That's a funny-looking building. Not immediately obvious that it's an apartment block or offices .. But if that hit hurt, we'll hear Vlad wailing. Sanath, you're a star, love your always-smiley face, thank you for all the heroic support you guys are giving.... And the sponsors. Slava Ukraine! 🙏💙💛🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦❤️
Definitely offices. Well, in West that would be. Most likely in Russia too. Who would like to live expensive block of houses, when Kazan has plenty of private houses too.
@@suchomimus9921 Mistakes do happen. Be interesting to see what may have been on the other side of the bldg along the flight path though flight plan may had changes of direction.
Over 1000km's is a substantive journey for the drone, and with the history of having hit this building previously speaks of a drone of an important mission trajectory for sure. As for us here speculating, I've read below some very intelligent observations regarding this flight path that lend credence to the general flight of it. Bottom line of course is we'll have to wait for further information and/or confirmations of it's target from the Ukrainian is Armed Forces. We'll await your update regarding this drone strike Suchomimus knowing you'll be digging it up for us in your incredible follow ups. Thanks for your reporting, pretty curious about this one. All the best to you, 🇺🇲🇺🇦 Glory to God, Victory for Ukraine, Rise Free Nations!
The building hit is by far the tallest building in the vicinity. It is at least 30 storeys and over 100m tall. When the drones hit the building they were flying straight an level, not trying to dive onto a target. The drones were under control and did not appear to by flying erratically, which would be likely if they were being jammed. I think that the route of the drones was planned to attack another target (possibly to the West) and that the planners did not take into account the clearance required to miss this tower.
If it was some kind of interference, it may have been GPS spoofing vs jamming. With spoofing, the gps would report the same, wrong, thing for both drones, jamming blocks the signal totally, hence the random impacts. Just a theory.
I dont get that because you could just use Galileo instead, the drone is well below the speed limit and even the civilian signal cant be spoofed. It is even resistant to replay attacks, and most cheap receivers do Galileo in addition to GPS and Glonass
@@dzzope It is technically easy to negate. However, you would have to recertify for a Galileo receiver in a commercial aircraft, which gets very expensive and bureaucratic. It is also not 100% clear if the FAA would allow aircraft that relied on a foreign GNSS for operation. Bear in mind that we have inertial navigation systems that would allow you to fly over the Atlantic and be only a few km out when you get to the other side. It's not an issue when air traffic control picks you up on the airport radar and corrects you. However, this is military grade technology and is not allowed in commercial aircraft.
It seems to be one of the tallest and most impressive buildings in Kazan, so why wouldn’t it be used by the military? I can’t find any information on the internet about apartments in this building. My guess is that it is used by the military. Two drones hitting the same spot caused by Russian spoofing is very unlikely. It could be a coordination centre or purchasing department for the military, or a penthouse for a high ranked officer. Ukraine knows way more than we do.
I think it was about a year ago the Ukrainians hit an office building (I forget where). Said they were targeting some sort of weapons research facility going on at that particular floor.
jundging by how they are on assasination spree for past month (civilian programers, generals,..) i wouldnt be surprised if they attacked a civilian building. im flabergasted to see how blind people are to ukranian means of warfare. Russia rockets military targets and energy infrastructure, and Zelensky atacks civilians either by drones or assasination.... Also Zelensky is puting his own soldiers and their familys in jail for being sceptical about war or if they talk about it on private mesaging apps. Hes luting in law to ban orthodox religion. 98% of sodiers capitulate because they dont want to fight when zelensky forces them. This war should have stopped 2 years ago when the little man wanted to surender but Boris said no. Also...why would any importnat military complex be in such a obvious building ;) think about it a bit..... this is residential
Whoever lived in the damaged apartments was wealthy and probably important as going by the reviews on Google maps the building is a prestige development, being the tallest building in the region and apartments having floor areas over 200sqm. It had effective security and it appears that electronic communications were being jammed even 3 years ago. My guess is that Ukraine had some info and used it.
this also could caused by this tower simply to be on the path/trajectory of the drone , they could have programed to fly low but as it happened this thing was simply in the way.
