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I think a lot of Germans that settled in the USA in our timeline might have preferred to settle in New Holland due to closer cultural and linguistic ties of the dutch to Germany, so the colony might have been bigger in population as you thought. This is possible because many Germans that went to America went there because of the promise of freedom and democracy and because they were persecuted in Germany (often religious minorities like the Amish). The United Provinces (Netherlands) were a democracy at this point and so would new Holland have probably been meaning these people would maybe redirect themselves.
The anti settler policy really screwed over the Dutch. That’s how they lost Dutch Brazil and South Africa. They just didn’t have enough population to protect the colonies.
The Dutch even might've been able to keep the Cape Colony. After Napoleon invaded the Netherlands and established the Batavian puppet state the British in 1795 offered an alliance to the Cape Colony against Napoleon but the Cape leadership refused that offer and decided to stay loyal to the Batavian Republic instead of the Dutch prince William V in exile. This led to two British invasions of the Cape in 1795 and 1803 which resulted in the annexation of the Cape Colony by the British. If the Cape Colony had cooperated with the British it might've stayed in Dutch hands after the Netherlands were liberated from the French.
Wrong, they did have the population. It's just that there colonies were ruled by plutocracies. The more white settlers the more competition in for the colonists which started the colony. Slaves are cheaper.
@maiyn2 They would probably get into a situation like the Black populations in SA, however the Dutch never invented Apartheid, that were the British. So not sure if it would be as cruel.
Interesting idea. Two points of mine. !. Aussie names. The custom in Australia is usually to put heavy primary emphasis on the first syllable, and swallow the rest. So Brisbane is pronounced here as "BRIZ-bin", not Briss-BANE". Likewise, Melbourne is pronounced "MELL-bin", not Mell-BOOORN." Canberra is 'KAN-bra', Adelaide is 'AD-laid', and so on. 2. The Whole Penal Colony Thing. The simple fact is, if Britain was only looking for a place to dump excess convicts, it had a lot of places that were much closer and cheaper / easier to get to than Australia. The main purpose was, in the aftermath of the American Revolution, to establish a strategic port that would further British expansion into the Pacific with convicts being a convenient early source of labor. Convict transportation ceased entirely by around 1840. One aspect of Australia's history that you don't cover, that I think is very significant. Australia was set to become a rather quiet colonial outpost, until gold was discovered at Ballarat, Victoria, in 1851. Coming as it did on the heels of the California Gold Rush of 1849, the results here were dramatic. Australia's population more than tripled within the year, and tenfold within five years. In your hypothetical Dutch-colonized Australia, I expect the discovery of gold would happen later, but the overall effects would be very very similar.
Thanks for making some well educated points. Monsieur Z tends to not give details arguments as to why things are as they are. Making most of his alternative history ideas rather flawed. Possible History is a lot better channel.
Close, but not quite. The first significant gold was discovered near Bathurst in NSW in 1851, not Ballarat. But that gold rush was local. The sheer amount of gold and the ease of extraction at Ballarat sparked the international and historic gold rush.
If the area was always ethnically French it would've been difficult to prevent it from eventually being united with France unless there was perhaps a strong religious difference compared to the rest of France.
I sadly found this one rather dissapointing. He really could have gone into way more detail and work out this alternate reality. Instead he mainly rambled about what happened in our history. Only one time did he speak about alternate history and that was just 1 anglo-dutch war.... Missed a good chance as to see New Hollands response to the Boer genocide in South Africa, as well as leaving out New Zealand from being colonized? (He didn't even explain his thumbnail, random French enclave? Doesn't make sense, even if Napoleon tried New Holland would actually go against the French Empire seeing how it already would occupy the Netherlands core.) I think this scenario could have been way more interesting if properly worked out with proper knowledge from the times. Seeing how Australia has always been a soldier basket for Britain, now that would be the case for the Dutch Empire. Would New Holland take independence after Napoleon taking the Netherlands? Would the Dutch royal family move to New Holland, just as the Portugese royal family moved to Brazil, which had big effects on their history?? So many interesting routes he could have taken but didn't :( Would the USA compete with the Dutch Empire in the pacific? What about WW1?? Wouldn't the Dutch colonies (If taken independence after Napoleon) try to side with the germans to free their white dutch relatives (boers) in SA from British colonial rule?? Seeing that the Netherlands was neutral in that war anyway?
