It's not funny, but I think to many people doesn't really understand how the time moves on in Arcane. Season One from Act 2 to the final, it's a whole week. Between the Final of S1 and the beginning of the first Act of the second Season, it's at least 2 weeks more, can be understands by the funerals and how people acts around (building a monuments take more than a day. Even in Arcane). The chase against Jinx, probably many weeks/a month, with Salo complains about the time. And at this time, Maddie is probably already a spy for Ambessa, like she told to Salo, they always have someone to watch closely on her very move (Cait's move). Deniying the fact about their mutual attraction since the second day of their journey in Zaun, during the Act 2 of S1, it's delusionnal. They WAS together since their, they just didn't say it aloud (count how many times they're so close to each other, holding hand, caressing their cheeks in an attempt to comfort the other etc...). And people assume that's almost a year pass between Acte 1 and Act 2, but Fortiche said "It's few month" so probably only 3-4 months, maybe 5. We don't know for how long she's with Maddie, but it's just a fling for Cait, and a mission for Maddie. Maybe they start RIGHT after Vi's departure, but I don't think so. Ambessa reaction tells us something : it's only recently has she seen Maddie at the Kiramans' house too often. So maybe a month ? Maddie don't deserve the hate she received after the last episode, but Cait and Vi, it's not a Day of relationship against a Year, it's a true love from the beginning against a fake love.
@@cinilinia8035 I think Maddie got more hate after someone uploaded a slow-mo (SPOILERS) of her pointing the gun at Cait with a smile (brief black and white frame) before shooting. She was also aiming at Cait's neck (not her head or heart), which would've killed her slowly.
@@AnnaCCLProtecting Cait is kinda her job you know. At least so she can still put up a facade. Maddie is still a soldier and Cait her Commander and someone just burst into her office. Going up to Vi was the minimum she had to do.
Caith realized long before that she'd crossed lines over her need of "justice" people are ignorant of this scene she realized that she is much to blame over this conflict
The thing is, Maddie never had sway at all. She was just used to relieve stress, if anything it's Ambessa appointing Caitlyn as commander and kind of mentoring her add on to that ofc her still grieving and hateful of Jinx fueling her to do these things. Yeah Ambessa's intentions are probably to have Maddie sway Cait but that's just not working so being close enough to be let in on Cait's plans and strategising and additionally being a contingency in the event Ambessa and Cait's relations fall through.
She had ended the fling. In the prison cell, Cait tells Vi that she saw someone while she was gone…she didn’t say that she is seeing someone or is with someone…
And then later, Caitlyn, knowing that Vi will try to free her sister, sends all prison guards away so Vi could easily free Jinx. Everything that happened after that was just an extra bonus.
*everything after that was a culmination of their relationship, cait showing vi she trusted her judgement and vi finally getting to choose a moment of happiness for herself
@@TelepathicWeasel*while knowing her little sister was going to off herself and she still chose physical pleasure with a woman who previously abused her because she refused to let a child be caught in one of their opperations crossfire. this scene was unnecessary it was toxic it was stupid all the bad stuff. cait and vi do go well together tho both are dumasses
That's the complexity of this scene and that's the point. Caith loss is tragic but she allowed that fuel by admerssia burn that fire. She realized she's crossed lines when becoming a dictator second in command. The line she said WE can't erase our past actions, no matter what good deeds we do. She refers to herself in this realization but feels that it's too late to atone. It's only after vi gives her forgiveness to Caith that she began to move on from the cycle of revenge. If vi and even powder could do it, so can she
It can be interpreted as jealousy, but Ambessa mentioned to Vi that her absence gave her the chance to fill the void she left, that could have been a hint about Maddie. Regardless, in my opinion her character was poorly written. Just before her betrayal, Maddie was assisting Caitlyn to take a headshot at Ambessa.
I love that someone noticed in this scene that we have an armchair by the fireplace. And after the reconciliation we have two, proof of Cait including Vi in all aspects of her life to keep her very close ❤
This isn’t true. There are two chairs in the same room earlier in this season. Besides, I will never understand why Vi would want to do anything other than crush Caitlyn’s head. Literally everything she has despised for years all wrapped up in one woman, and she falls in love? What were the writers smoking?
i dont think much people noticed but at 0:46 maddie hits Vi with her shoulder trying to push her on her way out, but instead Vi didn't move an inch and maddie actually bounced back 😂
I don't think thats what happening. She goes around Vi, tryign to avoid her/not to touch her. if you notice there's no sound either. So there really isn't any contact.
Vi doesn't see Maddie as competition, because she's not. Vi literally has bigger concerns than a juvenile attempt at claiming Caitlyn as property. Maddie's like, "so you're on the Brute squad..." And Caitlyn follows, "She IS the brute squad."
@@Manessonbro's still the goat the only one who didn't agree with ambessa, was there with vi at her lowest and saved civilians in the first episode with litterally no equipment, bro just took idk a door? i don't even know but he fr saved the day in season 1 and was with vi until she made him fk off. he was a ride or die and he died
I love how after what Caitlyn's done and given her new position of power in Piltover, Vi still feels comfortable enough around her to voice her opinion (and loudly) while just barging into one of Cait's meetings....in Cait's own home🤣 kinda cute. Caitlyn looks like she expected nothing less.