@crxgames Inertial navigation is low accuracy compared to GNSS, and accuracy deteriorates the longer it is relied upon. Should only really be used during periods of LOS from the GNSS constellation, when signal is restored the INS is reset from the new 'known' location. If the drone is being spoofed and doesn't 'know' I would presume that it resolves conflict between the two guidance systems by assuming the sat nav is correct. I could be wrong - I can say with confidence this is how it works for satellites, maybe different for military drones .
0:26 in addition, it took russia an entire year to figure out how to jam excalibur and himars, if the US had been at war with russia instead of ukraine, we would have won that war in about a month at most. They wouldn't have had remotely enough time to figure out how to jam them. Realistically, a conflict lasting 3 years or more is actually a very long time for the standards of warfare in the 20th century and after
In principle it is an apartament building, but it is not unusual in Russia to have "mixed use" skyscrapers, on some floors apartments, offices on others.
One type of GPS spoofing can produce that effect. But I doubt anyone is still using a purely GPS guided drone this far into the war. It could also be bad route planning, or that this is actually the target.
0:26 Russian EW and jamming isn't really that good. Himars and Excalibur were made at a time when the US was fighting jihadists with absolutely zero advanced military capabilities, and the US and Europe had massively underinvested in electronic warfare and jamming for decades. Russia was simply average at it for the time, but were better than the US in the same way that a man having $1 is technically richer than a man with no dollar- they were just caught up to the current times while we were so behind on the times and underdeveloped in EW. once that situation ended in the late 2010s and we woke up, we easily caught up and have currently surpassed russia in EW and jamming.
This strikes me more as GPS "Spoofing" rather than jamming. Jamming simply blocks the GPS signal from being received by the drone. Spoofing overwhelms the GPS signal with a FAKE GPS signal and can be used to give false coordinates to the drone, plane, missile, etc. I find it interesting that (3:40 in the video) the police and a fire truck are already prepositioned on the ground in the video. How did the Fire department and Police know to have the street blocked and the fire equipment on standby there? Seems a bit fishy, I think the Russians directed the drone into the building for the Media to claim Ukraine is attacking civilian targets.
I was going to say that perhaps Ukraine didn't know how high this building is, because it's so much taller than everything else in the town. But, actually, the Google Earth photo shows a shadow that makes that rather obvious. Two questions: Who owns the building? Maybe it's an investment by one of Putin's cronies? Who occupies that particular apartment? Because both drones struck the far side of the building compared to where they probably came from, and that suggests they were trying to hit a specific side of the building: an accidental hit would have been the other side, surely?
@@posmoo9790bot really there is video of a Russian Cruise missile hitting a residential sky scraper in the very early days of the war, that was almost certainly the result of not taking into account the height of the building in the route planning rather than deliberate.
GPS signal can be manipulated through jamming to render a wrong location (displacement) for the receiver, so as far as the drone is concerned it is on track and on target.
There's a big industrial complex on the west of the city so guessing that was the intended target. Labelled as a chemical plant on google maps but looks like munitions manufacture site to me.
@@Thesummerismagic12 If you look at the road and the triangular shaped car park in front of the building, the first video seems to be filmed from the hospital to the south west of the tower block. Thus the drones were flying east to west. edit: labelled hospital on google maps but just a medical centre in a block of flats
@@Is_this_username_uniquethe first picture seems to be taken from the south and the second one from the east, meaning the drones were indeed flying east west. I’ve trying to find the locations on Google Maps but this isn’t easy. Can’t find the structure from the 2nd picture right bottom corner.
Probably a programming error. Gotta look what targets could be on their route. There is actually 6 drones reported that hit the civilian buildings. One in the video: ЖК "Лазурные берега", Советский район. Others are: ЖК "Махэттен" and 4-story house on the улица Клары Цеткин. Those ones hit the rooftops of the building, which is the pattern that we already saw when drones were flying in the vacinity of Moscow in Odintsovo.
No casualties reported, fortunatly. Kazan was already hit in the past to the production plants. Once again, gotta see what could be on the way of the buildings.