By Windhoek I guess you mean Namibia. The only time that could have happened would have been at the end of WW1 when they ceded Namibia - German South West Africa - to SA as a mandate, and it remained under South African control until the end of apartheid in 1994. If Cecil Rhodes had still been around it's certain he would have pushed for such a union.
What if Japanese intervention into Russia was successful and Japan with White Russian allies managed to create a successful separate country in the Russian Far East, much like HOI4 Kasierreich's Transamur?
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I love your alt history videos. Have you ever thought of doing one about what if Edward IV lived a decade longer. If that happened, his son would have taken the throne as opposed to being killed by Richard III. With a legitimate York heir, that means no Wars of the Roses, no Henry Tudor, no Tudor Dynasty, no Elizabethean Age in England. It is a fascinating thought experiment
Australia would likely be a small agricultural outpost with boom in the mid-19th Century for resource extraction. Likely being compared to the Boers, being at a constant state of war with the aborigines. Though, the natives would likely die out with time, and New Holland would be seen as a large flat and empty Germanic agriculture state.
As an Aussie who’s into alternative history stuff. I’ve always wondered about this kind of Scenario. If the Dutch or other world powers colonised Australia. Good and interesting video 👍
The Dutch landed in the west of Australia, the British landed in the east. I think this made all the difference. Sydney has a nice climate and fertile soil. The West is mostly barren desert.
What if Richard III won the battle of bosworth ? What if Mary I had given birth to A son or daughter or both ? What if Edward V wasn't uruped by his his uncle ? What if Philip II armada had seceded ? What if Russia joined the central powers and Austria Hungary joined the allied powers ?
Yes, I just posted a variation of your third item. It would be an interesting look into what might have happened if Edward IV lived longer to see Edward V take the throne and possibly no Wars of the Roses, Tudor Dynasty, or Elizabethean Age
For one thing another British colony somewhere would receive mass of British colonists who otherwise went to Australia. Perhaps they go to one of the British colonies in Africa.
He would've probably started WWIII. Even under the more moderate leadership of Khrushchev the USSR was in multiple occasions close to war with the West.
I think the Dutch would be content with Western Australia or even Tasmania if they wanted to play it safe.. The Dutch couldn't sustain the whole continent and wouldn't mind the British having the Eastern half of the continent..
What will happen is, Indonesia and australia will likely be more friendly towards each other than this current situation. There will be less confrontations and more of an alliance due to our same history as dutch colonies.
But then Australia will still not join ASEAN, and because Australia wouldn't have been a Commonwealth country in this timeline, relations with Singapore and Malaysia would be weaker
@@alessiodecarolis well no exactly. The relationship between the past dutch colonies has been cordial all this time. It has been proven by countless times the south african and suriname head of states went here. The thing is, the possibility of an attack is small, but, indonesia will to some extent be more present in australia. Why? Because there'll be a lot of indonesian diaspora in australia if the dutch were colonizing australia, like south africa and suriname. So that's why i say the influence of indonesia will be much more profound in australia if they were a part of the netherlands.
What if the 1795 and 1803 invasions of the Dutch Cape Colony never happened? In 1795 the British had offered an alliance against Napoleon to the Cape Colony but the Cape leadership refused the offer and decided to stay loyal to the new Batavian (Dutch) Republic (a French puppet regime) instead of the Dutch prince William V in exile. This led to the invasion and annexation of the Cape Colony by the British. What if the Cape Colony had accepted the British alliance offer and stayed loyal to prince William V or declared independence?