This is why they work as a couple in the end, they can charge at each other, argue til their lungs collapse, but always understand where the other is coming from and meet in the middle because they know it’s what needs to happen or make the other happy/prove they can be trusted. My favourite couple in the show ❤❤❤❤
@@blazepheonix11that’s all they ever do. The relationship between these two is always hostile, confrontational, and occasionally violent. Why should we want these two together? They should be mortal enemies. Caitlyn is everything Vi despises. Or is so stupid that she throws that out the window because she’s a pretty girl? Wow, so I’m supposed to like these people. I liked them before, and Arcane made me despise them. Thanks for that, stupid fucking show.
I do WISH they could have had the runtime to SHOW discombobulated Cait and literally staving-off-a-nervous-breakdown Jinx having to work together to extract unconscious Vi from the commune…
This is the complexity of this scene and that's the point that people are missing. Caith loss is tragic but she allowed that revenge fuel by admerssia and lead her to do not justice but revenge. She realized she's crossed lines when becoming a dictator second in command. The line she said WE can't erase our past actions, no matter what good deeds we do. She refers to herself in this realization and feels that it's too late to atone. It's only after vi gives her forgiveness to Caith that she began to move on from the cycle of revenge. If vi and even powder could do it, so can she
@@Buffy8Fan exactly. Arcane is full of symbolism and subtlety, and requires you to read between the lines constantly. People who are frustrated are the same people who don't catch up on the intentions between spoken words. With Arcane, I can confidently say that if you didn't enjoy it, it's an intellectual problem, and not a source material problem.
@@TQM Just got done reading a fanfic minutes ago that had Caitlyn not even say a word to Vi when unlocking her cell because she didn't feel she deserved her and Vi in return just walked out the door flinching at her as she walked by. The A/N stated their relationship in the show had a power dynamic problem and the fanfic was how the sex scene should have happened. Its sad that after so many people read between the lines of S1, not nearly as many are doing so with S2.
@@yousufanwar7030 i mean jinx sort of had the obligation to, no? cait's just betrayed a mf warlord to save vi and jinx's father whom she's never met (and saw the aftermath of killing a bunch of her enforcers), least jinx could do is save her from the fella tryna kill her cos of the betrayal
I had a feeling i recognized Loris's voice. Its Earl Baylon, voice of Jonah Maiava in Tomb Raider. Now I'm even more annoyed they killed him off ao unceremoniously. He seemed like a really cool dude who was always there for everyone only to kill him off at the end. I get its the unfairness of war but he was cool.
Vi appears to have gray eyes (like Maddie) most of the time, but in some scenes they look blue, not as blue as Cait's tho. Edit: I just found out her eyes are defined as "powder blue", while Jinx's are "violet red".
Im sorry but when I saw this scene I LOL'd like girllll Did Vi really just expected Cait to be fine and trust Jinx when the girl KILLED HER MOTHER (and her fellow enforcers, and almost her multiple times)??😂
That's the complexity of this scene and that's the point. Caith loss is tragic but she allowed that fuel by admerssia burn that fire. She realized she's crossed lines when becoming a dictator second in command. The line she said WE can't erase our past actions, no matter what good deeds we do. She refers to herself in this realization but feels that it's too late to atone. It's only after vi gives her forgiveness to Caith that she began to move on from the cycle of revenge. If vi and even powder could do it, so cam she
@@tomasgonzalezaspe599 I guess, but like cmon is common sense😂 Even if cait really stopped hating jinx, trusting the killer of her mother (who also almost killed her numerous times) is another thing
@@brandr7964wait isn't Cait technically the first to break the cycle of violence, she sets up the prison to be guardless for vi to break out jinx, that's the very thing that makes the sex scene so significant.
@@skywltnAmbessa was the mole that allowed the attack to happen, if you watch the scene where Cait becomes a general, the chem baron recognizes her. The attack was to cause more division between P&Z and give Piltover a reason to rely on Ambessa. It was also supicious that Mel only gets hit and not severely injured like Jayce when the Zaunite infiltrator had Mel in point blank shooting distance.
She declared war on the general with 5 ships for Vi's sake, literally a civil war. And Vi is worried that Cait doesn't trust her sister? Hmmm... How do you underestimate everything Сait does for her?
@ it was very rushed in general (season 2). The only way they could make Jinx go into a spiral of depression was make someone close to her die. It couldn’t be Vi so what better option than to create a new character and kill them off few eps later. :/
Vi told Cait she was trying to save her dad (a.k.a. Vander), but didn’t tell her that Jinx was there, too. Cait didn’t know Jinx was Vi’s hidden back-up plan in case something unexpcetedly happened, because at that point of time, Cait was still teaming up with Ambessa.
Maddie always came across to me as a psychopath, but not a very capable one, somebody who has genuine feelings, however they always fall victim to their mental condition - “do not do as I wish and suffer the consequences”. Maddie thought _she_ was the manipulator but got manipulated, she thought _she_ outsmart people but got outsmarted herself at every turn, and so on. Could have things worked out different? Maybe, if Cait would have actually fallen in love with her and done everything for her … which was never going to happen, but, again, Maddie was not very clever. One could feel sorry for her, if she just wasn't such a little p.o.s.
Maddie simply didn`t want to die with the rest of them in an unwinnable fight against Ambessas forces for someone who doesn`t give a s**t about her anymore.
Umm.... can someone explain what Caitlyn meant when she said "you didn't let me on that part of your plan?" Like I know she is talking about Jinx here, but like how exactly did Vi plan to have Vander escape?