Heard that ruzz might jam not transmitting junk coordinates, but to transmit correct ones with raised altitude, so drone/missile would lower it flight pass and probably hit the ground or obstacle. Might be true
If I had to guess, the building wasn't the target. Russians didn't jam their signal and cause it to go off course. The building was just in the path of whatever the target was. ( a gun powder factory if other comments are to be believed? ) It does seem like its the tallest building around so its not unreasonable that URK didn't realize this specially since its 1000km away while probably also trying to fly as low as possible to reduce detection.
I do know some jammers spoof the GPS so the drone thinks it's somewhere else following the correct course but in reality it's 10 miles north or wherever they changed the GPS to.
Or was the building just in the way of a coordinate behind it and the Ukrainians didn’t take into account the building’s height? These drones don’t fly that high, especially on approach to a target.
Russia hasn't used only jamming for ECM - they've used (according to earlier reports) spoofing too: sending 'good' signals with modified data to cause navigation to veer. I don't know if spoofing is well-developed enough for them to send a "let's fly the drone into the big building to stop it" signal. The same error that would cause an attack route to follow a path through a new building (not knowing it's there) is presumably possibly for spoofing, but also spoofing might be "shift everything 10m east per km" which could result in cunning enemy building-dodging navigation ending up inside those same buildings? Reliably-computed spoofing would cause the same veer? Who really knows?
Earlier in the war Ukraine was targeting buildings in Moscow with drones. Russian jammers did stop some drones but they made the drones hit one particular building several times. Probably spoofing GPS to cause the same navigation error each time.
why were multiple emergency vehicles visible in the first video,before the drone hit the building? Or was it the second drone and the interval between the hits was significant enough for emergency services to show up?
Could be multiple, these drones are made cheap so if the GPS is jammed it’s likely they went of path. But when multiple impact the same spot it’s imo more likely that GPS was spoofed and they both got fed the same wrong location data and flew the same wrong path. What also could be possible that during route planning they didn’t check for obstacles the drone could hit mid flight.
It could be the correct coordinates but the operators might not have taken the building into account. Seems more likely given that two drones hit the same spot.
4 seconds in - bottom middle of the video there is 1, possibly 2 "emergency" vehicles with flashing lights. Another seems to join them coming from the direction of the flats. Is this a co-incidence or did the authorites know the drone was going to hit?
either the skyscraper was the actual target of the strike, or instead of just jamming the whole spectrum, russia spoofed the GPS in the later case, there should be civilians complaining about their GPS not working properly. alternatively, someone made a mistake; either when programming the target or the flight path. on a civiliastion wide spectrum, wierd mistakes can happen.
Russia has been able to spoof the GPS coordinates so if both drones has the same coords and they were spoofed with the same change, they will still go to the same spot the wrong one.
@ probablymistaje in the GOS the spoofing such as not knowing the flightpath of the weapon. I suspect however that the attack was deliberate and then there was a target in that part of the building.
@gior987 I'm not sure you spoof into something. I'm not a specialist but afaik GPS spoofing works by a ground station posing as a satellite, sending fake timing signals that throw off the receiver's ability to compute its position. Without the spoofing station knowing the drone's position, heading, speed, etc it'd be nigh impossible to guide it somewhere specific. And when you consider there were two drones that'd be even harder.
Seems that the explosives do not detonate, just the fuel explodes and the pressure breaks other windows? So they must have software that would activate the detonators separately?
And likely not activated yet as intended military target was past that building. Possibly exceptionally tall building the programmers missed while planning the route.
the drone disappears over the top of the building - and then a burst of flames comes from the blackened part of the building below . VERY POOR PHOTOSHOP
Could be that the flight profile didn't account for this specific obstacle, and the drone just hit the tower as it was in the way. Good news if this is it, as it means Russia didn't manage to jam it.
If I remember correctly, Russian EW systems are a joint collaboration by China and Russia. China provides electronics and Russians build it with their timely know-how. Easier to bypass sanctions if the end product is not an overt lethal system.
Um... a look at the surrounding area tells me a thing or two about this building. It's military. There's no significant parking nearby except that lot that looks like it serves the buildings next door. A place of work such as that would have rows of parking for employees and rows for customers, because it's in a retail-fun area There's no other buildings similar to it, no stores or shops: This does not occur. It's not residential, no balconies, no obvious windows to open. My guess is it's a covert signal tower. Camouflage of military installations is something Russia has to work on. Ukraine needs to send bigger drones.
