I like how this highlights that, since Naruto is out of the picture, the Shinobi have gone back to their old ways, Naruto was the shinning light of the Shinobi world, he made the other Shinobi and nations to try to be better without going against their morals. Now that he's gone they've lost they light and have gone back to the dark past, of konoha exploiting people which lead to dire consequences which lead , the Uchiha genocide, turning rin into the three tails and which lead to the Shinobi world wars. Just to say all these "Shinobi actions" came with a massive repercussions
He just needed the right reason. The “king” that Asuma would teach Shikamaru about is happening in full swing. Shikamaru is the ONLY hokage that suits this task
Arguably this IS Shikamaru not compromising his morals. His mentor was murdered by the physical personification of evil, a man who had killed probably _thousands_ of non-combatants for money. The Shinju aren't nearly as malicious as Hidan but they're significantly more dangerous because they're operating on pure impulse and instinct and you can't really trust that not to suddenly hurt a loved one. A domesticated tiger is still a wild animal.
@kleatise52 Having that level of power and no impulse control and a predator drive makes them more dangerous in my opinion, it's akin to having multiple Buu's roaming around. Ryu even states before team 7+ showed up he was gonna just wander around murdering any Shinobi he saw, just because he could, and Ryu is the weaker of the pair. Hidan is certainly extremely threatening but he's in essence a serial killer and serial killers are predictable.
If anything, this showcases the paper-thin morals of everyone else. The difference between a regular Ten-tails and a Shinju is that the latter is anthropomorphic, that's it. Where it a beast-shaped beast, this would be NO moral quandary. Can you convince them to NOT kill anyone else? Probably. Does that mean giving up on the comrades whose bodies they used to attain that anthropomorphosis? Absolutely. Even if we weren't talking about getting Sasuke back, a major help in the whole world's defenses, it would still be right to take down the Shinju with the least possible casualties.
@@biohazard724 what’s worse, someone that kills everyone they see for religion unless they are an ally or someone that might kill you but might be convinced not to. Lol I mean cmon these characters could never walk up to hidan and try to be friendly.
I think that’s what most important here. In a way, there is no good or bad answer. Both Naruto & Shikamaru were shaped through different life experiences which traumatized and molded them into the men they are today. Interestingly enough though, wasn’t Jariya, Naruto’s mentor, slain by Pain, and instead Naruto chose to forgive him?
Realistically, in both chess and shogi, you have to make risky moves that appear to jeopardize the game plan. I really hope Kohohamaru finds a better way though
UNLESS...Shikamru is intentionally playing on Konohomarus feelings by using his genuis intellect to know this is the only way to achieve the desired outcome. I'm just throwing darts at the board, but everytime Shikamaru makes a play, we as the viewer often are mislead by his initial actions only to see the real plan unfold.
Based on this video, I’d assume the Naruto like character in Konohamaru won’t be able to kill Matsuri while the New Age Sand siblings will kill Ryu + take Thorn Bulb, all with some other troubles that pop up
That’s what I think as well. I reckon he will actually try to turn Matsuri into an ally, and just as she’s about to flip, Sarada and the others kill Ryu and Matsuri goes apeshit on Konohamaru
It may not be "morally" the right decision.......... HOWEVER, "situationally" it's the BEST course of action Shikamaru has taken with the current situation. In my opinion!!
On the surface, yes. But in real time, It’s not. Betrayal has never gotten good results. Especially with enemies as strong as the Shinju and Jura in particular. This plan relies too heavily on mind games. I think Shikamaru knows this plan will fail at some point, but it’s just enough to buy him enough time to think of a counterplan
if sending team 7 would have such a big repurcussion then kashin koji would have warned shikamaru about it beforehand, the fact that he didn't means the chance of it happening is very less
I had perceived this move as something even Shikamaru was disgusted with but was goaded into it by Kashin Koji since we see the toad on Shikamaru's shoulder when Konohamaru asked who his source was
Rule number 1 of being a shinobi. LEARN TO SEE THROUGH DECEPTION! JURA has read books about shinobi. He told Ryu things about the Konoha Shinobi. Ryu didn’t say everything Jura told them. Ryu is also playing mind games. That’s why he says “FOR REALS” Shinki as a character has always been on guard and when you think you’ve fooled him. He’s fooled you. Watch his fight with Mitsuki again…
@ nobody is Touching Ryu. Infact I don’t even think the real Ryu is walking with them. Shinki was always tricky and on guard for no reason. Even pretentious. But used it for good or to humble opponents. Now Ryu is just wicked. Nobody but maybe Mitsuki will put a dent on Ryu cuz he’s learned purple lightening.
Seriously. It's an extremely unappealing story trait, to so blatantly twist the setting around the author's moral stance then point at the characters that made sound decisions under normal circumstances and laugh at them for not knowing the narrative is all-powerful.
Exactly. Always bugs me when people talk about "what is this story trying to teach us? What message is it trying to tell us?" I don't come to stories for your agenda, I come for a good STORY.
He obviously knows that he's a fictional character in a story. At this very moment, he's messing with the audience's minds. He just doesn't do it directly in an obvious way by breaking the 4th wall like how Deadpool does it. He does it in a less obvious way, more like the Joker. After all, he is a shinobi. The one thing that all shinobi have in common is deception.
@ javetts Exactly, but even Hiruzen's qantyfans forget about it. Such a person living in real life would know how to deal with Naruto. 60% of his mistakes are the decisions of the manga author.
I don't think this would have a negative affect on Jura in the way you think. I think the way this will backfire is that it will work- and Jura will learn more about humanity. We know that he loves to learn about humanity but most of that has been in theory, from books. That's why he was so invested in the interactions of team 10 because he encountered something he couldn't conceive of. And then he learned something. That's exactly what will happen, only this time he'll learn the art of deception and emotional manipulation. Instead of turning him off to humanity it'll make him even more curious. Naruto's way would've been to turn him into a friend and he does that by showing people who he is. Shikamaru is showing Jura a villain, and that's exactly what he's going to end up shaping Jura into. In that way Jura, once he becomes an actual villain, will be the creation of Konoha- ironically like so many other villains that came after Konoha. It falls in line more with the Shinju and Jura being like wild beasts, like children, learning everything for the first time. Children learn infinitely more from watching adults interact, and the things they learn the fastest are the bad things. Once they've done enough learning they begin testing these things out, and eventually it shapes them into the person they become. Guess that means Shikamaru is also being a bad dad lol
you have made my boyfriends christmas eve because i recently made him watch all of naruto and shippuden and he has the most unnecessary beef with Shikamaru 😂 i just sent him a screenshot of this video and his response is literally, “more like shitamaru amirite” and im CACKLING
@@My_Rythm i’ll ask him! 😂 he makes fun of me because i will SCREAM any time someone mentions that FUCKING KABUTO WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE I MEAN COME ONNNNN
When you dont have an absurdly overpowered GOD being on your side, you have to do morally grey things to defeat the unbeatable monsters. Naruto or Boruto can just blow them up or talk them down with their magical talking abilities, but they dont have those options available.
