You guys can't afford your medical bills, You guys need Universal healthcare it's just the richest who doesn't want to spend anything if you have company paid insurance it's garbage and completely comical having delays and rejection for your treatment LMAO
@@captainwolf348Ben supported both the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan but opposes universal healthcare due to the size of the government and its cost, a hypocritical position
It's amazing how individuals who have unlimited access to premium health care are very opinionated and in favor of the abhorrent prices and discrimination by these companies against the poor and those who are chronically sick.
@DaMan-jt6dh 1) even if that was true, that would just show that the chronically sick are left to die in the US 2) genuinely would love a source for a claim like this
@@DaMan-jt6dhI live in one of these "terrible" free healthcare countries. Broke my arm a few years ago. Walked into the hospital, got an X-ray, got a cast put on it, walked out. Got follow up appointments all the same. No fear of payment or contacting insurance companies and rising premiums
But then you wouldnt have a doctor-wife yourself, so you should rather go to Harvard Law school, become an orthodox jew and start commenting on politics.
German doctor here. In our country the cost of healthcare ia heavily regulated. We do have private for profit health insurance companies over here, although they only serve about 10% of the patients, while public not-got-profit companies serve the remaining 90%. Quality of care is exactly the same, but you can get appointments earlier in the private system. Yet even there, the price of your care is regulated in the so called "Gebührenordnung für Ärzte" (fee regulation for physicians). So yeah, it is not a free market. Because unlike with other goods and services, people have no choice over whether they need healthcare or not.
why is it broken? I don`t see that. I am German and would say I have benefitted from it throughout my life tremendously. Actually I had a surgery not too long ago. I chose a specialized hospital, had to wait three weeks only, and I was treated with great care. I just have the regular insurance like 90% of all Germans. In the end I had to pay 10 Euro.
@Bogda Nov He supports taxpayer money to Israel, but not subsidized healthcare to US citizens. He doesn't need to say it explicitly but it's clear that's how he feels.
And people who bring this up still don’t get why he constantly mentions it, it’s not because he is boasting it’s bc he’s standing up for her profession. When the gov is trying to regulate healthcare and it affects people in healthcare that happen to be in your family, you would take it seriously too. Would you not fight for your loved one if a government agency is telling them how much they get paid regardless of how many patients they see? So you think on that.
@@zachtemoro2116 it’s not about seeing his wife, it’s seeing what people in healthcare actually do. So if it helps you then follow a doctor and round with them, whatever helps you have more context 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah Ben is right. The problem in our healthcare system is the tax exemption on employer-provided insurance we have on the IRS books since the 1950s which gave power and rise to the insurance companies. We need to repeal that tax exemption.
Congrats on taking the journey towards truth instead of feel-good sloganeering =) We have to remember basic economics. What is healthcare? It's simply goods and services. It's medical devices, drugs, equipment and hospitals. It's the work of a literal army of doctors, nurses, and other professionals whose time, labor, and expertise is all valuable as a service. There is no "right" to healthcare. That would mean that a poor person could rob a pharmacist of their drugs or enslave (force to work without paying) a doctor. We don't do that because we believe in basic property rights and the right to work for a fair wage. Any time you hear people try and say fixing healthcare (or any large social problem for that matter) is easy or simple, be skeptical of that pitch just like you would a used car salesman.
No one from the right wants to alienate you or make you think your decisions are wrong. We actually respect open opinions, though we may disagree. That is what diversity is. Not skin colour and sexual orientation. I hope you do take the red pill.
As a german, I am always wondering why there a so many discussions about such an easy subject. Our system is way cheaper, than the american, inculdes everyone and is one of the best in the world. America has excellents doctors and hospitals, no doubt, but just for them with money. Here in Germany, health care is a fundamental right. And this has nothing to do with socialism or other ideological stuff, it is just about beeing a civilized nation or not. And I am very thankfull, that I was born here in Germany and not somewhere in the third world like West Virgina.
lol goteem. But seriously, all these people who agree with Ben are just healthy kids. When their bodies fail them and they're in pain, they're going to realize that not viewing healthcare as a right is insensitive.
Is dentistry subject to the same issue? I’ve never had dental insurance. Growing up it was cheaper to pay out of pocket. It makes sense because there’s an upper limit on the services required of a dentist. They’re not treating life threatening ailments, just fixing teeth.
@@fmj9237 Excessive regulation is the reason for the out of control costs in the first place. There's a reason pet care is WAY cheaper for the same procedures, and human healthcare was also much cheaper in the past, at a time when the government definitely wasn't imposing price controls on healthcare. I agree though that what we have is definitely crony capitalism. Which is no good.
Its better when we suffer the consequences of our own bad decisions. Also, having to choose between impoverishing one's family and extending one's life a few months should be a necessary choice.
Also not consuming certain foods that might look healthy at first but contain noxious substances, demand safety against occupational hazards, security in the streets. Also pray really hard that you don't get cancer or any autoimmune disease that pretty much ruin your life regardless of what you do. And not to mention stress, burnout, depression and whatever psychological issues that come with such a life. That is a simple answer, people, and especially people prone to get sick, are anything but easy. I daresay that there's no person who doesn't have an unhealthy stress outlet that they're unwilling to fully let go, no matter the cost.
People confuse rights with needs all too often. Everyone needs food, water, clothing, shelter, etc. but nobody has explicit rights to any of these things because that would mean that either someone would have to work for free to provide it or someone has to be robbed in order to pay for it. Most socialists seem to prefer the latter, but there's numerous historical examples of it devolving into the former.
People who work in the healthcare system are compensated. I have several friends and three immediate family members who work as doctors and nurses for the NHS. They certainly aren't working for free. Also, taxation isn't theft, it's an investment in the infrastructure of the country, which everyone uses. Why is publicly funded healthcare controversial, yet people don't seem to complain about municipal fire departments, or publicly funded road building? Also, I don't hear any conservatives calling to defund the police - another publicly funded service.
@@isabelrodriguez3330 Sorry Izzy, but it appears that your school has given you a skewed version of what Socialism is. Please be advised: Police, Fire Dept, Roads are NOT socialism. Taxing people to take care of people who have the ability to take care of themselves is theft. Sorry that you attended a Leftist indoctrination camp. Maybe start paying attention to what those on the Right are saying, and don't respond with your Leftist religion on auto-parrot-mode.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven Healthcare isn't socialism either. That's my point. Public services are not socialism. Socialism in a Leninist framework would mean that there is no private enterprise in any sector of the economy. Everything would be state-owned. Socialism/communism in a Marxist sense would mean that there would be no state or capital at all. All developed nations have a public healthcare system bar the US, and yet none of them are socialist by either metric. Trying to dismiss my points simply by saying I'm on the left and therefore "brainwashed" isn't a valid argument. Also, I went to a very Conservative school, most of my peers were Tories 😂
@@isabelrodriguez3330 Because the health care system is worth trillions. As a Canadian, we are taxed brutally, and have substandard care. There are 3 things in health care and you can only have 2 of the 3. A Affordable B Quality C Universal. Pick 2
@@isabelrodriguez3330 USA has public healthcare. It is called "Medicare" and "Medicaid". And no one would choose them if they had the choice. They are all huge bureaucracies with so much red-tape and inefficiencies. They waste billions of dollars a year. Given a choice, no one would choose them. Amazingly, which you aren't aware of, you actually WISH the government to oppress certain classes of people based solely on their class. But Brits don't understand it because they have lived it as it should be normal.
In Finland we have public and private healthcare. Works good. When people are in shape, in good health and they dont need to stress about the cost and push insane amounts of money to insurances, it comes back to the goverment because healthy (physical and mental) people can work, produce and live longer. Not to mention the free education. Works in the same way. The way USA works is to make private insurance and healthcare companies super rich. Its going to end, only a matter of time. USA is the one of the best countries, only if you are rich.
@@flowersintherain734 I am in the UK as well, but i am considering to move elsewhere. Society has becone inward looking and intolerant, when the problems are all endogenous
As much as I like Ben's view on a lot of topics, being against free healthcare is insane. American health care prices are completely mental compared to anywhere else in the developed world.
As an European, it is absolutely insane to me that there are Americans who argue against free universal healthcare. There are no influental political parties in european countries that want to disolve our healthcare systems, because we all know that it would be a disaster. Also, this sort of program would actually save money for the average tax payer. America spends the most money per capita on healthcare in the world, 50% more than Germany, 70% more than South Korea, and yet, life expectancy of its citizens is 5 years lower than them. America also has the highest infant mortality out of any wealth country in the world. Why does it compare so poorly with the other wealthy countries, if it spends so much ? Why do European countries spend much less, and get much better results ? Universal healthcare makes everyone more productive, because it relieves them of the burden of worrying about paying medical debts, unnecesserily high costs for life-saving procedures, price gouging etc. A healthy person is in a much better position to be productive, to work, to get an education, to invent. All of these things are a lot harder if you are, for example, a diabetic who has to pay upwards of a hundred dollars for insulin, which you could buy at a fraction of a cost in Canada by the way. In the long run, universal access to healthcare makes everyone richer, because it makes people more productive. Oh, but pay not mind to this, these are just "EVIL SOCIALIST POLICIES". But really, i should repeat my previous point: No one in Europe (or anywhere in the developed world for that matter...) argues in favor of disbanding our healthcare system, because we all know that it works, and we have the USA to serve as a warning of how it can be if we abandon it. Seriously, the most widespread type of fundraiser on GoFundMe are people who need money for chemotherapy. People in the US have to literally beg for their life. Solve this problem, for the love of God !
As an European myself I can prove you that it doesn't work unless by 'working' you mean absolutely limited healthcare with huge delays and thousands of people who die because they are scheduled for a basic surgery months, sometimes years after they are diagnosed. I am not sure in what leftist bubble you are living or what lies have been fed to you but look around you and do some research. Not to mention the huge, ridiculous taxes we have to pay for this 'free' healthcare. I prefer to pay less tax and have the money to chose where I want to be treated then being extorted for every single cent for a 'free' failing healthcare system
@@alexandram1680 the system works, of course there are delays and problems for less important problems but if you get seriously sick you become a priority and get to all kinds of surgeries and treatments very fast and free. Heart transplants in my country have average waiting time of 1 month and you get it for free, now imagine if you need a new heart in US, good bye to your life savings
Dude who's been rich all his life is telling middle and lower classes what policies support, how to live their lives and comparing healthcare with a luxury car? Middle class defending such dude? Stockholm syndrome is fucking hilarious.
Strange. In canada in summer of 2020 Canada flattened the curve. They have universal healthcare. Meanwhile in privatized healthcare america not for one minute did they flatten their curve. Hmm... If you trust people whos only motive is PROFIT as MUCH profit as possible, with your healthcare? Youre a useful idiot. To pharma. The LARGEST lobbyist group in america. Sucker.
@@cyber151 profits mean that people willingly paid them more than the cost for it. The profit incentivises companies to improve their services and lower costs. If you give the task of healthcare to a government monopoly that doesnt look for profit, there is no reason for them to make it better. I live in Canada and I wouldn't say our government handled covid well, and even if they did, you can't relate healthcare to the number of covid infections.
C in the U.K vaccine distribution has been taken over by the N.H.S board and the army, no politicians or private companies involved. And your reasoning that govt has no reason to improve their services if they are not making money off it is frankly stupid, you do realise that there are consequences called elections in democratic countries. It is electorial suicide to screw around with the NHS in the UK, if any politician said 'sorry we gave you shitty conditions but thats because we wanted to make a profit' they wouldnt last a second.
@@cyber151 I don’t trust a big government or big pharma. The problem was that Covid had become so politicized. Did Canadian pharmaceutical companies produce any vaccines?
@@docgonzales maybe not in the distribution of the vaccine but in the production of the vaccine was multiple private companies. Trump proved, through Operation Warp Speed, by getting rid of the bureaucracy in government what could be accomplished in the private sector.
@@brianbuckman6908 LOL. So many assumptions here. Praying you don’t get some horrible disease or are mangled in a car wreck for which you’d have to pay through the nose. But, as you say, I’m sure you have $100,000 lying around, just in case. As everyone else does.
@@brianbuckman6908 Do you not know that people can be denied coverage for life threatening issues even with insurance? Something which happens consistently.
@@brianbuckman6908 i think so, in italy you pay an average of 1800€/year for the healthcare system, i can't see why should be better pay 10k insurance to have the same result.
@@brianbuckman6908 Review what I said. You can have insurance already. You can need it. And they can still deny coverage. Or cover it partially and you’ll still have to pay thousands.
Dudemon I do, it was a joke, but maybe Shapiro can explain why Israel has healthcare, a big ass wall, citizenship by DNA TEST, and yet his people always push for open borders in our country?
I loved this. I've been saying this forever that no other business hides the cost of services like Healthcare. No other business gets by with billing after the fact without even an estimate.
It is reprehensible that customer is not allowed to know price before getting a procedure. It's always a surprise to get an unexpected bill long after service performed. If you have money to pay extra charges, no problem but if not totally apprised of cost, customer can end up with unaffordable balance for services.
Republicans are so blinded about this topic by the 'red scare' they actively fight against their own good. Healthcare is not a political issue anywhere else in the world, right wing left wing don't care in Australia or Europe. Here is Australia we don't have medical bankruptcy nor do any first world countries.
"Healthcare is not a right" Forgive me, but who are you to decide whether it is people's right or not ?! On what planet do these people live exaclty ?!?
At least he admitted his ignorance. We all have one opinion or another based on ignorance, but all too often, we see people refuse to admit it and spout bull when they're called out on it
@@hebercluff1665 Well, yes...but he still asserted his point, insisting that while he didn't know information vital to his case, he still firmly believes it...the mark of a woefully immature mind.
@@jackdaw6359 Oh yeah do you mean they are offering free surgeries while over half the population is starving? Or was it on the Apartheid era where people where being plowed down by machine guns for simply wanting to vote? 🤔 I cant really tell but either way “what a joke”
The point Ben is missing: American Bankruptcy... 65% of Bankruptcy is due to medical bills. It costs the state and govt a lot more than subsidizing a policy. But he made a great point. We should let the Actuaries and Accountants fight it out: not politicians
The state doesn't subsidize insurance policies. And Ben's point is that medical care would be less expensive if there was a true free market, like with the lasik example. The high regulation and high subsidization is what drives up medical bills. There would be fewer medical bankruptcies if insurance companies weren't the middleman between the provider and the patient.