@@dzonikg That's no big city, and there's plenty of space to put in a lot. That building is full of equipment, and not many people. And, twice in the same spot?
on streetview you can see the windows are sometimes open, there is some underground parking and there are food delivery people visible, there is conveniently a drone photosphere nearby where we can see the roof and no radio towers are visible (this photo was before the war however, may have changed) based on the location and the construction company (the company has done several government buildings in this city) i would guess it may be some sort of apartment complex for the politicians/elites of this city (or just wealthy people), as the location is conveniently placed near all the local administrative buildings and the cars visible in the above ground parking lot would be considered above average in Russia
It is definitely theoretically possible to use locally generated GPS signals to mimic the real GPS constellation but deliver locations that are inaccurate in a specific way. It is even theoretically possible to drive a plane using GPS through a small specific place in real time. It is not easy. And, unless this is a Chinese product, I am not sure Russia would have the right hardware to achieve this effect. This is spoofing as opposed to jamming. {^_^}
If the Russian jammers could send different drones off course into hitting the same target, surely they would send them into somewhere like a haystack and not a valuable skyscraper. I think we'll find out that a valuable objective lived there.
If you get the Google pegman out, you can see that there is a kindergarten in the building, probably on the ground floor. I doubt that this building was a deliberate target.
Ruzzia is now using buildings to intercept drones.
Operation Bertramski, ie WW2 Desert Campaign.
Saving million dollar equipment with billion dollar skyscraper.
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That's a funny-looking building. Not immediately obvious that it's an apartment block or offices .. But if that hit hurt, we'll hear Vlad wailing. Sanath, you're a star, love your always-smiley face, thank you for all the heroic support you guys are giving.... And the sponsors. Slava Ukraine! 🙏💙💛🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦❤️
Definitely offices. Well, in West that would be. Most likely in Russia too. Who would like to live expensive block of houses, when Kazan has plenty of private houses too.
Any street view of it?
Poor lighting. It is much clearer on Google Maps street view.
The drones were programmed on that route. Unfortunately that building was in the way. No jamming here.
would it be China I would say they built it after the last maps update
wouldnt ukraine have thought about that though, and programmed them to fly around the big buildings
@@suchomimus9921 Only if they had accurate information. On the over head satellite view it could just look like a low building.
@@suchomimus9921 Mistakes do happen. Be interesting to see what may have been on the other side of the bldg along the flight path though flight plan may had changes of direction.
Headed here now doubt: Voyskovaya Chast' 58661
Войсковая часть 58661
Military base
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Over 1000km's is a substantive journey for the drone, and with the history of having hit this building previously speaks of a drone of an important mission trajectory for sure.
As for us here speculating, I've read below some very intelligent observations regarding this flight path that lend credence to the general flight of it.
Bottom line of course is we'll have to wait for further information and/or confirmations of it's target from the Ukrainian is Armed Forces.
We'll await your update regarding this drone strike Suchomimus knowing you'll be digging it up for us in your incredible follow ups.
Thanks for your reporting, pretty curious about this one. All the best to you,
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The building hit is by far the tallest building in the vicinity. It is at least 30 storeys and over 100m tall. When the drones hit the building they were flying straight an level, not trying to dive onto a target. The drones were under control and did not appear to by flying erratically, which would be likely if they were being jammed.
I think that the route of the drones was planned to attack another target (possibly to the West) and that the planners did not take into account the clearance required to miss this tower.
If it was some kind of interference, it may have been GPS spoofing vs jamming.
With spoofing, the gps would report the same, wrong, thing for both drones, jamming blocks the signal totally, hence the random impacts.
Just a theory.
I dont get that because you could just use Galileo instead, the drone is well below the speed limit and even the civilian signal cant be spoofed. It is even resistant to replay attacks, and most cheap receivers do Galileo in addition to GPS and Glonass
@jonathanbuzzard1376 commercial aircraft suffer spoofing all the time. If it's so easy to negate, why don't they?