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The point people are missing is how dumb this plan is. It’s not even a “risky” plan, it’s a death assured plan that’s gonna go completely wrong when it comes to the betrayal part of the plan. Except none of them are likely to die 🤣
I think the war on Shinju is unavoidable because it's either this cold tactic or finding out that Shikamaru has been working with Boruto behind Jura's back. Also for Boruto to act, Jura needs to be eliminated. I don't agree with this tactic, but Shikamaru is up against the wall for helping Boruto escape the Leaf Village. His title as Hokage is at stake. Also, his decision holds the lives of Konoha in his hands. I know Naruto wouldn't allow this decision, but his gullible attitude led him to be trapped in another dimension with his wife by the person he wanted to save, which was Kawakii. I'm actually excited about the twists and turns for this manga. I can't wait to read it for the new year. I wish for anybody reading this happy holidays and an even better new year. I hope your dreams and wishes come true.
His gullible actions are the reason the alone reason the planet hasn’t been devoured. Isshiki would have won had Naruto listened to Shikamaru. Everybody should be thanking Naruto
I think in someway Shikamaru’s plans won’t go as stated. But I would rather love it if shikamaru’s does a big brain huge plot twist on everyone. I would like “the plan” to actually fail but shikamaru is like, “I actually planned it to not follow through so I can actually go fwd with the real plan”. I just don’t want him to go out like that and I think it’d be a huge redemption for shikamaru
Also I like Naruto but I do hate that we kinda accepted his bad, illogical characteristics and started to believe his way is the right way. For example, he was willing to bring sasuke back and keep him as a friend, no matter what bad thing sasuke did. Like if sasuke killed so many people, did so much wrong and even at some point wanted to destroy the whole hidden leaf village at some point. I would believe if sasuke was to kill an important character like kakashi Naruto would be high mad/upset but he would still forgive him. If we’re being honest, he kinda technically deserved to died in the story but I get it, kishimoto wanted to leave a message that had a happy ending for the main character. So now when it comes to the shinju’s how else will we get the other characters back? So either they kill the shinjus or they actually befriend the shinjus and they actually don’t get their friends back(which I doubt).
@ sorry let me correct myself. I don’t remember any active kills but based on working for orochimaru (doing what he requests) for those years, cause we know many people died for orochimaru to advance. My main reasons for saying that is cause he had no problem saying he was going to destroy the village, he was willing to kill kakashi, Sakura, Naruto and more. So yeah I don’t remember him actively killing anyone, he’s actually not really good at that task lol (example: orochimaru, itachi, danzo and the previous I mentioned)
Jura has also stated his interest in both Shikamaru and Shikadai. Will be interesting to see if Jura goes the “son for a son” route rather than immediately leveling Konoha.
Couldn't orochimaru clone either Sasuke's or sarada's eyes so that she could take them and get EMS using similar principles as what we have for organ cloning
@kleatise52 it would be a very unsatisfying twist but at the same time it's the smartest move to do to give a character EMS and to be fair orochimaru kind of already has been doing that that's kind of the entire point of shin Uchiha
It makes sense to do and they could write around it by making it like you can only clone from a living sample so he couldn't clone like madera's eyes and she has to get EMS at some point or just have her mangekyou not lose their light which could work because they were awoken out of love not hatred or pain meaning her eyes aren't going further and further into the darkness so she wouldn't lose light which would be cool but at the same time kind of lame especially since EMS is a power up. And they are trying to go more sci-fi with it so having the characters make this kind of logical decision would be interesting. Because a lot of them haven't made the most logical choices like Sasuke and Naruto should have done a simple blood transfusion or something so they could awaken rinnegan because why wouldn't they
@@benogle4951 this is just my opinion, I think we should move farther away from cloning or anything like it. Keep it minimal and do it tastefully the hashirama cell was bad enough but now there’s shibai cells and if we literally give sarada an artificial Ems, we’re moving away from a good, grounded story.
@kleatise52 perhaps, but they are trying to go more sci-fi with it, and honestly it's not so much that I want to see it happen but more that it would make a good video
13:39 and why does it matter how they get the job done ?? When the big bad of the Story is the entire planet being consumed ???? What are we talking about
Because that's not how Naruto, the show, was written. Like Nick said, this isn't usual for the protagonists, which is why we're made to think if this is the correct way even though the plan is logical on paper.
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Something i really like about the shinjus is that they started by killing people and made us believe they were evil and were just monsters, and then we got hit with they are just beast cubs Which asks the question, If you were in a room with a lion cub with limited food"Would you kill a lion cub because it might be a threat when it's grown or take the risk and raise to be your companion which does not guarantee your safety
Now, you specifically mention that the only time a morally grey, or even morally reprehensible decision has led to no repercussions has been with Shikamaru, so why discount the idea that Shikamaru is the only character that can do it again, and that it really is the Shikamaru thing to do. You also say that he's got incredibly high EQ, but I really don't see it, and that's why these moments work so well for him. I don't see him as a bad guy in any way, but as a person who doesn't concern himself with morals. He has them, but can recognise that there's not always a place for them in decision making
It’s dumb in that he’s betting on the Shinju being weak enough to be taken out by the people he sent, but he isn’t thinking about the consequences of Jura finding out which, outweigh the small defeat they might probably not have
konohamaru might pull an Ohgi from Code Geas: try to fake a friendship but ultimately develop feelings for his enemy that screws over his boss. Best case scenerio, Konohamaru talk no jutsu's Matsuri into understanding that her existence is putting his bestie in trouble Funniest would be that both Matsuri and Konohamaru share a kiss (started by Matsuri) and that, somehow, clears a condition for her "devouring" Konohamaru. Then we can move to discovering what the ofther trees really want.
I agree I like shikamaru because he is more realistic than naruto shikamaru is not going to use the power of friendship or talk no jutsu to solve problems but he use his intelligence
Let’s be real, Konohamaru will not betray Moegi. He’s Narutos student and he’s not heartless. Especially if his enemy isn’t either. I believe he’s gonna pull a talk no jutsu, bc he’s gonna be empathetic towards Matsuri, and convince her to merge back with Moegi bc that’s her true form, and that way, they can always be together (Konohamaru and Matsui) Similar to Roxas and Nomine in KH2
Matsuri still wants to consume Konohamaru, just not the same way that’s implied at the beginning of the arc lol. Big guy is going to be the one lay some wood not the tree girl 🤣
Merry Christmas to you Nick-don't know if you're gonna read this but still wanted to say thanks and as always love the theories and facts that come up in this channel of yours :)
I never catch your drops this early 😂. Just finished reading the last 12 chapters of Boruto and first 17 of two blue vortex. Read them just so I could watch your content spoiler free since I got through most of your Naruto content 😂
Jura could sense the chakra of kurama in himawari from countries away and he doesn't think he'll be able to sense his friends getting killed. Honestly it is a completely stupid plan by a supposed genius. Like surface level it sounds fine but a better plan would be befriend the rest of them and have them help fight against jura then try that underhanded tactic when they r all weak. I'm definitely not a genius and that's 10 times better of a plan 😅
Bro has thrown so many theories on how Konoha gets destroyed that by the time it happens he will always be right lol, even a broken clock says the time right twice a day
I have a question: Do you think the Boruto series would be better if it took place in another universe, where it have elements of the Naruto series, but also a disconnect from the main series? A good example of this is JoJo Steel Ball Run.