If this is a long and economically costly war for both sides without the use of nuclear weapons the USSR would've probably collapsed earlier. If it took place after Nixon's 1972 visit to China the US might send some secret aid to the Chinese similarly to as they sent aid to the Afghans during the Soviet-Afghan War.
Nice to see some Aussie content! Would love to see a Ned Kelly alt his vid at some point - would be an interesting dive into what if he succeeded in his fight against the police and leading some rebellion of sorts👀
@@mrsmith-sh2px It was a newspaper article used as wallpaper on a house in Ballarrat or another authetic house museum. I saw it in 1986 and have wondered about since. Even google is vague.
Due to proximity to the Dutch East Indies, I think there will be an influx of local workers like the Javanese for example, creating similar situation akin to Suriname but in a much grander scale. Especially after gold was discovered in Australia, this immigration intensified. With this condition, in my wildest dreams anyway. I imagine that the Dutch Australia become independent alongside Indonesia; creating a massive country or at least a major alliance.
It's so weird to think that my ancestors still would have come to Australia during the Gold Rush, but I'd probably be speaking Dutch (obviously I wouldn't exist, but just fun to think about).
What'd be funny is if today's New South Wales was called Nieuw Suid-Holland, and Queensland as Nieuw Noord-Holland, or Land van het Koningin; we've already Nieuw Zeeland and Tasmania/Van Diemen's Land. I wonder where the new cities would be and what they'd be called if the main ones weren't as they are today.
Imagine if dutch just colonize new zealand and Indonesia, while britian just colonize Australia, fiji and some islands that arent colonize (i ment some that aren't colonize by french, dutch and german)
When you say "you can" in Dutch but use the honorific version of "you" instead of the more informal one you say "u kunt", so not much would change in Dutch Australia.
What if the UN 1947 partition plan for the British Mandate of Palestain worked? Can you do a video about that? I'm curious to know if that whole business could worked out
A country successfully colonizes a place if its language influences the colony enough to at least make them speak a creole version of your language. Then that's somewhat successful. You _really_ win when they just speak your language. So Britian, France and Spain succeeded every other tuesday when they had empires. The Dutch had some success with their Antilles, 75% success with South Africa (due to Afrikaans), and only truly succeeded with Suriname (which speaks plain Dutch to this day).
Can you imagine same if European Continent had stayed Roman? Now you've got a concept of the Australian Continents (accelerated future, needs to be ASAP or Aboriginal everything goes extinct, all Tasmanian bloodlines already have) future!
The Dutch literally created their own country through war and rose to power from nothing, in contrast to the Spanish English and Portugese who were already superpowers at the time, let alone the small populations the Dutch had compared to these countries, which is actually more amusing
The Dutch could have just settled their nation with Germans and Scandinavian protestants, so their population being stagnant is no excuse for an empty New Holland. The same happened to the USA. Also you really missed a good chance as to see New Hollands response to the Boer genocide in South Africa, as well as leaving out New Zealand from being colonized? (U didn't even explain ur thumbnail.) I think this scenario could have been way more interesting if properly worked out with proper knowledge from the times. Seeing how Australia has always been a soldier basket for Britain, now that would be the case for the Dutch Empire. Would New Holland take independence after Napoleon taking the Netherlands? Would the Dutch royal family move to New Holland, just as the Portugese royal family moved to Brazil??? So many interesting routes you could have taken but didn't :( Would the USA compete with the Dutch Empire in the pacific? What about WW1?? Wouldn't the Dutch colonies(If taken independence after Napoleon) try to side with the germans to free their white dutch relatives (boers) in SA from British colonial rule??