@@dzzope It is technically easy to negate. However, you would have to recertify for a Galileo receiver in a commercial aircraft, which gets very expensive and bureaucratic. It is also not 100% clear if the FAA would allow aircraft that relied on a foreign GNSS for operation. Bear in mind that we have inertial navigation systems that would allow you to fly over the Atlantic and be only a few km out when you get to the other side. It's not an issue when air traffic control picks you up on the airport radar and corrects you. However, this is military grade technology and is not allowed in commercial aircraft.
It seems to be one of the tallest and most impressive buildings in Kazan, so why wouldn’t it be used by the military? I can’t find any information on the internet about apartments in this building. My guess is that it is used by the military. Two drones hitting the same spot caused by Russian spoofing is very unlikely.
It could be a coordination centre or purchasing department for the military, or a penthouse for a high ranked officer. Ukraine knows way more than we do.
I think it was about a year ago the Ukrainians hit an office building (I forget where). Said they were targeting some sort of weapons research facility going on at that particular floor.
jundging by how they are on assasination spree for past month (civilian programers, generals,..) i wouldnt be surprised if they attacked a civilian building. im flabergasted to see how blind people are to ukranian means of warfare. Russia rockets military targets and energy infrastructure, and Zelensky atacks civilians either by drones or assasination....
Also Zelensky is puting his own soldiers and their familys in jail for being sceptical about war or if they talk about it on private mesaging apps. Hes luting in law to ban orthodox religion. 98% of sodiers capitulate because they dont want to fight when zelensky forces them. This war should have stopped 2 years ago when the little man wanted to surender but Boris said no.
Also...why would any importnat military complex be in such a obvious building ;) think about it a bit..... this is residential
what matter? it's a damn creditably long strike. 🙂 Слава Україна 🇺🇦 з 🇦🇺
Whoever lived in the damaged apartments was wealthy and probably important as going by the reviews on Google maps the building is a prestige development, being the tallest building in the region and apartments having floor areas over 200sqm. It had effective security and it appears that electronic communications were being jammed even 3 years ago. My guess is that Ukraine had some info and used it.
this also could caused by this tower simply to be on the path/trajectory of the drone , they could have programed to fly low but as it happened this thing was simply in the way.
Locals say they were most likely flying to a gunpowder factory. One of the drones fell 600 meters short of it.
The 1000km plus.....is still good news....plus Phyops...plying on their minds
Another fearless interception by ground based protection systems.
If they're spoofing the GPS rather than just jamming the signal it could perhaps cause multiple drones to deviate in the same way
These also have imu guidance as well so that’s unlikely
@crxgames Inertial navigation is low accuracy compared to GNSS, and accuracy deteriorates the longer it is relied upon. Should only really be used during periods of LOS from the GNSS constellation, when signal is restored the INS is reset from the new 'known' location. If the drone is being spoofed and doesn't 'know' I would presume that it resolves conflict between the two guidance systems by assuming the sat nav is correct. I could be wrong - I can say with confidence this is how it works for satellites, maybe different for military drones .
The building is thought to contain an apartment belonging to Timur Shagivaleev, the CEO of the "Alabuga" Special Economic Zone" Fair target!
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Bashar al Assad's apartment? It was on the 37-floor Azure skies residential tower. Seems there was a total of 8 drones hitting Kazan.
0:26 in addition, it took russia an entire year to figure out how to jam excalibur and himars, if the US had been at war with russia instead of ukraine, we would have won that war in about a month at most. They wouldn't have had remotely enough time to figure out how to jam them. Realistically, a conflict lasting 3 years or more is actually a very long time for the standards of warfare in the 20th century and after
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Bob Marley should enter this talk of jammin'😅
It will worry Russian citizens
Ask the Ukrainians
I’m not one for conspiracy theories,but nothing is too low for Putler
In principle it is an apartament building, but it is not unusual in Russia to have "mixed use" skyscrapers, on some floors apartments, offices on others.
Thanks very much for that Keep well
Well, there was already a hole in the building, looking days or weeks older... so maybe the target was actually the building
Thanks Sucho! Maybe the building was just in the intended flight path. Its height missed by the programmers? Just guessing.
Very interessting. Thank You.
Not a drone, it's a ICBC Inter Continental Ballistic Cesna 😂
One type of GPS spoofing can produce that effect. But I doubt anyone is still using a purely GPS guided drone this far into the war.