IMO, no. A lot of Borutos traction came from the fact that it WAS a continuation of the series. If it was disconnected, it wouldn’t have gotten of the ground until much, much later Edit: I think it would become like a Jax and Daxter type of feel. Like it’s tryna do too many things at once but doesn’t have its own identity to call its own
the moment u had me convinced was when u said, if naruto met a someone who has childlike innocence but was just ridiculously powerful his first instinct would be to a. befriend them and cut them down, or b genuinely befriend them and bring them to their side, Shikamaru messed up! i was thinking he was standin on all ten but i think hes about to have konoha hung up by all ten
The question is, do you just leave Sasuke, Moegi, etc. trapped in trees fr the rest of eternity? The only way to get them out is the shinjus thorn soul bulbs. You have to kill them as far as we know. Just befriending them means those who they replaced Stay in limbo forever. That's the issue.
@@ashyman16Naruto could convince them to give themselves up for the greater good like how Nagato gave up his life to bring back the villagers or Obito giving up his life to save Naruto
@@mawandembatha6622 Maybe, but Obito lived a full life, and was mature enough to be convinced. These shinju literally born yesterday and are interested to experience life and not want to give it up. Regardless of Naruto being nice about it, I could see myself still not wanting to give up my only life when I just got here. I would want to give it up even less if I found something I truly enjoyed like Jura did his books. They probably don't have the emotional maturity yet to see it Naruto's way. Shikamaru's plan is f'd up but it makes sense despite the risk. Any way I glad its this way I appreciate the Moral dilemma in the story.
@ashyman16 These Shinju being so young means they are more likely to actually give up their lives than Obito since they are new to the world and are more easily convinced by more experienced figures. Naruto's idealogy could easily shape their thoughts such that they would thjnk that sacrifice is tge best thing they could do
I always thought how funny it would be if Orochimaru was successful at taking Itachis body. Orochimaru: Yes, Yes I’ve finally acquired the perfect vessel!! (Cough, cough. Looks at hands covered in blood) oh shit heart disease. Noooooo
I usually grab a little snack or a bite to eat and sit to watch your videos, and your opening chest slap that you use to add that audible queue and subscribing. Well it works bro, expect instead of subscribing I all of sudden would like a bag of chips lmao
Why would the story only function off good natured decisions? Shikamaru is not doing something underhanded against any ninja, he’s doing it against an alien species that may or may not consume them all eventually. Why are we acting like this is just an evil plan when this is just a plan out of desperation and logic? Nah I really don’t see him being the reason Konoha is destroyed. TBV is just a different story than Naruto was.
So now you befriended a overpowered person they think you are theyre friend then you betray them and guess what they dont die or worse now the villian you were fighting against has a new ally
Its easy to see why Naruto and Sasuke couldn't be around. Naruto would have simply talked to the shinju and the arc woiuld be over in one page lmao. Sasuke probably would have also either talked to them, or figured out how to get Naruto back and then talked to them, and the entire arc would be over in a couple chapters.
@@mawandembatha6622 nah its true. Naruto is literally Jesus at this point, the peace their world has experienced is largely because of him. Same thing with Sasuke. Both characters can end this whole story in like 2-3 chapters at this point. Shikamaru’s a bit more of a normal human being than both of those two, hence why the struggle that’s going on right now.
@johndotcue This is not rrue as well cause the issue wuth Kawaki and Isshiki took chapters upon chapters to deal with and even then Naruto's supposed Jesus status didn't help with Kawaki cause he ended up sealing him. If Naruto was able to end conflicts within 2-3 chapters, the whole Borushiki and Code thong would've been solved and yet to this day until he was sealed it wasn't
This story reminds me of a significate death in the walking dead series Glenn Rhee. Up to that point the good guys were killing only to protect themselves and try to do good deeds. Then they changed a bit. They were fighting humans of a group that was bad, but not all bad. This group was a threat to the main character good guys. They (The Good Guys) tried to go on the offensive, and got caught. It lead to the stunning death of Glenn Rhee in the series. @20:44 MAnn this is like the baboons of Africa that steal lion cubs from their mothers before they become fully grown lions... Then kill them by eating the lion cubs after they lose interest in them/playing with them.
13:58 To be fair, him giving in to the 9tails is literally what saved him. He just did it to the degree that he almost lost himself. But the actual act? Confirmed got the chakra rods out of him.
the divine trees are literally the 9 tailed beasts. jura loves and respects konoha because naruto befriended the 9 tailed beasts and let them live happy and free
Also each shinju's death/ending will be with them becoming full filled. Masturi will want to return the soul bulb after feeling her love for konohomaru, jura will join with himawari and himiwari will be the 10 tail jinchuriki making her the incarnation of the sage of six paths.
I can't believe I JUST NOW realized this... The Shinju are just like Nobodies from Kingdom Hearts. The way they are created and share the same likeness and abilities of their Somebodies is incredibly obvious. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional...wow. You think Kishimoto likes KH? 🤣 Now that I realize this...how would Konoha deal with the shinju? Would they truly go the route of "death" like in KH? Or will they actually talk no jutsu them into giving up their cores so that their "somebodies" can return? NOW I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THIS GOES!
And another thing , is no one else slightly curious about the other planets that got consumed ? I’d like to imagine that they were more advanced and stronger than the the current planet
Naruto= How to become the best kind of kid. Naruto Shippuden= How to become the best young adult. Boruto= How to best understand your young children. Boruto TBV= How to be the best Parent (young adult).
Hiruzen smoking that pack at not being the "worst" hokage anymore. The slander of the goat may finally end. For real though feeling bad for the shinju is basically like feeling bad for zetsu. "Only people have human rights". Also Kurama was pretty much a complete jackass and sociopath that realistically should probably have been put down if he didn't mellow out. The second Naruto finds out that Sasuke is one of the hosts he would exterminate them all in a heartbeat because thats his nakama and one true love on the level of ramen. (Hinata is one level lower with the rest of his family.
The thing is though, shikamaru isn't a destined child God with a demon inside of him and the supernatural ability to talk genocidal maniacs with 100,000+ kills to their name down into magically becoming good people. He's a normal guy with normal limitations so being a Naruto level saint cannot possibly work for him because hard work and conviction doesn't work unless you've inherited the right bloodline. That's been the accidental real message of Naruto since Shippuden.
Child god and demon has nothing to do with having empathy and talking to someone other than that you have a point shikamaru and Naruto are different people with different views and personality
I will allow myself to disagree with you. Shikamaru is making a mistake, but it is hard to avoid in his situation. First of all, you do not take into account the fact that Shikamaru even now has his logic disrupted by Eida's omnipotence. He supposedly believed Boruto and Kashin, but Boruto himself said that after some time, omnipotence supplants the truth in favor of his vision. And even if Shikamaru guesses that something is wrong, Omnipotence disrupts his logical train of thought. This is a strong mitigating circumstance. The second issue is the fact that Shika is not a mega warrior, he does not have the potential and boost in powers like Naruto and Sasuke, even Naruto without the fox. He has to figure out something because he will not go into battle alone. In addition, there is hostility from the elders, which Shikamaru probably guesses. Because he knows that tolerating Jura's presence will reach them. With all this, it is difficult to call him the worst Hokage. And where is the previously distinguished Kakashi who did not return in a critical situation?
it's wild that we haven't talked about the fact that all this exists under the context of Kashin Koji planning it. Like this is about best future path so even Shikamaru's bad or at least dangerous plan and any negatives should be considered part of Kashin Koji's plan. Maybe team 7 falters and that was what Koji wanted to happen.
