I live in Indiana, we led the voucher program. Our public schools are struggling to fund programs, private schools can choose their students and we have students thrown back into public schools and the funding stays with the private school. The funding doesn’t follow the student. We too threw out the income requirements, our tax dollars are now subsidizing wealthy parents private school education of their children!
Private elementary schools range from $20K-40K. A voucher won't cover the entire cost. How will people come up with the difference? Couldn't agree with Sunny and Whoopi more, the voucher program is a way to dismantle public schools. Part of the problem is the Federal Govt mandates on special education, but they don't completely fund the mandates.
I just commented the same thing the catch with the voucher program is it possibly wont cover the entire tuition leaving you on the hook for any other bills/expenses. It really doesn't work for the middle class. Its another scheme for corporations to suck Americans dry of their money. I wouldn't be surprised that they are actively trying to sabotage the public school system to get these voucher programs into the front and center. That way they can claim "look the public school system doesn't work"
Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them. Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.” What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.” Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
Alyssa Farah Griffin: "I think we need a GI Bill for teachers. I think if you go into teaching your education should be paid for. I think we need to pay teachers more. It is we have a teachers shortage in this country" 👏👏💯💯
Yeah because getting shot at is equivalent to teaching snot nosed kids. Also, they all ready have something like this where your education is paid for after 10 years of public work. She didn't say anything enlightening.
I respect all of the ladies on the panel bringing stats and sharing their experiences, but I have to agree with Sara and Whoopi. Instead of trying to improve an already established education system, rich people want us to fund a new, de-regulated system with limited access? Big nope. We need to fund public schools people!! And pay teachers more!!
You mean so teachers can BUY A HOME? Not use their income on pencils and markers and snacks for the kids? You must be an evil socialist 🥰! They are our children! Educate them, teach them arts and music and math and science and health and government and all...
As I teacher for almost 40 years, I watched where that funding went....math, science, computers and sports. The arts got nothing and most of us had second jobs to buy materials for our classes and students.
It's a crying shame! Teachers deserve to be paid for the work they do. My kids' teachers were at art shows and concerts and hand bell concerts. They were counselors and and generally wonderful people!
@@fustinaduberry5645 I'm one of those who is disgusted by Trump, but am voting for him because the Democrats are racist and misandrist and intolerant. Trump is the lesser of two evils.
ya, throw more money at the current failing model. sorry it's not a terrible idea but teacher pay is not a core problem of public education... there's plenty of money but it's just poorly allocated. public ed needs a major reform but no one is interested for a variety of reasons. it's going to fall further and further behind for a while.
Fund the public schools! Iowa made a HUGE mistake by going the voucher route! And kids need to be fed! If there aren't adequate public schools, kids aren't getting the meal opportunities. Help our under privileged kids!!!!
Its corrupt republicans against the public interest always, its the same with the cons here theyre so bad they refused to spend money allocated on education then used that as an excuse to try to privatize, they did the same with healthcare, everyone ends up protesting them every public sector.
Ya think because public schools are terrible maybe?? Improve the test scores, lose the gender nonsense and I'll think about not asking for a voucher...
Why should we fund the public schools? Because they are doing so well in testing? How about the indoctrination into Marxism/socialism and the transgender agenda?
Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them. Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.” What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.” Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
Teacher here So many of us are burnt out and quitting in mass numbers We're losing YOUNG NEW TEACHERS after only a few years of the reality of Teaching in the US - (no respect from Parents , no consequences for their kids, VERY low pay considering most of us have Master's Degrees) and now this . Just because someone's famous and a Billionaire SHOULD NOT mean they know ANYTHING about EDUCATION ! Why don't they ever ASK A TEACHER ?? SO dehumanizing
Fund all public schools equally. Why is that concept controversial? It doesn't matter their zip code, fund all the schools equally. Why are some counties deemed more worthy of funding? Stop funding schools based primarily on property taxes and fund them equally. This isn't hard.
@@The_king567 same reason I gave one of my "worst" behaved students turned school wide Student of the Month by the end of the year: I teach and pay taxes so you won't climb in my windows--so you can have your own windows, hopefully some that are better than those at my house. Where exactly do you think the kids who know you don't like them and know you don't have kids are going to pillage first?
I have one child with severe learning disabilities. I called several of the charter type schools available, they came right out and told me they wouldn't even consider my son because they don't take kids with disabilities. THEY SHOULD NOT GET A SINGLE DIME OF FEDERAL MONEY BECAUSE THEY OPENLY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST DISABLED KIDS.
@@yair77 that's correct...however some parents are under the assumption that they are. Charters schools in most cases donot have special ed teachers because their pay scale is lower than public schools and benefits like healthcare are limited...but that won't stop the charter school from enrolling the special ed student and not providing the services required by the child's iep... the charter school will eventually transfer the child to their local public school..but keep the money I'm a former teacher...seen it happen a number of times.
Students will always perform poorly when they don’t have enough food to eat, a safe environment to go home to, and parents who have time from work to help them.
We have ancestors that lived under worst conditions, but their families instilled in them the value of and education/freedom. Our ancestors kept moving forward, today there is too much whining and sitting still.
@@The_king567 If you're serious and not just trolling; quite possibly but, only for those who can afford it. And, if you had a private education, I'd suggest asking for your money back. Your complete lack of punctuation in such a tiny sentence speaks volumes. It's also a good argument for firm regulation of private schools. You're welcome.😁
And if they squeak in, they are quickly sent back to public school. This is part of what makes public school look like they underperform. All of the "good kids" who will get good grades no matter where they are educated, are siphoned from the public schools. How many people were helped by the "smart kids" in class? How many people were grouped with a student because the teacher wanted to put two or three kids together so they could share their knowledge and experience and teach each other? It is hard to do that in a classroom anymore when almost no one can read, and few have any confidence in their educational abilities.
Thank you for pointing this out, this is part of fixing the system. If students who aren’t just naturally good at academics fall behind, there really isn’t support for them. It’s not about “oh just pass them it doesn’t matter” , it’s about giving quality education to ALL students. This actually hits close to home because I was a struggling student my entire life. Almost never got As and Bs on anything. Partly was my fault yes but, it was also the fact that the “support” I tried to get didn’t really help me. People need to realize that a student who fails all the time doesn’t mean they are broken, something else could be the reason if schools took the time to tailor the education for that student instead of shoving them in a “special” class, which is degrading, humiliating and also DOESN’T HELP. I really need people to understand that the answer is not private schools, the answer is to put more money into giving quality education to ALL students regardless of income and regardless of how they learn.
I’ll say that I’ve worked with student with disabilities in the past. Charter schools and private schools are not required to provide all accommodations. I’ve literally dealt with kids with disabilities who never received help and In some cases didn’t even know how to read.
Privatization of public goods is never a good idea. As flawed as the government is, it’s still accountable to we the people. Private corporations whose only goal is making money have no duty to the people or what’s right. Trump wanted to privatize the USPS and put DeJoy in charge for that specific reason
I've literally dealt with school administrators who harm kids, shackling them to some faux disability diagnosis because it increases the school's budget. You're disgusting.
Funding public schools is a much more robust way to bolster our education system. School choice doesn’t require that private schools accept every student who applies, so the school has the choice, not the students.
@@bkm2797could be disability, race, sexual orientation, gender expression. Private schools remain just that, private, regardless of these silly vouchers.
Exactly! Public schools are required to accept all students who walk through their doors, regardless of socio/economic status, mental health/behavioral issues/IQ/family disfunction etc. Private schools can screen kids, and accept only the creme dela creme. No wonder they look good in comparison. Vouchers are just a drop in the bucket towards improving education for the masses. The reality of the situation is, most kids are going to go through our public school system, and we need to figure out how to fix it. (without government interference from the left or right!)
Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them. Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.” What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.” Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
TN is attempting to do this "bait & switch". The public school system should NOT be de funded!!!! How bout JZ drop some cash and fund the schools himself.
Here in North Carolina, charter schools will take students to get their voucher money. When the student is too much of a challenge for the charter schools due to behavior or special needs, they are no longer allowed to be at the charter school. At that point, they return to the public school for the rest of the school year, while the charter school keeps all the voucher money for that child. Another concern is that the public schools have all sorts of testing requirements and training that they must follow. The charter schools have nada.
Sunny is 100% correct!! The voucher system HURTS public schools. Private schools are heavily corporate minded. If you truly support public education & our educators, do not support vouchers.
Sunny has children. Did they go to public school? Of course not. I love how those who dont use the public school can complain abt vouchers to help fund the private education. Of course she doesn’t care bc she can afford the private school.