It could also be bad route planning, or that this is actually the target.
Its 40 floor residential tower called Azure skies
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Could also be a preset route. Building was in the way maybe..
0:26 Russian EW and jamming isn't really that good. Himars and Excalibur were made at a time when the US was fighting jihadists with absolutely zero advanced military capabilities, and the US and Europe had massively underinvested in electronic warfare and jamming for decades. Russia was simply average at it for the time, but were better than the US in the same way that a man having $1 is technically richer than a man with no dollar- they were just caught up to the current times while we were so behind on the times and underdeveloped in EW. once that situation ended in the late 2010s and we woke up, we easily caught up and have currently surpassed russia in EW and jamming.
It could be GPS spoofing - so both drones think they're somewhere else, but they both see the same alternate reality.
This strikes me more as GPS "Spoofing" rather than jamming. Jamming simply blocks the GPS signal from being received by the drone. Spoofing overwhelms the GPS signal with a FAKE GPS signal and can be used to give false coordinates to the drone, plane, missile, etc. I find it interesting that (3:40 in the video) the police and a fire truck are already prepositioned on the ground in the video. How did the Fire department and Police know to have the street blocked and the fire equipment on standby there? Seems a bit fishy, I think the Russians directed the drone into the building for the Media to claim Ukraine is attacking civilian targets.
I was going to say that perhaps Ukraine didn't know how high this building is, because it's so much taller than everything else in the town. But, actually, the Google Earth photo shows a shadow that makes that rather obvious. Two questions:
Who owns the building? Maybe it's an investment by one of Putin's cronies?
Who occupies that particular apartment? Because both drones struck the far side of the building compared to where they probably came from, and that suggests they were trying to hit a specific side of the building: an accidental hit would have been the other side, surely?
Such - On UA-cam, 'The Sun' posted a video of the strikes on that building. It's apparent that UKR targeted that specific floor of the building.
Doesn’t look like a residential building. My bet is something military or official in there.
It could be jammers, but this may be where some Bolshevik general, or other high ranking official lives.
They were aiming for the 'Aristocrat Billiard Club' a notorious FSB hangout, better luck next time.
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Planner failed to recognize the height of the building on the planned flight path?
franklly that is impossible. like ignoring your waypoint just happens to go through LAX. It was deliberate
@@posmoo9790no it was not. Russia’s own air defense caused it
We don't know that. SBU has taken responsibility for a lot of hits that would be classed as terrorism by any other actor.
@@posmoo9790bot really there is video of a Russian Cruise missile hitting a residential sky scraper in the very early days of the war, that was almost certainly the result of not taking into account the height of the building in the route planning rather than deliberate.
@@alexanderg-p3z Fighting back against an invader is terrorism now?
GPS signal can be manipulated through jamming to render a wrong location (displacement) for the receiver, so as far as the drone is concerned it is on track and on target.
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Too much of a coincidence. Its still a needle in a haystack hitting a building
There's a big industrial complex on the west of the city so guessing that was the intended target. Labelled as a chemical plant on google maps but looks like munitions manufacture site to me.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the drones were flying east. Look at the shape of the non-symmetrical building and compare with Google maps street view.
@@Thesummerismagic12 If you look at the road and the triangular shaped car park in front of the building, the first video seems to be filmed from the hospital to the south west of the tower block. Thus the drones were flying east to west.
edit: labelled hospital on google maps but just a medical centre in a block of flats
@@Is_this_username_uniquethe first picture seems to be taken from the south and the second one from the east, meaning the drones were indeed flying east west. I’ve trying to find the locations on Google Maps but this isn’t easy. Can’t find the structure from the 2nd picture right bottom corner.
Probably a programming error. Gotta look what targets could be on their route.
There is actually 6 drones reported that hit the civilian buildings. One in the video: ЖК "Лазурные берега", Советский район. Others are: ЖК "Махэттен" and 4-story house on the улица Клары Цеткин. Those ones hit the rooftops of the building, which is the pattern that we already saw when drones were flying in the vacinity of Moscow in Odintsovo.
No casualties reported, fortunatly. Kazan was already hit in the past to the production plants. Once again, gotta see what could be on the way of the buildings.