Seriously though, right at the start, this Issue was an amazing informatory edition. Live the reintroduction reminding of the Ninja Way, but moreover presented as to achieve an emotional favor towards the Shinju whilst questioning said Shinobi Culture.
I like this, but lets not forget. While the Sinju might have personalities of their own. Redemption is not an option for them. Redemption for the Sinju would mean the death for whoever is trapped in the Clawgrime. I might be sounding like a bad guy, but it doesn't matter that they might end up being good. People will die if no matter what if you don't stop them. Their very existence means your friends will be trapped forever. And I don't think necessarily Naruto would disagree with that. You know how many White Zetsu Naruto smoked. I get where this is going, and the plot is definitely going that way, but that's kind of losing the plot. But I'm actually going to say this is kinda bad writing. Making Shikamaru out to be a bad guy, when actual people are being fed on at this very moment. That's kinda ham fisted. And again. Losing the plot. I mean honestly. It's existence literally depends on the suffering on a person. It doesn't matter how nice it is or how childlike it might be. If it was actually nice. It would let the person it's eating for their chakra and sense of self...go. Naruto would save his friends no matter btw.
True, Naruto's bag of miscellaneous bonky tricks, herewith in actuality serves such a beautiful way of life, whilst Shikamaru now has shown that the brilliant analysis, resulting in a Tactical application of clear issues, since we can already sense a backfire, One further would find that whatever reprisal might follow, as cannot be avoided, most certainly stands to accomplish some unfathomable response from Jura and the rest of the Fam
Biggest problem here is that Shikamaru simply doesn't have sufficient intel, he's purely speculating upon first encounters and observations of the shinju. Had Shikamaru known that Shinju's brutal tendencies in their actions lays not in their nature, but in Jura's interpretation(hence him likening them to animals acting on instinct), I believe he would really not mind gaining more Shogi pieces on his board. I truly believe Shikamaru's course of action is one of the best he could've taken that doesn't take any advantage of protagonist plot armor in favor of the message. Trying to follow the narrative's message all the time would come at the expense of Shikamaru's character, so the turn of events only makes sense to me.
Wait, Code has the variant white Karma of Isshiki; Kawaki has the variant black Karma of Isshiki. Do they need to merge for Kawaki to grow past his limiters? Thereby, allowing Kawaki control over the claws and theoretical control of the shinju. Wrong video, I know. It had just occurred to me.
But isn’t he just doing Kashin Koji’s plan from what he saw in the future? The backfire can’t be on Shikamaru it would have to come from the side from somebody like Kawaki
Naruto would be like "Maybe I can convince Jura I am not that tasty and we can live as friends"
I wloud not be surprised if naruto does try to use talk no jutsu on jura
Jura is built to counter talk no jutsu, bro's definitely gonna be a philosophy nerd.
@@BlaireSnorlax now I want to see the debate lol
Not gonna lie Jura seems like a bro fr he really chilln, polite, will turn a blind eye 😂
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I like how this highlights that, since Naruto is out of the picture, the Shinobi have gone back to their old ways, Naruto was the shinning light of the Shinobi world, he made the other Shinobi and nations to try to be better without going against their morals. Now that he's gone they've lost they light and have gone back to the dark past, of konoha exploiting people which lead to dire consequences which lead , the Uchiha genocide, turning rin into the three tails and which lead to the Shinobi world wars. Just to say all these "Shinobi actions" came with a massive repercussions
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Yet people were hating on naruto cause of the hidden rain thing
And there is a new sun that needs to take his place. But he is currently hidden behind the clouds of confusion…and omnipotence.
Since you put it like that it feels like Naruto was more samurai than a shinobi lmao
“Shikamaru would be a great Hokage if he weren’t so lazy” Asuma Sarutobi (Cigarretes got to his brain”
"cigarettes" 😅
Naaaa him and Amado be lighting up loool
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He just needed the right reason. The “king” that Asuma would teach Shikamaru about is happening in full swing. Shikamaru is the ONLY hokage that suits this task
Arguably this IS Shikamaru not compromising his morals. His mentor was murdered by the physical personification of evil, a man who had killed probably _thousands_ of non-combatants for money. The Shinju aren't nearly as malicious as Hidan but they're significantly more dangerous because they're operating on pure impulse and instinct and you can't really trust that not to suddenly hurt a loved one. A domesticated tiger is still a wild animal.
Disregarding power level, hidan is more dangerous. Bro was a literal psychopath the others are just more powerful
@kleatise52 Having that level of power and no impulse control and a predator drive makes them more dangerous in my opinion, it's akin to having multiple Buu's roaming around. Ryu even states before team 7+ showed up he was gonna just wander around murdering any Shinobi he saw, just because he could, and Ryu is the weaker of the pair. Hidan is certainly extremely threatening but he's in essence a serial killer and serial killers are predictable.
If anything, this showcases the paper-thin morals of everyone else. The difference between a regular Ten-tails and a Shinju is that the latter is anthropomorphic, that's it. Where it a beast-shaped beast, this would be NO moral quandary. Can you convince them to NOT kill anyone else? Probably. Does that mean giving up on the comrades whose bodies they used to attain that anthropomorphosis? Absolutely. Even if we weren't talking about getting Sasuke back, a major help in the whole world's defenses, it would still be right to take down the Shinju with the least possible casualties.
@@biohazard724 what’s worse, someone that kills everyone they see for religion unless they are an ally or someone that might kill you but might be convinced not to. Lol I mean cmon these characters could never walk up to hidan and try to be friendly.
I think that’s what most important here. In a way, there is no good or bad answer. Both Naruto & Shikamaru were shaped through different life experiences which traumatized and molded them into the men they are today.
Interestingly enough though, wasn’t Jariya, Naruto’s mentor, slain by Pain, and instead Naruto chose to forgive him?
Realistically, in both chess and shogi, you have to make risky moves that appear to jeopardize the game plan. I really hope Kohohamaru finds a better way though
Naruto was the one to just make his own rules
Yes i agree! This would be the perfect time for Konohamaru to shine! Since they made him a thwat so far in Boruto
Shogi doesn't use Tailed beasts as disposable pawns
Matsuri: *gets betrayed*
Matsuri: “You know who isn’t human… PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!”
@@jerviasjohnson700 oof. That cuts deep. Especially if that’s said to Shikamaru
Elfen Lied reference
“This universe really is a drag.” -Shikamaru
*Universe explodes*
Shikamaru is clearly universal in power
😂😂😂😂 that’s hilarious
@@bigyoshi5170 you guys are hilarious 😂
UNLESS...Shikamru is intentionally playing on Konohomarus feelings by using his genuis intellect to know this is the only way to achieve the desired outcome.