@@wasupp_pal well, Caitlyn did try to wake Vander up but it didn't seem to work lol Vi couldn't tell Cait Jinx was involved because she didn't trust Cait would help her with Jinx being a part of the plan. Jinx was a backup plan in case Caitlyn didn't follow it.
A “contingency” plan is a safeguard against the risk of something unexpected causing a main strategy to fail. Caitlyn thinks Vi stationed Jinx there to defend Vander just in case Caitlyn would not follow through on executing the plan. Which would imply that Vi did not trust Caitlyn to follow through and thought there was a risk of her not doing what they’d agreed on. In reality Vi didn’t tell Jinx to do anything but Caitlyn doesn’t know that and assumes Vi knew Jinx would be armed protecting Vander but chose not to tell Caitlyn that.
@@Chillingqueen3 well she didn’t have time to return to the compound and talk to Jinx before Caitlyn brought her in to Ambessa, and she didn’t know that the Noxians were there to get Vander until Caitlyn told her. So I don’t think she meant to line Jinx up as part of the plan, beyond just knowing Jinx was there. I think Vi took the accusation more generally as Caitlyn saying Vi didn’t trust her to tell her Jinx would be there and lashed out over Caitlyn implying Vi owed her trust
Question: How Long was Vi knocked out for? Her hair has grown by a LOT since episode 6 and there doesn't seem to be any indication that there's been a time skip and yet her hair is WAAAY longer then before. Seriously compare her hair now to how short it was back at the end of Act 2. It honestly kinda reminds me of that joke from Dragon Ball Z Abridged when 22 hours have gone by and everyone is shocked by this and no one knows how they lost so much time.
I honestly think Vi was being unreasonable here. Even if Jinx supposedly changed, she was still a criminal and had to pay for her crimes. She shouldn’t be surprised that she was arrested.
She was arrested herself all throughout her teen hood she knows first hand of that experience. You think after her sister relationship was slowly healing she was going to let that happen? Why you think Caith made the guards in prison go away. She done putting blood on her and vi hands
@@brandr7964 I understand her emotions behind her objections, but she's still choosing to forget her crimes just for a chance of having her family back when that ship has already sailed. Plus, her arrest was much more justified than Vi's.
Putting Jinx in prison for the rest of her life after she's shown she's not actually a bad person doesn't help anyone, it just causes more pain. She needed help, not punishment.
I don't think the show is telling you she's completely worthy of redemption. She just "walked away" sort to speak. Arcane doesn't really force it like a lot of other shows do. You can easily understand why her sister who failed to protect her would want to still save her life.
I understand why maggie betrayed cait. The girl felt used and actually she was. She was a collateral damage to the break up of caitvi, she understood what happened in the moment vi entered the room, and obviously got mad.
It’s pretty heavily implied that Maddie was working with noxus from the beginning, she was the first enforcer to start the noxian salute of Cait being a dictator, ambessa talks about taking advantage of caits vulnerability the scene after we see her with Maddie, Maddie is here listening in to the conversation, and in the final episode it doesn’t look like a spur of the moment thing, it looks like the noxians expected her to aid them
No, she stood with Ambessa since the first moment, and also genuinely supported Cait, but when Cait betrayed Ambessa Maddie chose Ambessa over her. Her loyalty is for Noxus
I would've liked to have seen that scene though. After Isha died and Vi protected Jinx from the blast and took the brunt of it. I'd have liked to see Jinx barking at Cait to get Vi help. Then surrendering to her when she did. I know we got a little flash or two when Vi was waking but I'd have really liked to have seen that scene with Jinx.
Ok . Question. Does anyone think Maddie was always a plant? Or do you think she only turned on Cait after hearing this conversation? Hell hath no fury like a Ginger scorned. So was she always a little spy? Or did she turn to the other side after feeling spurned by Cait?
She was always a spy_ Ambessa warned Cait about professional entanglement, and said it again when she was about to kill Cait. Maddie was a mole planted by Ambessa to keep an eye on Cait, bcoz she suspected Cait morality might shift to be on the good side. In Addition, Maddie is wearing a Noxus uniform beneath the Piltover uniform, check the hands you'll see a three node connection which is a symbol of Noxus
im more inclined to believe she switched teams. besides the fact that she's portrayed as being very emotionally-invested in caitlyn up until her betrayal (and didnt seem to care much for caitlyn's alliance with ambessa initially; beyond just supporting caitlyn), ambessa seemed to have taken an interest in caitlyn following her invading the councillor's meeting and announcing she was forming a strike team and taking matters into her own hands... so, in other words, after maddie was already in caitlyn's in-circle - imho, it wouldnt make much sense for ambessa to have planted a spy on caitlyn prior to this. likewise, i think it's the most narratively-satisfying option. first and foremost, maddie is presented as being a very sweet, sensitive and idealistic person, while - also - coming off very naive and gullible; i think it'd make a lot of sense for her character to have slowly been indoctrinated by ambessa's steadfast, results-delivering regime throughout caitlyn's time allied with her (especially because she seemed to be the closest person to caitlyn during these times). i imagine that (following a seeming-betrayal from caitlyn) maddie felt she had no more reason to continue siding with piltover, and (as a result) turned to the noxians; not necessarily just out of spite, but also believing them to be the morally-superior side (not siding with jinx, cracking down on the undercity, delivering on all of their promises, etc) meanwhile caitlyn, the de-facto leader of piltover's side, was unable to really follow through on her main promise and ultimately ended up allowing jinx to live. arcane's all about the "butterfly effect"; every bad and traumatic thing we witness our characters endure was brought about because of something they did proceeding it - i think it's the most in-keeping with this theme, for maddie's betrayal to have been a monster caitlyn inadvertently-created as a result of (what maddie perceived it to be) a betrayal on her part
@@zaddyfaye6880 Plus it had to hurt - that Cait put Vi in what looks to be HER bed, to recover. Maddie probably doesn't like another woman in Cait's bed. lol
I love the way Caitlyn said "check on my father?" to Maddie
Like bitch just go rake up sand on the beach I don't care, my queen just entered.
