAF FOR DA PROHECY!!
I love Hollyleaf X3
MY HOLLY LOVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omg Tysm most likes I've ever had :O
Ooh let me choose
OF COURAE I’M TEAM IVYPOOL! SHE IS MY ALTIMETER FAVORITE CAT!
(If you agree like this comment)
Huge, imense opinion comment ahead:
Team Ivypool.
Dovewing is way too perfect and sometimes acts such "I am Dovewing and I have a power. I use it to lead a group and to walk all over around and telling sister to not fawn over my crushy crush. I am a Mary Sue, and some fans hate me. And yeah, I am very smart since I was made an apprentice because random intelligence boost."
I dislike (not hate, as in the first draft of this comment) Dovewing. She isn't also developed at all in some points. It's like she was made to be the perfect protagonist who has a jealous (maybe secretly anxious) sister, just that the next series has two more believable opposite siblings. I can sympathise with Alderheart's anxiety and I can see that Sparkpelt has a talent she was born with (even she is a Mary Sue too), but Dovewing? I believe they took too much time trying to reach hopeless romantics (not that you guys aren't a public, too. I respect you!)
Ivypool deserves a book, but, a character who had a whole series for her has a special edition. Dovewing has a entire series about her being the third prophecy cat and Ivypool is a much developed character with a story you can feel (that is if you were the average edgy person who's r/im14andthisisdeep, like i was in that fateful day i ranted about Dovewing).
Sometimes the Warriors logic is a little shaky and, I dunno if you saw that, but at least one main character goes downhill while the series goes?
Like: Firestar had a cool story. Then here came Bramblestar, who is having daddy issues he tries to solve (again, i feel that the Erins did a great job by creating relatable situations people can find themselves in), then Lionblaze, then Dovewing. A Vision of Shadows has okay-ish characters, so in my opinion A Vision of Shadows restored everything (waitasecond there's Darktail being such a badass hurt villain- we don't talk about Darktail here)
This are just my own opinions. I don't wanna argue, I just said what I realised while the series passed and especially about Dovewing and Ivypool. That's all I had to say, and I know it's long. But that is it. Warriors has plot holes, but it is also amazing. I hope to have much more books from this cat universe series soon.
I agree with everything you said. Ivypool basically saved the clans, while Dovewing did nothing. Dovewing is so self centred that she didn’t even notice how much her sister suffered. And yes, a vision of shadows restored everything. For once in the series, you didn’t know what would happen next and the main characters weren’t all Mary Sues. Dovewing got Dovewing’s silence and Tigerhearts shadow. Ivypool got nothing.
This comment is seriously under rated!
allow me to explain my side.
everyone says dovewing is a Mary Sue, but honestly, this just isn't true. dovewing is stubborn, naive, headstrong, and even sometimes impulsive. but at the same time, she's kind, caring and overall just a fluffy cinnamon roll. I love characters like these, she's not the brightest, but she's really pure lol. especially dovepaw.
and no development? this isn't true either. when dovepaw is told that she's a prophecy cat, it hits her like a truck. she has this HUGEE weight on her, a huge responsibility she never asked for. why her? she just wanted to live a happy, normal life with her sister and friends. this is when people call her 'whiny' or 'childish'. but how would you feel in this situation? chosen for something you didn't want to be apart of? you'd react the same way, I bet. I don't like how jayfeather reacts here, as he scolds her, and calls her stupid for being a child.
but back to the point, she is immediately forced into something she's never wanted to be in to begin with. and another favorite scene I found of her in fading echoes is, when she senses a windclan cat being attacked by the dogs. she immediately tries to tell lion and Jay to go help them, but lion and jay tell her that in some situations loyalties lie within their clan alone.
this must be extremely confusing for young dovepaw, being as naive and pure as she is, the two just told her that the prophecy is outside of thunderclan.
from these two experiences alone, you can tell she had a lot of development. and I feel you make dovewing out to be a spoiled brain who hates ivypool? but this is far from the text, as dovewing constantly tries to make up with her sister, but ivypool rejects her, time and time again. in my eyes, it feels that ivypool is looking for an excuse to hate dovewing, which just makes me sad.