I'm just throwing darts at the board, but everytime Shikamaru makes a play, we as the viewer often are mislead by his initial actions only to see the real plan unfold.
Like he said vs tatsuya the first move is always a bluff
Based on this video, I’d assume the Naruto like character in Konohamaru won’t be able to kill Matsuri while the New Age Sand siblings will kill Ryu + take Thorn Bulb, all with some other troubles that pop up
That’s what I think as well. I reckon he will actually try to turn Matsuri into an ally, and just as she’s about to flip, Sarada and the others kill Ryu and Matsuri goes apeshit on Konohamaru
It may not be "morally" the right decision.......... HOWEVER, "situationally" it's the BEST course of action Shikamaru has taken with the current situation.
In my opinion!!
On the surface, yes. But in real time, It’s not. Betrayal has never gotten good results. Especially with enemies as strong as the Shinju and Jura in particular. This plan relies too heavily on mind games. I think Shikamaru knows this plan will fail at some point, but it’s just enough to buy him enough time to think of a counterplan
if sending team 7 would have such a big repurcussion then kashin koji would have warned shikamaru about it beforehand, the fact that he didn't means the chance of it happening is very less
I had perceived this move as something even Shikamaru was disgusted with but was goaded into it by Kashin Koji since we see the toad on Shikamaru's shoulder when Konohamaru asked who his source was
Rule number 1 of being a shinobi.
LEARN TO SEE THROUGH DECEPTION!
JURA has read books about shinobi. He told Ryu things about the Konoha Shinobi. Ryu didn’t say everything Jura told them. Ryu is also playing mind games. That’s why he says “FOR REALS” Shinki as a character has always been on guard and when you think you’ve fooled him. He’s fooled you. Watch his fight with Mitsuki again…
I believe shikamaru's plan worked and they killed both multiple times in multiple future timelines that's why koji was chill when telling the plan.
@ nobody is Touching Ryu. Infact I don’t even think the real Ryu is walking with them. Shinki was always tricky and on guard for no reason. Even pretentious. But used it for good or to humble opponents. Now Ryu is just wicked. Nobody but maybe Mitsuki will put a dent on Ryu cuz he’s learned purple lightening.
Ah yes, the one flaw in Shikamaru's plan
He isn't aware hes a fictional character in a story with an agenda
Seriously. It's an extremely unappealing story trait, to so blatantly twist the setting around the author's moral stance then point at the characters that made sound decisions under normal circumstances and laugh at them for not knowing the narrative is all-powerful.
Exactly. Always bugs me when people talk about "what is this story trying to teach us? What message is it trying to tell us?"
I don't come to stories for your agenda, I come for a good STORY.
@Paur unfortunately all stories have agendas, so it is a pretty important question to ask in order to understand them
He obviously knows that he's a fictional character in a story. At this very moment, he's messing with the audience's minds. He just doesn't do it directly in an obvious way by breaking the 4th wall like how Deadpool does it. He does it in a less obvious way, more like the Joker. After all, he is a shinobi. The one thing that all shinobi have in common is deception.
@ javetts Exactly, but even Hiruzen's qantyfans forget about it. Such a person living in real life would know how to deal with Naruto. 60% of his mistakes are the decisions of the manga author.
I don't think this would have a negative affect on Jura in the way you think. I think the way this will backfire is that it will work- and Jura will learn more about humanity. We know that he loves to learn about humanity but most of that has been in theory, from books. That's why he was so invested in the interactions of team 10 because he encountered something he couldn't conceive of. And then he learned something. That's exactly what will happen, only this time he'll learn the art of deception and emotional manipulation. Instead of turning him off to humanity it'll make him even more curious.
Naruto's way would've been to turn him into a friend and he does that by showing people who he is. Shikamaru is showing Jura a villain, and that's exactly what he's going to end up shaping Jura into. In that way Jura, once he becomes an actual villain, will be the creation of Konoha- ironically like so many other villains that came after Konoha.
It falls in line more with the Shinju and Jura being like wild beasts, like children, learning everything for the first time. Children learn infinitely more from watching adults interact, and the things they learn the fastest are the bad things. Once they've done enough learning they begin testing these things out, and eventually it shapes them into the person they become. Guess that means Shikamaru is also being a bad dad lol
You forget that the divine trees are using the chakra for hostages to come into being
This is what good character writing looks like.
Only good writing if it makes sense
2:56 so does that make Konoha roughly tree level
Below tree level
@Smnsnsnsn oof
Have you seen hashirama? His wood was amazing
@@Avada_ontop crazy statement😭
@Avada_ontop pause
you have made my boyfriends christmas eve because i recently made him watch all of naruto and shippuden and he has the most unnecessary beef with Shikamaru 😂 i just sent him a screenshot of this video and his response is literally, “more like shitamaru amirite” and im CACKLING
I love this 😂😂😂😂
@@caseydanielllle now I wonder who he likes the most in Naruto 😂
@@My_Rythm i’ll ask him! 😂 he makes fun of me because i will SCREAM any time someone mentions that FUCKING KABUTO WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE I MEAN COME ONNNNN
What the fuck did he do wrong before this?😭
@@My_Rythmprobably Danzo
I actually wanna understand how anyone feels sorry for these shinju. Please enlighten me on what im missing
Shikamaru Naru??? 😂😂Nara 😂😂😂
When you dont have an absurdly overpowered GOD being on your side, you have to do morally grey things to defeat the unbeatable monsters. Naruto or Boruto can just blow them up or talk them down with their magical talking abilities, but they dont have those options available.
Shikamaru prefers begins support character to someone than being a leader.
"It's not like she's trying to unhinge her jaw to fit him in there"
Me "Aaayyyooooo!"
In real life you have to do things like this in a war
I don’t know about the US but right now in England it’s 50 minutes into the 25th of December so if you celebrate Christmas, merry Christmas, I personally am Jewish so I while I won’t be doing Christmas funny enough this year the first day of Hanukkah is today so that’s fun.
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The point people are missing is how dumb this plan is. It’s not even a “risky” plan, it’s a death assured plan that’s gonna go completely wrong when it comes to the betrayal part of the plan. Except none of them are likely to die 🤣
Shikamaru is in his Tobirama era! He is truly the Shadow Hokage! 👑🦌
Tobirama was smart and could fight
@@kd-rq6tland invent his own shit , an had all the 8 bijus on a whim before selling them to other villages for money 🐐
Shikamaru got a bit of danzo in him
@kd-rq6tl Shikamaru is smart and can fight.
@ yeah he can but he is not even the strongest in the village which means he can be overpowered easily
I think the war on Shinju is unavoidable because it's either this cold tactic or finding out that Shikamaru has been working with Boruto behind Jura's back. Also for Boruto to act, Jura needs to be eliminated. I don't agree with this tactic, but Shikamaru is up against the wall for helping Boruto escape the Leaf Village. His title as Hokage is at stake. Also, his decision holds the lives of Konoha in his hands. I know Naruto wouldn't allow this decision, but his gullible attitude led him to be trapped in another dimension with his wife by the person he wanted to save, which was Kawakii. I'm actually excited about the twists and turns for this manga. I can't wait to read it for the new year. I wish for anybody reading this happy holidays and an even better new year. I hope your dreams and wishes come true.