@@panda5122 awe how cute; you think I dont understand what Ben is saying; yet, I have a CA State Insurance license (OI26671) a Series 7 and 63, plus an MBA from UCR You even think you know why most people file bankruptcy...because of insurance companies??? Insurance companies make money by investing Customer premiums, not by charging more for a medical procedure: thats the hospital and Doctors...and they inflate prices because there is no free market on healthcare, not insurance companies. I agree that differentiating healthcare as a human right, opposed to a commodity, is the root cause of the problem. Most people file bankruptcy because they get sick and they're unable to work and make money. If they don't have a supplemental insurance policy too, they don't have money coming in...They're lucky if they get workers comp, but cancer isn't covered by employers or the state. Disability Social Security takes over then, but only if you can't perform the same job... Lose an arm/so d i Lose an eye/get back to work you can still see, kinda(says the state) And if you have ever heard about the Affordable Care Act, well then, you've heard of Govt Subsided Healthcare...
@@panda5122 the healthcare industry hasn't been a truly free market in at least 50 years, arguably much longer, which is the root of the problem "government helping".
It's true in healthcare and all businesses, we need competition to keep rates decent. That's why every time government provides us with a service, rather than it being supplied through private business it's done poorly and costs much more.
So why is ut that health care in the USA the most expensive in the world and produces the lowest quality outcomes in the developed world? The USA compared to all other developed countries has the shortest life expectancy and the highest infant and maternal mortality.
@@archiebald4717 ben already answered that, its because there is no competition, and when Obama implemented single payer healthcare it only made things worse, healthcare prices increased 10 folds
@@archiebald4717 Because they’re different countries. You think the only difference between the US and all other developed countries is the healthcare system? The US is hugely different culturally and ethnically, as is any country from another (that’s why we have countries, not some John Lennon wet dream global commune). You’re ignoring these differences. Diet plays a much larger role in public health than healthcare. That’s just one factor. There are thousands more.
@@coolbrounderscore So are you saying that all other developed countries are the same and that is why theur health care outcomes are better than the USA? Ridiculous. Every country is different. The problem in the USA is that the electorate, or the elected, does not want a solution.
@@archiebald4717 I think you know that's obviously not what I'm saying. It's such a leap to go from what I said to what you concluded that I have to think you did it intentionally to caricature my point. The issue is that the two proposed solutions are contradictory to one another, and it's a very complex issue. It's hard to get either one through because it will piss off more than half the country to do so.
Had such a long drawn out and heated debate with a right wing American about our health care. All I can say I feel fortunate to be the uk. The service is good and the staff are great.
@@arieswoman824 Americans are lied to. They do have a type of social healthcare over there in the form of charity run hospitals/medical centres. They're so bad that you sometimes cue up all day and still don't get seen to. They must assume the NHS is like that.
Got seriously ill, got an ambulance to a hospital, did all the tests for excruciating 8 hours, blood tests, CT scans, everything, consulted 7 doctors, had prescriptions written to me. Bought all of the pills. Got better. Everything including the ambulance, all the tests, all doctor visits all the medications cost me about 60$ in total, I don’t have no insurance and pay about 200$ in taxes at the most each month. I figured if I was from the states, all of that would cost me about the same cost as a house is worth here (and I live in Europe, not some African village), maybe a bit of a smaller house, if I had insurance, which itself costs money. Centralised healthcare is a good thing, saves many lives without leaving people broke. How you go about it is what causes problems. Perhaps the states is too big of a country for a centralised system to work, or the people are too greedy. My friend broke a leg when visiting the states and the medical bills cost the same as the whole trip to the states for him and his family. I find it truly shocking that is the case in supposedly the greatest country on earth.
Something that requires someone else's services can't be a right unfortunately. That is not to say that people don't NEED healthcare but we can't force someone to give it to us. People conflate rights and needs all the time but they are different concepts for a reason.
@@cesarromo987 It isn't against the law for a public education or getting a lawyer. Get it straight. It also isn't against the law to get health insurance. It SHOULD be against the law to force other people to pay for your lazy ass who can get your own.
@@cesarromo987 No, something the public pays for as a whole isn't nearly as good as something you pay for yourself. 1. Harvard, private, gives a better education than George Mason U, publicly funded 2. F. Lee Bailey, private attorney for OJ Simpson, gives better counsel than a public defender which is publicly funded. You choose what you can pay for. Maybe not fair but it is there.
@@cesarromo987 That's exactly true. You don't have a RIGHT to use another person. Don't confuse this for me arguing that public education and legal services aren't GOOD things, but they aren't rights.
Counter arguments: 1. When you need healthcare, its usually an emergency, you do not have the luxury of choice and shopping. Emergency healthcare is price insensitive and non-competitive marketplace. 2. Medicare or single payers buy the cheapest healthcare packages because they have deep pocket and scale to demand service at lower price points. No private insurer can do that. 3. Insurance companies do risk pooling, i.e. collect money from a lot of healthy people and pay a fraction of that money in treatment of fewer people. How is it different from government tax funded healthcare? In fact the tax funding healthcare will be 15-20% cheaper as there will be no profiteering (net profit component of P&L statement). May be Ben Shapiro should show the comparison of price points between Medicare and private insurance when he claims competition will improve healthcare cost. Healthcare is an emergency commodity, it is price inelastic.
Ah yes, because privatisation has always worked so well. That's why the British railway system is completely fine and why European healthcare is very low quality. Oh wait...
straw man, privatization has worked, it’s the way you privatize that matters. Japanese rail system is privatized and is arguably the best in the world, the way british rail was privatized hinders market success. Not all european healthcare is single payer, Germany has a public private multi system whcih I’m for, Switzerland and Netherlands have privatized which have been success.
@@Ace-uc5cj I Live in Germany and I am not for changing that system much. However, healthcare is treated as a right there as if you don't choose the private option you always fall into the public one.
@@vermas4654 im not arguing for changing the system, I'm juts showing examples where privatization of some parts has worked. And german system is what america should implement, public private.
In a first world country healthcare should be a right because it benefits society as a whole. There are many things out of our control such as birth family, air quality of where we live and genetic predisposition. So everyone should have an equal chance at life, whether rich or poor. The matter of the fact is free markets will not bring the price of certain things enough to make it affordable to most people e.g cancer treatment. A mix of private healthcare subsidized by the government would be beneficial
This guy is always in the money , clear in thinking and explanation for anybody to understand , politicians should listen more to guys like him with common sense and clear thinking .
Politicians arent idiots. Well most of them arent and know these things. They know the right answers but it doesnt help them if you can make a country with few or no problems.
Lasik is even cheaper than Ben mentioned. Yes it was $20,000 per eye at some point, then dropped to around $4000 per eye but now it's like only a few hundred dollars.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 right, but imagine if they decided to go the other way with it and call it essential. The price would be less competitive and astronomical. An example I'm thinking of is braces for teeth. Depending on the situation, they can be covered by insurance, but it can also just be a cosmetic thing insurance won't cover. Now there is invisiline for people who want to straighten their teeth as an alternative that is less intrusive and less expensive. More competition equates to lower cost. When you regulate the hell out of something and eliminate competition your asking for prices to soar.
@Ali Chaudhry you are right. You need to be wary if something is too low cost (if it's too good to be true, it likely isn't safe). I think the guy after you commented correctly that for lasik it depends on the severity of your eyes. But, it also depends on the risk you're willing to take. Someone might want the best of the best physician to work on their eyes, which is fair, your eyes are super important, but if they could have gotten it done cheaper with the same quality, that's their loss. If enough people take the cheaper option and it turns out to be safe, then you can probably look at the reviews and determine it's safe. You don't need to be the first person to try the cheaper option, there will likely be someone who will try it before you.
Do you consider food to be a right? What about shelter? These are all things many people do rely on other people to have. Unless you yourself grow all of your own food and built your own house, in which case I'll eat my hat
@Samuel Gonzalez do you believe everything in your life comes completely from your own work? Because otherwise you're suggesting no one has a right to anything
@@seamusosullivan9105 I believe the original poster meant that making something a right demands that another person provide it, not simply that another person be involved in making it. In other words, a restaurant makes and sells food, but you do not have a right to their food. The concept you're discussing here is positive versus negative rights. Negative rights impose no duty or obligation on anyone else and are the sort guaranteed in the U.S. Bill of Rights. In other words, you have the right to speak freely, but nobody is required to listen to you or believe what you say. There is a right to a free press, but nobody has to buy the newspapers. And so forth. A positive right is one that demands the participation of someone else. A right to food requires that another person grow, cook, and distribute the food so that you might eat it. A right to health care demands that doctors, nurses, drug companies, and all of the other individuals and organizations involved work whether or not they are compensated. They might be paid, but typically at a rate that is set by a third party which may or may not be adequate to them, but they cannot refuse to work because the consumer has the right to demand their labor.
You have a right to get food water and shelter. You don't have the right to get it for free. You can whine about your right to food water and shelter until you die of starvation, nothing is given to you, you have to work for it. Instead of working to provide your own, now you use money from wages. The difference is that back in the day, if someone didn't want to work they just died and quit dragging down their community. Now they run the government.
In the former Representative Republic, now oligarchy, the USA sure. So if you cant afford your 2 to 4x more expensive drug mark up, and you need that drug to live, like say insulin, you have the right to die. But in a country with better priorities where tax paying citizens are valued, and they get healthcare for their tax dollars via a universal healthcare system, everyone gets healthcare, and drug prices are 2 to 4x cheaper. In america healthcare is a for profit, as much profit as possible, business. Like a tv store. The largest lobbyist group in washington is big pharma, and thats why america doesnt have universal healthcare. Chump.
@@cyber151 America makes most of the drugs. They charge for the enormous expense to research and manufacture their drug to US citizens because they know that insurance companies will pick up the bill. Then the exact same drug/pill goes to another country and they charge fractions of what they charged US citizens. Please do not conflate drug prices and healthcare costs. They are not the same thing. Ask a Canadian how much they love their free health care before you start saying how good it is! You know, do some actual research instead of spewing out baseless opinions! But you are correct about lobbyist, they are the root of many evils in this country. A good comparison would be gasoline prices in Mexico. Pemex is run by the government, there is no competition at all so they charge whatever they want. Their gas is far more expensive than in America. Competition in a free market is far superior to single provider with government regulations.
As a Canadian (who's actually been through the healthcare system, type 1 diabetes and Lyme disease) Ben and Charlie Kirk are completely right on this topic of free market. Our healthcare is ok for emergencies like he was stating but here's the thing. We pay average of 30 to 40 percent tax depending on your income cause it's progressive tax so why bother make more money when the government will take more of it away and you would keep more by making less money. Here's what happens. Average Canadian is healthy for 60 years then say they get cancer. O well you get to wait 8 months for surgery (probably get worse or die in that period) that you've been paying the last 60 years of your life in tax money that you haven't needed to use until now. Then we pay out of pocket to go to states or south America for our care lol. Also when you are giving government money to set prices and wages for healthcare non of it is incentivized to go towards better treatment or cures because they just mark up all the prices for current treatments that "do the job well enough"
@SSj Crono who you talking to? Read the post above by Big Shoots11!! Do you want a horrible health care system just to make it free? Employer doesnt offer insurance or dont have employer? Isnt that what Obamacare is for?
@SSj Crono everybody wants things free. But they just have no clue the enormous cost they must pay to make it "free". Healthcare is "free" in some countries BUT they pay 15% more taxes. DONT MISS THAT! It is NOT free because they PAID for it with TAXES. They only difference is that they paid for a much more shitty healthcare syatem than the 1 in the US!! Now ive put the cookies on the bottom shelf for yall.
In regards to the cost of an Xray, Ben left out a huge factor that most don't talk about. Being competitive in a market allows for choice in price and quality. If someone wants an Xray, there could be 2 companies next to each other with identical machines. One might charge $100 for a Xray and the other might charge $2,000. However- while there's no upfront price transparency there is also even less transparency on quality of care. Insurance literally sees charges vary this widely and the patient has no idea there could be a less expensive and higher quality option.
‘You need full free-market competition for the healthcare business to work’ Here’s how free-market competition works where I live (the U.K.): the NHS puts tenders out for nationwide products such as drugs or medical equipment. These tenders are worth millions, even BILLIONS of £££. So companies like GSK, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer etc. all absolutely fall over themselves to get these contracts. Because of economy of scale, it ends up costing individual Brits much less than having every hospital and every doctor have their own procurement services to procure relatively small numbers of products. Surely a capitalist like Ben can appreciate the big big bucks available for his beloved profit-seeking pharma companies? Surely he can understand that since the NHS is publicly funded, the ministry of health won’t tolerate price hiking pharma bro scumbags like Martin Shkreli who put their personal wealth ahead of people’s health? That sounds like a logical approach even for a capitalist, and a logical approach for anyone with a shred of morality. Nobody outside of America uses the term ‘socialized healthcare’. It’s just called healthcare.
The tenders are only for common drugs. The corporations will take cut at winning these businesses and then make up for the shortfall by charging extra to Americans. In short, Americans are in some way heavily subsidizing other countries' healthcare systems. Don't worry though, the gravy train ain't lasting forever. Enjoy your free lunch while it's there.
You sound funny most of your medical progression comes from the US and many of the faults in the healthcare system doesn’t make up for the costs. As the cost it’s self is high just because your aren’t paying the entire doesn’t change the fact that the cost is high because if you broke it down between individuals many would use more or less than other why would one be paying high taxes to not utilize a system which is why people in socialized healthcare countries have people over use the system. Also just because people who SOCIALIZE HEALTHCARE systems want to avoid the stigma of what they actually did and no right mind economist would ever say “socialized medicine is more effective” when the UK is d stoned to collapse once it can’t price hike the people anymore while your complaining about companies trying to make by getting as many people as possible to buy their stuff at LOW PRICES. Why do people think their local Walmart is that much different in strategy than a pharmaceutical company. Companies like government contracts because they give them a lot of money govenrment has deep pockets compared to the public. That allow many of these companies to have huge amount of equivalent buyers in a place that will over pay for anything they want because these people in government don’t know what things costs. Keep your socialism to yourself.