I have a lot more to say, but this is as lengthy as is. so I'll end it here for now. :)
@@sugarrmoon yes, she had that 'growth' in terms of personality, but for a long part of the arc, she was just dealing with... He-loves-me-ge-loves-me-not issues, which make some of the readers call her whiny and childish. I understand that some readers actually enjoy fluffy cute romances in fiction, but I'm not that person, so that's why I dislike her central focus point for about two books straight - she's way better than Bristlefrost at this chapter, though. And while crushes are a major part of one's evolution, i just think that, while the Dark Forest was basically trying to storm area Lake Territories 51, she was busy dealing with Bumblestripe and Tigerstar. That's all.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, though.
@@sugarrmoon oh my god that is one long reply.
@@sugarrmoon that's why most of the fans (And i would love if it was all the fan's opinion) HATE her. She's a perfect character. A Mary-sue. Just take a secon to think about only ONE flaw she has, and don't forget there's a difference between FLAWS and not doing the GOOD CHOICE. Secretly dating Tigerheart? No, she's just standing for what she belive in. Blaming herself? She has all the reason to blame herself: she's a mess hehe. I just can't find her a flaw.
But plus, she keeps saying she has all the flaws. She says everything is her fault, she says she will fail to save the clans, she says its too much responsibilities... But THEN, when she loses her powers (Probably because Starclan knew how much she sucks) She's crying and trying to have them back. Wow, just wow.
Ivypool wasn't in the prophecy, but she was exposing to such a more important mission than Dovewing. However, Dovewing was more stressed than her. But we all know Dovewing is so ew at fighting, which means she didn't have a big responsibility in the Prophecy to save the clans.
Sorry for all the grammar mistakes i've made; english isn't my language xD
Your videos are getting better and better! NICE JOB!
Ivypool will allways be my favorite, but I never hated Dovewing. I admired that, even as a jung cat with these amazing powers, she never wanted to spie on anyone, because she respected teir privacy. She is a soft and carring person, which is a nice contrast to lionblaze and jayfeather.
*gets to **1:24*
Yeah, uh, I seriously doubt that Ivypool would have been pathetic. The Dark Forest can't make a weak cat strong just like that. Ivypool worked hard to be where she is in life.
*ahem*
Continue.
Ivypool! She is loyal, strong and a hero! Yes, I can't stan Dovewing. She chose love over saving clan (she really have said this in one of the books). Dovewing is more a steppstone on Ivypools way.
True
Definitely,
true but love is also important I love them both I think they are both heroes and i won't change my mind argue all u want about me I won't listen but I still respect ur choice.
* cough * team hollyleaf
But team Ivypool
*cough* team Hollyleaf *cough*
*yup*
Anna same.
Hollyleaf didn't have quite as much personality as characters like Jayfeather, Squirrelflight, Leafpool, and some other main characters, but I really loved what she was given and sometimes I even relate to her. I also liked her relationship with her brothers, and wish she had lived longer to become as close to them as Lionblaze and Jayfeather became in her absense. Hollyleaf was pretty great, ngl.
@PopopamAJ I agree
What's up with sisters being left out? I get that there has to be suspense and plot but I just wonder, "why can't the prophesied cat (Doverwing) be a lone child?" Like if her siblings didn't make it through kit hood or got really sick.
Edit: I wasn't thinking nevermind....
love all the cats zooming around the screen-
-w-
This is really true! Thank you for having an open mind! The only things that actually annoyed me about Dovewing is how their CLANMATES treated her nicely and Ivypool horribly. But that doesn't give us a reason to say Dovewing is awful, like yeah, she's not my favourite cat at all; but I understand her point as well as Ivypool's. And at the end their Clanmates' loved them both equally.
Team Both Cats!
Akira: Tigerheart becoming ShadowClans *amazing* leader.
The Raging Storm: I’m about to end this man’s whole career.
I hate Tigerheart
I like Ivypool more. I just find it a little annoying, and i know its not her fault, but how can Jayfeather and Lionblaze just replace Hollyleaf with a living hairball? I would prefer Hollyleaf as the prophecy cat instead of Dovewing. I find Ivypool as a more interesting cat than Dovewing.
I don't get why people can't like both Ivypool and Dowewing. They both had their flaws and they were both great in their own way.