His gullible actions are the reason the alone reason the planet hasn’t been devoured. Isshiki would have won had Naruto listened to Shikamaru. Everybody should be thanking Naruto
@@stephenking2895 When you have superpowers, you can afford to be gullible.
A women’s love can turn to supreme hate.. and that’s what about to happen
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3:03 main content
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Tysm
the goat
This might be the best and most coherent video youve ever made.
The shinju narrative has some really high potential to be something special
I think in someway Shikamaru’s plans won’t go as stated. But I would rather love it if shikamaru’s does a big brain huge plot twist on everyone. I would like “the plan” to actually fail but shikamaru is like, “I actually planned it to not follow through so I can actually go fwd with the real plan”. I just don’t want him to go out like that and I think it’d be a huge redemption for shikamaru
Also I like Naruto but I do hate that we kinda accepted his bad, illogical characteristics and started to believe his way is the right way. For example, he was willing to bring sasuke back and keep him as a friend, no matter what bad thing sasuke did. Like if sasuke killed so many people, did so much wrong and even at some point wanted to destroy the whole hidden leaf village at some point. I would believe if sasuke was to kill an important character like kakashi Naruto would be high mad/upset but he would still forgive him. If we’re being honest, he kinda technically deserved to died in the story but I get it, kishimoto wanted to leave a message that had a happy ending for the main character.
So now when it comes to the shinju’s how else will we get the other characters back? So either they kill the shinjus or they actually befriend the shinjus and they actually don’t get their friends back(which I doubt).
@@KenKashi7who did sasuke kill?
@ sorry let me correct myself. I don’t remember any active kills but based on working for orochimaru (doing what he requests) for those years, cause we know many people died for orochimaru to advance. My main reasons for saying that is cause he had no problem saying he was going to destroy the village, he was willing to kill kakashi, Sakura, Naruto and more. So yeah I don’t remember him actively killing anyone, he’s actually not really good at that task lol (example: orochimaru, itachi, danzo and the previous I mentioned)
@ oh okay I see I remember he actually didn’t kill anyone which is why Orochimaru called him soft or weak
Jura has also stated his interest in both Shikamaru and Shikadai. Will be interesting to see if Jura goes the “son for a son” route rather than immediately leveling Konoha.
I love the heavy influence of Swagkage's latest video in Nick's arguments here !
Question: do you think it's Chikamaru's plan or Kashin Koji's !?
kojis.
“She’s not trying to unhinge her jaw to fit him in” hmmm you sure about that😂
Bro no please.... As much as I wish for it to happen.,... I have to deal with the fact this show is made for children😅😅😅😅
Couldn't orochimaru clone either Sasuke's or sarada's eyes so that she could take them and get EMS using similar principles as what we have for organ cloning
The moment we clone eyes I’m never watching this show again ngl
@kleatise52 it would be a very unsatisfying twist but at the same time it's the smartest move to do to give a character EMS and to be fair orochimaru kind of already has been doing that that's kind of the entire point of shin Uchiha
It makes sense to do and they could write around it by making it like you can only clone from a living sample so he couldn't clone like madera's eyes and she has to get EMS at some point or just have her mangekyou not lose their light which could work because they were awoken out of love not hatred or pain meaning her eyes aren't going further and further into the darkness so she wouldn't lose light which would be cool but at the same time kind of lame especially since EMS is a power up. And they are trying to go more sci-fi with it so having the characters make this kind of logical decision would be interesting. Because a lot of them haven't made the most logical choices like Sasuke and Naruto should have done a simple blood transfusion or something so they could awaken rinnegan because why wouldn't they
@@benogle4951 this is just my opinion, I think we should move farther away from cloning or anything like it. Keep it minimal and do it tastefully the hashirama cell was bad enough but now there’s shibai cells and if we literally give sarada an artificial Ems, we’re moving away from a good, grounded story.
@kleatise52 perhaps, but they are trying to go more sci-fi with it, and honestly it's not so much that I want to see it happen but more that it would make a good video
Matsuri: "Konohamaru, Jura asked me to consume you, but I'd like you to eat me first"
13:39 and why does it matter how they get the job done ?? When the big bad of the Story is the entire planet being consumed ???? What are we talking about
Exactly
Facts
Because that's not how Naruto, the show, was written. Like Nick said, this isn't usual for the protagonists, which is why we're made to think if this is the correct way even though the plan is logical on paper.
@@asrieldreemurr7577 nick be yapping I honestly do not take him seriously.
@@lamar9616 then why are you even here?
OIHHHHHH MAAAN! YOU ARE COOOOOKIN WITH THIS ONE MY FRIEND!!! Merry Christmas Eve and Thank you soooo much for another banger of a video! Love Ya Bro happy holidays to you and yours...
6:57 bruv the chibaku tensei drains her chakra and when team 7 sealed her her body literally reverted back to the 10 tails and blew up….she’s dead
Like to point out in Naruto honestly does not mind killing he had killed someone before
He’s just against senseless killing
Something i really like about the shinjus is that they started by killing people and made us believe they were evil and were just monsters, and then we got hit with they are just beast cubs
Which asks the question, If you were in a room with a lion cub with limited food"Would you kill a lion cub because it might be a threat when it's grown or take the risk and raise to be your companion which does not guarantee your safety
Now, you specifically mention that the only time a morally grey, or even morally reprehensible decision has led to no repercussions has been with Shikamaru, so why discount the idea that Shikamaru is the only character that can do it again, and that it really is the Shikamaru thing to do. You also say that he's got incredibly high EQ, but I really don't see it, and that's why these moments work so well for him. I don't see him as a bad guy in any way, but as a person who doesn't concern himself with morals. He has them, but can recognise that there's not always a place for them in decision making
It’s dumb in that he’s betting on the Shinju being weak enough to be taken out by the people he sent, but he isn’t thinking about the consequences of Jura finding out which, outweigh the small defeat they might probably not have
konohamaru might pull an Ohgi from Code Geas: try to fake a friendship but ultimately develop feelings for his enemy that screws over his boss.
Best case scenerio, Konohamaru talk no jutsu's Matsuri into understanding that her existence is putting his bestie in trouble
Funniest would be that both Matsuri and Konohamaru share a kiss (started by Matsuri) and that, somehow, clears a condition for her "devouring" Konohamaru. Then we can move to discovering what the ofther trees really want.
Honestly it just feels like people are hating on Shikamaru because he can’t use “talk no jutsu”
I agree I like shikamaru because he is more realistic than naruto shikamaru is not going to use the power of friendship or talk no jutsu to solve problems but he use his intelligence
Can you do a short on the Pros and Cons of being a Shinobi
Too much for a short, that’s a whole vid and I’m here for it!