Actually of the 2.7 million white Afrikaans speakers in SA, not all by any means are descended from the Dutch. It was settled by VOC (Dutch East India Company) employees and many of them were not of Dutch extraction, just as many Dutch West India Company employees weren't. Dutch seamen in the 17th century could make more money and undergo less risk in the Baltic herring trade. After the 30 years war many ex soldiers from the German states went to work for both companies. Hence the prevalence of German names in the Dutch Caribbean nowadays, also there are some quite common German names in SA like Oberholzer. Later French Huguenots who'd fled to NL were incentivised to relocate to the Cape after the Dutch had failed trying to produce wine in Indonesia, specifically to produce it there as they had the know-how which the Dutch lacked. Hence French names like Fourie being common in SA too. As to DeKlerk, a very common name in SA, that isn't a common name in NL nowadays but it's obviously from the French De Clerq, as at the time the Cape was under Dutch control the Netherlands included present day Belgium, and I think (not sure) that De Klerk / De Clerq is common in Belgium.
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Can you do 'What if Stalin lived longer?'
Can you do what if France lost the French wars of religion
Hey, can you do what if Robert Taft became President?
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I think a lot of Germans that settled in the USA in our timeline might have preferred to settle in New Holland due to closer cultural and linguistic ties of the dutch to Germany, so the colony might have been bigger in population as you thought. This is possible because many Germans that went to America went there because of the promise of freedom and democracy and because they were persecuted in Germany (often religious minorities like the Amish). The United Provinces (Netherlands) were a democracy at this point and so would new Holland have probably been meaning these people would maybe redirect themselves.
I wholeheartly agree.
And it would have been a Germanic Protestant bastion. The Amish themselves started in the Netherlands so bet they would go to New Holland
Maybe some, but I think most would still prefer the closer, larger and also far better land of the US
Also the Scandinavians will still go to Australia and Europeans and Asians who love hot weather
And you think Australia lacks those of German Heritage.
Dutch colonists certainly do make for fun alternate history timelines, don't they
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The anti settler policy really screwed over the Dutch. That’s how they lost Dutch Brazil and South Africa. They just didn’t have enough population to protect the colonies.
The Dutch even might've been able to keep the Cape Colony. After Napoleon invaded the Netherlands and established the Batavian puppet state the British in 1795 offered an alliance to the Cape Colony against Napoleon but the Cape leadership refused that offer and decided to stay loyal to the Batavian Republic instead of the Dutch prince William V in exile. This led to two British invasions of the Cape in 1795 and 1803 which resulted in the annexation of the Cape Colony by the British. If the Cape Colony had cooperated with the British it might've stayed in Dutch hands after the Netherlands were liberated from the French.
Wrong, they did have the population. It's just that there colonies were ruled by plutocracies. The more white settlers the more competition in for the colonists which started the colony. Slaves are cheaper.
@@hendriktonisson2915 WHAT, IS THIS REAL???? Could you please provide a source I can learn more on this, What the actual !!!!!
@maiyn2 They would probably get into a situation like the Black populations in SA, however the Dutch never invented Apartheid, that were the British. So not sure if it would be as cruel.
@maiyn2 Your an Afrikaner? :O I am Dutch I love my cousins of the south.
Interesting idea. Two points of mine.
!. Aussie names. The custom in Australia is usually to put heavy primary emphasis on the first syllable, and swallow the rest. So Brisbane is pronounced here as "BRIZ-bin", not Briss-BANE". Likewise, Melbourne is pronounced "MELL-bin", not Mell-BOOORN." Canberra is 'KAN-bra', Adelaide is 'AD-laid', and so on.
2. The Whole Penal Colony Thing. The simple fact is, if Britain was only looking for a place to dump excess convicts, it had a lot of places that were much closer and cheaper / easier to get to than Australia. The main purpose was, in the aftermath of the American Revolution, to establish a strategic port that would further British expansion into the Pacific with convicts being a convenient early source of labor. Convict transportation ceased entirely by around 1840.
One aspect of Australia's history that you don't cover, that I think is very significant. Australia was set to become a rather quiet colonial outpost, until gold was discovered at Ballarat, Victoria, in 1851. Coming as it did on the heels of the California Gold Rush of 1849, the results here were dramatic. Australia's population more than tripled within the year, and tenfold within five years. In your hypothetical Dutch-colonized Australia, I expect the discovery of gold would happen later, but the overall effects would be very very similar.