😂😂😂
Damn 😂
YOOOOOO 😂
Why was she even still with Maddie at that point? What was she doing there!?
@@celestialasmr9624 She was part of the team. Loris was there too.
Love how cait took her to her house to recover and posted a guard by the bed, girl was way more worried about her than Jinx
In her own room too 🤭
her own bed at that too, she was probably taking care of Vi day and night when she's free aww
@@gianagomez937 yess I’m sure if there was more time we’d have had a scene of her nervously taking care of/looking out a knocked out vi
And the drapes are violet. They used to be green in act I
@@AiryZero not green, I believe teal
maddie getting kicked out will never not be funny. like damn cait and vi have just been together for like a day 😭
I mean i agree in the first part but they have problably know for more than that
It's not funny, but I think to many people doesn't really understand how the time moves on in Arcane. Season One from Act 2 to the final, it's a whole week. Between the Final of S1 and the beginning of the first Act of the second Season, it's at least 2 weeks more, can be understands by the funerals and how people acts around (building a monuments take more than a day. Even in Arcane). The chase against Jinx, probably many weeks/a month, with Salo complains about the time. And at this time, Maddie is probably already a spy for Ambessa, like she told to Salo, they always have someone to watch closely on her very move (Cait's move). Deniying the fact about their mutual attraction since the second day of their journey in Zaun, during the Act 2 of S1, it's delusionnal. They WAS together since their, they just didn't say it aloud (count how many times they're so close to each other, holding hand, caressing their cheeks in an attempt to comfort the other etc...). And people assume that's almost a year pass between Acte 1 and Act 2, but Fortiche said "It's few month" so probably only 3-4 months, maybe 5. We don't know for how long she's with Maddie, but it's just a fling for Cait, and a mission for Maddie. Maybe they start RIGHT after Vi's departure, but I don't think so. Ambessa reaction tells us something : it's only recently has she seen Maddie at the Kiramans' house too often. So maybe a month ?
Maddie don't deserve the hate she received after the last episode, but Cait and Vi, it's not a Day of relationship against a Year, it's a true love from the beginning against a fake love.
@@cinilinia8035 Maddie was a traitor and Ambessa's plant from the beginning. She was the first Enforcer to give the Noxian salute.
@@cinilinia8035how long was Vi unconscious for do you think?
@@cinilinia8035 I think Maddie got more hate after someone uploaded a slow-mo (SPOILERS) of her pointing the gun at Cait with a smile (brief black and white frame) before shooting. She was also aiming at Cait's neck (not her head or heart), which would've killed her slowly.
Maddie approached vi as if she could stop her lol 😭. be for real girl, u have no authority here
The mistress going up to talk to the wife.
It’s not like Vi is some kind of edgelord that would have punched Maddie through the wall in a display of strength if Cait refused to talk to her
@@Rumx1412 I didn't say that? it's just funny how maddie thinks she can stop vi when vi would simply ignore her and continue arguing
@@AnnaCCLProtecting Cait is kinda her job you know. At least so she can still put up a facade. Maddie is still a soldier and Cait her Commander and someone just burst into her office. Going up to Vi was the minimum she had to do.
@@Rumx1412 bro chill?? I'm just joking around and u r taking it all too seriously. know how to have fun, no?
That “I KNOW”is SO WELL DELIVERED
Caith realized long before that she'd crossed lines over her need of "justice" people are ignorant of this scene she realized that she is much to blame over this conflict
So glad I am not the only one loving the impact on this line! peak voice acting ❤
Katie Leung ATE
It hit so hard despite being soft. I could FEEL that pain.
That recoil from Cait when Maddie tried to touch her hand and then the eavesdropping. She knew she was losing her sway on Cait.
The funny part is I noticed Maddie’s face when vi came you can tell she didn’t want her there 00:36
I'm surprised that Maddie was even there at all. Like why hadn't Cait already ended things
The thing is, Maddie never had sway at all. She was just used to relieve stress, if anything it's Ambessa appointing Caitlyn as commander and kind of mentoring her add on to that ofc her still grieving and hateful of Jinx fueling her to do these things.
Yeah Ambessa's intentions are probably to have Maddie sway Cait but that's just not working so being close enough to be let in on Cait's plans and strategising and additionally being a contingency in the event Ambessa and Cait's relations fall through.
she never had any sway. she was what's called, a rebound
She had ended the fling. In the prison cell, Cait tells Vi that she saw someone while she was gone…she didn’t say that she is seeing someone or is with someone…
And then later, Caitlyn, knowing that Vi will try to free her sister, sends all prison guards away so Vi could easily free Jinx.
Everything that happened after that was just an extra bonus.