Pros you get paid cons it’s dangerous pros you get fame con target on your back idk Breh just think
Pro - Cool jutsu
CONS - Dying before 25
I feel like that's super straight forward
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Let’s be real, Konohamaru will not betray Moegi. He’s Narutos student and he’s not heartless. Especially if his enemy isn’t either. I believe he’s gonna pull a talk no jutsu, bc he’s gonna be empathetic towards Matsuri, and convince her to merge back with Moegi bc that’s her true form, and that way, they can always be together (Konohamaru and Matsui)
Similar to Roxas and Nomine in KH2
Let the man cook!! 🫡
Matsuri still wants to consume Konohamaru, just not the same way that’s implied at the beginning of the arc lol. Big guy is going to be the one lay some wood not the tree girl 🤣
19:02 “unhinge her jaw and fit him there” made me laugh 🤣
2:27 you know what else is massive???
Your mom
@pepsiblue in my heart yes, on this earth she’s no longer with us, merry Christmas may you find all the blessings you deserve💕
so wholesome happy holidays!
LOOOOOOOOOOW TAAAPPER FADE
lol
chess metaphor on nchammer Christmas Eve drop is crazy
2:15 how about when the Shinobi alliance tried to keep Naruto, arguably the best ninja in the war, from the front line by lying to him
Merry Christmas to you Nick-don't know if you're gonna read this but still wanted to say thanks and as always love the theories and facts that come up in this channel of yours :)
You smoked this one sir 🤝
*Choked
I never catch your drops this early 😂. Just finished reading the last 12 chapters of Boruto and first 17 of two blue vortex. Read them just so I could watch your content spoiler free since I got through most of your Naruto content 😂
Jura could sense the chakra of kurama in himawari from countries away and he doesn't think he'll be able to sense his friends getting killed. Honestly it is a completely stupid plan by a supposed genius. Like surface level it sounds fine but a better plan would be befriend the rest of them and have them help fight against jura then try that underhanded tactic when they r all weak. I'm definitely not a genius and that's 10 times better of a plan 😅
Shikamaru is playing with nukes now. And everyone is going to get burnt.
Bro has thrown so many theories on how Konoha gets destroyed that by the time it happens he will always be right lol, even a broken clock says the time right twice a day
I have a question: Do you think the Boruto series would be better if it took place in another universe, where it have elements of the Naruto series, but also a disconnect from the main series? A good example of this is JoJo Steel Ball Run.
yes, it would've been better received, like alternate universe or timeline.
No I'd hate if that happens
IMO, no. A lot of Borutos traction came from the fact that it WAS a continuation of the series. If it was disconnected, it wouldn’t have gotten of the ground until much, much later
Edit: I think it would become like a Jax and Daxter type of feel. Like it’s tryna do too many things at once but doesn’t have its own identity to call its own
I honestly think this could've been a good move. Boruto is basically a rehash of Naruto with different but similar concepts so yeah.
Yes, it already feels like a retelling from the get go.
The thing is we are judging it from a reader's pov while they are just characters who thinks that they are the main characters .
the moment u had me convinced was when u said, if naruto met a someone who has childlike innocence but was just ridiculously powerful his first instinct would be to a. befriend them and cut them down, or b genuinely befriend them and bring them to their side, Shikamaru messed up! i was thinking he was standin on all ten but i think hes about to have konoha hung up by all ten
The question is, do you just leave Sasuke, Moegi, etc. trapped in trees fr the rest of eternity? The only way to get them out is the shinjus thorn soul bulbs. You have to kill them as far as we know. Just befriending them means those who they replaced Stay in limbo forever. That's the issue.
@@ashyman16Naruto could convince them to give themselves up for the greater good like how Nagato gave up his life to bring back the villagers or Obito giving up his life to save Naruto
@@mawandembatha6622 meanwhile kill so many zestu in war
@@mawandembatha6622 Maybe, but Obito lived a full life, and was mature enough to be convinced. These shinju literally born yesterday and are interested to experience life and not want to give it up. Regardless of Naruto being nice about it, I could see myself still not wanting to give up my only life when I just got here. I would want to give it up even less if I found something I truly enjoyed like Jura did his books. They probably don't have the emotional maturity yet to see it Naruto's way. Shikamaru's plan is f'd up but it makes sense despite the risk. Any way I glad its this way I appreciate the Moral dilemma in the story.
@ashyman16 These Shinju being so young means they are more likely to actually give up their lives than Obito since they are new to the world and are more easily convinced by more experienced figures. Naruto's idealogy could easily shape their thoughts such that they would thjnk that sacrifice is tge best thing they could do
I always thought how funny it would be if Orochimaru was successful at taking Itachis body.
Orochimaru: Yes, Yes I’ve finally acquired the perfect vessel!! (Cough, cough. Looks at hands covered in blood) oh shit heart disease. Noooooo
W video man!
I usually grab a little snack or a bite to eat and sit to watch your videos, and your opening chest slap that you use to add that audible queue and subscribing. Well it works bro, expect instead of subscribing I all of sudden would like a bag of chips lmao
Why would the story only function off good natured decisions? Shikamaru is not doing something underhanded against any ninja, he’s doing it against an alien species that may or may not consume them all eventually. Why are we acting like this is just an evil plan when this is just a plan out of desperation and logic? Nah I really don’t see him being the reason Konoha is destroyed. TBV is just a different story than Naruto was.
Facts.
So now you befriended a overpowered person they think you are theyre friend then you betray them and guess what they dont die or worse now the villian you were fighting against has a new ally
Its easy to see why Naruto and Sasuke couldn't be around. Naruto would have simply talked to the shinju and the arc woiuld be over in one page lmao. Sasuke probably would have also either talked to them, or figured out how to get Naruto back and then talked to them, and the entire arc would be over in a couple chapters.
You know very well that's not true
@@mawandembatha6622 nah its true. Naruto is literally Jesus at this point, the peace their world has experienced is largely because of him. Same thing with Sasuke. Both characters can end this whole story in like 2-3 chapters at this point. Shikamaru’s a bit more of a normal human being than both of those two, hence why the struggle that’s going on right now.
@johndotcue This is not rrue as well cause the issue wuth Kawaki and Isshiki took chapters upon chapters to deal with and even then Naruto's supposed Jesus status didn't help with Kawaki cause he ended up sealing him. If Naruto was able to end conflicts within 2-3 chapters, the whole Borushiki and Code thong would've been solved and yet to this day until he was sealed it wasn't
This story reminds me of a significate death in the walking dead series Glenn Rhee. Up to that point the good guys were killing only to protect themselves and try to do good deeds. Then they changed a bit. They were fighting humans of a group that was bad, but not all bad. This group was a threat to the main character good guys. They (The Good Guys) tried to go on the offensive, and got caught. It lead to the stunning death of Glenn Rhee in the series.
@20:44 MAnn this is like the baboons of Africa that steal lion cubs from their mothers before they become fully grown lions... Then kill them by eating the lion cubs after they lose interest in them/playing with them.
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To be fair, him giving in to the 9tails is literally what saved him. He just did it to the degree that he almost lost himself.
But the actual act? Confirmed got the chakra rods out of him.
the divine trees are literally the 9 tailed beasts. jura loves and respects konoha because naruto befriended the 9 tailed beasts and let them live happy and free
Also each shinju's death/ending will be with them becoming full filled. Masturi will want to return the soul bulb after feeling her love for konohomaru, jura will join with himawari and himiwari will be the 10 tail jinchuriki making her the incarnation of the sage of six paths.