Thanks for making some well educated points. Monsieur Z tends to not give details arguments as to why things are as they are.
Making most of his alternative history ideas rather flawed.
Possible History is a lot better channel.
Close, but not quite. The first significant gold was discovered near Bathurst in NSW in 1851, not Ballarat. But that gold rush was local. The sheer amount of gold and the ease of extraction at Ballarat sparked the international and historic gold rush.
What if Duchy of Burgundy remains independent
If the area was always ethnically French it would've been difficult to prevent it from eventually being united with France unless there was perhaps a strong religious difference compared to the rest of France.
Omg?!?!?! TNO reference?!?!? Burgundy Himmler TNO?!?!?!
@NoIdea406 oh my God it’s a fucking joke
@@unternehmen_wacht_am_rhein Yo Speer!
gamer state of burgundy!!!!!!!
Your timelines never dissapoint! Keep going!
Thank you!
I sadly found this one rather dissapointing. He really could have gone into way more detail and work out this alternate reality.
Instead he mainly rambled about what happened in our history. Only one time did he speak about alternate history and that was just 1 anglo-dutch war....
Missed a good chance as to see New Hollands response to the Boer genocide in South Africa, as well as leaving out New Zealand from being colonized? (He didn't even explain his thumbnail, random French enclave? Doesn't make sense, even if Napoleon tried New Holland would actually go against the French Empire seeing how it already would occupy the Netherlands core.)
I think this scenario could have been way more interesting if properly worked out with proper knowledge from the times. Seeing how Australia has always been a soldier basket for Britain, now that would be the case for the Dutch Empire.
Would New Holland take independence after Napoleon taking the Netherlands? Would the Dutch royal family move to New Holland, just as the Portugese royal family moved to Brazil, which had big effects on their history?? So many interesting routes he could have taken but didn't :(
Would the USA compete with the Dutch Empire in the pacific? What about WW1?? Wouldn't the Dutch colonies (If taken independence after Napoleon) try to side with the germans to free their white dutch relatives (boers) in SA from British colonial rule?? Seeing that the Netherlands was neutral in that war anyway?
What if British Empire united South Africa; Windhoek and Rhodesia into a big colony for easer management ?
By Windhoek I guess you mean Namibia. The only time that could have happened would have been at the end of WW1 when they ceded Namibia - German South West Africa - to SA as a mandate, and it remained under South African control until the end of apartheid in 1994. If Cecil Rhodes had still been around it's certain he would have pushed for such a union.
Boer Australia?
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What if Japanese intervention into Russia was successful and Japan with White Russian allies managed to create a successful separate country in the Russian Far East, much like HOI4 Kasierreich's Transamur?
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Yes
I love your alt history videos. Have you ever thought of doing one about what if Edward IV lived a decade longer. If that happened, his son would have taken the throne as opposed to being killed by Richard III. With a legitimate York heir, that means no Wars of the Roses, no Henry Tudor, no Tudor Dynasty, no Elizabethean Age in England. It is a fascinating thought experiment
Uh what?
Edward IV was a York
@@blugaledoh2669 Yes you are correct. Brain fart. Corrected it
Amazing content!
Thanks!
Some thoughts:
Australia would still gold rush.
New Zealand would go Dutch too.
YES FINALLY MY CONTRY (by the way he city is pronounceed BRIS-BIN
This is more so an Alternate History on what if the Northern Cape just drifted off into the Pacific
Australia would likely be a small agricultural outpost with boom in the mid-19th Century for resource extraction. Likely being compared to the Boers, being at a constant state of war with the aborigines. Though, the natives would likely die out with time, and New Holland would be seen as a large flat and empty Germanic agriculture state.
2:45 - What is The Dutch Empire's map legend here? Light Green, Dark Green & Orange: what do they mean?
As an Aussie who’s into alternative history stuff. I’ve always wondered about this kind of Scenario. If the Dutch or other world powers colonised Australia.
Good and interesting video 👍
What if Bacons Rebellion had gotten out of hand.