Former Public School Teacher and current District Employee here - I can 100% tell people that the voucher system is about rich people making money off the backs of Black and Brown students, and about destroying the already struggling public school in this country. Point and black
@@HH-gv8mx OP is partially correct... in many cases openly (or quietly) for profit voucher schools open in failing districts and attract a slice of the students and voucher $ from the public school. Say voucher school gets 12k per student via voucher. They then spend 8k per student on education and profit (or selective salary are much higher than others). This is nefarious in 2 ways, one it sucks $ out of the total education system for no education benefit. Two it often slices off kids with better home situations to the voucher school and leave behind a tougher subset for the public school. OP is partially wrong because this isn't categorically the case for vouchers. I.e. in several settings it is genuinely enhancing school choice and people who have had bad experiences in certain public schools have other options. Also not all of the vouchers are at 100% of per student funds. I.e. if a voucher is for say 50% of per student funds then really both sides could be fine because the public school could actually have more $ net per remaining pupil. The real issue where I would agree with OP is in struggling communities it subdivides the student talent and leaves behind a pool of kids with fewer positive role models. The overall problem isn't really vouchers though but lack of any reasonable plan from public education on improving quality. Vouchers keep coming around bc public education is rudderless.
Private schools belong to corporate organizations that have rich and wealthy donors. Public schools belong to the people that deserve resources to better equip and educate students from all walks of life.
Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them. Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.” What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.” Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
I am a retired teacher. The best thing the world's 'experts' can do is stay out of it, and allow teachers to do their job, without governmental/social media interference.
Do what Finland did and outlaw private education. If the billionaire’s kids have to go to the locate public school, suddenly they’ll start investing in education.
@@The_king567 it’s a brilliant idea and is working well in other parts of the world. You’re probably mad we might have some regulation and your kids won’t be taught that a talking snake tricked a woman to curse humanity.
I worked for a public school system and my kids went to private school - I have always been against school vouchers. Their only function is to siphon money out of public school. My taxes helped pay for public school, as it should. If I got voucher money, the local school would lose the money for my kids, without ever losing a student. Bottom line is that private schools will just raise prices enough to keep out the ones they do not want. Vouchers will not help.
As a teacher in the public school system, I can tell you that we NEED our classrooms fully funded! Vouchers can only cover the same amount of money that the state gives per student to public schools. That amount in my state will never cover the full tuition to a private school. So, as Sunny said it truly is the more well-off parents that are the ones who would benefit. The parents who are working 3 jobs just to put food on the table could never make the tuition - even with the voucher. Public schools need more teachers, smaller classrooms, and a little freedom to teach how we know is best for the children sitting in front of us. We ARE professionals in our field.
Even across public school districts, the poor kids have poor schools. It’s a cycle.. how are kids AND parents supposed to overcome this inequity? $$ going everywhere but education. There are no resources to even LET these kids fly or get out of these places.
They already are. Public schools are dying. Charter schools and vouchers are killing public schools. In Jacksonville Florida we having to close 30 schools because the down fall.
I live in Iowa. Our govenor Kim Reynolds pushed private school vouchers so hard that she primaried any Republican lawmaker that opposed it. It was unpopular and has become even more unpopular as more people realize the damage it causes to public schools. It has cost more than double the initial predicted cost in the first year. Over 60% of school vouchers go to those already going to private school. Private schools can discriminate for any reason. They do not have to meet the same educational standards of public schools. Also, oversight is by an out-of state entity. Most importantly, they take money from already chronically underfunded public schools, especially rural schools. Schools have closed.
As a Scandinavian Minnesotan, private schools are an absolute no. Education/daycare is a basic human right at every level, ages 0-100+. It must be free and equally accessible to all. Public schools must be fully funded. Educators should be revered and paid on the same level as lawyers/doctors. They educate and raise the next generation to walk the planet after all.
If you want your kids to go to a private school, pay for it. Don't take the money from public schools. So let the private schools give scholarships to poorer students, if you want private pay for it. Maybe tax churches to pay for private schools.
@@akwumba1 No, she wants children who aren't as privileged as her children to be able to receive as quality an education as her own children receive in private schools by not defunding public schools. Is it clear now?
THANK YOU, SUNNY & SARA! They came with the actual facts. Not just feelings, belief, and ultimately myths. There is no scientific evidence that private schools produce better student outcomes than public schools. Just that kids with different resources tend to go to private school and those resources pretty much explain everything, NOT the school. This is why we need better scientific literacy in this country. Alyssa, who I respect for her contributions to discussions very much, described graduation patterns that cannot be causally linked to the voucher program. The change in graduation rates in DC from one year to another can be pretty much entirely credited to gentrification. DC has pushed out kids from poor families into surrounding poor suburbs and instead boasts any improved outcome without acknowledging they traded out the kids from poor families for kids from rich families. Most educational outcomes can be explained by family income alone. DCPS is one of the ONLY sites of a scientific study using a causal research design to compare the outcomes of students who had an equal chance to go to private schools versus public schools. Sunny summarized the findings accurately. There were not only no differences, but there were signs that math skills were worse for students who went to private school. (Likely for the reasons Sara cited: way less regulation, which means private schools can use whatever curricula they want, hire personnel with whatever training they want, kick out any kid they want to make sure their data only reflects the kids they want, refuse to address any disability they want because they are not bound by laws like IDEA the same way public schools are). Once certain lobby groups got wind of these findings, they made sure that certain members of Congress slipped into the law funding the vouchers and the scientific study of this program to no longer allow causal research designs (i.e., designs where a kid had an equal chance of going to private or public school). THAT's what you call ideological interference with the truth. The View should bring in an expert on the key predictors of student outcomes and the role that segregation (esp. housing) has played in ensuring that resources are inadequately distributed. The corporations/organizations behind charters and private schools want tax dollars but don't want to follow any of the rules that public schools must abide by. These corporations/organizations tend to point to teachers' unions as the primary difference between public and private, but the key differences are pretty fundamental -- like how scientifically supported anything they teach is and which kids they are legally mandated to serve. There is some evidence that charters when regulated with the same rigor as public schools could produce better student outcomes. But the vast majority of charters are allowed much looser rules (charters also pick and choose which students to let in and kick them out when those students could potentially mess up their performance indicators; basically, charters are cheating on the test). So, please, View, keep educating the public about the facts of public versus private school education. And the real predictors of student outcomes.
that's a reasonably stated take... think the question it misses though is why are increasing numbers of people interested in vouchers/leave public school?... think honestly most of the voucher "fight" is just noise and public ed foolishly engages in fighing the noise instead of understanding and resolving the underlying why, what do you think?
@@kheldaryt, in terms of possible reasons why increasing numbers of people are interested in leaving public school, such a discussion is a complicated one and the reasons are sometimes different depending on circumstances. First, as I noted in my first comment, there is a myth prevalent and longstanding that private schools are inherently better than public schools at improving student academic outcomes. The scientific data simply do not support this general notion. However, we know even less about specialized schools -- arts, technology, CTE, LD, specific developmental delay. Advocates argue that perhaps the difference could be detected for kids showing particular profiles of strengths/needs. We would need a causal research design to test that out and there would need to be enough kids fitting the specialization with an equal chance to go public versus private included in the study to give each school condition a fair shot. I bet that if a school were to find an economic way to reduce class sizes; fully staff with the necessary expertise such as specialists in specific LDs, speech and language therapists, school psychologists, art/tech/CTE masters; and update/maintain school facilities necessary for these specialized learning strengths/needs, that school would serve their students well, regardless of funding stream. Second, I would guess that the increasingly hostile and orchestrated attacks on public education (e.g., "failing public schools", "greedy teachers' unions", and "parental choice" against "wokism"/"grooming", loosening of regulations for taxpayer funding of religious schools) and education/scholarship in general have added to parental distrust of yet another democratic institution. Individual politicians have run exactly on attacking public schools as harming children and keeping parents in the dark. And these politicians armed only with anecdotes or just made-up claims got elected. Added to the myth that private schools are inherently better, parents may have more reason to want to switch to private schools, where they think they have more say over what kind of education their kid receives. Perhaps wealthy parents who have financial control over a private school could have such power (including forcing a school to ignore their kids' rule-breaking and potential harm on other students). But for everyday parents coming in through a voucher or scholarship, there is little recourse when the private school fails to address the special education needs of your kid or kicks out your kid, because most private schools are not regulated the same way as public schools. Just like public schools, I have heard some private schools are great when it comes to particular kids. But it is tough to know until your kid tries the new school. And again, we need causal research and most private schools do NOT want to participate in a real head-to-head comparison with public schools (i.e., kids have an equal chance of attending public versus private school; private school want to select/reject students and public schools can't do that). The reason I see as the most valid for families wanting an alternative to their neighborhood public school is their neighborhood is scary and desperate. Therefore, their neighborhood school is also scary and desperate, because the school draws its strengths and needs from its surrounding neighborhood. That's what happened for me. Our local public system allowed families to petition to go to another public school and the key reason was out of concern for safety which in turns affects student academic outcomes. This safety problem is a SOCIETALLY determined problem, NOT the school's fault and I'm not sure any number of student resource officers (code for cops based in schools) would be enough bandaid to fix this problem. Instead, society needs to tackle issues that society seems divided on actually caring to solve. Specifically, we Americans just don't want to really talk about social class especially as measured by income, the difficulty of improving our social class regardless of effort and rule-following, and the de-segregation of our neighborhoods by social class. Yes, we have a problem with segregation by race, but I think the data would argue that segregation by class explains most of the damage done by segregation. Because every single major life outcome in the U.S. is shaped by social class. By the safety, security, opportunity, and protections from consequences of mistakes that comes with social class. So, those are some reasons that come to mind, when it comes to the increasing number of parents thinking about taking their kid out of their neighborhood public school.