*everything after that was a culmination of their relationship, cait showing vi she trusted her judgement and vi finally getting to choose a moment of happiness for herself
“I need a plan”
@@TelepathicWeasel*while knowing her little sister was going to off herself and she still chose physical pleasure with a woman who previously abused her because she refused to let a child be caught in one of their opperations crossfire. this scene was unnecessary it was toxic it was stupid all the bad stuff. cait and vi do go well together tho both are dumasses
That's the complexity of this scene and that's the point. Caith loss is tragic but she allowed that fuel by admerssia burn that fire. She realized she's crossed lines when becoming a dictator second in command. The line she said WE can't erase our past actions, no matter what good deeds we do. She refers to herself in this realization but feels that it's too late to atone. It's only after vi gives her forgiveness to Caith that she began to move on from the cycle of revenge. If vi and even powder could do it, so can she
1:10 someone said this looked like an angry dad waddle and I can’t unsee it
Omg I CAN'T UNSEE IT EITHER HAHA
"I'm not mad kiddo, but I'm dissappointed"
It’s the mom crossing of arms by Caitlyn and the dad waddle by Vi…I felt like I was watching my parents fight and I shouldn’t be there 👀
Maddie being shown listening in at the door was foreshadowing huh
how?
You can even see in the wide shot that the door is slightly ajar, she was listening in until the end
yeah but most ppl just took it as just her being jealous n bitter so they brushed it off 😅
It can be interpreted as jealousy, but Ambessa mentioned to Vi that her absence gave her the chance to fill the void she left, that could have been a hint about Maddie. Regardless, in my opinion her character was poorly written. Just before her betrayal, Maddie was assisting Caitlyn to take a headshot at Ambessa.
Maddie might have known that Hextech rifle wouldn't work on Ambessa@@TiaMoshii
Cait and Vi hitting the worried mom and dad poses is so funny to me 😭
i love cait’s voice and accent sm bruh 😩😩😩😩😩
Same
I wish British people were real 😔
same 🥹
I love that someone noticed in this scene that we have an armchair by the fireplace. And after the reconciliation we have two, proof of Cait including Vi in all aspects of her life to keep her very close ❤
And then they sit on the coffee table anyways. Hilarious. :))
@@beatriceistired Exactly! Cait adapts to Vi in any situation, the girl doesn't even think hahahaha
@@beatriceistiredyou guys notice all this silly things that makes me miss them even more how do I moved on from this? 🤣😭😭
This isn’t true. There are two chairs in the same room earlier in this season.
Besides, I will never understand why Vi would want to do anything other than crush Caitlyn’s head. Literally everything she has despised for years all wrapped up in one woman, and she falls in love? What were the writers smoking?
@@moonmoon2479 Shimmers it makes people gay
Im so glad all these clips are getting uploaded so I can continue to rewatch them a dozen times and worsen my psychosis
I hate how relatable this is LOL
@@siamesefightingfish2861 no LOL if you want to keep it at that level of relatable
@@siamesefightingfish2861 we are in this together, friend
are you s1 Jinx watching all of these CaitVi clips???😭
@@taylorparis7228 yes but in a supportive way
i dont think much people noticed but at 0:46 maddie hits Vi with her shoulder trying to push her on her way out, but instead Vi didn't move an inch and maddie actually bounced back 😂
Didn't see that, good catch :D
STOP IM WHEEZING THATS AMAZING
I don't think thats what happening. She goes around Vi, tryign to avoid her/not to touch her. if you notice there's no sound either. So there really isn't any contact.
@@sorrybabyx No there's a tiny bump
Vi doesn't see Maddie as competition, because she's not. Vi literally has bigger concerns than a juvenile attempt at claiming Caitlyn as property. Maddie's like, "so you're on the Brute squad..." And Caitlyn follows, "She IS the brute squad."
LORIS SHOULDNT OF DIED THAT MAN WAS AN ICON TO ME
YOU'RE SO REAL FOR THAT 😭😭
How ? He barely said or did anything.
"Shouldnt have"
@@Manessonblame netflix
@@Manessonbro's still the goat the only one who didn't agree with ambessa, was there with vi at her lowest and saved civilians in the first episode with litterally no equipment, bro just took idk a door? i don't even know but he fr saved the day in season 1 and was with vi until she made him fk off. he was a ride or die and he died
I love how after what Caitlyn's done and given her new position of power in Piltover, Vi still feels comfortable enough around her to voice her opinion (and loudly) while just barging into one of Cait's meetings....in Cait's own home🤣 kinda cute.
Caitlyn looks like she expected nothing less.
This is why they work as a couple in the end, they can charge at each other, argue til their lungs collapse, but always understand where the other is coming from and meet in the middle because they know it’s what needs to happen or make the other happy/prove they can be trusted. My favourite couple in the show ❤❤❤❤
@@blazepheonix11that’s all they ever do. The relationship between these two is always hostile, confrontational, and occasionally violent. Why should we want these two together? They should be mortal enemies. Caitlyn is everything Vi despises. Or is so stupid that she throws that out the window because she’s a pretty girl?
Wow, so I’m supposed to like these people. I liked them before, and Arcane made me despise them.
Thanks for that, stupid fucking show.