What if the Black Sea Raid was foiled in 1914?
The Dutch landed in the west of Australia, the British landed in the east. I think this made all the difference. Sydney has a nice climate and fertile soil. The West is mostly barren desert.
What if Richard III won the battle of bosworth ?
What if Mary I had given birth to A son or daughter or both ?
What if Edward V wasn't uruped by his his uncle ?
What if Philip II armada had seceded ?
What if Russia joined the central powers and Austria Hungary joined the allied powers ?
Yes, I just posted a variation of your third item. It would be an interesting look into what might have happened if Edward IV lived longer to see Edward V take the throne and possibly no Wars of the Roses, Tudor Dynasty, or Elizabethean Age
You should do a alternate history video of the korean peninsula.
Great episode
Thanks!
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What if Brazil remained an Empire?
I’m an Australian who moved to Holland for a girl and struggled learning the language. This alternative timeline would have changed my life.
For one thing another British colony somewhere would receive mass of British colonists who otherwise went to Australia. Perhaps they go to one of the British colonies in Africa.
it would be worse, british people are better at settler colonies.
Technically, yeah.
Brits are kinda mid
What if Stalin lived longer?
He would've probably started WWIII. Even under the more moderate leadership of Khrushchev the USSR was in multiple occasions close to war with the West.
I want to hear more about this massive British Gambia penal colony
What if the Wars of Scottish Independence failed, what if Edward Longshanks successfully conquered Scotland?
You could add France to the mix. They missed getting a chunk of Australia by less than a hour. They where down near Albany, Western Australia.
Better timeline for Australia and they would have a more unique flag.
I think the Dutch would be content with Western Australia or even Tasmania if they wanted to play it safe.. The Dutch couldn't sustain the whole continent and wouldn't mind the British having the Eastern half of the continent..
If you pronounce things like an Australian, it’s Mel-bin and Briz-bin 😂
What will happen is, Indonesia and australia will likely be more friendly towards each other than this current situation. There will be less confrontations and more of an alliance due to our same history as dutch colonies.
But then Australia will still not join ASEAN, and because Australia wouldn't have been a Commonwealth country in this timeline, relations with Singapore and Malaysia would be weaker
@@alessiodecarolis well no exactly. The relationship between the past dutch colonies has been cordial all this time. It has been proven by countless times the south african and suriname head of states went here. The thing is, the possibility of an attack is small, but, indonesia will to some extent be more present in australia. Why? Because there'll be a lot of indonesian diaspora in australia if the dutch were colonizing australia, like south africa and suriname. So that's why i say the influence of indonesia will be much more profound in australia if they were a part of the netherlands.
Portugese: accept my religion
Dutch: accept my trade
English: accept my criminals
What if the 1795 and 1803 invasions of the Dutch Cape Colony never happened? In 1795 the British had offered an alliance against Napoleon to the Cape Colony but the Cape leadership refused the offer and decided to stay loyal to the new Batavian (Dutch) Republic (a French puppet regime) instead of the Dutch prince William V in exile. This led to the invasion and annexation of the Cape Colony by the British. What if the Cape Colony had accepted the British alliance offer and stayed loyal to prince William V or declared independence?
That's if Britain colonized Siberia successfully
@@TheRealBaldwinIV How does that have anything to do with Siberia?
If Australia was colonized by dutch, there would be part of Indonesia after independence
Can you do a vid on Hakkō Ichiu? (What if Japan’s plans for world conquest succeeded?)
What if Medieval France remained decentralized?
In other universe country Indonestralia may exist, Darwin city may become capital. And many Nusantara people immigrated there.
Indonesia, USA, Australia , New Zealand, Brazil, Africa, was once under the rule of the Dutch colony Before British
how would Dutch Australia affect the Tet Offensive?
Many Cape Dutch Settlers did indeed flee to New Holland (Just a few hundred years late) - Greetings from Perthfontein 😎
Z is zet. Literally the whole world has it like that.
What if the Soviet Union and China fought each other ?