@@shadetails2133 interesting, I think either you are over using ChatGPT or overthinking it. public schools are suffering from trust issues. People increasingly think public schools are losing focus and competence. I think the mistake most public school advocates make is to attack other alternatives rather than to assess if public school outcomes are indeed sliding. What do you think?
@@kheldaryt, that chatgpt comment is hilarious. People in my generation have a pretty strong suspicion about all this AI doing work for / in replace of humans. I'm in the area of the sciences that study stuff like this. So, maybe we dissect things a bit differently and more intensely than non-scientists do. That's why we leave the translation and "spinning" to non-scientists. In any case, I think your response is pretty much in line with my apparently verbose explanation.
@@shadetails2133 i think you are right that the trust issue part is key but think where I see it differently is the reason and scope. You appear to put a lot of weight on nefarious actors who are scaring parents into switching. My question is what if parents are making the assessments themselves? And further what if they are correct? I think there’s a reasonable chance public education in the US is in more trouble than people realize. People seem to just ignore the possibility there is a problem with public education. Seems strange to me people aren’t more concerned about that and are just concerned about the $ of vouchers and not the larger implications.
@@srebaayao9616 Well, her children never went to jail before either and I'm sure she still has better ideas about criminal justice reform than you ever could.
3:32 because you turned out to be such an outstanding person, Ana? Exactly what value are you bringing to the world, being a daytime talk show co-host?
Private schools have the right to deny acceptance to their schools. This means if they determine kids will be a drag on their "success rate" they'll not accept them or they'll find a reason to have the kids removed once they realize kids are going to drag down their stats.... Public schools have a plethora of issues, least of which is underpaid, overworked teachers and administrators, crowded classrooms and lack of resources for the students. Too often they're using ditto sheets and kids don't have text books to reference when they need to refresh for an assignment or have an adult at home help them. We've also got to stop allowing the text book industry control of our resources. Public schools need the funding so they can afford enough teachers/staff to lessen the burden on overcrowded classrooms.
Vouchers have been proven not to work. One can point to some examples here and there, but for the most part they don’t and ultimately just make public schools worst.
Fantastic discussion! All sides presented. It's not a simple problem to solve. Great debate while still being respectful. Thank you, women of The View!
nah it was poorly done because it was all whining on their predetermined views... what solutions did they offer?... this one isn't rocket science give a 50% voucher then each side gets something... if a kid goes w voucher then public keeps 50% and other kids staying proportionally get more $. who says no to that deal?
Yes it can. Shame, shame Jay-Z. You should know better considering you are from the hood. You're supposed to help your community; not make it worse for them.
I'm not with Alysia on everything that she stated. First off, it's a known fact that it's NOT always the teacher, it's the student that doesn't participate or want to learn. AND, IT ALL STARTS AT HOME. If you don't sit down with your child and discuss their homework NIGHTLY, or teach them the basic skill of paying attention, when they get into school they will take their bad habits and run with them with their peers. PARENTS, you chose to bring the child into this world, they are NOT just a tax right off for you. Pay attention to them, teach them early on about learning skills, and stop making it the responsibility of teachers to do the job you chose in the first place. I'm so tired of people blaming schools when in fact it's the parents responsibility FIRST AND FOREMOST.
Yes, you definitely make a great point here. Parents truly need to step it up. You cannot throw your child into school with zero manners, skills, discipline, reviewing at home, etc. and expect the teacher to do their job as well as parent your child. It throws off the whole balance in the classroom.
Jay Z should stick to music and take a breather because he came from an underprivileged background. Why not do what you can to make the school system better in places like that Go FIRST. If you want to help do something that really helps people who support you. Not all vouchers support a whole private school tuition so who is paying the rest??? Present a complete plan and not just a plan that benefits the well to do
@@chrisglover9700 the voucher is for private education and the lower class communities can't afford it so why not make the education system better from the bottom up and not just for those who have better economic standings? That's the bottom line. The voucher program isn't for a public school education in a better district, that would be easier on the ear than just a voucher for expensive private school education
@@chrisglover9700 nothing stopping him from funding scholarships or taking advantage of the rather lax regulations in some states and starting his own charter school.
I get where he’s coming from!! Being a teacher myself, public schools can be a nightmare, especially title 1 schools. Some parents don’t want their children exposed to certain things. I’m not sure private schools are better for a child academically. That would vary on a case by case basis. However, you can’t dispute that children are typically more well-behaved in a private school. That’s why so many teachers take a 15k-20k pay cut to teach private when they already know they’re broke to start with!😂😂 Life sucks sometimes!!
Meanwhile Florida expanded their eligibility for vochers and parents can spend the leftover vouchers to fund TV, Disney ticket, and any other item or vacation that can be used for “educational purposes” No I do not support vocher programs.
Public school were under performing decades before a voucher system was implemented. Tax payers are paying more than we ever have before. So it’s not that we don’t have the funding. It’s that the funding is being distributed according to politicians.
Voucher programs are a bait and switch. Giving kids vouchers to go other schools does not mean they're going to get in the schools. A lot of the top schools are rigged. They keep their numbers looking good by only admitting kids who already match the level of the kids already going there. It's just like the Ivies in college. Of course, you're going to be highly ranked if you're highly selective. These rankings organizations sometimes give you more points for having higher requirements. All private schools are not the same. There are some private schools that people look at as one step away from a public school. The rich are already taking up these vouchers, which essentially amounts to a tax break for them, and some of these schools raise their tuition to make it harder for just anyone to attend. I'm willing to bet anyone that's ever worked for a community college, in college admissions, or in any capacity dealing with kids getting started in college; they will tell you that you can't really tell with a lot of students if they went to private or public school except the ones that are drastically behind. Cities across this country have been closing public schools over the past 10-15 years. All kind of funding had been cut. What did you really think was going to happen if you crammed more students into fewer schools with less resources? I know people who've gone to private school where they had to pay for everything. Their parents have to pay for their lunch on top of tuition. Some private schools have closed since the Bush era as well. Also, going to a private school is not going to stop school shootings unless you're school is like a fortress or living inside the walls of a Kingdom
In Texas our government has been pulling funds away from schools and teachers pay.The classrooms are overstuffed and under staffed. This has been a plan for decades. The kids with learning disabilities or non Christians can be kicked out of private school schools. It sounds great but what if a family can’t get a full scholarship , Low wage working parents have to drive the kids with several kids don’t have access to a car or cant get off from work. What about kids all over the city that cant carpool or go to birthday parties or walk home? Where are we going to get the money to fund these for profit private schools? Thats right, our governments. Will our parents with exclusive private schools and huge tuition allow their children to mingle with the common folks? There are a lot of questions that need to be answered.
Here's the thing... 1. Private schools have a limited number of openings, and 2. just because it's a private school doesn't mean it's a GOOD private school. Not every child is going to be able to attend a good private school. And there's no guarantee that the voucher in question will be enough to cover the tuition of a good private school. So what happens instead is that a lot of kids who can't afford a good private school STILL can't afford a good private school, and the folks using these vouchers are the ones already sending their kids to private schools. It becomes a coupon for their tuition and does nothing to actually help those kids who need it. It would be SO MUCH BETTER to instead fund those public schools where it's needed and build up various programs, particularly those assisting kids with special needs, as those are the ones who really tend to end up getting left out.
Oregon high school students won't have to prove basic mastery of reading, writing or math to graduate from high school until at least 2029, the state Board of Education decided unanimously
There are a few issues these students are facing; the first os hinger. As we learned during the pandemic there are too many people in this country who are hungry. You can't learn if you are hungry. Second, several religious schools closed in this area, i see this as a way to increase funding for them and dissolve the public school system all together thus still not solving the issue of educating the children. My question is why did Jayz come to philadelphia to push this agenda instead of doing this in new york? Probably he knew that the people of new york wouldn't go fo this mess.