I'm gonna miss those beautiful blue eyes and that voice
“check on my father” is so funny bc there’s literally no reason to check up on him
"see if he needs another cup of coffee or something, i dunno"
Literally go do anything else 😂
Vi and her figurative language lmao
"Mongoose" "pig" The girl is consistent XD even if really emotionally heavy moments, it's great
That’s gotta be the sexiest “I know” anyone’s ever uttered
That is the most beautiful thumbnail I've ever laid my eyes upon
Maddie walked towards Vi thinking she could stop her is the funniest shit! Then she had to walk around her like she's a brick wall!😂
The fact that caitlyn put vi in her bed…
Yes I too saw that
In a muscle shirt. Caitlyn is planning ahead.
1:22 I KNOORR 🤾🏻♀️
Bro I wanted to see more tension with Vi & Maddie like I NEED GIRL DRAMA
Maybe because Maddie is a spy not a lover
vi dgaf. maddie's got beef with the wall
Marriage trouble already
0:01 Vi preggos with Cait’s baby
I do WISH they could have had the runtime to SHOW discombobulated Cait and literally staving-off-a-nervous-breakdown Jinx having to work together to extract unconscious Vi from the commune…
Plus an injured and still slightly frazzled Jayce, who likely was the one to carry Vi out.
This is the complexity of this scene and that's the point that people are missing. Caith loss is tragic but she allowed that revenge fuel by admerssia and lead her to do not justice but revenge. She realized she's crossed lines when becoming a dictator second in command. The line she said WE can't erase our past actions, no matter what good deeds we do. She refers to herself in this realization and feels that it's too late to atone. It's only after vi gives her forgiveness to Caith that she began to move on from the cycle of revenge. If vi and even powder could do it, so can she
When I look at you, I dont even see you.
-Vi's body language quoting the book of Mizu at Maddie.
How can people still say caitlyn and vi didn't have a "talk". Here it is, pretty much in your face
I feel like the people who are saying that and other things like the show is rushed, aren't really watching the show and/or are surface watchers.
@@Buffy8Fan exactly. Arcane is full of symbolism and subtlety, and requires you to read between the lines constantly. People who are frustrated are the same people who don't catch up on the intentions between spoken words.
With Arcane, I can confidently say that if you didn't enjoy it, it's an intellectual problem, and not a source material problem.
@@TQM Just got done reading a fanfic minutes ago that had Caitlyn not even say a word to Vi when unlocking her cell because she didn't feel she deserved her and Vi in return just walked out the door flinching at her as she walked by. The A/N stated their relationship in the show had a power dynamic problem and the fanfic was how the sex scene should have happened. Its sad that after so many people read between the lines of S1, not nearly as many are doing so with S2.
@@Buffy8FanThat's some bad fanfic...
@@Buffy8FanMe being a fan of ATLA and TLOK: first time?
Caitlyn's eyes are just a wonder ❤
Ahahahha Maddie was in Vi's face but Vi's eyes never left Caitlyn.
Vi...really doesn't gaf. Shes funny.
I noticed everytime Vi is mad at someone she loves she tries not to be too rude or yell at them..she’s so sweet😭🩷
0:41 HAHAHAHAHAHA, Cait didn't let the homewrecking cat touch her cottoncandyVI 🤣🤣❤️💙
i love possessive cait
imagine if maddie was listening in for intel and all she got was couple bickering
The Maddie slander in this comment section is giving me life 🤣🤣
Ok Maddie deserves to die but not loris
Yeah, I felt sad for Loris, he was a good friend of Vi and Caitlyn, but the Noxians were to much.
1:22 why is that "I KNOW" so hot though
Vi being so unreasonable. "Arrested?" - duh, what else you thought was gonna happen? Be happy Cait didn't shoot Jinx on sight
Well, Jinx could've just stood and watch Caitlyn die too, lol.
@@yousufanwar7030 i mean jinx sort of had the obligation to, no? cait's just betrayed a mf warlord to save vi and jinx's father whom she's never met (and saw the aftermath of killing a bunch of her enforcers), least jinx could do is save her from the fella tryna kill her cos of the betrayal
Cause she has the IG of a mongoose
Lmao Vi mogged Maddie
Jinx has killed people including Cait's mom but Vi expects Jinx to be free because she has changed. Like what??
I had a feeling i recognized Loris's voice. Its Earl Baylon, voice of Jonah Maiava in Tomb Raider. Now I'm even more annoyed they killed him off ao unceremoniously. He seemed like a really cool dude who was always there for everyone only to kill him off at the end. I get its the unfairness of war but he was cool.
the color of Maddie's eyes... is the same as Vi's (?)
Vi appears to have gray eyes (like Maddie) most of the time, but in some scenes they look blue, not as blue as Cait's tho.
Edit: I just found out her eyes are defined as "powder blue", while Jinx's are "violet red".
Im sorry but when I saw this scene I LOL'd like girllll Did Vi really just expected Cait to be fine and trust Jinx when the girl KILLED HER MOTHER (and her fellow enforcers, and almost her multiple times)??😂
I guess vi hoped that in some way she could have both the girl she Loves and her sister
That's the complexity of this scene and that's the point. Caith loss is tragic but she allowed that fuel by admerssia burn that fire. She realized she's crossed lines when becoming a dictator second in command. The line she said WE can't erase our past actions, no matter what good deeds we do. She refers to herself in this realization but feels that it's too late to atone. It's only after vi gives her forgiveness to Caith that she began to move on from the cycle of revenge. If vi and even powder could do it, so cam she
@@brandr7964 letting go of hatred for someone and trusting them are two separate things.