If this is a long and economically costly war for both sides without the use of nuclear weapons the USSR would've probably collapsed earlier. If it took place after Nixon's 1972 visit to China the US might send some secret aid to the Chinese similarly to as they sent aid to the Afghans during the Soviet-Afghan War.
What if China permanently collapsed during the Three Kingdoms Period? What effects would it have in Asia and Europe?
Wow! I hadn't realised that North America had been used for penal colonies before Australia.
What if France settled in Australia before the British?
Nice to see some Aussie content! Would love to see a Ned Kelly alt his vid at some point - would be an interesting dive into what if he succeeded in his fight against the police and leading some rebellion of sorts👀
Im Dutch/Australian, Have always wondered how an aboriginal dutch pidgin language would sound like if it were around today.
isn't the picture at 9:35 actually Prague?
I did read an article in Aus that the Northern Territories might have been leased to Japan in the early 1900s.
Is there any link to it??
@@mrsmith-sh2px It was a newspaper article used as wallpaper on a house in Ballarrat or another authetic house museum. I saw it in 1986 and have wondered about since. Even google is vague.
Australia but with more weed and more bikes. Love it!
More like sth Africa the Dutch back than were nothing like the modern people.
Rhodesia, next!
YES, my homeland will get a extra chance. I have some white-Rhodesian descent but they left to the United States after Rhodesia fell, thank you!
“Mel-born” and “briz-bane” 😭
What if the uk confused Austria with Australia and sent all their prisoners to Austria instead?
Due to proximity to the Dutch East Indies, I think there will be an influx of local workers like the Javanese for example, creating similar situation akin to Suriname but in a much grander scale. Especially after gold was discovered in Australia, this immigration intensified. With this condition, in my wildest dreams anyway. I imagine that the Dutch Australia become independent alongside Indonesia; creating a massive country or at least a major alliance.
This is might seem like a stupid question but what would life be like for the indigenous peoples of Australia be like in this alternate timeline?
A better and safer version of South Africa. Maybe they would import Indonesians to settle the mostly empty continent..
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If we where Dutch, we would kick even more arse at swimming at the Olympics 🤣
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It's so weird to think that my ancestors still would have come to Australia during the Gold Rush, but I'd probably be speaking Dutch (obviously I wouldn't exist, but just fun to think about).
what if charles manson became a rockstar?
You should make a video about if the American coup in Guatemala failed in 1954
Interesting Video🤨,Keep Up The Work
we'd be eating pancakes and smoking bongs.
What'd be funny is if today's New South Wales was called Nieuw Suid-Holland, and Queensland as Nieuw Noord-Holland, or Land van het Koningin; we've already Nieuw Zeeland and Tasmania/Van Diemen's Land. I wonder where the new cities would be and what they'd be called if the main ones weren't as they are today.
You know what would be a good timeline to make a video about? What if the Islamic golden age never ended. Timeline; Umma Islamia
I dont think a Dutch Australia would come anywhere close to as successful
Perhaps so.
can imagine dutch royals/gob moving to Australia during world war 2 like the Portuguese crown went to Brasil after Napoleon invaded
A VIDEO!
“There are two things I hate in this world, people who are intolerant of other peoples cultures, and the Dutch.”
-Nigel Powers
Make a video of that. The Netherlands keeps the Kape colony.
Imagine if dutch just colonize new zealand and Indonesia, while britian just colonize Australia, fiji and some islands that arent colonize (i ment some that aren't colonize by french, dutch and german)
When you say "you can" in Dutch but use the honorific version of "you" instead of the more informal one you say "u kunt", so not much would change in Dutch Australia.
What if the UN 1947 partition plan for the British Mandate of Palestain worked? Can you do a video about that? I'm curious to know if that whole business could worked out
A country successfully colonizes a place if its language influences the colony enough to at least make them speak a creole version of your language. Then that's somewhat successful. You _really_ win when they just speak your language.