Also, did Jayz go to a public school or private school as a child? As an adult, has he spoken with children that attend public schools and private schools? Just because something is exclusive, doesn't mean it's necessarily better.
Public schools require by law, teacher certification and credential status which are not required (by law) in private schools. Private does not mean better nor does it by itself ensure student success.
Sadly this is a symptom that not all public schools are up to par. Some public schools are great then there are the ones barely holding onto a thread. The amount of Funding is what makes school more successful due to the ability to acquire more resources and teachers not quitting. Why do most affluent public schools do better than poverty public school stricken communities??? Shouldn't they all receive the same amount of Money? Thats the issue!! And at first the voucher I thought was a good idea however I remember that there is a CATCH with the voucher program, sometimes the private school will charge more than the voucher can cover so you are left with more expenses. Shifting to the Privatization of the school sector wont work. Look at college its so expensive even with Financial aid and you still are on the hook for debt and im not even talking about private colleges these are public colleges. America needs to get it together. How we have money for wars and major corporate tax breaks yet there is no money for SCHOOL???? Something that Americans futures depend on. it should be a priority!!! But alas this vicious cycle of congress rhetoric and corporate fat cats that there isnt any money for the American people is just really at this point not shocking. They say the same thing over and over again.
In Alabama we have a public trust that you can put state income tax into. There is a cap on the fund. It’s not taking money from the earmarked education fund but it can be used for poor families’ children who are in failing schools. It’s not a voucher. It is regulated in regards to who gets it. And why. I taught at a school that existed solely to educate those in these failing schools. It’s a non profit that benefits from this fund. But it’s a case by case situation. We are failing our children. And public school teachers are stretched so thin. Yay for Alyssa about a teacher GI bill. If only.
Sunny Hostin went to a Private school and her children are going to a Private school. What a total Hypocrite. Send them to a Public school and fund them.
I know quite a few teachers who have left the profession. The number one reasons for ALL of them was 'safety'. These teachers had been physically attacked both in school and on the grounds, they'd been spat on, had things thrown at them, been sworn at - by both students and parents. The kids had no consequences for their behaviors and were allowed to continue to misbehave in schools while their teachers struggled to figure out how to get through a day safely. While they were all offered raises or bonuses to return to teaching even in different schools, not a single one did because no amount of money was worth the physical and psychological pain they chanced going through again. Until kids are held accountable for their behavior by the school systems AND their parents, we will continue to lose teachers. No amount of money is going to elevate the school experience if violence and disrespect for the teachers is allowed to continue unabated.
This always happens: After the discussion has moved forward between the other panelists, Whoopi always brings it backwards at the end with generalities and vagueries which were eliminated or resolved when the discussion was moving forward.
Just because you are sending you kids to private school , doesn’t mean it’s the best choice for them. Public Schools should be more funded the military and the police departments. If we want to fix a lot of the issues we heave to start with education and infrastructure
lol Sara made the dumbest argument. You are going to let religion stop parents who want their kids in a better school?! There are so many religions at a private school because they are better. You don’t have to be Christian to join. You probably will be by the time you leave if you want but it’s important to study all faiths and you actually get that at the private schools. When they teach world history and of closes if you come from a different background.
I've been working with school boards and administration for over 20 years, Sunny is absolutely right, the best countries and most educated per capita don't have private or charter schools because they make all of them go to public school and all the funding and resources are funneled into one location that is the only way for all kids to do better, we are one country, not caring about the next kid doesn't mean you have done best by your child because murders are usually committed by the kids forgotten in our society 😢
Yes public schools are a nightmare for parents and the learning is limited with all of the children who are not there to literally learn and parents who don't care and just want a babysitter. It's not underfunding it's underperforming and needing discipline
So many people haven’t dealt with the voucher system-if you have dealt with it, if you are in education, if you know how the state-level system of education; YOU KNOW that vouchers are damaging.
I’ve taught in both public and private and just like everything else. There are pros and cons, and there are similarities and differences and how the students are taught and how the culture and climate is ran. I’ve had good and bad experiences in both. However, I support parents, children, and families having a choice. I also agree that those who need help should be able to access it. My children have been in private schools for most of their schooling and my husband and I chose it for several reasons, one being we are Christians and we were happy to find Christian schools that support our beliefs. Second,our daughter was bullied and started experiencing depression at the tender age of 8. So, we had to do something different and it helped her thrive. So, you have to do what’s best for your family. I live in Illinois and we don’t have the voucher system but I do believe we should have better support for families who choose outside of the public school system because we are still hard working, tax paying citizens too.
The thing they leave out about private schools is that some of them give really distinct and focused curricula. In my city, charter and private schools are focused on topics like environment, math and science, art, music, etc. I think low-income students should definitely be afforded opportunities to attend these schools.
I live in Indiana, we led the voucher program. Our public schools are struggling to fund programs, private schools can choose their students and we have students thrown back into public schools and the funding stays with the private school. The funding doesn’t follow the student. We too threw out the income requirements, our tax dollars are now subsidizing wealthy parents private school education of their children!
Preach! Spread the word because a lot of people are being duped about these vouchers.
Thank you for you taking the time to educate us on this topic from experience. Continued success! Many thanks!!
It's a sin against our children. Thanks, Betsy DeVos you horrible "Christian" profiteer!
Oh wow😮 thanks for the info
This is the plan, check out Project 2025
Private elementary schools range from $20K-40K. A voucher won't cover the entire cost. How will people come up with the difference? Couldn't agree with Sunny and Whoopi more, the voucher program is a way to dismantle public schools. Part of the problem is the Federal Govt mandates on special education, but they don't completely fund the mandates.
I just commented the same thing the catch with the voucher program is it possibly wont cover the entire tuition leaving you on the hook for any other bills/expenses. It really doesn't work for the middle class. Its another scheme for corporations to suck Americans dry of their money. I wouldn't be surprised that they are actively trying to sabotage the public school system to get these voucher programs into the front and center. That way they can claim "look the public school system doesn't work"
Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them.
Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.”
What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.”
Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
Alyssa Farah Griffin: "I think we need a GI Bill for teachers. I think if you go into teaching your education should be paid for. I think we need to pay teachers more. It is we have a teachers shortage in this country" 👏👏💯💯
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Yeah because getting shot at is equivalent to teaching snot nosed kids. Also, they all ready have something like this where your education is paid for after 10 years of public work. She didn't say anything enlightening.
@@akwumba1you can work in a defunded neighborhood teaching for ten years to get 11k for your loans. NOT worth it!
wtf am I agreeing with a republican?!
@@heidilady lmao. If you can't pay back 11K in ten years you might want to delete the Amazon app off your phone.
Anything from taxes SHOULD NEVER support private anything. The whole point of private sector is paying for it themselves via direct payments.
Well said
Exactly.
yeaaa seems every time I see public private partnerships it ends in disaster. idk why people havent caught on yet
It seems like they want these vouchers to go towards religious schools which is a no. If that happens, religious institutions need to be taxed.
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I respect all of the ladies on the panel bringing stats and sharing their experiences, but I have to agree with Sara and Whoopi. Instead of trying to improve an already established education system, rich people want us to fund a new, de-regulated system with limited access? Big nope. We need to fund public schools people!! And pay teachers more!!
Really? Sunny brought stats, facts and citations, but the credit goes to Whoopi saying a lot without saying anything of substance?
You mean so teachers can BUY A HOME? Not use their income on pencils and markers and snacks for the kids?
You must be an evil socialist 🥰!
They are our children! Educate them, teach them arts and music and math and science and health and government and all...
Thank you.
Then you fund it with your own money
@@The_king567It’s not adding more tax on you. It’s keeping the funds for public school for these school.
As I teacher for almost 40 years, I watched where that funding went....math, science, computers and sports. The arts got nothing and most of us had second jobs to buy materials for our classes and students.
It's a crying shame! Teachers deserve to be paid for the work they do. My kids' teachers were at art shows and concerts and hand bell concerts. They were counselors and and generally wonderful people!
I taught for 35 years. Most of us had second jobs to make ends meet.
@@theskiesthelimit-q2k Lots of people have 2nd jobs, you're not special.
@@zvmZvm0102I bet you are trumper giving your last dollar to him. Teachers should not have to work second jobs to buy supplies for their classes.
@@fustinaduberry5645 I'm one of those who is disgusted by Trump, but am voting for him because the Democrats are racist and misandrist and intolerant. Trump is the lesser of two evils.
I love that GI Bill for teachers idea that Alyssa mentioned.
ya, throw more money at the current failing model. sorry it's not a terrible idea but teacher pay is not a core problem of public education... there's plenty of money but it's just poorly allocated. public ed needs a major reform but no one is interested for a variety of reasons. it's going to fall further and further behind for a while.
Lol. It makes no sense. Someone could just get free tuition, and then quit or get fired from their teacher job.