Great video
I can't believe I JUST NOW realized this...
The Shinju are just like Nobodies from Kingdom Hearts. The way they are created and share the same likeness and abilities of their Somebodies is incredibly obvious.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional...wow. You think Kishimoto likes KH? 🤣
Now that I realize this...how would Konoha deal with the shinju? Would they truly go the route of "death" like in KH? Or will they actually talk no jutsu them into giving up their cores so that their "somebodies" can return?
NOW I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THIS GOES!
Shikamaru Naru 😂 hell yeah.
Why are we acting like shikamaru isn’t dealing with the consequences of Naruto not handling Kawaki properly.
They are ninjas . deception is their bread and butter
And another thing , is no one else slightly curious about the other planets that got consumed ? I’d like to imagine that they were more advanced and stronger than the the current planet
Are we forgetting that Kashin Koji was the one who told Shikamaru to send team 7 to the Hidden Sand?
Keep up the amazing work and videos Nick
My thing is, they don’t wanna piss off Jura, but killing a Shinju is going to piss him off ain’t it? 😅
They don't want him to attack regular citizens for no reason, but theres reason for this and it isn't about citizens
Naruto= How to become the best kind of kid. Naruto Shippuden= How to become the best young adult. Boruto= How to best understand your young children. Boruto TBV= How to be the best Parent (young adult).
0:28 unless you get Scholar's Mate (mate in 3 turns)
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@@BallFarder is that your face when a new Logic album comes out?
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“Shikamaru Naru” is a crazy slip up to ignore 😂😂😂 BECAUSE we know that you know
I believe "Consume" is being misinterpreted, it doesn't necessarily mean "eating" it could mean knowledge.
I think it’s more like absorb
Shikamaru have high IQ but low EQ lol
2:25 you know what else is MASSIVE
Hidan is STILL alive. He’s stuck down there down there for eternity. or unless he’s dug up
Hiruzen smoking that pack at not being the "worst" hokage anymore. The slander of the goat may finally end.
For real though feeling bad for the shinju is basically like feeling bad for zetsu. "Only people have human rights". Also Kurama was pretty much a complete jackass and sociopath that realistically should probably have been put down if he didn't mellow out.
The second Naruto finds out that Sasuke is one of the hosts he would exterminate them all in a heartbeat because thats his nakama and one true love on the level of ramen. (Hinata is one level lower with the rest of his family.
The thing is though, shikamaru isn't a destined child God with a demon inside of him and the supernatural ability to talk genocidal maniacs with 100,000+ kills to their name down into magically becoming good people. He's a normal guy with normal limitations so being a Naruto level saint cannot possibly work for him because hard work and conviction doesn't work unless you've inherited the right bloodline. That's been the accidental real message of Naruto since Shippuden.
Child god and demon has nothing to do with having empathy and talking to someone other than that you have a point shikamaru and Naruto are different people with different views and personality
I agree I like shikamaru because he is realistic and than naruto
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But without Naruto's superpowers it would be more difficult to perform his talk no jutsu.
I will allow myself to disagree with you. Shikamaru is making a mistake, but it is hard to avoid in his situation. First of all, you do not take into account the fact that Shikamaru even now has his logic disrupted by Eida's omnipotence. He supposedly believed Boruto and Kashin, but Boruto himself said that after some time, omnipotence supplants the truth in favor of his vision. And even if Shikamaru guesses that something is wrong, Omnipotence disrupts his logical train of thought. This is a strong mitigating circumstance. The second issue is the fact that Shika is not a mega warrior, he does not have the potential and boost in powers like Naruto and Sasuke, even Naruto without the fox. He has to figure out something because he will not go into battle alone. In addition, there is hostility from the elders, which Shikamaru probably guesses. Because he knows that tolerating Jura's presence will reach them. With all this, it is difficult to call him the worst Hokage. And where is the previously distinguished Kakashi who did not return in a critical situation?
it's wild that we haven't talked about the fact that all this exists under the context of Kashin Koji planning it. Like this is about best future path so even Shikamaru's bad or at least dangerous plan and any negatives should be considered part of Kashin Koji's plan. Maybe team 7 falters and that was what Koji wanted to happen.
Seriously though, right at the start, this Issue was an amazing informatory edition. Live the reintroduction reminding of the Ninja Way, but moreover presented as to achieve an emotional favor towards the Shinju whilst questioning said Shinobi Culture.
And shikamaru isn’t sentient, hes not making any choices
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I like this, but lets not forget. While the Sinju might have personalities of their own. Redemption is not an option for them. Redemption for the Sinju would mean the death for whoever is trapped in the Clawgrime. I might be sounding like a bad guy, but it doesn't matter that they might end up being good. People will die if no matter what if you don't stop them. Their very existence means your friends will be trapped forever. And I don't think necessarily Naruto would disagree with that. You know how many White Zetsu Naruto smoked. I get where this is going, and the plot is definitely going that way, but that's kind of losing the plot. But I'm actually going to say this is kinda bad writing. Making Shikamaru out to be a bad guy, when actual people are being fed on at this very moment. That's kinda ham fisted. And again. Losing the plot. I mean honestly. It's existence literally depends on the suffering on a person. It doesn't matter how nice it is or how childlike it might be. If it was actually nice. It would let the person it's eating for their chakra and sense of self...go. Naruto would save his friends no matter btw.
18:55 actually it seems like that is exactly where this is going
Compliments to the chef. I wonder if the flash forward scene happens before Team 7 returns from the Wind.
True, Naruto's bag of miscellaneous bonky tricks, herewith in actuality serves such a beautiful way of life, whilst Shikamaru now has shown that the brilliant analysis, resulting in a Tactical application of clear issues, since we can already sense a backfire, One further would find that whatever reprisal might follow, as cannot be avoided, most certainly stands to accomplish some unfathomable response from Jura and the rest of the Fam
Biggest problem here is that Shikamaru simply doesn't have sufficient intel, he's purely speculating upon first encounters and observations of the shinju. Had Shikamaru known that Shinju's brutal tendencies in their actions lays not in their nature, but in Jura's interpretation(hence him likening them to animals acting on instinct), I believe he would really not mind gaining more Shogi pieces on his board.
I truly believe Shikamaru's course of action is one of the best he could've taken that doesn't take any advantage of protagonist plot armor in favor of the message. Trying to follow the narrative's message all the time would come at the expense of Shikamaru's character, so the turn of events only makes sense to me.
Kogi is the real reason for the shortcut. He told Shikamaru to send those ninja and gave him enough intelligence to formulate the plan.
Wait, Code has the variant white Karma of Isshiki; Kawaki has the variant black Karma of Isshiki. Do they need to merge for Kawaki to grow past his limiters? Thereby, allowing Kawaki control over the claws and theoretical control of the shinju. Wrong video, I know. It had just occurred to me.
But isn’t he just doing Kashin Koji’s plan from what he saw in the future? The backfire can’t be on Shikamaru it would have to come from the side from somebody like Kawaki