Heard that ruzz might jam not transmitting junk coordinates, but to transmit correct ones with raised altitude, so drone/missile would lower it flight pass and probably hit the ground or obstacle. Might be true
If I had to guess, the building wasn't the target. Russians didn't jam their signal and cause it to go off course. The building was just in the path of whatever the target was. ( a gun powder factory if other comments are to be believed? ) It does seem like its the tallest building around so its not unreasonable that URK didn't realize this specially since its 1000km away while probably also trying to fly as low as possible to reduce detection.
I do know some jammers spoof the GPS so the drone thinks it's somewhere else following the correct course but in reality it's 10 miles north or wherever they changed the GPS to.
someone's penthouse got a shaking
Or was the building just in the way of a coordinate behind it and the Ukrainians didn’t take into account the building’s height? These drones don’t fly that high, especially on approach to a target.
Russia hasn't used only jamming for ECM - they've used (according to earlier reports) spoofing too: sending 'good' signals with modified data to cause navigation to veer. I don't know if spoofing is well-developed enough for them to send a "let's fly the drone into the big building to stop it" signal. The same error that would cause an attack route to follow a path through a new building (not knowing it's there) is presumably possibly for spoofing, but also spoofing might be "shift everything 10m east per km" which could result in cunning enemy building-dodging navigation ending up inside those same buildings? Reliably-computed spoofing would cause the same veer?
Who really knows?
It seems plausible to me that the particular form of jamming was a systematic shift in the GPS system.
maybe it was just flying too low ?
Earlier in the war Ukraine was targeting buildings in Moscow with drones. Russian jammers did stop some drones but they made the drones hit one particular building several times. Probably spoofing GPS to cause the same navigation error each time.
That second drone was flown in by FPV
Unless their new jammers mimic an actual satellite signal, sending out a false GPS satellite location, and always send the same data.
why were multiple emergency vehicles visible in the first video,before the drone hit the building? Or was it the second drone and the interval between the hits was significant enough for emergency services to show up?
Could be multiple, these drones are made cheap so if the GPS is jammed it’s likely they went of path.
But when multiple impact the same spot it’s imo more likely that GPS was spoofed and they both got fed the same wrong location data and flew the same wrong path.
What also could be possible that during route planning they didn’t check for obstacles the drone could hit mid flight.
The building appears to be still under construction. See the sides towards the top.
It could be the correct coordinates but the operators might not have taken the building into account. Seems more likely given that two drones hit the same spot.
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I guess it was rather programmed on the same route and somebody forgot that there is this building in the way
you'd think a camera and basic image AI could line up a building like this from miles away with even crude inertial guidance, making jamming moot
Yes but where are you going to fit the pc with rtx on a drone already optimized for weight and space?
GPS jamming and GPS spoofing are two different things. Russia does both. Spoofing is particularly dangerous to ships and aircraft.
4 seconds in - bottom middle of the video there is 1, possibly 2 "emergency" vehicles with flashing lights. Another seems to join them coming from the direction of the flats. Is this a co-incidence or did the authorites know the drone was going to hit?
either the skyscraper was the actual target of the strike, or instead of just jamming the whole spectrum, russia spoofed the GPS
in the later case, there should be civilians complaining about their GPS not working properly.
alternatively, someone made a mistake; either when programming the target or the flight path. on a civiliastion wide spectrum, wierd mistakes can happen.
Or maybe the building was mistakenly hit because it was in the path of the intended target.
yes. ... Voyskovaya Chast' 58661
Войсковая часть 58661
Military base
Mission planner goofed.
Didn't count for the big-ass building in the way.
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Russia has been able to spoof the GPS coordinates so if both drones has the same coords and they were spoofed with the same change, they will still go to the same spot the wrong one.
Perhaps the GPS map did not include that building and it just happened to be on the programmed flight path.
There’s different types of jamming. Noise German trust interferes and tries to block the signal. Seductive jamming creates a false signal.
but why would you spoof them into a residential building instead of an empty one or a park
@ probablymistaje in the GOS the spoofing such as not knowing the flightpath of the weapon. I suspect however that the attack was deliberate and then there was a target in that part of the building.