Fund the public schools! Iowa made a HUGE mistake by going the voucher route! And kids need to be fed! If there aren't adequate public schools, kids aren't getting the meal opportunities. Help our under privileged kids!!!!
Its corrupt republicans against the public interest always, its the same with the cons here theyre so bad they refused to spend money allocated on education then used that as an excuse to try to privatize, they did the same with healthcare, everyone ends up protesting them every public sector.
Ya think because public schools are terrible maybe?? Improve the test scores, lose the gender nonsense and I'll think about not asking for a voucher...
Why should we fund the public schools? Because they are doing so well in testing? How about the indoctrination into Marxism/socialism and the transgender agenda?
Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them.
Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.”
What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.”
Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
Teacher here So many of us are burnt out and quitting in mass numbers We're losing YOUNG NEW TEACHERS after only a few years of the reality of Teaching in the US - (no respect from Parents , no consequences for their kids, VERY low pay considering most of us have Master's Degrees) and now this . Just because someone's famous and a Billionaire SHOULD NOT mean they know ANYTHING about EDUCATION ! Why don't they ever ASK A TEACHER ?? SO dehumanizing
Public education in big cities is crucial and needs to be supported. Voucher systems going elsewhere makes no sense
Yes it does. You shouldn't be forced to send your kid to a district school that lets them down.
Fund all public schools equally. Why is that concept controversial? It doesn't matter their zip code, fund all the schools equally. Why are some counties deemed more worthy of funding? Stop funding schools based primarily on property taxes and fund them equally. This isn't hard.
Right.
Why should I have to pay for these kids I don’t have or like
@@The_king567 same reason I gave one of my "worst" behaved students turned school wide Student of the Month by the end of the year: I teach and pay taxes so you won't climb in my windows--so you can have your own windows, hopefully some that are better than those at my house. Where exactly do you think the kids who know you don't like them and know you don't have kids are going to pillage first?
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This definitely needs to be investigated. You’re right, it isn’t hard!
I have one child with severe learning disabilities. I called several of the charter type schools available, they came right out and told me they wouldn't even consider my son because they don't take kids with disabilities.
THEY SHOULD NOT GET A SINGLE DIME OF FEDERAL MONEY BECAUSE THEY OPENLY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST DISABLED KIDS.
Charter schools are not private schools
@@yair77 that's correct...however some parents are under the assumption that they are.
Charters schools in most cases donot have special ed teachers because their pay scale is lower than public schools and benefits like healthcare are limited...but that won't stop the charter school from enrolling the special ed student and not providing the services required by the child's iep...
the charter school will eventually transfer the child to their local public school..but keep the money
I'm a former teacher...seen it happen a number of times.
Students will always perform poorly when they don’t have enough food to eat, a safe environment to go home to, and parents who have time from work to help them.
Children don't have parents who discipline that's why it's sickening
The neglect is palpable and disgusting in some communities
We have ancestors that lived under worst conditions, but their families instilled in them the value of and education/freedom. Our ancestors kept moving forward, today there is too much whining and sitting still.
@@abbeylan7982 What does lack of parental didcipline have to do eith School vouchers??
@@abbeylan7982Trie.
Privatization is a way to make money not improve education.
So parents who can afford private prefer to just throw away money? Doesn't make sense bro. Public schools are trash as are public school teachers.
Public schools are not managed correctly, its not a money thing its a Teacher Union corruption thing
Exactly. It's the perfect storm to guarantee than the majority of children won't have access to a decent education.
Privatization is always better private schools are always better
@@The_king567 If you're serious and not just trolling; quite possibly but, only for those who can afford it. And, if you had a private education, I'd suggest asking for your money back. Your complete lack of punctuation in such a tiny sentence speaks volumes. It's also a good argument for firm regulation of private schools. You're welcome.😁
The children who fall behind are not accepted into those voucher schools.
And if they squeak in, they are quickly sent back to public school. This is part of what makes public school look like they underperform. All of the "good kids" who will get good grades no matter where they are educated, are siphoned from the public schools. How many people were helped by the "smart kids" in class? How many people were grouped with a student because the teacher wanted to put two or three kids together so they could share their knowledge and experience and teach each other? It is hard to do that in a classroom anymore when almost no one can read, and few have any confidence in their educational abilities.
Thank you for pointing this out, this is part of fixing the system. If students who aren’t just naturally good at academics fall behind, there really isn’t support for them. It’s not about “oh just pass them it doesn’t matter” , it’s about giving quality education to ALL students. This actually hits close to home because I was a struggling student my entire life. Almost never got As and Bs on anything. Partly was my fault yes but, it was also the fact that the “support” I tried to get didn’t really help me. People need to realize that a student who fails all the time doesn’t mean they are broken, something else could be the reason if schools took the time to tailor the education for that student instead of shoving them in a “special” class, which is degrading, humiliating and also DOESN’T HELP. I really need people to understand that the answer is not private schools, the answer is to put more money into giving quality education to ALL students regardless of income and regardless of how they learn.
I’ll say that I’ve worked with student with disabilities in the past. Charter schools and private schools are not required to provide all accommodations. I’ve literally dealt with kids with disabilities who never received help and In some cases didn’t even know how to read.
Privatization of public goods is never a good idea. As flawed as the government is, it’s still accountable to we the people. Private corporations whose only goal is making money have no duty to the people or what’s right. Trump wanted to privatize the USPS and put DeJoy in charge for that specific reason
Then they need to handle that not the public
@@Salsero12I think that is what OP is saying…public schools are legally obligated to provide accommodations for students who need them.
I've literally dealt with school administrators who harm kids, shackling them to some faux disability diagnosis because it increases the school's budget. You're disgusting.
If a child can’t read, that’s on the parent.
Yes, Vouchers will kill public education. Next Question.
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@@Jcw-u4nya, we need the 10 commandments on the wall !! 😂😂
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Couldn't happen soon enough
Funding public schools is a much more robust way to bolster our education system. School choice doesn’t require that private schools accept every student who applies, so the school has the choice, not the students.
Oooh sounds like a way to hide racism, typical RepubliCon move!
@@bkm2797could be disability, race, sexual orientation, gender expression. Private schools remain just that, private, regardless of these silly vouchers.
Exactly, so these schools appear to be offering better education, when they are not. They are just choosing students that perform better.
You have been paying people with gift cards how stupendous . Billionaires built that school and they did nothing but “Chase” rump .
Exactly! Public schools are required to accept all students who walk through their doors, regardless of socio/economic status, mental health/behavioral issues/IQ/family disfunction etc. Private schools can screen kids, and accept only the creme dela creme. No wonder they look good in comparison. Vouchers are just a drop in the bucket towards improving education for the masses. The reality of the situation is, most kids are going to go through our public school system, and we need to figure out how to fix it. (without government interference from the left or right!)
Sarah Sanders is doing this crap in Arkansas atm, and it's been a nightmare for the district I graduated from; vouchers do not work!
Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them.
Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.”
What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.”
Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
TN is attempting to do this "bait & switch". The public school system should NOT be de funded!!!!
How bout JZ drop some cash and fund the schools himself.
Here in North Carolina, charter schools will take students to get their voucher money. When the student is too much of a challenge for the charter schools due to behavior or special needs, they are no longer allowed to be at the charter school. At that point, they return to the public school for the rest of the school year, while the charter school keeps all the voucher money for that child.
Another concern is that the public schools have all sorts of testing requirements and training that they must follow. The charter schools have nada.
Sunny is 100% correct!! The voucher system HURTS public schools. Private schools are heavily corporate minded. If you truly support public education & our educators, do not support vouchers.
I understand that, but we can't dismiss private schools and school vouchers. I support it!
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Sunny is never correct.
@@Jason-g6q I thought it was a catholic public school? SO it was a private catholic school?
Sunny has children. Did they go to public school? Of course not. I love how those who dont use the public school can complain abt vouchers to help fund the private education. Of course she doesn’t care bc she can afford the private school.
Former Public School Teacher and current District Employee here - I can 100% tell people that the voucher system is about rich people making money off the backs of Black and Brown students, and about destroying the already struggling public school in this country. Point and black
Make it about race ok because white kids don't ever get vouchers do they
I wish you would explain this because I have no idea what you’re talking about. What are vouchers? And how are rich people making money off of them?
@@HH-gv8mx OP is partially correct... in many cases openly (or quietly) for profit voucher schools open in failing districts and attract a slice of the students and voucher $ from the public school. Say voucher school gets 12k per student via voucher. They then spend 8k per student on education and profit (or selective salary are much higher than others). This is nefarious in 2 ways, one it sucks $ out of the total education system for no education benefit. Two it often slices off kids with better home situations to the voucher school and leave behind a tougher subset for the public school.