@@trevon_thedragon4034 I will keep my socialised healthcare thank you. And tomorrow if there is blood in my urine, or I develop a nasty cough, or I have a seizure, or I’m in a car accident, at least I won’t have to worry about the fine print of my health insurance, on top of the terror of cancer, epilepsy, and broken bones. Sweet dreams.
@Glasstable2011 What you're describing is a monopsony. Seeing as the NHS is more of less the sole purchaser of medical equipment in the UK they are able to get it at a massive discount becausd for vendors there is no alternative. But the problem is this applies to labour too. Wonder why we have an enormous hole in our workforce, it takes hours to be seen in A+E, weeks to see a GP and months or even years to see a specialist? Increasingly no one wants to work for a wage that does not represent the level of skill and expertise they have and there is no free-marketism to incentivise paying a competitive salary. Nurses going on strike, paramedics and junior doctors will likely soon follow. Access to healthcare in the UK is ranked as one of the worst in the developed world, even more so than the US (see recent article in the financial times).
You gotta appreciate this ,he is talking this narrative openly,while others push it under disguise that universal Healthcare is too expensive. It is not. It simply a philosophical choice.
Private system works for those who can afford it. Those who can't die or got without. The private system cost more because different companies doing the same job so job duplicating the work. So a national health service has one provider one bill centre lower costs. Open to everyone so everyone gets care. It is not a rich people's services.
You can live without a armchair but if you have been stabbed and are bleeding bad you can't without help. There are alternatives to buying stuff like a chair or food but with your health sometimes there is no choice...and one says "Too bad for you if you are poor"
He literally said it was a bad example and then brought up a different one and his argument isn’t solely based on that example but in the fact that the solution to the cost of healthcare isn’t making it free by taxing the living hell out of the high income population but to stop regulating it and putting America’s healthcare into the free market so that through competition the prices go down because yes, with high competition you are forced to find a way to make your product either better or cheaper or both, otherwise you go bankrupt. Therefore, if America’s health sector started competing in the free market you would find yourself cheaper stuff...that would come close to an actual solution to it instead of creating three or more problems by trying to socialize it
im as conservative as you get and healthcare IS a RIGHT in 100s of countries.. just like water is a human right worldwide..since the dawn oif man water has been a human right.. the good Samaritan proves healthcare is a GOD required right
How can you compare a situation where people might DIE? I am againts Sanders free healthcare plan, but I think that healthcare is a RIGHT of every human being. Healthcare doesn't only apply to the rich 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 every human needs healthcare as a right. But people with much money can buy sorts of furniture, and that is a PRIVILIGE. Got that? By the way last year there's a case where a child of a mother DIED because he didn't get a treatment because he didn't pay. How would u answer that 🙄
And it's not BEN'S money to argue he wants US taxpayer money to Murder more children's in Palestine rather to provide free healthcare to the US citizens... And why should he care his wife is a doctor.. Zionist Ben shapiro🤡
America (the USA) has the following: Socialised defence force (army, navy, airforce) Socialised national guard Socialised coast guard Socialised roads & highways Socialised railways Socialised bridges Socialised libraries Socialised cemeteries Socialised fire departments Socialised national parks & rangers Socialised police forces Socialised education Now is the time to add: Socialised medicine
Absolutely right that there is a black market for healthcare in other countries. I work for a company that legitimately provides a highly specialized service to the majority of the medical tourism industry, but I will not share what need or service we fulfill so that I cannot be fired. :)
The great divide between Left and Right in America rests on assumptions of what freedom means. To conservatives, freedom means 'freedom from', and in particular, freedom from government intrusion into one's life. Which is why the Bill of Rights has so many 'Government shall not...' To liberals, freedom means 'freedom to' as in, freedom does not mean much if you cannot exercise those freedom, and by that, freedom in general. Saying you have the freedom to medical care or education, if you can afford them, and then you can't...means in the real world, those freedoms do not exist for you. For the average American family to afford health care or higher education all on their own, or even to buy a house out of their own resources, means the family would by necessity live at best, as part of the lower class as so many other things that prop up their middle class lifestyle would have to be forsworn. Is that the best America can do? Shapiro obviously thinks so.
Healthcare in most countries, including Canada, is a right because you cannot be refused coverage. I'm not willing to get into an argument about relative comparisons, but I will note that no other country argues and fights over their system as much as America and there's a bunch of people getting very rich on people's health
Growing up in the UK we've had the NHS which is paid for by taxes and is not free. I've always had great experiences with the NHS. We also have private insurance for those that want it. Other European countries have a mixture of Insurance and healthcare paid for by taxes. I think the USA is the only country in the west that doesn't have some kind of universal healthcare. I always find it amusing that whenever universal healthcare is brought up people talk about the evils of socialism. By the way Ben Shapiro is a millionaire so doesn't really have to worry about healthcare. US healthcare it turns out is way more expensive than a universal healthcare system.
Well not likely.. If u say it is right to have healthcare, do u think there will be ppl who give you the free while working 24 hours a day... It is not like food and water that will be considered as right.. It has a situation.. Just like police.. We don't need to go to police all the time, but getting service from them in needy place is essential. Same as healthcare if it is provided free, do u think we will get thise services or anyone will be ready to give us that. It can be given cheap but not free.
@@tingle2323 "You, know what's funny? Is that people like Ben Shapiro, and the, like these hardcore conservative guys paint themselves as people that have a great, deep, abiding pride in this country, but they're willing to allow us to be the laughing stock of the world when it comes to our people dying of preventable illness, our charging of people's routine healthcare needs. The rest of the first world is laughing at us, Scotty. They're laughing at this fucking exp... exactly why wouldn't they? Where's your pride, Ben? Do you want America to be the place where... the shithole place where people die of gum disease? 'Cause they can't get fucking dental work done. Is that what you're waving the flag for here, on your fucking stupid Daily Wire show? A festering lower class that dies of preventable illness? While rich boys like you excoriate the virtues of fucking paying less and less taxes? Is that, is that what you're proud of? Why the flag if that's what you're flying it for? What's to be proud of in that?" - Paul Parkey
The analogy I always use for countering the argument that something as important as healthcare needs government intervention is food (somewhat in line with the bread analogy from Ben). We trust the free private market with food. Literally the most critical thing in our lives. In fact, the only reason society gets away with not having a free market in healthcare is that it's just not quite critical enough for society to collapse if it's not amazingly run.
There is some disconnect between arguing for more competition to drive down costs and then bemoaning that there is insufficient incentive for surgeons in highly socialized systems. To create enough supply of the latter it must inherently become pricier. I do appreciate the economic logic he is trying to convey by refusing to call it a right, but sick and injured people need care regardless of their ability to pay and their sheer existence on the human plane should mean they receive it, without question, delay, or diminished quality. I’m completely onboard with as many free market solutions as you want to suggest, with the caveat that anyone who cannot afford comprehensive healthcare is nonetheless provisioned. I firmly believe in equality of HEALTH outcomes, or at least the requisite and unrelenting effort to approach it.
Live in Canada, I am not denying everything Ben is saying but let me add some other factors. One of the reasons we have wait times is that everyone is covered. You dont not go to a doctor because of money . A homeless person with a health card gets the same access I do Like Ben said allot of people use the emergency room in the States as their primary care provider. This is the most expensive way to provide care. Second , yes people go to the States for health care , rarely . Only the rich can go other than , sometimes the provincial government will send you , why ? We are a country of 36 million not 360 million is is simply cheaper to send people for health care for more obscure procedures. Yes health care may be a commodity, but like eating it's not optional. When talking to Americans about this , the argument I get well your taxes are higher this is true. However , everyone pays into it on some level. We have a value added tax added on to most purchases . So a poor person buying things still pays a tax. Americans generally get it through an employer, so part of your compensation is in paying for health care. Call it a tax , or pay it out of your compensation. You are still paying . In the American system the insured , pay a large chunk for the uninsured. This is the least " conservative " way to provide health care. Look the Canadian system is not perfect . However it is rare that anyone is financially ruined because of a health care issues.
Same here in the UK. Canada's decision to 'help junkies' (as somebody referred to human beings as in the comments here) is cost effective, in that drug related crime as a result decreases. Anybody who wants healthcare to be considered a luxury should not complain when those more fortunate are being kidnapped and held for ransom, because a guy's been made redundant from work and his child or spouse is diagnosed with cancer. Why on earth would anybody want to live by the laws of the jungle rather than pay taxes? Incomprehensible.
@@flowersintherain734 as I said it is tax by another name . Capitalism is great but when it comes to my health I need to be covered regardless of wealth
This topic is so complex man. So many different factors with so many different pros and cons its gets so messy. It's all up to the moral standards of the individual and what that person values most in making a judgement. I see really good arguments from both sides.
He literally just quoted the number one problem about healthcare in the US, that it’s “a commodity.” In essence, healthcare in the US is just grander scheme of business and capitalism, not operated on the actual moral principles of healthcare. Your doctors in America don’t care if you’re sick or dying, all they’re looking for is the profits. Man, I’m telling you, as an American, I rather die from an accident than being treated at a hospital. One would think health insurance takes care of it, but it doesn’t. Insurance covers only about half of the enormous bill.
I think what Ben is misunderstanding is it should be a right. Taxpayers fund the government, the government decides what to do with the money. It should be the people that decide, and the people want to use it for health care.
@Hunter44 44hunter don't act like America is broke. The largest GDP on the planet and the largest military budget are not obtained by being poor. Decades of constant indoctrination that "taxes are socialism, profit is all you need in life" has left Americans terrified of public services. You seem to have no problem with public roads, schools, law enforcement, or the fucking military, so why are you so scared of public healthcare? And the imaginary dystopia society that would create with the "massive" cost is INSTANTLY debunked by looking at other countries
@@justbecause7402 Which other countries are you referring to? And don’t tell me any of the Scandinavian countries which are all around 10 million people and a homogenous society. You can’t compare that to a 330 million person society especially when a quarter of those people have figured out that they don’t have to work and can live off the system. And it’s getting worse every day pretty soon there will be more welfare people then there are workers and you wonder why we are becoming a Third World country. And how about all the illegals that were leading in every day that will be taking a lot more than they will be contributing for years. Our government waste so much of our hard earned tax dollars that I don’t think anyone wants to funnel more of their money to the government. Name me a few businesses that have to make a profit that aren’t run better than a government controlled entity. Just keep printing more and more money like Biden and his handlers think we should do. When this catches up with us it’s going to be devastating.
I live in Canada . Its nice to know if I get cancer ,I won't go broke fighting it ,or told go home and did cause your poor ! Also where is this black market he is talking about ????
People health is NOT a commodity. France's health care is government controlled, it covers everyone, is very inexpensive and everyone is happy with it. It does work.
Am getting my heart surgery in Germany because just putting in the time to do all the work up in the US costs an enormous sum of money that after the surgery if I survive it would be a debt like no other. It would be worth than buying a house. This guy didn’t suffer or understands how hard it is to go out there and earn a dollar.
@@martin22336 he does understand He's just a manipulative rat who thinks talking fast is gonna cover him I have never heard someone claim people travel to America for health care.ever.
I don’t agree with Ben on a lot of social issues, however I deeply respect his economic understanding and agree with many of his points regarding the free market
I would consider myself right these days but I have no problem with socialised healthcare. The NHS is not perfect at all but I just can’t imagine not having it.
The great thing about the NHS workers is unlike American health care workers the doctors and nurses in the NHS are willing to get maybe mid wage but they enjoy helping people. Ben Shapiro talks about incentive but why would anyone become a doctor if the only thing on there mind is money, also if I ever go to America and go to hospital I don’t want a doctor who is more interested in my wallet especially if it’s my life on line.
As someone living in the uk I can definitely tell you that there isn’t a black market for healthcare. You either get it free (where you have less options and often long wait times) or you pay for private care ( more options, shorter waits and usually, but not always, better quality care). Nobody goes to dodgy Dave from down the pub for their kidney transplant.
well Aran, i'll have to correct a couple of things: Healthcare in UK (NHS) is not free, it's paid out of tax (national insurrance) that is deducted from everyones salary. It is free at the point of use, you don't get billed when you go to the doctor, hospital etc All emergeny/ critical care is provided by NHS. It works despite political interference, by those who see it as a way to make $£. No one would entertain a US system for a milli second.
Yes of course… why would there be black market for healthcare lol? Shapiro is outta his mind, healthcare is not a leisure or hobby, it is a necessity that you only pays when you need it. It’s not drugs or guns where if you restrict them, people will still demand for it which creates black market. But that’s not how healthcare works.
Yes of course… why would there be black market for healthcare lol? Shapiro is outta his mind, healthcare is not a leisure or hobby, it is a necessity that you only pays when you need it. It’s not drugs or guns where if you restrict them, people will still demand for it which creates black market. But that’s not how healthcare works.
wrong. you think people are going to work for free? do you think the government uses money wisely? if either of those are yes, i dont know how you could honestly believe that
abortion is wrong and evil!!! but got a good healthcare mix system (public & private) to the people should be one of the goals of every legal government...in this case is not about right but about logic....health is so relevant like as well as having access to a good aqueduct with a efficient sewage system and in the same way that the state has adequate legal control to have air that is as free as possible from pollution and bad odors & better sanitary disposal of all types of waste and garbage in ever little town or citie... ...
