+Henrik Fugmann Thank you, Henrik! The Pro 2 and the Sub 37 are different enough to complement each other. None really gets in the way of the other. If I had to choose, though, I'd pick the Pro 2 for its sonic versatility.
Now you have me thinking this might be nice for soundscapes to compliment the Prophet-6, & to interface with modular stuff if I am so lucky in the future.
+Bob I. Gomez Definitely. I'm planning to add a Prophet-6 too. They will complement each other well. If you're using modular stuff as well, the Pro 2 is going to be a wise choice.
The Rev2 is a 16 or 8 voice (depending on what version you get) analog poly synth, the successor of the Prophet '08. The Pro 2 is a hybrid mono synth with a 4 voice paraphonic mode, digital oscillators and 2 filters that are similar to the ones in the Prophet-6 and OB-6. The differences in terms of features are really too many to mention. In short I'd say that the Rev2 is a very flexible analog poly synth while the Pro 2 is Sequential's biggest modulation monster that allows for more than subtractive synthesis and features an extremely versatile sequencer and CV connectivity in case you wanna use it with Eurorack modules, for example. You'll find an overview in Sequential's synth comparison chart over here: yo41t1y5gos9jw8f3lptw0xo-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DSI-Synth-Comparison-Chart-4.6.pdf
That depends on your priorities. The basic engine is the same, but the Pro 2 offers 13 additional wave forms, two very different filters, and a powerful sequencer that's just another powerful modulation source on top of the 16 freely assignable modulation slots and the 4 LFOs. Finally, the Pro 2 provides CV ins and outs. So there can definitely be a point in owning both.
Hi Paul, great videos about the Pro2, thanks for that. I already own a DSI Rev2 16 voice and was wondering if I got a Pro2 would they compliment each other or would they duplicate each other. I’d respect your opinion of this :)
Thanks, 666JGNotts! The Pro2 and the Prophet Rev2 would rather complement each other on many fronts. To name just a few of the very obvious differences: The Pro 2's DSP-based oscillators are completely different and provide many more digital and complex waveforms compared to the Rev2's oscillators. They can also modulate each other via AM and FM, and serve as modulation sources for everything else. The filter section also sounds completely different. The Pro 2 features no Curtis filter on a chip, but 2 discreet filter circuits. One of which is the lowpass filter that is also featured in the Prophet-6, which is inspired by the original Prophet-5 filter (before they used Curtis chips). The second filter is a variable state filter that was inspired by the classic Oberheim SEM filter. The latter is not exactly the same circuit as in the OB-6, but a variant thereof. With these two filter types, the Pro 2 is probably the most flexible DSI machine in that department. You can also use a split function that allows you to route the first 2 oscillators through the 1st filter and the second 2 oscillators through the 2nd filter. Then there's the tuned feedback that allows you to shape sounds in a completely different and sometimes really nasty manner. It basically feeds the outcoming audio signal back into the signal path right before the filter section. Then there are four fully independent delays that you can pan to your liking and that also have their own filter settings for the delayed signal. You can also modulate all of the delays' parameters. You can not only use them for echo effects, but also for Flanger, Chorus, and Reverb effects or techniques similar to Karplus-Strong Synthesis, which is a subcategory of Physical Modeling. The latter is useful for plucked, percussive, or metallic sounds. Finally, you have an extremely flexible sequencer which you can either use with up to 16 steps and 16 tracks, or up to 32 steps and 8 tracks. Only the first track is meant for note/pitch values (which can also be deactivated), the other tracks can basically be used as additional modulation slots. Think of this sequencer as not a MIDI sequencer (for sequencing notes in the conventional sense) but a giant modulation source. It's kind of like a deluxe version of the Rev2's gated sequencer, but much easier to program thanks to the hands-on controls. In terms of modulation, the Pro 2 is currently also DSI's craziest synth. If you think the Rev2 provides a lot of mod slots, the Pro 2 does way more and offers an even greater variety of modulation sources and destinations. It's a real tweaker's synth that more or less comes as close as possible to a modular system in a self-contained box. But it can also be made to interact with modular systems via its 4 CV inputs, 4 CV outputs, and the gate output. Those are just a few of the most obvious differences. In short: The Pro 2 does not only sound different from the Rev2, it also comes with a helluva lot of different features.