#TeamIvypoolAndDowewing
Underrated comment
Yeah Jayfeather and Ivypool were literally the heroes of the battle even though one couldn't fight but they played the biggest roles
you know what here imma predict the next books
-bumblestripe becomes ashfur and attacs dovewings kits to give us a reason to why she isnt bad and needs pity or something
-shadowkit becomes leader and is tall shadow reborn
-stickstick is rock
-hawkwhoever forgets about stickstick and almost kills her in battle and voiletgoodname screams at heckwing and joins thunderclam again
-the battle is skyclan and shadowclan vs thunder and wind while riverclan shoves fish popcorn in their faces
-crowfeather dies
-tree i forgot about him but hes important and does something
-finberrynose's dad attacs stickstic for stealing his kid
Mythicalwaters i can see all of these happening
also heckwing
Who is stickstick? Is that Jaypaw's stick?
Stickstick is Twigbranch
RaeO'Sunshyne Rae Who's Twigbranch?
i thought it was twigkit :/
4:52 “ And the pressure of having a huge responsibility… of carrying the story.”
Me: “ Ivypool has back problems?”
Me- Ok guys you're gonna tell me what you had to deal with during Omen of The Stars. Ivypool you go first. Ivypool- I had lies from my sister, abuse from the Dark Forest, stress from pushing myself to hard, responsibility to spy for the clans, bad feelings about myself, and the pressure of having to catch up to Dovewing. Dovewing- I had responsibility too. And I also had lies from Ivypool and um, uh... Nothing else. Me- I think we can clearly see who had it worse.
Ohhh so Ivypool was the one people were comparing my oc to! Man, they have such similar backstories ;;
I personally think Ivypool and Hollyleaf both deserved to have powers. Hollyleaf made a mistake, but she spent a lot of time reflecting in the tunnels, and willingly gave her life to save Ivypool. Ivypool also made the mistake of joining dark forest at first, but she had a good reason, her sister was getting so much attention and love and praise, and people generally overlooked Ivy. She was super jealous, but Dove either was oblivious or just chose the easy way, which was to pity her and treat her as a lesser. If Dove had spent a lot of time treating Ivy like an equal and not "oh, let me help you, oh, you obviously need help", maybe it would be different. The fact that Ivy confessed and went back to spy on the dark forest proves her courage.
Idea:
Get rid of Lionblaze and put them both in the prophecy.
*Yes*
Solved all our problems. Get rid of Firestar, and add Holly.
Eviediamond 1 Hollyleaf doesn’t deserve a power. (Please don’t give me an angry response. I don’t want to respond with four paragraphs explaining my thoughts).
@@thepurplepaw2231 I respect your opinion, Hollyleaf was kinda unreasonable.
Im sorry, but it should be Hollyleaf.
Reason1: loyal
Reason2: smarter..
Reason3: better at rapping!!
Lava WingZ true
Yeah.... nah. I still don't like Dovewing. And it's not about that love stuff. It's just not a character I can relate to. When reading books I want a character who I can relate to in some way shape or form. Or I can have feelings for so that I care what happens to them. Dovewing simply didn't give me anything to attach to. I'm still 100% Ivypool team, but thank you for showing Dovewing in a new light.
Still, I REALLY hate Dovewing, she literally replaced Hollyleaf, wish she was the one to get killed by Hawkfrost
Hollyleaf sucks!
I like them equally. Tigerheart's Shadow was what really sold me on Dovewing.
Dovewing always complained about her powers, yet when she got them taken away like she wanted she complained even more.
Yes, obviously its because imagine living with something your entire life, then you suddenly get it taken away. You may have not wanted it, but it was overwhelming. Like imagnve if you were deaf, and you complained about it, but one day you could suddenly hear, and everything seemed loud and overwhelmign after living your entire life in silence.
@@goos101 this comment is 2 years old👁👄👁
@@loon7353 ik
The reason that Dovewing wasn’t given a chance to join the dark forest was because they knew she was too loyal to her clan and the code so they didn’t bother...
"To becoming ShadowClan's amazing leader"
Me: ghgaduaydfeuyfaydyhahahahahahahahaha
I'm mostly with dovewing, but why not both, so I choose both.
Although, it would have been cool to see IvyPool turn evil. I would personally choose the Dark Forest over StarClan, I don't know why it appeals to me so much. I don't mean to criticize StarClan, but the Dark Forest has much more story behind it,
Dovewin and Ivycool.