Sick in Norway. A month ago I fell at my house, couldn't get back up, so an ambulance came to pick me up. I had broken my back. I was taken to the emergency room, where I later received a bill of *420 NOK $42. I was then taken to a hospital where I was admitted for 7 days, four meals a day and many examinations. Cost NOK 0.00. Since I still couldn't get out of bed without help. I was sent to a nursing home by ambulance, it was my third trip in total and it cost NOK 0.00. In the nursing home I had a big room with a TV, plus a big bathroom, four meals a day, with free medicine I need. I was there for 3 weeks Here I paid NOK 185 $18.5 per day x 21 = *NOK 3885 $388. * We have this rule in Norway. In a health year (January 1 to December 31), if we have health expenses over NOK 3,040 $304, we get that money back, and don't have to pay more for the rest of the year. My health expenses in December will not be registered until January. So my health expenses in January will be this. Emergency room NOK 420 Nursing home NOK 3,885 = NOK 4305 - Deductible NOK 3,040 Paid too much NOK 1265 $126.5 which will automatically appear in my account in 2-3 days, and I have no health expenses for the rest of the year. I have diabetes 2, so the next time I go to the pharmacy, I won't pay anything for my meds. Aids. Rollator for outdoor use, rollator for indoor use, changing the toilet lid, so I sit higher and with support on each side., costs NOK 0.00 Security alarm NOK 260 per month $26 Taxes. I pay 24% in income tax. Rates for VAT VAT is paid on the sale of most goods and services. Certain industries and areas have their own rates for value added tax. General rate 25% Food items (food and drink) 15% Passenger transport, cinema tickets, room hire 12% PS. If you have any questions, I will answer them.
Its actually shocking that Americans would rather let fellow citizens suffer than pay another 1% in taxes. The selfishness and lack of empathy is astounding
@@justbecause7402Especially since we Americans have zero issues with footing the bill for corporate subsidies, endless military misadventures, bailouts to trillion dollar corporations, and luxuries for politicians. But whenever there's talks of making sure grandma and toddlers getting free healthcare, we riot. I hate it here.
Well, my American friends, when your life expectancy as a country sits at number 40 and ALL the countries above you have universal health care, it SHOULD speak volumes on the state of your health care system.
@@georgelonghurst2672 Healthcare is a commodity because it’s a service that requires the skills of other people directly and your own personal health isn’t a right or a commodity. Now you explain why you think healthcare/healthcare is a right?😂
@@LoverBoyWalker wow... so why are roads not a commodity ? why is the servial service not a commodity ....why is it a right to have a lawyyer if you can not afford one ? these by your definition are a commodity ?
Medicare and Medicaid screwed the whole market and made it expensive and Obamacare made it worse. Medicare like Social Security should have been in the hands of every taxpayer. Instead of taking the money out of our paychecks, we should have been the ones who get to decide how much money we should donate to our Medicare and Social Security and to what type of investment, it might be bonds, mutual funds, stocks, savings account with high interest and whatever and our Social Security number does not connect to our financial account.
Regardless of how the US healthcare system for most of us, as it is, is explained, it could be so much better. All that world-class top notch medical care, if I needed it, would render me penniless and homeless, even with what passes for medical insurance. Forget about dental insurance. As a senior citizen, I already know that if I become expensively ill, I will not allow my family to go bankrupt to try and get medical care for me. I will simply go untreated until I die. I believe this outcome is what our country truly considers is in its best interests. Retired now, worked full time for 45 years straight, including 4 years of military service. This country, all its politicians and corporations, have no real use for people like me anymore, regardless of all the speeches and programs that point to how valuable we supposedly are. Life here was mostly good. Grateful for what it was. I'll leave it at that.
Healthcare should be a basic right just like the use of road, or having an education, all these are necesities that facilitate the existence of an enabling environment.
I am from Chile, South America, and here we have the same problem, only maxified since the Goverment subsidizes almost everything. Basically everything subsidized by the Goverment is free, but low quality, which immediately affects the market, causing the private sector to have the opportunity to offer a good quality service, but charging what they want (high prices). Here, the formula to become a millionaire is not a secret: you simply have to offer any service that the Goverment offers for free (but low quality) but offering top quality instead, in order to charge top prices...
Hay competencia dentro de los precios altos haciéndolo más accesible para aquellos con posibilidades de pagar una cantidad razonable a diferencia de un sistema podrido con ganas de lucrar y verte morir, en el cual te endeudas de por vida o empeoras hasta morir antes de tener una cita o examen.
@@edithsmom6140 Very shortly, everyone must have a health insurance coverage. Most people are enrolled in the state-sponsored system. The state system is affordable to everyone (the premium is a certain percentage of one's salary, deducted automatically), and it covers most "essentials" with very affordable co-pay. However, if you want to (and can afford it), you can get a private cover - either as a supplementary cover in addition to the state system (to cover "gaps"), or you can even completely opt out of the state system and enroll in a full private cover. As a result, no one goes bankrupt (or has to sell their home) because of medical bills. Financial constraints are never an issue when getting necessary care. But still, anyone who dislikes the state system for any reason can turn to the market and get a private cover. In this sense, Germany offers the best of both approaches (i.e. socialized system vs. free market). And as to the incentives, no problem there, either - Germany is attractive for doctors from all neighboring countries.
@@josefhlavac4237 All I'm saying is socialized medicine is never going to be "fair." Some group will alwats pay, and some group won't. That is a commodity, not a God given right. The founders of the United States knew first had of "socialism" because the lived it under British rule. They succintly boiled down our "rights." Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How about more people pursue payjng for their own healthcare?!?
@@edithsmom6140 This depends on your definition of "fair". Is it fair, for instance, that someone develops a costly-to-treat medical condition due to their genetic traits, i.e. through no fault of their own, and gets stuck with the bill, while someone else does not? In Europe, we generally think that it is not fair, so we tried to do something about it and came up with universal healthcare. Moreover, there is no such thing as "God given rights". Any rights - including the right to live or the right to affordable healthcare - exist if and only if the society in question recognizes them and upholds them. Not too long ago, slavery was widespread in the US. Slaves had no right to liberty because the American society at that time did not recognize and uphold such a right.
@@josefhlavac4237 The founders and most Americans do believe that the highest authority IS God, not the state. By your definition, the state said slavery was correct so it was correct. No. Just because a government deems some practice allowable, i.e. abortion, it is not necessarily morally right. Slavery and abortion are perfect examples. The august, eternal Godhead is the final authority whether any state agrees or not.
A weapon is a good, therefore you can own and use it yourself. Healthcare is a service provided by another person, you can’t own the person’s labor, nor should you.
I disagree. Healthcare is heavily regulated due to its important nature, a low quality chair may make you uncomfortable, but a unregulated bad quality X-ray will cost you your life, the food industry is also heavily, heavily regulated but competition is still present, not to even mention that regulations where put in place AFTER healthcare became predatory. The reason a market doesn't exist for healthcare is because the safety, complexity, and costs are way to high for a startup in a garage, it's very nature is monopolistic so the only way going forward is to regulate what we can, and profit margins shouldn't be 3000% on a life saving drug. As for emergencies, you don't really get to choose which emergency surgery company does your work do you? You don't get to choose which ambulance or hospital treats you, and even if you may get healthcare, it will drive you into debt.
@Roll Over No, the problem isn't govt lobby or congress, the problem is big monopolies charging fōck all prices on stuff, medicine goes from 15$ to 500$ because profits, ofcourse we need government intervention, businesses don't care about your health, they exist for the sole purpose of making money or they wouldn't have taken on the risk and time. Society is vigilant and has finally fought up, now we're looking for a solution to the sheetmess. Healthcare is a right according to the UN, but America gives no eagle stools.
@@fissionplane32 Getting healthcare isn't against the law. Forcing me to pay for yours when you are capable should be against the law though. I don't owe you anything.
American conservatives when you say you should pay taxes for police: Yeah of course, you need the police to protect everyone, not just the rich. American conservatives when you say you should pay taxes for fire department: Yeah of course, you need to prevent fires in all neighbourhoods, not just the rich ones. American conservatives when you say you should pay taxes for healthcare: BuT tHaT wOuLd NeVeR wOrK
you missed the point. Ben is not saying the current health care system is good. He's simply saying the way to solve it is not by government intervention and government programs. He's providing an alternate solution, which actually makes sense. It'll be more easier for America to increase competition in healthcare rather than cracking down on thousands of companies that already exist. It's just such an insane change and will probably start with terrible economic consequences. Imagine you increase those thousands to hundreds of thousands. Every x-ray you do is being competed by thousands of companies that are all trying to provide the best service to the consumer. This way the incentive to become a doctor stays, supply increases and price reduces significantly all while boosting the economy. I do think it will be really difficult to achieve such a strong free-market system in healthcare though, but if we can reach this goal, the US will be able to improve its healthcare tremendously.
Health Care is not a right, but a commodity. So should be drinking water & such. W. price evaluation, I can choose if I'd would rather die o. live w. crippling debt for a long time. Thank you for those wise words Ben.
When I phoned my cardiologist to talk about an appointment, and I stated that I was temporarily without insurance, I got hung up on. Healthcare IS a right . . . for the rich . . . not the poor.
Every Brit I’ve talked to is a fan of the NHS yet American paleocons talk about it like it’s the devil. No, it’s not perfect, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Universal healthcare is cheaper. I cant understand why the average us citizen will gladly pay private insurance that cost twice as much. Less taxes will just increase the prices
"healthcare is not a right, but the simultaneous invasion of two countries is a national duty!"
Big Ben
You guys can't afford your medical bills, You guys need Universal healthcare it's just the richest who doesn't want to spend anything if you have company paid insurance it's garbage and completely comical having delays and rejection for your treatment LMAO
Huh?
@@captainwolf348Ben supported both the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan but opposes universal healthcare due to the size of the government and its cost, a hypocritical position
@@ravenmusic6392 da fuq does that have to do with healthcare
@@ravenmusic6392 thanks for your understanding. The hypocrisy of this character is beyond understanding.
It's amazing how individuals who have unlimited access to premium health care are very opinionated and in favor of the abhorrent prices and discrimination by these companies against the poor and those who are chronically sick.
The majority of the chronically sick are in countries with "free healthcare" and are not being treated. Social programs causes the most poverty.
@DaMan-jt6dh
1) even if that was true, that would just show that the chronically sick are left to die in the US
2) genuinely would love a source for a claim like this
You should seriously compare the human lifespan of nordic countries or European countries with US.@@DaMan-jt6dh
@@DaMan-jt6dhstill better than the US lol
@@DaMan-jt6dhI live in one of these "terrible" free healthcare countries. Broke my arm a few years ago. Walked into the hospital, got an X-ray, got a cast put on it, walked out. Got follow up appointments all the same. No fear of payment or contacting insurance companies and rising premiums
If I had a penny for every time ben shapiro said his wife is a doctor, I could afford to go to medical school.
But then you wouldnt have a doctor-wife yourself, so you should rather go to Harvard Law school, become an orthodox jew and start commenting on politics.
Jealous much?
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@@VeryProfessionalGamer yeah that's smart
If I had a wife that's a doctor I would too
German healthcare is kinda broken - but American healthcare seems to be almost non-existent as I see it...
I've heard it said that really there is no such thing as healthcare when it comes to the US. All there is is a *health industry* and that's it.
@@michaelregis1015 great comment!! 🙏🏻
German doctor here. In our country the cost of healthcare ia heavily regulated. We do have private for profit health insurance companies over here, although they only serve about 10% of the patients, while public not-got-profit companies serve the remaining 90%. Quality of care is exactly the same, but you can get appointments earlier in the private system. Yet even there, the price of your care is regulated in the so called "Gebührenordnung für Ärzte" (fee regulation for physicians).
So yeah, it is not a free market. Because unlike with other goods and services, people have no choice over whether they need healthcare or not.
why is it broken? I don`t see that. I am German and would say I have benefitted from it throughout my life tremendously. Actually I had a surgery not too long ago. I chose a specialized hospital, had to wait three weeks only, and I was treated with great care. I just have the regular insurance like 90% of all Germans. In the end I had to pay 10 Euro.
“Healthcare is not a right, but forcing America to give money to Israel is a right” - Ben Shapiro
oy vey antisemite!
Healthcare loots americans, but he is not worried about it, your finances die if you don't have insurance.
It's a deadly thing.
Typical jew
@Bogda Nov He supports taxpayer money to Israel, but not subsidized healthcare to US citizens. He doesn't need to say it explicitly but it's clear that's how he feels.
@@bogdanov2395 hello? any response?
Never forget that Ben got a 10 MILLION USD bond when he turned 18.
“My wife is a doctor and I am very invested in this topic”
This is true because he likes saying it at least once a day
And people who bring this up still don’t get why he constantly mentions it, it’s not because he is boasting it’s bc he’s standing up for her profession. When the gov is trying to regulate healthcare and it affects people in healthcare that happen to be in your family, you would take it seriously too. Would you not fight for your loved one if a government agency is telling them how much they get paid regardless of how many patients they see? So you think on that.
@@heinzyketchupy4175 bruh its a joke
@@zachtemoro2116 now you have context when you make that joke lol
@@heinzyketchupy4175 ... I know the context. Bro are you high? Do you need to see Shapiro’s wife dude?
@@zachtemoro2116 it’s not about seeing his wife, it’s seeing what people in healthcare actually do. So if it helps you then follow a doctor and round with them, whatever helps you have more context 🤷🏻♂️
I NEVER thought of it this way. It makes so much sense. I am still detoxing from the toxic Left. 🥴
Join the right, take the red pill, feel the based.
Yeah Ben is right. The problem in our healthcare system is the tax exemption on employer-provided insurance we have on the IRS books since the 1950s which gave power and rise to the insurance companies. We need to repeal that tax exemption.
Further, if you want _less_ of something, you tax it. Leftists want ever more taxes on wealth. Socialism: Let's All Starve Together!
Congrats on taking the journey towards truth instead of feel-good sloganeering =)
We have to remember basic economics. What is healthcare? It's simply goods and services. It's medical devices, drugs, equipment and hospitals. It's the work of a literal army of doctors, nurses, and other professionals whose time, labor, and expertise is all valuable as a service. There is no "right" to healthcare. That would mean that a poor person could rob a pharmacist of their drugs or enslave (force to work without paying) a doctor. We don't do that because we believe in basic property rights and the right to work for a fair wage.
Any time you hear people try and say fixing healthcare (or any large social problem for that matter) is easy or simple, be skeptical of that pitch just like you would a used car salesman.
No one from the right wants to alienate you or make you think your decisions are wrong. We actually respect open opinions, though we may disagree. That is what diversity is. Not skin colour and sexual orientation. I hope you do take the red pill.