@@tomasgonzalezaspe599 I guess, but like cmon is common sense😂 Even if cait really stopped hating jinx, trusting the killer of her mother (who also almost killed her numerous times) is another thing
@@brandr7964wait isn't Cait technically the first to break the cycle of violence, she sets up the prison to be guardless for vi to break out jinx, that's the very thing that makes the sex scene so significant.
WAIT WAIT WAIT I NEED A MOMENT B4 I SEE THIS😭🙏
I want to know maddie betrayed cait because of hate her or from the beginning she is the mole ?
mole
Probably mole but only the creators can confirm it
from the beginning. i assume she was responsible (the mole, put by ambessa) for the attack during the memorial ceremony on act 1
A hole … she was a hole in her head oooooooooooo
@@skywltnAmbessa was the mole that allowed the attack to happen, if you watch the scene where Cait becomes a general, the chem baron recognizes her. The attack was to cause more division between P&Z and give Piltover a reason to rely on Ambessa. It was also supicious that Mel only gets hit and not severely injured like Jayce when the Zaunite infiltrator had Mel in point blank shooting distance.
Maddie has no authority here
She declared war on the general with 5 ships for Vi's sake, literally a civil war. And Vi is worried that Cait doesn't trust her sister? Hmmm... How do you underestimate everything Сait does for her?
0:52 How did I miss that?!?
0:50 your father should checked on her
I just want to talk to her.
Vi: where are the others? Cait? Jinx?
Me: Isha…?
I mean she saw isha being blown to pieces
@ yeah, but I hate that she wasn’t mentioned once in act 3
@ true 100% same!
@@Chillingqueen3 in that, wtf was point of killing get off?
@ it was very rushed in general (season 2). The only way they could make Jinx go into a spiral of depression was make someone close to her die. It couldn’t be Vi so what better option than to create a new character and kill them off few eps later. :/
How long was Vi unconscious for?
Cati have time for dye VI’s hair as pink😂
Spoilers:
Maddie’s fate has been made the moment she became a side chick
Yay she's dead
Can so explain what Cailtyn means with “you think I am so daft I can’t recognize a contingency?”
Not native speaker sorry
Vi told Cait she was trying to save her dad (a.k.a. Vander), but didn’t tell her that Jinx was there, too. Cait didn’t know Jinx was Vi’s hidden back-up plan in case something unexpcetedly happened, because at that point of time, Cait was still teaming up with Ambessa.
Maddie always came across to me as a psychopath, but not a very capable one, somebody who has genuine feelings, however they always fall victim to their mental condition - “do not do as I wish and suffer the consequences”. Maddie thought _she_ was the manipulator but got manipulated, she thought _she_ outsmart people but got outsmarted herself at every turn, and so on. Could have things worked out different? Maybe, if Cait would have actually fallen in love with her and done everything for her … which was never going to happen, but, again, Maddie was not very clever. One could feel sorry for her, if she just wasn't such a little p.o.s.
Maddie simply didn`t want to die with the rest of them in an unwinnable fight against Ambessas forces for someone who doesn`t give a s**t about her anymore.
Umm.... can someone explain what Caitlyn meant when she said "you didn't let me on that part of your plan?" Like I know she is talking about Jinx here, but like how exactly did Vi plan to have Vander escape?
@@wasupp_pal well, Caitlyn did try to wake Vander up but it didn't seem to work lol
Vi couldn't tell Cait Jinx was involved because she didn't trust Cait would help her with Jinx being a part of the plan. Jinx was a backup plan in case Caitlyn didn't follow it.
A “contingency” plan is a safeguard against the risk of something unexpected causing a main strategy to fail. Caitlyn thinks Vi stationed Jinx there to defend Vander just in case Caitlyn would not follow through on executing the plan. Which would imply that Vi did not trust Caitlyn to follow through and thought there was a risk of her not doing what they’d agreed on. In reality Vi didn’t tell Jinx to do anything but Caitlyn doesn’t know that and assumes Vi knew Jinx would be armed protecting Vander but chose not to tell Caitlyn that.
@@vickell2887are you sure she didn’t tell jinx to be on watch?
She didn’t deny it
@@Chillingqueen3 well she didn’t have time to return to the compound and talk to Jinx before Caitlyn brought her in to Ambessa, and she didn’t know that the Noxians were there to get Vander until Caitlyn told her. So I don’t think she meant to line Jinx up as part of the plan, beyond just knowing Jinx was there. I think Vi took the accusation more generally as Caitlyn saying Vi didn’t trust her to tell her Jinx would be there and lashed out over Caitlyn implying Vi owed her trust
Question: How Long was Vi knocked out for? Her hair has grown by a LOT since episode 6 and there doesn't seem to be any indication that there's been a time skip and yet her hair is WAAAY longer then before. Seriously compare her hair now to how short it was back at the end of Act 2. It honestly kinda reminds me of that joke from Dragon Ball Z Abridged when 22 hours have gone by and everyone is shocked by this and no one knows how they lost so much time.
I can't tell the difference
Poor maddie :[
She was a spy dude
I'm still mad at how they did Maddie dirty
I really liked her
She had potential and they wasted it
Why did Vi's hair color change after a few days ? TT
The Black was paint, cheap paint.
She took an actual shower instead of dunking her head in a sink and screaming over her lost cupcake.
Shower to rinse cheap dye
@@PunkiniSo someone showered her while she was unconscious 👀
she did wake up in caits bed. cait probably took care of her and watched over her when she could.
sorry not realize, arrived to a conclusion that her sister best chance with a good life is with cait and away from her.