OP is partially wrong because this isn't categorically the case for vouchers. I.e. in several settings it is genuinely enhancing school choice and people who have had bad experiences in certain public schools have other options. Also not all of the vouchers are at 100% of per student funds. I.e. if a voucher is for say 50% of per student funds then really both sides could be fine because the public school could actually have more $ net per remaining pupil.
The real issue where I would agree with OP is in struggling communities it subdivides the student talent and leaves behind a pool of kids with fewer positive role models.
The overall problem isn't really vouchers though but lack of any reasonable plan from public education on improving quality. Vouchers keep coming around bc public education is rudderless.
Off the backs of brown students LMAO another clown I'm glad you weren't my kids teacher
After reading your statement I'm glad your no longer a public school teacher unreal
Private schools belong to corporate organizations that have rich and wealthy donors. Public schools belong to the people that deserve resources to better equip and educate students from all walks of life.
Sound like we should privatize public schools glad we agree
Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them.
Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.”
What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.”
Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”
I am a retired teacher. The best thing the world's 'experts' can do is stay out of it, and allow teachers to do their job, without governmental/social media interference.
Preach!
Do what Finland did and outlaw private education. If the billionaire’s kids have to go to the locate public school, suddenly they’ll start investing in education.
I agree 100%.
You’re going to confuse Alyssa.
That’s horrible idea crazy this has to be said
@@johnwebb2442you shouldn’t shows how you are not that smart
@@The_king567 it’s a brilliant idea and is working well in other parts of the world. You’re probably mad we might have some regulation and your kids won’t be taught that a talking snake tricked a woman to curse humanity.
I worked for a public school system and my kids went to private school - I have always been against school vouchers. Their only function is to siphon money out of public school. My taxes helped pay for public school, as it should. If I got voucher money, the local school would lose the money for my kids, without ever losing a student. Bottom line is that private schools will just raise prices enough to keep out the ones they do not want. Vouchers will not help.
This is why I'm glad I graduated 13 years ago. Schools are going through the most right now.
I’m sure the same issues were present then.
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As a teacher in the public school system, I can tell you that we NEED our classrooms fully funded! Vouchers can only cover the same amount of money that the state gives per student to public schools. That amount in my state will never cover the full tuition to a private school. So, as Sunny said it truly is the more well-off parents that are the ones who would benefit. The parents who are working 3 jobs just to put food on the table could never make the tuition - even with the voucher. Public schools need more teachers, smaller classrooms, and a little freedom to teach how we know is best for the children sitting in front of us. We ARE professionals in our field.
Even across public school districts, the poor kids have poor schools. It’s a cycle.. how are kids AND parents supposed to overcome this inequity? $$ going everywhere but education. There are no resources to even LET these kids fly or get out of these places.
They already are. Public schools are dying. Charter schools and vouchers are killing public schools. In Jacksonville Florida we having to close 30 schools because the down fall.
I live in Iowa. Our govenor Kim Reynolds pushed private school vouchers so hard that she primaried any Republican lawmaker that opposed it. It was unpopular and has become even more unpopular as more people realize the damage it causes to public schools.
It has cost more than double the initial predicted cost in the first year. Over 60% of school vouchers go to those already going to private school. Private schools can discriminate for any reason. They do not have to meet the same educational standards of public schools. Also, oversight is by an out-of state entity.
Most importantly, they take money from already chronically underfunded public schools, especially rural schools. Schools have closed.
Follow the money! Fix the system! Pay your teachers! Charter schools doesn't mean better education!! Ijs ( I taught 36 years )
As a Scandinavian Minnesotan, private schools are an absolute no. Education/daycare is a basic human right at every level, ages 0-100+. It must be free and equally accessible to all. Public schools must be fully funded. Educators should be revered and paid on the same level as lawyers/doctors. They educate and raise the next generation to walk the planet after all.
If you want your kids to go to a private school, pay for it. Don't take the money from public schools. So let the private schools give scholarships to poorer students, if you want private pay for it. Maybe tax churches to pay for private schools.
Poorer students also tend to be dumber. There's a genetic component to intelligence. Poverty and stupidly correlate.
It's about time Sunny Hostin disagreed with Alyssa Farah Griffin about something It's been a minute 😂😂🤣🤣
That's how you respectfully disagree with a person. Name calling never works lol 😆
Did Sunny’s kids go to private school?
Not sure why that's funny 🙄
Two-faced hypocritical troll.
@@fullcasitafullheart9476Ask her. Not that it’s any of your business.
Dang at 2:28 Alyssa Farah Griffin and Ana Navarro should of waited because Sunny Hostin wasn't finished making her point 💯
does blue ivy go to public school? i need celebs like jay-z to practice what they preach before i start listening.
He's saying more children should have another option to public schools
Of course not.
You're talking too real and too right
None of Sunny's kids went to public school but she wants other kids to not get vouchers to go to private schools.
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No, she wants children who aren't as privileged as her children to be able to receive as quality an education as her own children receive in private schools by not defunding public schools. Is it clear now?
THANK YOU, SUNNY & SARA! They came with the actual facts. Not just feelings, belief, and ultimately myths. There is no scientific evidence that private schools produce better student outcomes than public schools. Just that kids with different resources tend to go to private school and those resources pretty much explain everything, NOT the school.
This is why we need better scientific literacy in this country. Alyssa, who I respect for her contributions to discussions very much, described graduation patterns that cannot be causally linked to the voucher program. The change in graduation rates in DC from one year to another can be pretty much entirely credited to gentrification. DC has pushed out kids from poor families into surrounding poor suburbs and instead boasts any improved outcome without acknowledging they traded out the kids from poor families for kids from rich families. Most educational outcomes can be explained by family income alone.
DCPS is one of the ONLY sites of a scientific study using a causal research design to compare the outcomes of students who had an equal chance to go to private schools versus public schools. Sunny summarized the findings accurately. There were not only no differences, but there were signs that math skills were worse for students who went to private school. (Likely for the reasons Sara cited: way less regulation, which means private schools can use whatever curricula they want, hire personnel with whatever training they want, kick out any kid they want to make sure their data only reflects the kids they want, refuse to address any disability they want because they are not bound by laws like IDEA the same way public schools are). Once certain lobby groups got wind of these findings, they made sure that certain members of Congress slipped into the law funding the vouchers and the scientific study of this program to no longer allow causal research designs (i.e., designs where a kid had an equal chance of going to private or public school). THAT's what you call ideological interference with the truth.
The View should bring in an expert on the key predictors of student outcomes and the role that segregation (esp. housing) has played in ensuring that resources are inadequately distributed. The corporations/organizations behind charters and private schools want tax dollars but don't want to follow any of the rules that public schools must abide by. These corporations/organizations tend to point to teachers' unions as the primary difference between public and private, but the key differences are pretty fundamental -- like how scientifically supported anything they teach is and which kids they are legally mandated to serve. There is some evidence that charters when regulated with the same rigor as public schools could produce better student outcomes. But the vast majority of charters are allowed much looser rules (charters also pick and choose which students to let in and kick them out when those students could potentially mess up their performance indicators; basically, charters are cheating on the test). So, please, View, keep educating the public about the facts of public versus private school education. And the real predictors of student outcomes.
that's a reasonably stated take... think the question it misses though is why are increasing numbers of people interested in vouchers/leave public school?... think honestly most of the voucher "fight" is just noise and public ed foolishly engages in fighing the noise instead of understanding and resolving the underlying why, what do you think?
@@kheldaryt, in terms of possible reasons why increasing numbers of people are interested in leaving public school, such a discussion is a complicated one and the reasons are sometimes different depending on circumstances. First, as I noted in my first comment, there is a myth prevalent and longstanding that private schools are inherently better than public schools at improving student academic outcomes. The scientific data simply do not support this general notion. However, we know even less about specialized schools -- arts, technology, CTE, LD, specific developmental delay. Advocates argue that perhaps the difference could be detected for kids showing particular profiles of strengths/needs. We would need a causal research design to test that out and there would need to be enough kids fitting the specialization with an equal chance to go public versus private included in the study to give each school condition a fair shot. I bet that if a school were to find an economic way to reduce class sizes; fully staff with the necessary expertise such as specialists in specific LDs, speech and language therapists, school psychologists, art/tech/CTE masters; and update/maintain school facilities necessary for these specialized learning strengths/needs, that school would serve their students well, regardless of funding stream.