As a german, I am always wondering why there a so many discussions about such an easy subject. Our system is way cheaper, than the american, inculdes everyone and is one of the best in the world. America has excellents doctors and hospitals, no doubt, but just for them with money. Here in Germany, health care is a fundamental right. And this has nothing to do with socialism or other ideological stuff, it is just about beeing a civilized nation or not. And I am very thankfull, that I was born here in Germany and not somewhere in the third world like West Virgina.
lol goteem. But seriously, all these people who agree with Ben are just healthy kids. When their bodies fail them and they're in pain, they're going to realize that not viewing healthcare as a right is insensitive.
Why do people take Ben Shapiro seriously?
@@nikhilalbert3084 why would anyone take you seriously?
@@WHALEx3 you are incorrect. My brother is 67 and far from being young and painless and wants nothing to do with Healthcare for all.
@@adambrickell6425 lol good for him
Sadly, I know quite a few people that went to see dentists in Mexico, because they are much cheaper, and apparently do good work
yup vice has a whole story on it
Got my braces in mexico from a doc who was educated at UW. about 1/3 the price. admittedly the nurses who worked their were really bad at their job.
We live in Spain. Our US pals ALWAYS get dental work done when they come in the WInter. Costs a 10th of US and is same if not better quality.
Is dentistry subject to the same issue? I’ve never had dental insurance. Growing up it was cheaper to pay out of pocket. It makes sense because there’s an upper limit on the services required of a dentist. They’re not treating life threatening ailments, just fixing teeth.
@@coolbrounderscore Actually problems with teeth can deal to life threatening ailments
Anyone can say no to Universal Healthcare until they're staring at a $16,000 bill for a CT scan and an xray...
16,000 is crazy
Changing who's paying the bill isn't controlling costs....
@@EssenceofPureFlavor I’m insured. Thank god.
@@EssenceofPureFlavor if you wanna talk about controlling costs, then the gov should impose limits. America's a prime example of crony capitalism
@@fmj9237 Excessive regulation is the reason for the out of control costs in the first place. There's a reason pet care is WAY cheaper for the same procedures, and human healthcare was also much cheaper in the past, at a time when the government definitely wasn't imposing price controls on healthcare. I agree though that what we have is definitely crony capitalism. Which is no good.
If you had a right to healthcare than you’d also be obligated to keep yourself healthy. No smoking. No drinking. No drugs. No junk food etc. No fat.
Its better when we suffer the consequences of our own bad decisions. Also, having to choose between impoverishing one's family and extending one's life a few months should be a necessary choice.
True. And then your health becomes everyone else's business. What you eat, drink, smoke, how much you sleep and exercise is everyone else's business.
Also not consuming certain foods that might look healthy at first but contain noxious substances, demand safety against occupational hazards, security in the streets. Also pray really hard that you don't get cancer or any autoimmune disease that pretty much ruin your life regardless of what you do. And not to mention stress, burnout, depression and whatever psychological issues that come with such a life.
That is a simple answer, people, and especially people prone to get sick, are anything but easy. I daresay that there's no person who doesn't have an unhealthy stress outlet that they're unwilling to fully let go, no matter the cost.
What about kids who get cancer, or are born with terminal illness?
And most importantly No mask
People confuse rights with needs all too often. Everyone needs food, water, clothing, shelter, etc. but nobody has explicit rights to any of these things because that would mean that either someone would have to work for free to provide it or someone has to be robbed in order to pay for it. Most socialists seem to prefer the latter, but there's numerous historical examples of it devolving into the former.
People who work in the healthcare system are compensated. I have several friends and three immediate family members who work as doctors and nurses for the NHS. They certainly aren't working for free.
Also, taxation isn't theft, it's an investment in the infrastructure of the country, which everyone uses.
Why is publicly funded healthcare controversial, yet people don't seem to complain about municipal fire departments, or publicly funded road building? Also, I don't hear any conservatives calling to defund the police - another publicly funded service.
@@isabelrodriguez3330 Sorry Izzy, but it appears that your school has given you a skewed version of what Socialism is.
Please be advised: Police, Fire Dept, Roads are NOT socialism.
Taxing people to take care of people who have the ability to take care of themselves is theft.
Sorry that you attended a Leftist indoctrination camp. Maybe start paying attention to what those on the Right are saying, and don't respond with your Leftist religion on auto-parrot-mode.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven Healthcare isn't socialism either. That's my point. Public services are not socialism.
Socialism in a Leninist framework would mean that there is no private enterprise in any sector of the economy. Everything would be state-owned. Socialism/communism in a Marxist sense would mean that there would be no state or capital at all. All developed nations have a public healthcare system bar the US, and yet none of them are socialist by either metric.
Trying to dismiss my points simply by saying I'm on the left and therefore "brainwashed" isn't a valid argument. Also, I went to a very Conservative school, most of my peers were Tories 😂
@@isabelrodriguez3330 Because the health care system is worth trillions. As a Canadian, we are taxed brutally, and have substandard care. There are 3 things in health care and you can only have 2 of the 3.
A Affordable
B Quality
C Universal.
Pick 2
@@isabelrodriguez3330 USA has public healthcare. It is called "Medicare" and "Medicaid".
And no one would choose them if they had the choice. They are all huge bureaucracies with so much red-tape and inefficiencies. They waste billions of dollars a year.
Given a choice, no one would choose them.
Amazingly, which you aren't aware of, you actually WISH the government to oppress certain classes of people based solely on their class. But Brits don't understand it because they have lived it as it should be normal.
In Finland we have public and private healthcare. Works good. When people are in shape, in good health and they dont need to stress about the cost and push insane amounts of money to insurances, it comes back to the goverment because healthy (physical and mental) people can work, produce and live longer. Not to mention the free education. Works in the same way. The way USA works is to make private insurance and healthcare companies super rich. Its going to end, only a matter of time. USA is the one of the best countries, only if you are rich.
Thank god there is someone intelligent
@@giani1680 Majority of those from Nordic countries are.
@@flowersintherain734 i am from Southern Europe, but i live in tge North, and i can only say that you're totally right
@@giani1680 I'm from the UK, and having lived in Denmark for a while a few years ago, things are so much better in that part of the world.
@@flowersintherain734 I am in the UK as well, but i am considering to move elsewhere. Society has becone inward looking and intolerant, when the problems are all endogenous
As much as I like Ben's view on a lot of topics, being against free healthcare is insane. American health care prices are completely mental compared to anywhere else in the developed world.
fax bro, we are the only developed country to not have free healthcare
I agree with him a lot, but not on this.
i’m not paying for you and everyone else’s healthcare sorry i’m just paying for my own
@@riglancer5473in other countries it’s technically not free they pay for it with taxes
@@youraveragetanker1745 well shit it might as well be free, we spend more than any other country and still have the worst health outcomes by far
As an European, it is absolutely insane to me that there are Americans who argue against free universal healthcare. There are no influental political parties in european countries that want to disolve our healthcare systems, because we all know that it would be a disaster.
Also, this sort of program would actually save money for the average tax payer. America spends the most money per capita on healthcare in the world, 50% more than Germany, 70% more than South Korea, and yet, life expectancy of its citizens is 5 years lower than them.
America also has the highest infant mortality out of any wealth country in the world. Why does it compare so poorly with the other wealthy countries, if it spends so much ? Why do European countries spend much less, and get much better results ?
Universal healthcare makes everyone more productive, because it relieves them of the burden of worrying about paying medical debts, unnecesserily high costs for life-saving procedures, price gouging etc. A healthy person is in a much better position to be productive, to work, to get an education, to invent. All of these things are a lot harder if you are, for example, a diabetic who has to pay upwards of a hundred dollars for insulin, which you could buy at a fraction of a cost in Canada by the way. In the long run, universal access to healthcare makes everyone richer, because it makes people more productive.
Oh, but pay not mind to this, these are just "EVIL SOCIALIST POLICIES". But really, i should repeat my previous point: No one in Europe (or anywhere in the developed world for that matter...) argues in favor of disbanding our healthcare system, because we all know that it works, and we have the USA to serve as a warning of how it can be if we abandon it. Seriously, the most widespread type of fundraiser on GoFundMe are people who need money for chemotherapy. People in the US have to literally beg for their life. Solve this problem, for the love of God !
As an European myself I can prove you that it doesn't work unless by 'working' you mean absolutely limited healthcare with huge delays and thousands of people who die because they are scheduled for a basic surgery months, sometimes years after they are diagnosed. I am not sure in what leftist bubble you are living or what lies have been fed to you but look around you and do some research. Not to mention the huge, ridiculous taxes we have to pay for this 'free' healthcare. I prefer to pay less tax and have the money to chose where I want to be treated then being extorted for every single cent for a 'free' failing healthcare system
@@alexandram1680 fully agree
@@alexandram1680 Do you believe that American model would work better?
@@alexandram1680 I assure you if you experience american healthcare you will hate it more than what you have
@@alexandram1680 the system works, of course there are delays and problems for less important problems but if you get seriously sick you become a priority and get to all kinds of surgeries and treatments very fast and free. Heart transplants in my country have average waiting time of 1 month and you get it for free, now imagine if you need a new heart in US, good bye to your life savings
Dude who's been rich all his life is telling middle and lower classes what policies support, how to live their lives and comparing healthcare with a luxury car? Middle class defending such dude? Stockholm syndrome is fucking hilarious.
My brain: 50 mph
Ben’s brain: 782 mph
Ben’s tongue: 1,000 mph
People thought I talked fast, and I do. But not as fast as this guy.
@@AndySaenz I can talk faster than Ben, it just won't make any sense!
@@zacharyparis no different from Shapiro then.
@@petewalsh4844 Your lack of comprehension does nothing to invalidate the truths that Ben offer. It simple exposes your room to grow intellectually.
@@bradchristy8429 It's Ok. I comprehend the crap Ben chats, just a pity that so many gullible fools fall for his shit.
If you feel the government handled Covid well, feel free to hand them your healthcare.
Strange. In canada in summer of 2020 Canada flattened the curve. They have universal healthcare. Meanwhile in privatized healthcare america not for one minute did they flatten their curve. Hmm... If you trust people whos only motive is PROFIT as MUCH profit as possible, with your healthcare? Youre a useful idiot. To pharma. The LARGEST lobbyist group in america.
Sucker.
@@cyber151 profits mean that people willingly paid them more than the cost for it. The profit incentivises companies to improve their services and lower costs. If you give the task of healthcare to a government monopoly that doesnt look for profit, there is no reason for them to make it better. I live in Canada and I wouldn't say our government handled covid well, and even if they did, you can't relate healthcare to the number of covid infections.
C in the U.K vaccine distribution has been taken over by the N.H.S board and the army, no politicians or private companies involved. And your reasoning that govt has no reason to improve their services if they are not making money off it is frankly stupid, you do realise that there are consequences called elections in democratic countries. It is electorial suicide to screw around with the NHS in the UK, if any politician said 'sorry we gave you shitty conditions but thats because we wanted to make a profit' they wouldnt last a second.
@@cyber151 I don’t trust a big government or big pharma. The problem was that Covid had become so politicized. Did Canadian pharmaceutical companies produce any vaccines?
@@docgonzales maybe not in the distribution of the vaccine but in the production of the vaccine was multiple private companies. Trump proved, through Operation Warp Speed, by getting rid of the bureaucracy in government what could be accomplished in the private sector.
Me, a Canadian that survived cancer while being broke... ''you are wrong on this one''.
@@brianbuckman6908 LOL. So many assumptions here. Praying you don’t get some horrible disease or are mangled in a car wreck for which you’d have to pay through the nose. But, as you say, I’m sure you have $100,000 lying around, just in case. As everyone else does.
@@brianbuckman6908 what a stupid comment
@@brianbuckman6908 Do you not know that people can be denied coverage for life threatening issues even with insurance? Something which happens consistently.
@@brianbuckman6908 i think so, in italy you pay an average of 1800€/year for the healthcare system, i can't see why should be better pay 10k insurance to have the same result.
@@brianbuckman6908 Review what I said. You can have insurance already. You can need it. And they can still deny coverage. Or cover it partially and you’ll still have to pay thousands.
Let’s pay for healthcare with the aid we send to Israel
Or any other THIRD WPRLD COUNTRY.
Ben won’t like that.
You have no clue on the difference in scale of those two things, nor of the long-term costs of your idiotic proposal.
Dudemon I do, it was a joke, but maybe Shapiro can explain why Israel has healthcare, a big ass wall, citizenship by DNA TEST, and yet his people always push for open borders in our country?
@@jakemocci3953 when does ben ever push for open borders?
I loved this. I've been saying this forever that no other business hides the cost of services like Healthcare. No other business gets by with billing after the fact without even an estimate.
It is reprehensible that customer is not allowed to know price before getting a procedure. It's always a surprise to get an unexpected bill long after service performed. If you have money to pay extra charges, no problem but if not totally apprised of cost, customer can end up with unaffordable balance for services.
Republicans are so blinded about this topic by the 'red scare' they actively fight against their own good. Healthcare is not a political issue anywhere else in the world, right wing left wing don't care in Australia or Europe. Here is Australia we don't have medical bankruptcy nor do any first world countries.
Bens wrong about the government not subsidizing bread. The federal government has been subsidizing wheat for years.
The Agricultural Act of 2014 (the Act), also known as the 2014 Farm Bill, was signed by President Obama on February 7, 2014.
"Healthcare is not a right"
Forgive me, but who are you to decide whether it is people's right or not ?! On what planet do these people live exaclty ?!?
The live on the same Planet just in a different tax group
"My wife is a doctor." - Ben Shapiro
i quote that daily
Classic haha, he's very proud of his wife.
Oh really interesting well I heard Ben Shapiro's wife is a doctor
geez, didn’t you know his wife’s a doctor? X)
All the single leftists say this😅🤣
Healthcare and education are matters that cannot be left to profit oriented organizations.
I literally have nightmares about my time in the public education system. I don’t want my health care to be public the same way.
@@fromthecheapseats7126 Public health care has worked very well il most western countries, as long as it's not controlled by private entities.
@@asterixky Public education is shit. How could public health care be any better?
"I don't know enough about the health industry [to answer]" BINGO!