The Pro 2 arrived late yesterday so I've only had a short time to mess with it. All I can say is that nothing can prepare you for just how massive this thing sounds :) I am so glad I bought this.... now the fun starts!
I can't answer that question in general terms. It depends on what you're looking for: an up to 16-voice duotimbral polyphonic analog synth with extensive modulation options and internal FX, or a monophonic hybrid synth with a 4-voice paraphonic mode, endless modulation options, CV connectivity, a powerful sequencer, and 4 modulatable delays. Both are totally different: different oscillators, different filters, different paramater options, different mod matrix. If you don't care about one being polyphonic and the other one being monophonic/paraphonic, then your best bet is to try them out in person in order to find out which one's functionality and sonic character convinces you most, or meets your musical goals more adequately. My personal choice would always be the Pro 2, which I consider to be my desert island synth because a) it's a hybrid, b) it has the most pleasing filter combo of any DSI instrument in my view, c) its sequencer is complex but easy to operate, d) its paraphonic mode allows for more timbral variety per note than any conventional poly synth, e) its waveforms, character section, feedback path, and analog distortion, f) it can be used for external audio processing, and g) it can be connected to modular or other voltage controllable gear.
yeah i like the sequencer on the pro 2 because its easy to use.... the sequencer on the Rev 2 is garbage... like its harder to use... I understand it.. but editing notes after the fact is a pain in the ass....
I am in the same boat. I did play the rev2 and was not convinced like "oh my". to my liking I had to move each preset like 2 scales down. most of the preset are too hogh pitched. pro2 sounds more raw . . deep, creative , , decisions, decisions...
just the fact that the reasons go all the way up to g. The rev 2 is an incredible deal at $1500/$2000 fr an 8 or 16 voice. The PRO 2 is probably the single best synth for studio purposes if you dont mind being tedious with overdubbing, plus its a gret live monophonic paraphonic instrument, PLUS external processing, and we dont just mean running things into a filter, but the sequencer the LFOS hell the tuned feedback. And live, if you have backing tracks and/or a looper, even the lack of polyphony isnt the biggest deal, unless you want to be inprovising with huge 12 voice chords.
Sorry for the late reply, Matthew. The patch consists of 4 sawtooth waves with individual oscillator slop settings, so there's a healthy dose of detuning involved. Both filters are active, about 2/3 towards the serial setting. Filter 2 is set to BP to give it that nasal sound. The filter frequency of the state variable filter is modulated by an LFO. The frequency of that LFO is in turn modulated by an envelope, which results in the changing speed of the filter frequency modulation. Two delays are active, panned to the left and the right with a polyrhythmic time setting. The mod wheel negatively controls the intensity of the envelope that modulates the LFO frequency that in turn modulates the BP filter's frequency. At the highest mod wheel setting there's no filter modulation at all. Touch slider 1 controls the LP filter frequency and also adds more delay, touch slider 2 has the state variable filter morphing between the BP filter and notch filter modes. And finally, aftertouch is adding a little bit of distortion to the mix. That's basically it.
Very well done - the Pro 2 is a super cool sounding synth
+Stue007 Thank you, Stue007! And yes, the Pro 2 would definitely be my desert island mono synth.
Thanks for the reply I love my Prophet Rev2 !
Great demo! Sounds great. See you next time in the Nashville Synth meet up.
+Chris Ousley Thank you, Chris! See you next week.
Thanks for the nice demo. I can see a Moog Sub 37 in your studio too. Which one do you prefer - the Pro2 or the Sub37?
+Henrik Fugmann Thank you, Henrik! The Pro 2 and the Sub 37 are different enough to complement each other. None really gets in the way of the other. If I had to choose, though, I'd pick the Pro 2 for its sonic versatility.