Second, I would guess that the increasingly hostile and orchestrated attacks on public education (e.g., "failing public schools", "greedy teachers' unions", and "parental choice" against "wokism"/"grooming", loosening of regulations for taxpayer funding of religious schools) and education/scholarship in general have added to parental distrust of yet another democratic institution. Individual politicians have run exactly on attacking public schools as harming children and keeping parents in the dark. And these politicians armed only with anecdotes or just made-up claims got elected. Added to the myth that private schools are inherently better, parents may have more reason to want to switch to private schools, where they think they have more say over what kind of education their kid receives. Perhaps wealthy parents who have financial control over a private school could have such power (including forcing a school to ignore their kids' rule-breaking and potential harm on other students). But for everyday parents coming in through a voucher or scholarship, there is little recourse when the private school fails to address the special education needs of your kid or kicks out your kid, because most private schools are not regulated the same way as public schools. Just like public schools, I have heard some private schools are great when it comes to particular kids. But it is tough to know until your kid tries the new school. And again, we need causal research and most private schools do NOT want to participate in a real head-to-head comparison with public schools (i.e., kids have an equal chance of attending public versus private school; private school want to select/reject students and public schools can't do that).
The reason I see as the most valid for families wanting an alternative to their neighborhood public school is their neighborhood is scary and desperate. Therefore, their neighborhood school is also scary and desperate, because the school draws its strengths and needs from its surrounding neighborhood. That's what happened for me. Our local public system allowed families to petition to go to another public school and the key reason was out of concern for safety which in turns affects student academic outcomes. This safety problem is a SOCIETALLY determined problem, NOT the school's fault and I'm not sure any number of student resource officers (code for cops based in schools) would be enough bandaid to fix this problem. Instead, society needs to tackle issues that society seems divided on actually caring to solve. Specifically, we Americans just don't want to really talk about social class especially as measured by income, the difficulty of improving our social class regardless of effort and rule-following, and the de-segregation of our neighborhoods by social class. Yes, we have a problem with segregation by race, but I think the data would argue that segregation by class explains most of the damage done by segregation. Because every single major life outcome in the U.S. is shaped by social class. By the safety, security, opportunity, and protections from consequences of mistakes that comes with social class.
So, those are some reasons that come to mind, when it comes to the increasing number of parents thinking about taking their kid out of their neighborhood public school.
@@shadetails2133 interesting, I think either you are over using ChatGPT or overthinking it. public schools are suffering from trust issues. People increasingly think public schools are losing focus and competence. I think the mistake most public school advocates make is to attack other alternatives rather than to assess if public school outcomes are indeed sliding. What do you think?
@@kheldaryt, that chatgpt comment is hilarious. People in my generation have a pretty strong suspicion about all this AI doing work for / in replace of humans. I'm in the area of the sciences that study stuff like this. So, maybe we dissect things a bit differently and more intensely than non-scientists do. That's why we leave the translation and "spinning" to non-scientists. In any case, I think your response is pretty much in line with my apparently verbose explanation.
@@shadetails2133 i think you are right that the trust issue part is key but think where I see it differently is the reason and scope. You appear to put a lot of weight on nefarious actors who are scaring parents into switching. My question is what if parents are making the assessments themselves? And further what if they are correct? I think there’s a reasonable chance public education in the US is in more trouble than people realize. People seem to just ignore the possibility there is a problem with public education. Seems strange to me people aren’t more concerned about that and are just concerned about the $ of vouchers and not the larger implications.
Joy needs to be in for this subject
This is when Sunny is at her best, well-researched, articulate and intelligently put.
Sunny is always “articulate.”
Sunny's children never did public school! Nyahahahahaha! Well researched gullibleness.
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Well, her children never went to jail before either and I'm sure she still has better ideas about criminal justice reform than you ever could.
Sarah, you hit the nail on the head 🙏
Yes Alyssa!! 🎉
3:32 because you turned out to be such an outstanding person, Ana? Exactly what value are you bringing to the world, being a daytime talk show co-host?
Let's just focus on making public schools better not give public funds to private sschools.
Sara Haines "teachers are underpaid"👏👏💯💯
* - some teachers are underpaid because public ed poorly allocates the plentiful $ it has.
Another topic that needs to be longer this is important because what Sarah is saying is true!!
I really like Alyssa's idea of a GI bill equivalent to teachers. So does an retired teacher I know. He said schools won't be equal until...
Private schools have the right to deny acceptance to their schools.
This means if they determine kids will be a drag on their "success rate" they'll not accept them or they'll find a reason to have the kids removed once they realize kids are going to drag down their stats....
Public schools have a plethora of issues, least of which is underpaid, overworked teachers and administrators, crowded classrooms and lack of resources for the students. Too often they're using ditto sheets and kids don't have text books to reference when they need to refresh for an assignment or have an adult at home help them.
We've also got to stop allowing the text book industry control of our resources.
Public schools need the funding so they can afford enough teachers/staff to lessen the burden on overcrowded classrooms.
Vouchers have been proven not to work. One can point to some examples here and there, but for the most part they don’t and ultimately just make public schools worst.
When Sunny said, "I disagree with that" Alyssa had a look on her face that said, "surprise!" 😂
Meanwhile, Sunny's children never did public school! hahaha.
I love, love, love Whoopie's sweater, Alyssa's pants and Sunn'y's Orange "jumpsuit" inspired ☕ outfit! ❤❤❤
Fantastic discussion! All sides presented. It's not a simple problem to solve. Great debate while still being respectful. Thank you, women of The View!
nah it was poorly done because it was all whining on their predetermined views... what solutions did they offer?... this one isn't rocket science give a 50% voucher then each side gets something... if a kid goes w voucher then public keeps 50% and other kids staying proportionally get more $. who says no to that deal?
Alyssa Farah Griffin at 1:32-1:36 face expression and reaction did not like that Sunny Hostin disagreed with her 😂🙄🤦🤦♀️🤦♂️
Such vast differences of opinions and each quite valid. Interesting discussion!
Yes it can. Shame, shame Jay-Z. You should know better considering you are from the hood. You're supposed to help your community; not make it worse for them.
I'm not with Alysia on everything that she stated. First off, it's a known fact that it's NOT always the teacher, it's the student that doesn't participate or want to learn. AND, IT ALL STARTS AT HOME. If you don't sit down with your child and discuss their homework NIGHTLY, or teach them the basic skill of paying attention, when they get into school they will take their bad habits and run with them with their peers. PARENTS, you chose to bring the child into this world, they are NOT just a tax right off for you. Pay attention to them, teach them early on about learning skills, and stop making it the responsibility of teachers to do the job you chose in the first place. I'm so tired of people blaming schools when in fact it's the parents responsibility FIRST AND FOREMOST.
Yes, you definitely make a great point here. Parents truly need to step it up. You cannot throw your child into school with zero manners, skills, discipline, reviewing at home, etc. and expect the teacher to do their job as well as parent your child. It throws off the whole balance in the classroom.
Jay Z should stick to music and take a breather because he came from an underprivileged background. Why not do what you can to make the school system better in places like that Go FIRST. If you want to help do something that really helps people who support you. Not all vouchers support a whole private school tuition so who is paying the rest??? Present a complete plan and not just a plan that benefits the well to do
The school system is bad. He wants to help underprivileged kids get into better schools.
Why are people against that?
@@chrisglover9700 the voucher is for private education and the lower class communities can't afford it so why not make the education system better from the bottom up and not just for those who have better economic standings? That's the bottom line. The voucher program isn't for a public school education in a better district, that would be easier on the ear than just a voucher for expensive private school education
@@chrisglover9700 nothing stopping him from funding scholarships or taking advantage of the rather lax regulations in some states and starting his own charter school.
Dang at 4:37 Alyssa Farah Griffin needs to wait and let Sara Haines finish talking 💯
idk where Jay-Z got this idea that private schools are better than public schools. did he go to private school in Brooklyn?
I get where he’s coming from!! Being a teacher myself, public schools can be a nightmare, especially title 1 schools. Some parents don’t want their children exposed to certain things. I’m not sure private schools are better for a child academically. That would vary on a case by case basis. However, you can’t dispute that children are typically more well-behaved in a private school. That’s why so many teachers take a 15k-20k pay cut to teach private when they already know they’re broke to start with!😂😂 Life sucks sometimes!!
They are always better privet anything is always better than public
@@The_king567 Vouchers don't cover the full tuition of private schools. Failing students don't get accepted into private school.
The idea to dismantle Public Education is a right wing ideology. Jay-Z hangs out with a lot of Republican men.
@@zarario4444 they cover more than what public schools cover for good reason
I will always appreciate the education I received at my public school.
Meanwhile Florida expanded their eligibility for vochers and parents can spend the leftover vouchers to fund TV, Disney ticket, and any other item or vacation that can be used for “educational purposes”
No I do not support vocher programs.
Public school were under performing decades before a voucher system was implemented. Tax payers are paying more than we ever have before. So it’s not that we don’t have the funding. It’s that the funding is being distributed according to politicians.
Ana with the HONESTY!!!!
If you have enough money to pay a pricey private school, Sunny, you should know they don’t need vouchers
That's part of her point.