At least he admitted his ignorance. We all have one opinion or another based on ignorance, but all too often, we see people refuse to admit it and spout bull when they're called out on it
@@hebercluff1665 Well, yes...but he still asserted his point, insisting that while he didn't know information vital to his case, he still firmly believes it...the mark of a woefully immature mind.
How much do u pay when you have to go to the doctor?
@@supremesnoke9391 It depends on what I'm there for.
@@DoubleplusUngoodthinkful with free healthcare ypu pay nothing
If its not a right than at least break up the monopoly. Private Healthcare in other countries is affordable.
That's the bigger problem I think. There need to be price controls as well. The fact that there isn't just blows my mind.
I'm so glad I'm not living in a country like America with it's "healthcare" system
We are glad youre not living here either
@@leonardodtc1493 I remember how American missionaries were so thankful for South African healthcare. They had surgeries done here. What a joke.
@@leonardodtc1493 thanks for caring about my well-being. Though I also live in a pretty bad country…
@@jackdaw6359 Oh yeah do you mean they are offering free surgeries while over half the population is starving? Or was it on the Apartheid era where people where being plowed down by machine guns for simply wanting to vote? 🤔 I cant really tell but either way “what a joke”
@@theendlesslights Israel?
Ben Shapiro “DESTROYS” college male who never got to ask a question. Lol
Ben Shapiro “destroys” entitled soy boy healthcare myths that think everyone’s labor belongs to them. Lol
His "question" mischaracterised Ben's position. So Ben clarified his position.
@@aydenlui where did he say that?
@@aydenlui And thinking like that is why the US is the prettiest third world country ;)
@@Broblerone do you know the actual definition of a third world country?
The point Ben is missing: American Bankruptcy...
65% of Bankruptcy is due to medical bills. It costs the state and govt a lot more than subsidizing a policy.
But he made a great point.
We should let the Actuaries and Accountants fight it out: not politicians
The state doesn't subsidize insurance policies. And Ben's point is that medical care would be less expensive if there was a true free market, like with the lasik example. The high regulation and high subsidization is what drives up medical bills. There would be fewer medical bankruptcies if insurance companies weren't the middleman between the provider and the patient.
@@panda5122 awe how cute; you think I dont understand what Ben is saying; yet, I have a CA State Insurance license (OI26671) a Series 7 and 63, plus an MBA from UCR
You even think you know why most people file bankruptcy...because of insurance companies??? Insurance companies make money by investing Customer premiums, not by charging more for a medical procedure: thats the hospital and Doctors...and they inflate prices because there is no free market on healthcare, not insurance companies.
I agree that differentiating healthcare as a human right, opposed to a commodity, is the root cause of the problem.
Most people file bankruptcy because they get sick and they're unable to work and make money. If they don't have a supplemental insurance policy too, they don't have money coming in...They're lucky if they get workers comp, but cancer isn't covered by employers or the state. Disability Social Security takes over then, but only if you can't perform the same job...
Lose an arm/so d i
Lose an eye/get back to work you can still see, kinda(says the state)
And if you have ever heard about the Affordable Care Act, well then, you've heard of Govt Subsided Healthcare...
@@johnnygoesfast9397 You can call me stupid, and I might have things to learn. But calling me stupid doesn't make you smarter.
@@panda5122 dont put words into my mouth now...
If you think that was harsh, then just go melt away lil snowflake.
@@panda5122 the healthcare industry hasn't been a truly free market in at least 50 years, arguably much longer, which is the root of the problem "government helping".
It's true in healthcare and all businesses, we need competition to keep rates decent. That's why every time government provides us with a service, rather than it being supplied through private business it's done poorly and costs much more.
So why is ut that health care in the USA the most expensive in the world and produces the lowest quality outcomes in the developed world? The USA compared to all other developed countries has the shortest life expectancy and the highest infant and maternal mortality.
@@archiebald4717 ben already answered that, its because there is no competition, and when Obama implemented single payer healthcare it only made things worse, healthcare prices increased 10 folds
@@archiebald4717 Because they’re different countries. You think the only difference between the US and all other developed countries is the healthcare system? The US is hugely different culturally and ethnically, as is any country from another (that’s why we have countries, not some John Lennon wet dream global commune). You’re ignoring these differences. Diet plays a much larger role in public health than healthcare. That’s just one factor. There are thousands more.
@@coolbrounderscore So are you saying that all other developed countries are the same and that is why theur health care outcomes are better than the USA? Ridiculous. Every country is different. The problem in the USA is that the electorate, or the elected, does not want a solution.
@@archiebald4717 I think you know that's obviously not what I'm saying. It's such a leap to go from what I said to what you concluded that I have to think you did it intentionally to caricature my point.
The issue is that the two proposed solutions are contradictory to one another, and it's a very complex issue. It's hard to get either one through because it will piss off more than half the country to do so.
I'm from the UK. Here, healthcare is a right. It's paid for through taxes much like the police or fire brigade services. Works pretty well!
Does everyone gets it or only the people who pay taxes and also if everyone gets it is there any distinction in service
@@krishna_o15 everyone gets the same or similar care, regardless of whether you pay tax or not.
There's a black market for urgent care though.
Had such a long drawn out and heated debate with a right wing American about our health care. All I can say I feel fortunate to be the uk. The service is good and the staff are great.
@@arieswoman824 Americans are lied to. They do have a type of social healthcare over there in the form of charity run hospitals/medical centres. They're so bad that you sometimes cue up all day and still don't get seen to. They must assume the NHS is like that.
Got seriously ill, got an ambulance to a hospital, did all the tests for excruciating 8 hours, blood tests, CT scans, everything, consulted 7 doctors, had prescriptions written to me. Bought all of the pills. Got better. Everything including the ambulance, all the tests, all doctor visits all the medications cost me about 60$ in total, I don’t have no insurance and pay about 200$ in taxes at the most each month.
I figured if I was from the states, all of that would cost me about the same cost as a house is worth here (and I live in Europe, not some African village), maybe a bit of a smaller house, if I had insurance, which itself costs money.
Centralised healthcare is a good thing, saves many lives without leaving people broke.
How you go about it is what causes problems. Perhaps the states is too big of a country for a centralised system to work, or the people are too greedy. My friend broke a leg when visiting the states and the medical bills cost the same as the whole trip to the states for him and his family. I find it truly shocking that is the case in supposedly the greatest country on earth.
Something that requires someone else's services can't be a right unfortunately. That is not to say that people don't NEED healthcare but we can't force someone to give it to us. People conflate rights and needs all the time but they are different concepts for a reason.
Yeah I thought that mandating someone’s servitude was called slavery
So no one has the right to public education or right to a lawyer by your logic?
@@cesarromo987 It isn't against the law for a public education or getting a lawyer.
Get it straight.
It also isn't against the law to get health insurance. It SHOULD be against the law to force other people to pay for your lazy ass who can get your own.
@@cesarromo987 No, something the public pays for as a whole isn't nearly as good as something you pay for yourself.
1. Harvard, private, gives a better education than George Mason U, publicly funded
2. F. Lee Bailey, private attorney for OJ Simpson, gives better counsel than a public defender which is publicly funded.
You choose what you can pay for. Maybe not fair but it is there.
@@cesarromo987 That's exactly true. You don't have a RIGHT to use another person. Don't confuse this for me arguing that public education and legal services aren't GOOD things, but they aren't rights.
💙♥️💜 Thank you for keeping the discussion going 💛💚🧡
Counter arguments:
1. When you need healthcare, its usually an emergency, you do not have the luxury of choice and shopping. Emergency healthcare is price insensitive and non-competitive marketplace.
2. Medicare or single payers buy the cheapest healthcare packages because they have deep pocket and scale to demand service at lower price points. No private insurer can do that.
3. Insurance companies do risk pooling, i.e. collect money from a lot of healthy people and pay a fraction of that money in treatment of fewer people. How is it different from government tax funded healthcare? In fact the tax funding healthcare will be 15-20% cheaper as there will be no profiteering (net profit component of P&L statement).
May be Ben Shapiro should show the comparison of price points between Medicare and private insurance when he claims competition will improve healthcare cost. Healthcare is an emergency commodity, it is price inelastic.
Ah yes, because privatisation has always worked so well. That's why the British railway system is completely fine and why European healthcare is very low quality.
Oh wait...
straw man, privatization has worked, it’s the way you privatize that matters. Japanese rail system is privatized and is arguably the best in the world, the way british rail was privatized hinders market success. Not all european healthcare is single payer, Germany has a public private multi system whcih I’m for, Switzerland and Netherlands have privatized which have been success.
@@Ace-uc5cj I Live in Germany and I am not for changing that system much. However, healthcare is treated as a right there as if you don't choose the private option you always fall into the public one.
@@vermas4654 im not arguing for changing the system, I'm juts showing examples where privatization of some parts has worked. And german system is what america should implement, public private.
"So...I don't know enough about the health care industry..." to know why you shouldn't be paying so much for an x-ray. Exactly!
Bro gave a middle finger to poor sick peopel😭
In a first world country healthcare should be a right because it benefits society as a whole. There are many things out of our control such as birth family, air quality of where we live and genetic predisposition. So everyone should have an equal chance at life, whether rich or poor. The matter of the fact is free markets will not bring the price of certain things enough to make it affordable to most people e.g cancer treatment. A mix of private healthcare subsidized by the government would be beneficial
It's disgusting that he says he's pro life, but anti universal healthcare.
This guy is always in the money , clear in thinking and explanation for anybody to understand , politicians should listen more to guys like him with common sense and clear thinking .
Politicians arent idiots. Well most of them arent and know these things. They know the right answers but it doesnt help them if you can make a country with few or no problems.
Yep, shekels and more shekels - that's his ideology.
Unfortunately, pandering to special interests usually wins more elections than common sense.
No.. only people with low IQ are convinced Ben makes good arguments
@@MusicMan-em4fn Are you saying you have better arguements?
Lasik is even cheaper than Ben mentioned. Yes it was $20,000 per eye at some point, then dropped to around $4000 per eye but now it's like only a few hundred dollars.
Laser eye surgery isn't essential healthcare, it's luxury healthcare.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 right, but imagine if they decided to go the other way with it and call it essential. The price would be less competitive and astronomical. An example I'm thinking of is braces for teeth. Depending on the situation, they can be covered by insurance, but it can also just be a cosmetic thing insurance won't cover. Now there is invisiline for people who want to straighten their teeth as an alternative that is less intrusive and less expensive. More competition equates to lower cost. When you regulate the hell out of something and eliminate competition your asking for prices to soar.
@Ali Chaudhry I tie the term "cheap" with low quality. But low price and high quality is good value. Low price doesn't always mean low quality.
Price depends on how bad your prescription is as well if I’m not mistaken
@Ali Chaudhry you are right. You need to be wary if something is too low cost (if it's too good to be true, it likely isn't safe). I think the guy after you commented correctly that for lasik it depends on the severity of your eyes. But, it also depends on the risk you're willing to take. Someone might want the best of the best physician to work on their eyes, which is fair, your eyes are super important, but if they could have gotten it done cheaper with the same quality, that's their loss. If enough people take the cheaper option and it turns out to be safe, then you can probably look at the reviews and determine it's safe. You don't need to be the first person to try the cheaper option, there will likely be someone who will try it before you.
You cant be "pro life" but against universal healthcare, Ben.
False.
@@joel2628 I know, you're false.
@@bilbobaggins9451 I'm pro life and I oppose universal Healthcare. If anything you can't be pro-abortion and support universal healthcare.
@@joel2628 Well, I'm pro life and pro universal healthcare. Because I have a soul.
@@bilbobaggins9451 Well, I hope that "soul" makes up for what you lack in a brain.
How can something be a "right" if it requires the labor/skill of another person to have?
Do you consider food to be a right? What about shelter? These are all things many people do rely on other people to have. Unless you yourself grow all of your own food and built your own house, in which case I'll eat my hat
@Samuel Gonzalez do you believe everything in your life comes completely from your own work? Because otherwise you're suggesting no one has a right to anything
@@seamusosullivan9105 I believe the original poster meant that making something a right demands that another person provide it, not simply that another person be involved in making it. In other words, a restaurant makes and sells food, but you do not have a right to their food.
The concept you're discussing here is positive versus negative rights. Negative rights impose no duty or obligation on anyone else and are the sort guaranteed in the U.S. Bill of Rights. In other words, you have the right to speak freely, but nobody is required to listen to you or believe what you say. There is a right to a free press, but nobody has to buy the newspapers. And so forth.
A positive right is one that demands the participation of someone else. A right to food requires that another person grow, cook, and distribute the food so that you might eat it. A right to health care demands that doctors, nurses, drug companies, and all of the other individuals and organizations involved work whether or not they are compensated. They might be paid, but typically at a rate that is set by a third party which may or may not be adequate to them, but they cannot refuse to work because the consumer has the right to demand their labor.
School is a right and it’s provided by somebody else
You have a right to get food water and shelter. You don't have the right to get it for free. You can whine about your right to food water and shelter until you die of starvation, nothing is given to you, you have to work for it. Instead of working to provide your own, now you use money from wages. The difference is that back in the day, if someone didn't want to work they just died and quit dragging down their community. Now they run the government.
You have a right to all the health care you can afford.
In the former Representative Republic, now oligarchy, the USA sure. So if you cant afford your 2 to 4x more expensive drug mark up, and you need that drug to live, like say insulin, you have the right to die.
But in a country with better priorities where tax paying citizens are valued, and they get healthcare for their tax dollars via a universal healthcare system, everyone gets healthcare, and drug prices are 2 to 4x cheaper.
In america healthcare is a for profit, as much profit as possible, business. Like a tv store.
The largest lobbyist group in washington is big pharma, and thats why america doesnt have universal healthcare. Chump.
@@cyber151 America makes most of the drugs. They charge for the enormous expense to research and manufacture their drug to US citizens because they know that insurance companies will pick up the bill. Then the exact same drug/pill goes to another country and they charge fractions of what they charged US citizens.
Please do not conflate drug prices and healthcare costs. They are not the same thing. Ask a Canadian how much they love their free health care before you start saying how good it is! You know, do some actual research instead of spewing out baseless opinions! But you are correct about lobbyist, they are the root of many evils in this country.
