Karl Rahner on the Trinity

Part of the course Trinitarianism

[@traceyedson9652]

Very interesting & helpful. I wonder if reading Rahner might be helpful to me spiritually.

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14 Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.

[@claudiozanella256]

The doctrine of the trinity is just a huge hoax. Jesus - without a shadow of a doubt - states dozens of times TO BE ONLY WITH THE FATHER. Contrary to the trinity doctrine - which claims the existence of a close union of three divine persons - Jesus is NEVER with A. the Father AND B. the Holy Spirit. ("I am not ALONE because the Father is with me", i.e. only Father and Son).
The most authoritative Witness decisively DISPROVES THE TRINITY: ONLY FATHER AND SON ARE TOGETHER, Jesus has NO SECOND RELATIONSHIP with a THIRD DIVINE PERSON. That SINGLE relationship with the Father is COHERENTLY discussed by Jesus throughout four gospels, He has no idea of what a triune God is supposed to be!
The fact that this DECISIVE TESTIMONY of the FALSEHOOD of the trinity is within so EASY REACH does not lower its value. It simply shows the ARROGANCE with which that doctrine was created - immediately COLLIDING with the Jesus' words - and the VIOLENCE with which it was enforced, even today.
The silly bishops in Constantinople weren't able to figure out that the Holy SPIRIT simply is the "Father who is a SPIRIT", thus no third divine person exists.

[@Yela927]

Chapter and verse?

[@claudiozanella256]

@@Yela927
One must be blind not to see those passages, just SOME of them:
"Yet, I am not ALONE, but I and the Father who sent me are one." (explicit)
"those who will BELIEVE in me through their word so that they all may be one, as you, FATHER, are in ME, and I in YOU. THEY also may be one in US..." (believers, Father and Son, nobody else is there)
"I am not ALONE because the Father is with me". (different from "I am not alone because the Father and the Holy Spirit are with me").
" ...no MAN knows, no, not the ANGELS in heaven or the Son, but THE FATHER ONLY knows." (just Son, men and angels are considered, no third divine person)
" No man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him." NO THIRD PERSON KNOWING FATHER AND SON EXISTS
"The WORDS I say to you, I say not on my own but from the FATHER WHO DWELLS IN ME." (this means nobody else is there, Jesus is already helped by the Father)
" You neither know me nor my Father." (nobody else is there to be known)
" On that day you will know that I am in my Father, you are in me, and I am in you." (Apostles, Father and Son, nobody else)
"The Father has not left me ALONE because I always do what pleases Him." (again)
" My Father works now, so I work." (nobody else is working)
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[@Yela927]

@@claudiozanella256 so do you just decide to ignore the scripture that clearly addresses the Holy Spirit?

[@claudiozanella256]

@@Yela927
That was a clear BLUNDER of the churchfathers, they couldn't figure out that the Holy Spirit is THE FATHER AGAIN.
From my previous comment you are ABSOLUTELY SURE that ONLY THE FATHER is with the Son. Thus, of course only TWO blasphemies can exist: either 1. against the Son or 2. against the Father. Accordingly, Jesus discussed those TWO blasphemies, but in the second one the Father was surprisingly addressed using the name "Holy Spirit". Why? Simply because Jesus tells us that the FATHER IS A SPIRIT (Jn. 4: 23,24). Thus "Holy Spirit" is just a "spirit-name" given by Jesus to that Spirit who is the Father. The Father is thus called either "Holy Father" or "Holy Spirit by Jesus.
Why TWO NAMES?
Even the churchfathers noticed something weird but very important: God does NOT PERSONALLY take actions here on earth, rather everything is carried out by his Spirit: the Holy Spirit. Thus, some churchfathers thought He was a person and called Him the "HELPER". Wrong. It is true that God doesn't personally take actions, but his Spirit is not a "Helper": He is the SAME ALMIGHTY GOD IN THE FORM OF A SPIRIT, as explained above. In other terms GOD IS AWAY (in another temporal dimension) and is here only in the form of a spirit: "God is a spirit". He is the "Spirit of God".
God is thus "split" into TWO PARTS, He is personally MISSING, this is why Jesus says "Nobody has seen God at any time" "the world has not known you". "INVISIBILITY" has nothing to do with that! HIS SPIRIT takes actions here, this means NOBODY is here, so that everything is actually DECIDED BY THE MISSING GOD. No third divine person exists.

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God is not a spirit God is Spirit

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