Meanwhilenism: Sunny's children are all in private schools. Hahaha.
Voucher programs are a bait and switch. Giving kids vouchers to go other schools does not mean they're going to get in the schools. A lot of the top schools are rigged. They keep their numbers looking good by only admitting kids who already match the level of the kids already going there. It's just like the Ivies in college. Of course, you're going to be highly ranked if you're highly selective. These rankings organizations sometimes give you more points for having higher requirements. All private schools are not the same. There are some private schools that people look at as one step away from a public school. The rich are already taking up these vouchers, which essentially amounts to a tax break for them, and some of these schools raise their tuition to make it harder for just anyone to attend. I'm willing to bet anyone that's ever worked for a community college, in college admissions, or in any capacity dealing with kids getting started in college; they will tell you that you can't really tell with a lot of students if they went to private or public school except the ones that are drastically behind. Cities across this country have been closing public schools over the past 10-15 years. All kind of funding had been cut. What did you really think was going to happen if you crammed more students into fewer schools with less resources? I know people who've gone to private school where they had to pay for everything. Their parents have to pay for their lunch on top of tuition. Some private schools have closed since the Bush era as well. Also, going to a private school is not going to stop school shootings unless you're school is like a fortress or living inside the walls of a Kingdom
In Texas our government has been pulling funds away from schools and teachers pay.The classrooms are overstuffed and under staffed. This has been a plan for decades. The kids with learning disabilities or non Christians can be kicked out of private school schools. It sounds great but what if a family can’t get a full scholarship , Low wage working parents have to drive the kids with several kids don’t have access to a car or cant get off from work. What about kids all over the city that cant carpool or go to birthday parties or walk home? Where are we going to get the money to fund these for profit private schools? Thats right, our governments.
Will our parents with exclusive private schools and huge tuition allow their children to mingle with the common folks?
There are a lot of questions that need to be answered.
Here's the thing... 1. Private schools have a limited number of openings, and 2. just because it's a private school doesn't mean it's a GOOD private school. Not every child is going to be able to attend a good private school. And there's no guarantee that the voucher in question will be enough to cover the tuition of a good private school. So what happens instead is that a lot of kids who can't afford a good private school STILL can't afford a good private school, and the folks using these vouchers are the ones already sending their kids to private schools. It becomes a coupon for their tuition and does nothing to actually help those kids who need it.
It would be SO MUCH BETTER to instead fund those public schools where it's needed and build up various programs, particularly those assisting kids with special needs, as those are the ones who really tend to end up getting left out.
Sarah really is really sound and smart.
Oregon high school students won't have to prove basic mastery of reading, writing or math to graduate from high school until at least 2029, the state Board of Education decided unanimously
Alyssa, great suggestions for our educators!!!
Short answer, yes.
There are a few issues these students are facing; the first os hinger. As we learned during the pandemic there are too many people in this country who are hungry. You can't learn if you are hungry.
Second, several religious schools closed in this area, i see this as a way to increase funding for them and dissolve the public school system all together thus still not solving the issue of educating the children.
My question is why did Jayz come to philadelphia to push this agenda instead of doing this in new york? Probably he knew that the people of new york wouldn't go fo this mess.
Also, did Jayz go to a public school or private school as a child? As an adult, has he spoken with children that attend public schools and private schools? Just because something is exclusive, doesn't mean it's necessarily better.
Public schools require by law, teacher certification and credential status which are not required (by law) in private schools. Private does not mean better nor does it by itself ensure student success.
Sadly this is a symptom that not all public schools are up to par. Some public schools are great then there are the ones barely holding onto a thread. The amount of Funding is what makes school more successful due to the ability to acquire more resources and teachers not quitting. Why do most affluent public schools do better than poverty public school stricken communities??? Shouldn't they all receive the same amount of Money? Thats the issue!! And at first the voucher I thought was a good idea however I remember that there is a CATCH with the voucher program, sometimes the private school will charge more than the voucher can cover so you are left with more expenses. Shifting to the Privatization of the school sector wont work. Look at college its so expensive even with Financial aid and you still are on the hook for debt and im not even talking about private colleges these are public colleges. America needs to get it together. How we have money for wars and major corporate tax breaks yet there is no money for SCHOOL???? Something that Americans futures depend on. it should be a priority!!! But alas this vicious cycle of congress rhetoric and corporate fat cats that there isnt any money for the American people is just really at this point not shocking. They say the same thing over and over again.
As a teacher, I can tell you parents do not always know what’s best for their kids.
LOL!!! Teacher here Exactly !
As a current 3rd year special education teacher, I don’t see myself in education much longer.
Some things should just not be private because if they are essential for a functional society.
In Alabama we have a public trust that you can put state income tax into. There is a cap on the fund. It’s not taking money from the earmarked education fund but it can be used for poor families’ children who are in failing schools. It’s not a voucher. It is regulated in regards to who gets it. And why. I taught at a school that existed solely to educate those in these failing schools. It’s a non profit that benefits from this fund. But it’s a case by case situation.
We are failing our children. And public school teachers are stretched so thin. Yay for Alyssa about a teacher GI bill. If only.
Thank you, Sunny for telling the truth!
I feel like theres never enough time for anyone to make a full point. Wish we could have longer segments or more succinct points 🤷
Thank you Ana and Alyssa
Sunny Hostin went to a Private school and her children are going to a Private school. What a total Hypocrite. Send them to a Public school and fund them.
Alyssa, I have seen vouchers in place working with Florida schools which turned me 1,000% around - I don’t support them
I know quite a few teachers who have left the profession. The number one reasons for ALL of them was 'safety'. These teachers had been physically attacked both in school and on the grounds, they'd been spat on, had things thrown at them, been sworn at - by both students and parents. The kids had no consequences for their behaviors and were allowed to continue to misbehave in schools while their teachers struggled to figure out how to get through a day safely. While they were all offered raises or bonuses to return to teaching even in different schools, not a single one did because no amount of money was worth the physical and psychological pain they chanced going through again. Until kids are held accountable for their behavior by the school systems AND their parents, we will continue to lose teachers. No amount of money is going to elevate the school experience if violence and disrespect for the teachers is allowed to continue unabated.
This always happens: After the discussion has moved forward between the other panelists, Whoopi always brings it backwards at the end with generalities and vagueries which were eliminated or resolved when the discussion was moving forward.
Just because you are sending you kids to private school , doesn’t mean it’s the best choice for them. Public Schools should be more funded the military and the police departments. If we want to fix a lot of the issues we heave to start with education and infrastructure
lol Sara made the dumbest argument. You are going to let religion stop parents who want their kids in a better school?! There are so many religions at a private school because they are better. You don’t have to be Christian to join. You probably will be by the time you leave if you want but it’s important to study all faiths and you actually get that at the private schools. When they teach world history and of closes if you come from a different background.
I've been working with school boards and administration for over 20 years, Sunny is absolutely right, the best countries and most educated per capita don't have private or charter schools because they make all of them go to public school and all the funding and resources are funneled into one location that is the only way for all kids to do better, we are one country, not caring about the next kid doesn't mean you have done best by your child because murders are usually committed by the kids forgotten in our society 😢
Yes public schools are a nightmare for parents and the learning is limited with all of the children who are not there to literally learn and parents who don't care and just want a babysitter. It's not underfunding it's underperforming and needing discipline
THANK YOU WHOOPI, SARA AND SUNNY
I'm glad to actually see civil discourse on the table where they don't all agree.
So many people haven’t dealt with the voucher system-if you have dealt with it, if you are in education, if you know how the state-level system of education; YOU KNOW that vouchers are damaging.
I will always be 100% against using public money for private schools.
As the daughter of a teacher & with many friends in education Sunny & Sara are 100% correct.
I would like to hear Joy’s opinion on the matter. Too often these conversations happen without teacher voice.
I’ve taught in both public and private and just like everything else. There are pros and cons, and there are similarities and differences and how the students are taught and how the culture and climate is ran. I’ve had good and bad experiences in both. However, I support parents, children, and families having a choice. I also agree that those who need help should be able to access it.
My children have been in private schools for most of their schooling and my husband and I chose it for several reasons, one being we are Christians and we were happy to find Christian schools that support our beliefs. Second,our daughter was bullied and started experiencing depression at the tender age of 8. So, we had to do something different and it helped her thrive. So, you have to do what’s best for your family.
I live in Illinois and we don’t have the voucher system but I do believe we should have better support for families who choose outside of the public school system because we are still hard working, tax paying citizens too.
The thing they leave out about private schools is that some of them give really distinct and focused curricula. In my city, charter and private schools are focused on topics like environment, math and science, art, music, etc. I think low-income students should definitely be afforded opportunities to attend these schools.
Fund the public schools! I agree with Sunny!
Anna actually makes sense