Either someone didn't check their intervisibility, or there was GPS spoofing
jammers are very short range, also, they way GPS spoofing works you need to know the drones destination to drive it to the ground.
Probably in the flight path and missed when the drones journey was planned
Probably the risk of low level flight is colliding with obstacles?
I can see GPS spoofing making both drones think that that's the target.
yeah but thy would you spoof enemy drones into civilian residential buildings? doesn't make much sense
@gior987 I'm not sure you spoof into something. I'm not a specialist but afaik GPS spoofing works by a ground station posing as a satellite, sending fake timing signals that throw off the receiver's ability to compute its position. Without the spoofing station knowing the drone's position, heading, speed, etc it'd be nigh impossible to guide it somewhere specific. And when you consider there were two drones that'd be even harder.
Seems that the explosives do not detonate, just the fuel explodes and the pressure breaks other windows? So they must have software that would activate the detonators separately?
And likely not activated yet as intended military target was past that building. Possibly exceptionally tall building the programmers missed while planning the route.
the drone disappears over the top of the building - and then a burst of flames comes from the blackened part of the building below . VERY POOR PHOTOSHOP
Could be that the flight profile didn't account for this specific obstacle, and the drone just hit the tower as it was in the way. Good news if this is it, as it means Russia didn't manage to jam it.
If I remember correctly, Russian EW systems are a joint collaboration by China and Russia. China provides electronics and Russians build it with their timely know-how. Easier to bypass sanctions if the end product is not an overt lethal system.
Um... a look at the surrounding area tells me a thing or two about this building. It's military. There's no significant parking nearby except that lot that looks like it serves the buildings next door. A place of work such as that would have rows of parking for employees and rows for customers, because it's in a retail-fun area There's no other buildings similar to it, no stores or shops: This does not occur. It's not residential, no balconies, no obvious windows to open. My guess is it's a covert signal tower. Camouflage of military installations is something Russia has to work on. Ukraine needs to send bigger drones.
There is like 1000 off similar building in Europe ,parking is underground ,big parking lots inside cities like in USA are here almost no existing .
@@dzonikg That's no big city, and there's plenty of space to put in a lot. That building is full of equipment, and not many people. And, twice in the same spot?
@@chaosopher23 maybe central asian city planning works differently 😁.
Google Street View shows there is underground parking. From the outside, it just looks like a normal office block.
on streetview you can see the windows are sometimes open, there is some underground parking and there are food delivery people visible, there is conveniently a drone photosphere nearby where we can see the roof and no radio towers are visible (this photo was before the war however, may have changed)
based on the location and the construction company (the company has done several government buildings in this city) i would guess it may be some sort of apartment complex for the politicians/elites of this city (or just wealthy people), as the location is conveniently placed near all the local administrative buildings and the cars visible in the above ground parking lot would be considered above average in Russia
It is definitely theoretically possible to use locally generated GPS signals to mimic the real GPS constellation but deliver locations that are inaccurate in a specific way. It is even theoretically possible to drive a plane using GPS through a small specific place in real time. It is not easy. And, unless this is a Chinese product, I am not sure Russia would have the right hardware to achieve this effect. This is spoofing as opposed to jamming.
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Could be GPS spoofing rather than jamming. Or simply good old fashioned human error. Is it odd though that both drones fly the precise same route?
Could it just be, the programmed flight path was to fly low and this was just in the way and on the route to the final target?
Jamming and spoofing are different.
This Russian air defence system is called the S 16stories.
Why? Wrong question.....the right question is, why so long....?
If the Russian jammers could send different drones off course into hitting the same target, surely they would send them into somewhere like a haystack and not a valuable skyscraper.
I think we'll find out that a valuable objective lived there.
Yes, you can re target a drone by sending a false GPS to the drone
If you get the Google pegman out, you can see that there is a kindergarten in the building, probably on the ground floor. I doubt that this building was a deliberate target.
Someone has got an outstanding bill with the tax collector... and settled it.
Die Hard IV vibes anyone?
I wonder if the GPS location was jammed/spoofed and the location hit was what the drones thought was the correct location. Eg GPS+200 seconds north???
Few days time we might hear that an infamous Russian commander is no more?
military tech company offices?
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I don’t think these drones depend on wifi at this distance. I think AI guided.