A good comparison would be gasoline prices in Mexico. Pemex is run by the government, there is no competition at all so they charge whatever they want. Their gas is far more expensive than in America. Competition in a free market is far superior to single provider with government regulations.
As a Canadian (who's actually been through the healthcare system, type 1 diabetes and Lyme disease) Ben and Charlie Kirk are completely right on this topic of free market. Our healthcare is ok for emergencies like he was stating but here's the thing. We pay average of 30 to 40 percent tax depending on your income cause it's progressive tax so why bother make more money when the government will take more of it away and you would keep more by making less money. Here's what happens. Average Canadian is healthy for 60 years then say they get cancer. O well you get to wait 8 months for surgery (probably get worse or die in that period) that you've been paying the last 60 years of your life in tax money that you haven't needed to use until now. Then we pay out of pocket to go to states or south America for our care lol. Also when you are giving government money to set prices and wages for healthcare non of it is incentivized to go towards better treatment or cures because they just mark up all the prices for current treatments that "do the job well enough"
@SSj Crono who you talking to? Read the post above by Big Shoots11!! Do you want a horrible health care system just to make it free? Employer doesnt offer insurance or dont have employer? Isnt that what Obamacare is for?
@SSj Crono everybody wants things free. But they just have no clue the enormous cost they must pay to make it "free". Healthcare is "free" in some countries BUT they pay 15% more taxes. DONT MISS THAT! It is NOT free because they PAID for it with TAXES. They only difference is that they paid for a much more shitty healthcare syatem than the 1 in the US!!
Now ive put the cookies on the bottom shelf for yall.
In regards to the cost of an Xray, Ben left out a huge factor that most don't talk about.
Being competitive in a market allows for choice in price and quality. If someone wants an Xray, there could be 2 companies next to each other with identical machines. One might charge $100 for a Xray and the other might charge $2,000. However- while there's no upfront price transparency there is also even less transparency on quality of care.
Insurance literally sees charges vary this widely and the patient has no idea there could be a less expensive and higher quality option.
‘You need full free-market competition for the healthcare business to work’
Here’s how free-market competition works where I live (the U.K.): the NHS puts tenders out for nationwide products such as drugs or medical equipment. These tenders are worth millions, even BILLIONS of £££. So companies like GSK, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer etc. all absolutely fall over themselves to get these contracts. Because of economy of scale, it ends up costing individual Brits much less than having every hospital and every doctor have their own procurement services to procure relatively small numbers of products.
Surely a capitalist like Ben can appreciate the big big bucks available for his beloved profit-seeking pharma companies? Surely he can understand that since the NHS is publicly funded, the ministry of health won’t tolerate price hiking pharma bro scumbags like Martin Shkreli who put their personal wealth ahead of people’s health? That sounds like a logical approach even for a capitalist, and a logical approach for anyone with a shred of morality.
Nobody outside of America uses the term ‘socialized healthcare’. It’s just called healthcare.
The tenders are only for common drugs. The corporations will take cut at winning these businesses and then make up for the shortfall by charging extra to Americans. In short, Americans are in some way heavily subsidizing other countries' healthcare systems. Don't worry though, the gravy train ain't lasting forever. Enjoy your free lunch while it's there.
@Haku Yuki conservatives oppose those things
You sound funny most of your medical progression comes from the US and many of the faults in the healthcare system doesn’t make up for the costs. As the cost it’s self is high just because your aren’t paying the entire doesn’t change the fact that the cost is high because if you broke it down between individuals many would use more or less than other why would one be paying high taxes to not utilize a system which is why people in socialized healthcare countries have people over use the system. Also just because people who SOCIALIZE HEALTHCARE systems want to avoid the stigma of what they actually did and no right mind economist would ever say “socialized medicine is more effective” when the UK is d stoned to collapse once it can’t price hike the people anymore while your complaining about companies trying to make by getting as many people as possible to buy their stuff at LOW PRICES. Why do people think their local Walmart is that much different in strategy than a pharmaceutical company. Companies like government contracts because they give them a lot of money govenrment has deep pockets compared to the public. That allow many of these companies to have huge amount of equivalent buyers in a place that will over pay for anything they want because these people in government don’t know what things costs. Keep your socialism to yourself.
@@trevon_thedragon4034 I will keep my socialised healthcare thank you. And tomorrow if there is blood in my urine, or I develop a nasty cough, or I have a seizure, or I’m in a car accident, at least I won’t have to worry about the fine print of my health insurance, on top of the terror of cancer, epilepsy, and broken bones.
Sweet dreams.
@Glasstable2011 What you're describing is a monopsony. Seeing as the NHS is more of less the sole purchaser of medical equipment in the UK they are able to get it at a massive discount becausd for vendors there is no alternative. But the problem is this applies to labour too. Wonder why we have an enormous hole in our workforce, it takes hours to be seen in A+E, weeks to see a GP and months or even years to see a specialist? Increasingly no one wants to work for a wage that does not represent the level of skill and expertise they have and there is no free-marketism to incentivise paying a competitive salary. Nurses going on strike, paramedics and junior doctors will likely soon follow. Access to healthcare in the UK is ranked as one of the worst in the developed world, even more so than the US (see recent article in the financial times).
BEN! Thank you YAF!
Enjoy giving $3.8B/year to Israel for no reason.
@@foxhill1212 what?
You gotta appreciate this ,he is talking this narrative openly,while others push it under disguise that universal Healthcare is too expensive. It is not. It simply a philosophical choice.
Private system works for those who can afford it. Those who can't die or got without. The private system cost more because different companies doing the same job so job duplicating the work. So a national health service has one provider one bill centre lower costs. Open to everyone so everyone gets care. It is not a rich people's services.
Exactly.
You can live without a armchair but if you have been stabbed and are bleeding bad you can't without help.
There are alternatives to buying stuff like a chair or food but with your health sometimes there is no choice...and one says "Too bad for you if you are poor"
He literally said it was a bad example and then brought up a different one and his argument isn’t solely based on that example but in the fact that the solution to the cost of healthcare isn’t making it free by taxing the living hell out of the high income population but to stop regulating it and putting America’s healthcare into the free market so that through competition the prices go down because yes, with high competition you are forced to find a way to make your product either better or cheaper or both, otherwise you go bankrupt. Therefore, if America’s health sector started competing in the free market you would find yourself cheaper stuff...that would come close to an actual solution to it instead of creating three or more problems by trying to socialize it
im as conservative as you get and healthcare IS a RIGHT in 100s of countries..
just like water is a human right worldwide..since the dawn oif man water has been a human right..
the good Samaritan proves healthcare is a GOD required right
How can you compare a situation where people might DIE? I am againts Sanders free healthcare plan, but I think that healthcare is a RIGHT of every human being. Healthcare doesn't only apply to the rich 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 every human needs healthcare as a right. But people with much money can buy sorts of furniture, and that is a PRIVILIGE. Got that? By the way last year there's a case where a child of a mother DIED because he didn't get a treatment because he didn't pay. How would u answer that 🙄
And it's not BEN'S money to argue he wants US taxpayer money to Murder more children's in Palestine rather to provide free healthcare to the US citizens... And why should he care his wife is a doctor.. Zionist Ben shapiro🤡
Wrong and wrong!
Everything you said makes perfect sense for any market other than health care.
America has gone mad!!
Thank God it is in the UK. Letting weaker people just rot when they are struggling is a pretty sad indictment for a rich country.
America (the USA) has the following:
Socialised defence force (army, navy, airforce)
Socialised national guard
Socialised coast guard
Socialised roads & highways
Socialised railways
Socialised bridges
Socialised libraries
Socialised cemeteries
Socialised fire departments
Socialised national parks & rangers
Socialised police forces
Socialised education
Now is the time to add: Socialised medicine
Absolutely right that there is a black market for healthcare in other countries. I work for a company that legitimately provides a highly specialized service to the majority of the medical tourism industry, but I will not share what need or service we fulfill so that I cannot be fired. :)
Really hope this isn't your real name.
Yeah but just because it’s corrupt in some areas doesn’t mean it doesn’t work
The great divide between Left and Right in America rests on assumptions of what freedom means. To conservatives, freedom means 'freedom from', and in particular, freedom from government intrusion into one's life. Which is why the Bill of Rights has so many 'Government shall not...' To liberals, freedom means 'freedom to' as in, freedom does not mean much if you cannot exercise those freedom, and by that, freedom in general. Saying you have the freedom to medical care or education, if you can afford them, and then you can't...means in the real world, those freedoms do not exist for you. For the average American family to afford health care or higher education all on their own, or even to buy a house out of their own resources, means the family would by necessity live at best, as part of the lower class as so many other things that prop up their middle class lifestyle would have to be forsworn. Is that the best America can do? Shapiro obviously thinks so.
My guy, the “freedoms” you listed aren’t “freedoms”
Healthcare in most countries, including Canada, is a right because you cannot be refused coverage. I'm not willing to get into an argument about relative comparisons, but I will note that no other country argues and fights over their system as much as America and there's a bunch of people getting very rich on people's health
Facts do not agree with Ben shapiro.
Owens/ Shapiro Shapiro/ Owens 2024 🇺🇸♥️
Growing up in the UK we've had the NHS which is paid for by taxes and is not free. I've always had great experiences with the NHS. We also have private insurance for those that want it. Other European countries have a mixture of Insurance and healthcare paid for by taxes. I think the USA is the only country in the west that doesn't have some kind of universal healthcare. I always find it amusing that whenever universal healthcare is brought up people talk about the evils of socialism. By the way Ben Shapiro is a millionaire so doesn't really have to worry about healthcare. US healthcare it turns out is way more expensive than a universal healthcare system.
That's because in the US if there isn't any profit in it , then no UHC , simple really !
"Healthcare is NOT a right" It is a right in developed countries.
Shapiro isn't living in one, so I kinda understand his answer.
Well not likely.. If u say it is right to have healthcare, do u think there will be ppl who give you the free while working 24 hours a day... It is not like food and water that will be considered as right.. It has a situation.. Just like police.. We don't need to go to police all the time, but getting service from them in needy place is essential. Same as healthcare if it is provided free, do u think we will get thise services or anyone will be ready to give us that. It can be given cheap but not free.
@@tingle2323 "You, know what's funny? Is that people like Ben Shapiro, and the, like these hardcore conservative guys paint themselves as people that have a great, deep, abiding pride in this country, but they're willing to allow us to be the laughing stock of the world when it comes to our people dying of preventable illness, our charging of people's routine healthcare needs. The rest of the first world is laughing at us, Scotty. They're laughing at this fucking exp... exactly why wouldn't they? Where's your pride, Ben? Do you want America to be the place where... the shithole place where people die of gum disease? 'Cause they can't get fucking dental work done. Is that what you're waving the flag for here, on your fucking stupid Daily Wire show? A festering lower class that dies of preventable illness? While rich boys like you excoriate the virtues of fucking paying less and less taxes? Is that, is that what you're proud of? Why the flag if that's what you're flying it for? What's to be proud of in that?" - Paul Parkey
So are you getting cheap healthcare in USA
@@tingle2323instead of free healthcare are you getting cheap healthcare in USA????
The analogy I always use for countering the argument that something as important as healthcare needs government intervention is food (somewhat in line with the bread analogy from Ben). We trust the free private market with food. Literally the most critical thing in our lives. In fact, the only reason society gets away with not having a free market in healthcare is that it's just not quite critical enough for society to collapse if it's not amazingly run.
There is some disconnect between arguing for more competition to drive down costs and then bemoaning that there is insufficient incentive for surgeons in highly socialized systems. To create enough supply of the latter it must inherently become pricier. I do appreciate the economic logic he is trying to convey by refusing to call it a right, but sick and injured people need care regardless of their ability to pay and their sheer existence on the human plane should mean they receive it, without question, delay, or diminished quality. I’m completely onboard with as many free market solutions as you want to suggest, with the caveat that anyone who cannot afford comprehensive healthcare is nonetheless provisioned. I firmly believe in equality of HEALTH outcomes, or at least the requisite and unrelenting effort to approach it.
Live in Canada, I am not denying everything Ben is saying but let me add some other factors. One of the reasons we have wait times is that everyone is covered.
You dont not go to a doctor because of money . A homeless person with a health card gets the same access I do Like Ben said allot of people use the emergency room in the States as their primary care provider. This is the most expensive way to provide care.
Second , yes people go to the States for health care , rarely . Only the rich can go other than , sometimes the provincial government will send you , why ?
We are a country of 36 million not 360 million is is simply cheaper to send people for health care for more obscure procedures.
Yes health care may be a commodity, but like eating it's not optional.
When talking to Americans about this , the argument I get well your taxes are higher this is true. However , everyone pays into it on some level. We have a value added tax added on to most purchases . So a poor person buying things still pays a tax.
Americans generally get it through an employer, so part of your compensation is in paying for health care. Call it a tax , or pay it out of your compensation. You are still paying . In the American system the insured , pay a large chunk for the uninsured. This is the least " conservative " way to provide health care.
Look the Canadian system is not perfect . However it is rare that anyone is financially ruined because of a health care issues.
Same here in the UK. Canada's decision to 'help junkies' (as somebody referred to human beings as in the comments here) is cost effective, in that drug related crime as a result decreases. Anybody who wants healthcare to be considered a luxury should not complain when those more fortunate are being kidnapped and held for ransom, because a guy's been made redundant from work and his child or spouse is diagnosed with cancer. Why on earth would anybody want to live by the laws of the jungle rather than pay taxes? Incomprehensible.
@@flowersintherain734 as I said it is tax by another name . Capitalism is great but when it comes to my health I need to be covered regardless of wealth
This topic is so complex man. So many different factors with so many different pros and cons its gets so messy. It's all up to the moral standards of the individual and what that person values most in making a judgement. I see really good arguments from both sides.
He literally just quoted the number one problem about healthcare in the US, that it’s “a commodity.” In essence, healthcare in the US is just grander scheme of business and capitalism, not operated on the actual moral principles of healthcare. Your doctors in America don’t care if you’re sick or dying, all they’re looking for is the profits. Man, I’m telling you, as an American, I rather die from an accident than being treated at a hospital. One would think health insurance takes care of it, but it doesn’t. Insurance covers only about half of the enormous bill.