#teamivycool XD
#teamdovewin lol
XD😂
I’m #TeamDovewinAndIvycool
Nonie Kangas I agree with you cause I do like both lol (just Dovewing a little more)
I SAW THAT FLASH OF DARK FOREST IVYPOOL I SAW IT
I agree with the whole video but the only part I dont agree with is with Ivypool lying. Shortly after Hawkfrost visited Ivypool she told Dovewing. She told her that she met up with a starclan warrior. But Dovewing wouldn’t tell Ivypool about anything so that coused Ivypool to lie.
MOONKITTI: LOVEWING DOVEWING
When someone tries to defend Dovewing but there well she’s Dovewing
I love Dovewing. But.....yeah, I think Hollyleaf(mostly Hollyleaf) or Ivypool should’ve been in the prophecy. I mean, we have three animals in the prophecy. Lion, Jay, Dove. I say plants are very underrated.
Edit: I edited this because I misspelled a word.
XD I got confused, but I get it now.
honestly, I don't like dovewing because she acted like a brat. she got with bumblestripe because it was easy then left him, then got angry that he still loved her even though he should be angry at her since she clearly used him, plus she left her clan, her sister and her friends like a selfish foxheart just for some guy, she was bratty, annoying and when it came down to it, unloyal.
but I'm fine with people liking dovewing, and I hope people are fine with my opinion to.
Wait doesn’t tiger heart (( Star)) die? Also me team ivy pool
No they bring him back alive since Rowanclaw/star die
TEAM IVYPOOL, TEAM IVYPOOL, TEAM IVYPOOL, TEAM IVYPOOL, TEAM IVYPOOL, TEAM IVYPOOL, TEAM IVYPOOL!
Ik I just realised now a 10 months later that if Ivypool didn’t go to the dark forest hollyleaf will still be alive
Rowanfeather yeah well the whole clans would practically be dead
Im on team ivypool, after everything she has been through. She deserves this
I think that if dovewing was not a prophecy cat, then the story won’t be much different.
Team Ivypool
The reason I hate Dovewing is that she is too perfect of a character and the reason she moves to Shadowclan...none! It is only for plot convenience and for Shadowkit (one of her 3 kits ) to become a main character in the upcoming series !
I like Ivypool better but I don’t hate Dovewing. I like them both, but I just like Ivypool’s character better. I still like Dovewing though.
Same ^^
Same
Yes. Same.
I love your channel and the arguments you have but could you talk a tiny bit faster...
AAAHHHH!! It’s a Dark Glasses nope!!!!
@@mooncloud536 2x if you wish.
Both Ivypool and Dovewing are good characters. Without one another, where would they be today? What would they have been like. I see them as keeping each other in balance in a way. This video makes me want to reread Omen of the stars.
Why I hate Dovewing:
She abondones her prochecy for Tigerheart which I find ungrateful and a disgrace.
And don't get me started with her attitude toward Bubmlestripe. She finds everything in the world either about herself, Tigerheart, or wonderfulness. And she acts so much like a Mary Sue, "I love him" or "I hate him" or "Maybe he is the one!" LIKE COME ON! Just thinking of her gives me depression. I really find it sad how she had to go on all these journeys while another cat could have had the opportunity to go. For example: Jayfeather's trip to the Mountains or even the Search for Twigpaw. Now don't get me wrong that is a good reason why I hate her.
More reasons why:
·Her peronality (like couldn't she be more strict)
·How she treated Bumblestripe and how he explained how he was feeling as if he was Dovewing's "scratching post"
·Assuming Ivypool loved Tigerheart
·Saying to Ivypool that she was better than her
·Running away from the Clans just to have her kits
Edit:#TEAMIVYPOOL BITCHES!
Ok.. not gonna lie dovewing brought some great positivity into the books but ivypool worked really hard to defend other against the dark forest and as was in the video “ the clans where in her paws” she worked hard for that. So in all honesty I will have to say team ivypool
Whatever I liked bumblestripe. So I like them both #teambothcats
TEAM IVYPOOL FOREVER!
Same!
Up
#TeamIvypool
Yes ivy pool, and dove wing
Ivypool is better then dove honestly
I prefer Ivypool and Hollyleaf way over Dovewing
I love Ivypool and hate Dovewing but not because she wasted her time with Tigerstripe it is because she mostly gets whatever she wants just because she’s cute. Also this is MY opinion don’t rage at me
this feels like it came out so long ago
I remember this video being the thing that got me int warrior cats.