Now you have me thinking this might be nice for soundscapes to compliment the Prophet-6, & to interface with modular stuff if I am so lucky in the future.
+Bob I. Gomez Definitely. I'm planning to add a Prophet-6 too. They will complement each other well. If you're using modular stuff as well, the Pro 2 is going to be a wise choice.
Hi Paul, nice stuff mate, the Pro 2 has a great sonic pallet. Cheers Glyn.
+Glyn Darby Thank you, Glyn!
what's the difference between prophet rev2 vs prophet pro 2 ?
The Rev2 is a 16 or 8 voice (depending on what version you get) analog poly synth, the successor of the Prophet '08. The Pro 2 is a hybrid mono synth with a 4 voice paraphonic mode, digital oscillators and 2 filters that are similar to the ones in the Prophet-6 and OB-6. The differences in terms of features are really too many to mention. In short I'd say that the Rev2 is a very flexible analog poly synth while the Pro 2 is Sequential's biggest modulation monster that allows for more than subtractive synthesis and features an extremely versatile sequencer and CV connectivity in case you wanna use it with Eurorack modules, for example. You'll find an overview in Sequential's synth comparison chart over here: yo41t1y5gos9jw8f3lptw0xo-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DSI-Synth-Comparison-Chart-4.6.pdf
cool some incredible sounds your getting...i just got a pro 2!
Thank you, Mica! And congrats on your Pro 2.
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Is there any point in owning a Prophet 12 and Pro 2?
That depends on your priorities. The basic engine is the same, but the Pro 2 offers 13 additional wave forms, two very different filters, and a powerful sequencer that's just another powerful modulation source on top of the 16 freely assignable modulation slots and the 4 LFOs. Finally, the Pro 2 provides CV ins and outs. So there can definitely be a point in owning both.
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Hi Paul, great videos about the Pro2, thanks for that. I already own a DSI Rev2 16 voice and was wondering if I got a Pro2 would they compliment each other or would they duplicate each other. I’d respect your opinion of this :)
Thanks, 666JGNotts! The Pro2 and the Prophet Rev2 would rather complement each other on many fronts. To name just a few of the very obvious differences:
The Pro 2's DSP-based oscillators are completely different and provide many more digital and complex waveforms compared to the Rev2's oscillators. They can also modulate each other via AM and FM, and serve as modulation sources for everything else.
The filter section also sounds completely different. The Pro 2 features no Curtis filter on a chip, but 2 discreet filter circuits. One of which is the lowpass filter that is also featured in the Prophet-6, which is inspired by the original Prophet-5 filter (before they used Curtis chips). The second filter is a variable state filter that was inspired by the classic Oberheim SEM filter. The latter is not exactly the same circuit as in the OB-6, but a variant thereof. With these two filter types, the Pro 2 is probably the most flexible DSI machine in that department. You can also use a split function that allows you to route the first 2 oscillators through the 1st filter and the second 2 oscillators through the 2nd filter.
Then there's the tuned feedback that allows you to shape sounds in a completely different and sometimes really nasty manner. It basically feeds the outcoming audio signal back into the signal path right before the filter section.
Then there are four fully independent delays that you can pan to your liking and that also have their own filter settings for the delayed signal. You can also modulate all of the delays' parameters. You can not only use them for echo effects, but also for Flanger, Chorus, and Reverb effects or techniques similar to Karplus-Strong Synthesis, which is a subcategory of Physical Modeling. The latter is useful for plucked, percussive, or metallic sounds.
Finally, you have an extremely flexible sequencer which you can either use with up to 16 steps and 16 tracks, or up to 32 steps and 8 tracks. Only the first track is meant for note/pitch values (which can also be deactivated), the other tracks can basically be used as additional modulation slots. Think of this sequencer as not a MIDI sequencer (for sequencing notes in the conventional sense) but a giant modulation source. It's kind of like a deluxe version of the Rev2's gated sequencer, but much easier to program thanks to the hands-on controls.