Maddie is cool. JUDGE ME
I still like her🙃
I just did
@@Nnjjuudd good
GINGER LORD FARQUAD
judging loudly ❤️
I KNOWRR
😮😮😮😮
I honestly think Vi was being unreasonable here. Even if Jinx supposedly changed, she was still a criminal and had to pay for her crimes. She shouldn’t be surprised that she was arrested.
She was arrested herself all throughout her teen hood she knows first hand of that experience. You think after her sister relationship was slowly healing she was going to let that happen? Why you think Caith made the guards in prison go away. She done putting blood on her and vi hands
@@brandr7964 I understand her emotions behind her objections, but she's still choosing to forget her crimes just for a chance of having her family back when that ship has already sailed. Plus, her arrest was much more justified than Vi's.
@@mauriceisaac3646 u think vi gives a damn
@@brandr7964 Exactly my point.
Putting Jinx in prison for the rest of her life after she's shown she's not actually a bad person doesn't help anyone, it just causes more pain. She needed help, not punishment.
I *hate* when people try to redeem characters that committed enough crimes to give them 10+ life sentences.
You mean Jinx?
I don't think the show is telling you she's completely worthy of redemption. She just "walked away" sort to speak. Arcane doesn't really force it like a lot of other shows do. You can easily understand why her sister who failed to protect her would want to still save her life.
I understand why maggie betrayed cait. The girl felt used and actually she was. She was a collateral damage to the break up of caitvi, she understood what happened in the moment vi entered the room, and obviously got mad.
It’s pretty heavily implied that Maddie was working with noxus from the beginning, she was the first enforcer to start the noxian salute of Cait being a dictator, ambessa talks about taking advantage of caits vulnerability the scene after we see her with Maddie, Maddie is here listening in to the conversation, and in the final episode it doesn’t look like a spur of the moment thing, it looks like the noxians expected her to aid them
No, she stood with Ambessa since the first moment, and also genuinely supported Cait, but when Cait betrayed Ambessa Maddie chose Ambessa over her. Her loyalty is for Noxus
She was betraying her way before this.
😡😡😡
Why was this guy loris added atleast Maddie had a plot
Caitlyn was too cold towards Maddie. She treated her like a prop. Cold hearted. 🩵🥶🧊.
TBF Maddie was just a hookup to help Cait get over Vi
@TheWolfsHowl666 yea i kinda figured that but i still didn't like the whole situation.
I would've liked to have seen that scene though. After Isha died and Vi protected Jinx from the blast and took the brunt of it. I'd have liked to see Jinx barking at Cait to get Vi help. Then surrendering to her when she did. I know we got a little flash or two when Vi was waking but I'd have really liked to have seen that scene with Jinx.
Ok . Question. Does anyone think Maddie was always a plant? Or do you think she only turned on Cait after hearing this conversation?
Hell hath no fury like a Ginger scorned. So was she always a little spy? Or did she turn to the other side after feeling spurned by Cait?
She was always a spy_ Ambessa warned Cait about professional entanglement, and said it again when she was about to kill Cait. Maddie was a mole planted by Ambessa to keep an eye on Cait, bcoz she suspected Cait morality might shift to be on the good side.
In Addition, Maddie is wearing a Noxus uniform beneath the Piltover uniform, check the hands you'll see a three node connection which is a symbol of Noxus
im more inclined to believe she switched teams. besides the fact that she's portrayed as being very emotionally-invested in caitlyn up until her betrayal (and didnt seem to care much for caitlyn's alliance with ambessa initially; beyond just supporting caitlyn), ambessa seemed to have taken an interest in caitlyn following her invading the councillor's meeting and announcing she was forming a strike team and taking matters into her own hands... so, in other words, after maddie was already in caitlyn's in-circle - imho, it wouldnt make much sense for ambessa to have planted a spy on caitlyn prior to this.
likewise, i think it's the most narratively-satisfying option. first and foremost, maddie is presented as being a very sweet, sensitive and idealistic person, while - also - coming off very naive and gullible; i think it'd make a lot of sense for her character to have slowly been indoctrinated by ambessa's steadfast, results-delivering regime throughout caitlyn's time allied with her (especially because she seemed to be the closest person to caitlyn during these times). i imagine that (following a seeming-betrayal from caitlyn) maddie felt she had no more reason to continue siding with piltover, and (as a result) turned to the noxians; not necessarily just out of spite, but also believing them to be the morally-superior side (not siding with jinx, cracking down on the undercity, delivering on all of their promises, etc) meanwhile caitlyn, the de-facto leader of piltover's side, was unable to really follow through on her main promise and ultimately ended up allowing jinx to live.
arcane's all about the "butterfly effect"; every bad and traumatic thing we witness our characters endure was brought about because of something they did proceeding it - i think it's the most in-keeping with this theme, for maddie's betrayal to have been a monster caitlyn inadvertently-created as a result of (what maddie perceived it to be) a betrayal on her part
@@zaddyfaye6880 I like this! I agree with a good portion of it. I was just curious about peoples thoughts on how it went down. :)
@@zaddyfaye6880 Plus it had to hurt - that Cait put Vi in what looks to be HER bed, to recover. Maddie probably doesn't like another woman in Cait's bed. lol
I think so too, i still think that if Caitlyn really liked maddie and if vi didn't showed up, maddie wouldn't have switched sides