6:37 really missed that Dumbledore reference
Team Dovewing all we need are Lionblaze, Jayfeather and Dovewing. Ivypool did not need to be born only Dovewing was the hero out of the litter
Warrior Clan2121 without Ivypool what would doveWing be.huh?
If you think about it dovewing litterly did nothing and in the end switched clans for tigerheart thanks to ivypool the clans were warned of the danger ahead and she also helped to train the cats to fight I personally think the powers given to dovewing are pretty pointless and not helpful compared to what great things many cats have done with out powers.
Team Ivypool forever, she is my favorite character
To be honest I do think that ivypool is the true prophesy cat but I don’t hate dovewing even if dovewing detected the beavers and helped save the clans from the drought but still ivypool did a lot more. But at the same time I cant but feel bad for bumblestripe
Personally i prefer ivypool because i see dovewing as a bit of a mary sue with her biggest issue being a love triangle, just my opinion. However, the newer books portrey her alot better as an actual character with real strugles.
Team Ivypool!
Ivypool is my fav character and She did so much to defeat the Dark forest so she deserves Respect
Same
I'm team ivypool
It's not that I don't like dovewing, I just like ivypool better.
Reply "same" if u agreee
No...
Team brightheart.
Same
I think that Ivypool put more effort into it, but we needed dovewing to make the story arc more positive.
The talent put into your videos is amazing! Your videos are really informational and entertaining.
Great video. You made some amazing points
Team Ivypool! My favorite cat(only shared by hollyleaf) and the best cat!!
The reason I have a major dislike against Dovewing is because Dovewing just seems like a perfect cat. For example Dovewing seemed like a great apprentice in most cats eyes. Another dislike is Dovewing and Tigerstar, I just find it another cliché. I wouldn't say I hate Dovewing but I just don't find her that interesting to read.
I liked Dovewing as a character but I hated how she was "I love him!" In every chapter. Weather it was her feelings for Bumblestripe or Tigerheart I really got annoyed by the fact that she was prancing around with other toms and not focusing on the profecy. After watching this I realised her love struggles were totally necessary for the series to shape! Without Dovewing, Ivypool wouldn't be the cat she is! It was her hate for Dovewing that sent her to the dark forest, to train and spy for the clans all because of Dovewing. Ivypool is a great character and TOTALLY relatable but now I see, we shouldn't be so hateful of Dovewing. Without her, Ivypool wouldn't be Ivypool. All you Ivypool lovers and Dovewing haters none of their stories would've happened if it wasn't for the other sister.
#Teamboth but.... I still kinda like Ivypool better!
Like if you agree!
Hi Bright Guardian Akira. I was wondering if for future videos, you put spoilers warnings for the books that you will spoil. With other videos, I have to watch the first minute to decide wether it will spoil a book I haven’t read. When I do that, I’m afraid I will eventually make the wrong choice. If you do read this comment and decide to make the change, thank you. If not, I respect whatever reason you have.
I'm team Dovewing through and through, but the *ONLY* time she annoyed me is when she could hear into the dark forest. WHAT'S THE POINT OF IVYPOOL BEING IN THE DARK FOREST WHEN DOVEWING COULD JUST HEAR INTO IT!? Ugh. Also Dovewing is such an amzing and supportive parent.
Ivypool should have had the prophecy
Honestly, Team Power of five
Why do all the cats look like they have chocolate chips on their muzzles.
No offense.
But I know everyone was thinking it.
Wolfe and Sunny YT for some reason they look like seeds to me
Heh lol Ivypool didn't KNOW that going to the Dark Forest to train was bad. She just thought it would make her a good fighter so that she would be noticed instead of being ignored so that everyone could pay attention to Dovewing. However I don't hate Dovewing I think she's actually really sweet and I love her just not as much as Ivypool sorry Dovewing
I guess Dovewing is okay when not compared to Ivypool, but still, Ivypool is one of the most relatable cats to me, plus her story was the thing I wanted to read most in Omen of the stars.
Tigerheart dies and Dovewing goes back to ThunderClan
I wish. But no.
Ivypool would be so mad
Dovewing didn’t make anything positive out of it. In fact, she ended up leaving her clan.
I love dovewing. Please don't hate me
𝐴𝑠 𝑆ℎ𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 " 𝑖𝑣𝑦𝑝𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝ℎ𝑒𝑐𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑡"
Nothing good ever comes from a litter with 2 sisters in it I think we all realize that