So Britian, France and Spain succeeded every other tuesday when they had empires. The Dutch had some success with their Antilles, 75% success with South Africa (due to Afrikaans), and only truly succeeded with Suriname (which speaks plain Dutch to this day).
I'm once again asking for a what if the British recognised the Western Australia secessionist referendum video.
What if the Hundred Years War never happened?
What if the First Balkan War became a World War ?
Can you imagine same if European Continent had stayed Roman? Now you've got a concept of the Australian Continents (accelerated future, needs to be ASAP or Aboriginal everything goes extinct, all Tasmanian bloodlines already have) future!
Boer Australia 😁
Then the Netherlands would have had its place under the sun
Bluey would be a Kooikerhondje instead of a blue heeler in this timeline.
The Dutch are so underrated man.
No they are not by most. Banking, agriculture, trade etc all recognised as Dutch influenced
No they are not by most. Banking, agriculture, trade etc all recognised as Dutch influenced
It’s funny just how many colonies the British took away from the Dutch
Like New Amsterdam?
@@paulfri1569 Well they lost that, Ceylon, Cape Colony, parts of Guiana, their claims in India, Dutch Gold Coast, and probably a few more I am missing
@@EEE-pv2eo So many hey. The British were the best 💪 Shame they didn't try to acquire South American Spanish colonies 🤔
@@paulfri1569 If the British had been the best, they would have taken over the Netherlands as they did India, Ireland, and other countries.
The Dutch literally created their own country through war and rose to power from nothing, in contrast to the Spanish English and Portugese who were already superpowers at the time, let alone the small populations the Dutch had compared to these countries, which is actually more amusing
What if Danes and Swedes were more successful in Colonization?
What if France was Protestant?
The Dutch could have just settled their nation with Germans and Scandinavian protestants, so their population being stagnant is no excuse for an empty New Holland.
The same happened to the USA.
Also you really missed a good chance as to see New Hollands response to the Boer genocide in South Africa, as well as leaving out New Zealand from being colonized? (U didn't even explain ur thumbnail.)
I think this scenario could have been way more interesting if properly worked out with proper knowledge from the times. Seeing how Australia has always been a soldier basket for Britain, now that would be the case for the Dutch Empire.
Would New Holland take independence after Napoleon taking the Netherlands? Would the Dutch royal family move to New Holland, just as the Portugese royal family moved to Brazil??? So many interesting routes you could have taken but didn't :(
Would the USA compete with the Dutch Empire in the pacific? What about WW1?? Wouldn't the Dutch colonies(If taken independence after Napoleon) try to side with the germans to free their white dutch relatives (boers) in SA from British colonial rule??
Actually of the 2.7 million white Afrikaans speakers in SA, not all by any means are descended from the Dutch. It was settled by VOC (Dutch East India Company) employees and many of them were not of Dutch extraction, just as many Dutch West India Company employees weren't. Dutch seamen in the 17th century could make more money and undergo less risk in the Baltic herring trade. After the 30 years war many ex soldiers from the German states went to work for both companies. Hence the prevalence of German names in the Dutch Caribbean nowadays, also there are some quite common German names in SA like Oberholzer. Later French Huguenots who'd fled to NL were incentivised to relocate to the Cape after the Dutch had failed trying to produce wine in Indonesia, specifically to produce it there as they had the know-how which the Dutch lacked. Hence French names like Fourie being common in SA too. As to DeKlerk, a very common name in SA, that isn't a common name in NL nowadays but it's obviously from the French De Clerq, as at the time the Cape was under Dutch control the Netherlands included present day Belgium, and I think (not sure) that De Klerk / De Clerq is common in Belgium.
What if the British exiled the Boers to Western Australia after the Second Boer War?
What if Roma become a Republic again like it was shown in the film Gladiator?
What if the Taiping Rebellion succeded?
Austrialian will be a language? I mean just like Zuid-Afrika has its own language is it possible that Austrialia develops like that too?
What if Britain had used Canada as the preferred penal colony rather than Australia?
When Indonesia gains independence, what will happen to New Holland?