In terms of modulation, the Pro 2 is currently also DSI's craziest synth. If you think the Rev2 provides a lot of mod slots, the Pro 2 does way more and offers an even greater variety of modulation sources and destinations. It's a real tweaker's synth that more or less comes as close as possible to a modular system in a self-contained box. But it can also be made to interact with modular systems via its 4 CV inputs, 4 CV outputs, and the gate output.
Those are just a few of the most obvious differences. In short: The Pro 2 does not only sound different from the Rev2, it also comes with a helluva lot of different features.
Paul Dither Excellent thanks very much for your detailed reply. I think I will be spending some more money today now :)
Apologies to your wallet. ;-)
The Pro 2 arrived late yesterday so I've only had a short time to mess with it. All I can say is that nothing can prepare you for just how massive this thing sounds :) I am so glad I bought this.... now the fun starts!
Congrats! Enjoy the journey.
pro 2 or Rev 2?
I can't answer that question in general terms. It depends on what you're looking for: an up to 16-voice duotimbral polyphonic analog synth with extensive modulation options and internal FX, or a monophonic hybrid synth with a 4-voice paraphonic mode, endless modulation options, CV connectivity, a powerful sequencer, and 4 modulatable delays.
Both are totally different: different oscillators, different filters, different paramater options, different mod matrix. If you don't care about one being polyphonic and the other one being monophonic/paraphonic, then your best bet is to try them out in person in order to find out which one's functionality and sonic character convinces you most, or meets your musical goals more adequately.
My personal choice would always be the Pro 2, which I consider to be my desert island synth because a) it's a hybrid, b) it has the most pleasing filter combo of any DSI instrument in my view, c) its sequencer is complex but easy to operate, d) its paraphonic mode allows for more timbral variety per note than any conventional poly synth, e) its waveforms, character section, feedback path, and analog distortion, f) it can be used for external audio processing, and g) it can be connected to modular or other voltage controllable gear.
yeah i like the sequencer on the pro 2 because its easy to use.... the sequencer on the Rev 2 is garbage... like its harder to use... I understand it.. but editing notes after the fact is a pain in the ass....
I am in the same boat. I did play the rev2 and was not convinced like "oh my". to my liking I had to move each preset like 2 scales down. most of the preset are too hogh pitched. pro2 sounds more raw . . deep, creative , , decisions, decisions...
just the fact that the reasons go all the way up to g. The rev 2 is an incredible deal at $1500/$2000 fr an 8 or 16 voice. The PRO 2 is probably the single best synth for studio purposes if you dont mind being tedious with overdubbing, plus its a gret live monophonic paraphonic instrument, PLUS external processing, and we dont just mean running things into a filter, but the sequencer the LFOS hell the tuned feedback. And live, if you have backing tracks and/or a looper, even the lack of polyphony isnt the biggest deal, unless you want to be inprovising with huge 12 voice chords.
Dang. I really want to see how the patch at ua-cam.com/video/DGGEdz_dShw/v-deo.html was designed.
Sorry for the late reply, Matthew. The patch consists of 4 sawtooth waves with individual oscillator slop settings, so there's a healthy dose of detuning involved. Both filters are active, about 2/3 towards the serial setting.
Filter 2 is set to BP to give it that nasal sound. The filter frequency of the state variable filter is modulated by an LFO. The frequency of that LFO is in turn modulated by an envelope, which results in the changing speed of the filter frequency modulation.
Two delays are active, panned to the left and the right with a polyrhythmic time setting.
The mod wheel negatively controls the intensity of the envelope that modulates the LFO frequency that in turn modulates the BP filter's frequency. At the highest mod wheel setting there's no filter modulation at all.
Touch slider 1 controls the LP filter frequency and also adds more delay, touch slider 2 has the state variable filter morphing between the BP filter and notch filter modes.
And finally, aftertouch is adding a little bit of distortion to the mix. That's basically it.
Paul Dither wow thank you so much for the detailed description!!