I think what Ben is misunderstanding is it should be a right. Taxpayers fund the government, the government decides what to do with the money. It should be the people that decide, and the people want to use it for health care.
The problem is we (AMERICA) are almost 30,000,000,000,000 in dept. We don’t have any money for ANYTHING!
2nd government is the LEAST efficient system!
Like teachers cops etc
@Hunter44 44hunter don't act like America is broke. The largest GDP on the planet and the largest military budget are not obtained by being poor. Decades of constant indoctrination that "taxes are socialism, profit is all you need in life" has left Americans terrified of public services. You seem to have no problem with public roads, schools, law enforcement, or the fucking military, so why are you so scared of public healthcare? And the imaginary dystopia society that would create with the "massive" cost is INSTANTLY debunked by looking at other countries
@@justbecause7402
Which other countries are you referring to? And don’t tell me any of the Scandinavian countries which are all around 10 million people and a homogenous society. You can’t compare that to a 330 million person society especially when a quarter of those people have figured out that they don’t have to work and can live off the system. And it’s getting worse every day pretty soon there will be more welfare people then there are workers and you wonder why we are becoming a Third World country. And how about all the illegals that were leading in every day that will be taking a lot more than they will be contributing for years. Our government waste so much of our hard earned tax dollars that I don’t think anyone wants to funnel more of their money to the government. Name me a few businesses that have to make a profit that aren’t run better than a government controlled entity. Just keep printing more and more money like Biden and his handlers think we should do. When this catches up with us it’s going to be devastating.
@@toddwillard8927 "HoMoGeNoUs SoCiEtY." Can conservatives make an argument without appealing to racism?
I live in Canada . Its nice to know if I get cancer ,I won't go broke fighting it ,or told go home and did cause your poor ! Also where is this black market he is talking about ????
People health is NOT a commodity. France's health care is government controlled, it covers everyone, is very inexpensive and everyone is happy with it. It does work.
Did he just say people travel from around the world to u.s.a for medical care?
I think that's the opposite
Am getting my heart surgery in Germany because just putting in the time to do all the work up in the US costs an enormous sum of money that after the surgery if I survive it would be a debt like no other. It would be worth than buying a house. This guy didn’t suffer or understands how hard it is to go out there and earn a dollar.
@@martin22336 he does understand
He's just a manipulative rat who thinks talking fast is gonna cover him
I have never heard someone claim people travel to America for health care.ever.
Ben is an monster
I don’t agree with Ben on a lot of social issues, however I deeply respect his economic understanding and agree with many of his points regarding the free market
I would consider myself right these days but I have no problem with socialised healthcare. The NHS is not perfect at all but I just can’t imagine not having it.
The great thing about the NHS workers is unlike American health care workers the doctors and nurses in the NHS are willing to get maybe mid wage but they enjoy helping people. Ben Shapiro talks about incentive but why would anyone become a doctor if the only thing on there mind is money, also if I ever go to America and go to hospital I don’t want a doctor who is more interested in my wallet especially if it’s my life on line.
As someone living in the uk I can definitely tell you that there isn’t a black market for healthcare. You either get it free (where you have less options and often long wait times) or you pay for private care ( more options, shorter waits and usually, but not always, better quality care). Nobody goes to dodgy Dave from down the pub for their kidney transplant.
well Aran, i'll have to correct a couple of things:
Healthcare in UK (NHS) is not free, it's paid out of tax (national insurrance) that is deducted from everyones salary. It is free at the point of use, you don't get billed when you go to the doctor, hospital etc
All emergeny/ critical care is provided by NHS.
It works despite political interference, by those who see it as a way to make $£.
No one would entertain a US system for a milli second.
Yes of course… why would there be black market for healthcare lol? Shapiro is outta his mind, healthcare is not a leisure or hobby, it is a necessity that you only pays when you need it. It’s not drugs or guns where if you restrict them, people will still demand for it which creates black market. But that’s not how healthcare works.
Yes of course… why would there be black market for healthcare lol? Shapiro is outta his mind, healthcare is not a leisure or hobby, it is a necessity that you only pays when you need it. It’s not drugs or guns where if you restrict them, people will still demand for it which creates black market. But that’s not how healthcare works.
Everybody think healthcare isn't a right until they break their leg and need an ambulance to come get you XD
wrong. you think people are going to work for free? do you think the government uses money wisely? if either of those are yes, i dont know how you could honestly believe that
I don't understand the logic. Abortion is wrong but letting people die, bc they don't have Healthcare or adequate coverage, is OK.
both are extremely wrong
@@sonofsanto Then he should make that clear instead of acting like only one is ok
@@doger6531he would say just because I don't want you to be killed doesn't mean I have to take care of you.
Action vs inaction
abortion is wrong and evil!!! but got a good healthcare mix system (public & private) to the people should be one of the goals of every legal government...in this case is not about right but about logic....health is so relevant like as well as having access to a good aqueduct with a efficient sewage system and in the same way that the state has adequate legal control to have air that is as free as possible from pollution and bad odors & better sanitary disposal of all types of waste and garbage in ever little town or citie... ...
being responsible for your health is your responsibility - but - healthcare should be more like the NHS before the Tories fuckled it up
It is the sad mark of American general idiocy that people like Ben Shapiro are considered public intellectuals.
Sick in Norway.
A month ago I fell at my house, couldn't get back up, so an ambulance came to pick me up. I had broken my back. I was taken to the emergency room, where I later received a bill of *420 NOK $42. I was then taken to a hospital where I was admitted for 7 days, four meals a day and many examinations. Cost NOK 0.00. Since I still couldn't get out of bed without help. I was sent to a nursing home by ambulance, it was my third trip in total and it cost NOK 0.00.
In the nursing home I had a big room with a TV, plus a big bathroom, four meals a day, with free medicine I need. I was there for 3 weeks
Here I paid NOK 185 $18.5 per day x 21 = *NOK 3885 $388.
* We have this rule in Norway. In a health year (January 1 to December 31), if we have health expenses over NOK 3,040 $304, we get that money back, and don't have to pay more for the rest of the year. My health expenses in December will not be registered until January.
So my health expenses in January will be this.
Emergency room NOK 420
Nursing home NOK 3,885
= NOK 4305
- Deductible NOK 3,040
Paid too much NOK 1265 $126.5 which will automatically appear in my account in 2-3 days, and I have no health expenses for the rest of the year.
I have diabetes 2, so the next time I go to the pharmacy, I won't pay anything for my meds.
Aids.
Rollator for outdoor use, rollator for indoor use, changing the toilet lid, so I sit higher and with support on each side., costs NOK 0.00
Security alarm NOK 260 per month $26
Taxes.
I pay 24% in income tax.
Rates for VAT
VAT is paid on the sale of most goods and services. Certain industries and areas have their own rates for value added tax.
General rate 25%
Food items (food and drink) 15%
Passenger transport, cinema tickets, room hire 12%
PS. If you have any questions, I will answer them.
You live in a civilized country. Unlike America, which is full of sadistic base minded animals who revel in each other's suffering.
I love being from Britain where we have socialised health care. It's not the best, but its better than the system the Yanks have.
Its actually shocking that Americans would rather let fellow citizens suffer than pay another 1% in taxes. The selfishness and lack of empathy is astounding
@@justbecause7402Especially since we Americans have zero issues with footing the bill for corporate subsidies, endless military misadventures, bailouts to trillion dollar corporations, and luxuries for politicians. But whenever there's talks of making sure grandma and toddlers getting free healthcare, we riot. I hate it here.
you guys rather legalize cocaine than create a universal healthcare system like in canada LMAO
Well, my American friends, when your life expectancy as a country sits at number 40 and ALL the countries above you have universal health care, it SHOULD speak volumes on the state of your health care system.
health care should be a right. uk knows best
Why? It’s a commodity not a right
@LoverBoyWalker health is a commodity ?
Why is health a commodity please explain this
@@georgelonghurst2672 Healthcare is a commodity because it’s a service that requires the skills of other people directly and your own personal health isn’t a right or a commodity. Now you explain why you think healthcare/healthcare is a right?😂
@@LoverBoyWalker wow... so why are roads not a commodity ? why is the servial service not a commodity ....why is it a right to have a lawyyer if you can not afford one ? these by your definition are a commodity ?
@@georgelonghurst2672 Answer my question
All we want is for it be affordable! Instead of how ridiculously priced it is currently!
Medicare and Medicaid screwed the whole market and made it expensive and Obamacare made it worse. Medicare like Social Security should have been in the hands of every taxpayer. Instead of taking the money out of our paychecks, we should have been the ones who get to decide how much money we should donate to our Medicare and Social Security and to what type of investment, it might be bonds, mutual funds, stocks, savings account with high interest and whatever and our Social Security number does not connect to our financial account.
Regardless of how the US healthcare system for most of us, as it is, is explained, it could be so much better. All that world-class top notch medical care, if I needed it, would render me penniless and homeless, even with what passes for medical insurance. Forget about dental insurance. As a senior citizen, I already know that if I become expensively ill, I will not allow my family to go bankrupt to try and get medical care for me. I will simply go untreated until I die. I believe this outcome is what our country truly considers is in its best interests. Retired now, worked full time for 45 years straight, including 4 years of military service. This country, all its politicians and corporations, have no real use for people like me anymore, regardless of all the speeches and programs that point to how valuable we supposedly are. Life here was mostly good. Grateful for what it was. I'll leave it at that.
Healthcare should be a basic right just like the use of road, or having an education, all these are necesities that facilitate the existence of an enabling environment.
no
@@bradhaines3142tf you mean no dumbass
I can see Ben is in love with his Doctor
I am from Chile, South America, and here we have the same problem, only maxified since the Goverment subsidizes almost everything. Basically everything subsidized by the Goverment is free, but low quality, which immediately affects the market, causing the private sector to have the opportunity to offer a good quality service, but charging what they want (high prices).
Here, the formula to become a millionaire is not a secret: you simply have to offer any service that the Goverment offers for free (but low quality) but offering top quality instead, in order to charge top prices...
Hay competencia dentro de los precios altos haciéndolo más accesible para aquellos con posibilidades de pagar una cantidad razonable a diferencia de un sistema podrido con ganas de lucrar y verte morir, en el cual te endeudas de por vida o empeoras hasta morir antes de tener una cita o examen.
If you really want a prime example of how health care should be, look no further than Germany's health care sistem.
Enough said.
NOT enough said. Explain.
@@edithsmom6140 Very shortly, everyone must have a health insurance coverage. Most people are enrolled in the state-sponsored system. The state system is affordable to everyone (the premium is a certain percentage of one's salary, deducted automatically), and it covers most "essentials" with very affordable co-pay. However, if you want to (and can afford it), you can get a private cover - either as a supplementary cover in addition to the state system (to cover "gaps"), or you can even completely opt out of the state system and enroll in a full private cover. As a result, no one goes bankrupt (or has to sell their home) because of medical bills. Financial constraints are never an issue when getting necessary care. But still, anyone who dislikes the state system for any reason can turn to the market and get a private cover. In this sense, Germany offers the best of both approaches (i.e. socialized system vs. free market). And as to the incentives, no problem there, either - Germany is attractive for doctors from all neighboring countries.
@@josefhlavac4237 All I'm saying is socialized medicine is never going to be "fair." Some group will alwats pay, and some group won't. That is a commodity, not a God given right. The founders of the United States knew first had of "socialism" because the lived it under British rule. They succintly boiled down our "rights." Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How about more people pursue payjng for their own healthcare?!?
@@edithsmom6140 This depends on your definition of "fair". Is it fair, for instance, that someone develops a costly-to-treat medical condition due to their genetic traits, i.e. through no fault of their own, and gets stuck with the bill, while someone else does not? In Europe, we generally think that it is not fair, so we tried to do something about it and came up with universal healthcare. Moreover, there is no such thing as "God given rights". Any rights - including the right to live or the right to affordable healthcare - exist if and only if the society in question recognizes them and upholds them. Not too long ago, slavery was widespread in the US. Slaves had no right to liberty because the American society at that time did not recognize and uphold such a right.
@@josefhlavac4237 The founders and most Americans do believe that the highest authority IS God, not the state. By your definition, the state said slavery was correct so it was correct. No. Just because a government deems some practice allowable, i.e. abortion, it is not necessarily morally right. Slavery and abortion are perfect examples. The august, eternal Godhead is the final authority whether any state agrees or not.
imagine thinking that owning a weapon is more of a human right than having healthcare
A weapon is a good, therefore you can own and use it yourself. Healthcare is a service provided by another person, you can’t own the person’s labor, nor should you.
Having the right to bear arms does not mean that the government pays for your weapons and ammunition because you can't afford them.
Health care should be a right of all American citizens and paid out of the taxes received. What is more important than our health?
I disagree.
Healthcare is heavily regulated due to its important nature, a low quality chair may make you uncomfortable, but a unregulated bad quality X-ray will cost you your life, the food industry is also heavily, heavily regulated but competition is still present, not to even mention that regulations where put in place AFTER healthcare became predatory.
The reason a market doesn't exist for healthcare is because the safety, complexity, and costs are way to high for a startup in a garage, it's very nature is monopolistic so the only way going forward is to regulate what we can, and profit margins shouldn't be 3000% on a life saving drug.
As for emergencies, you don't really get to choose which emergency surgery company does your work do you? You don't get to choose which ambulance or hospital treats you, and even if you may get healthcare, it will drive you into debt.
I don't think you actually disagree. I think you're missing his point.
@Roll Over
No, the problem isn't govt lobby or congress, the problem is big monopolies charging fōck all prices on stuff, medicine goes from 15$ to 500$ because profits, ofcourse we need government intervention, businesses don't care about your health, they exist for the sole purpose of making money or they wouldn't have taken on the risk and time.
Society is vigilant and has finally fought up, now we're looking for a solution to the sheetmess.
Healthcare is a right according to the UN, but America gives no eagle stools.
@@fissionplane32 Getting healthcare isn't against the law. Forcing me to pay for yours when you are capable should be against the law though.
I don't owe you anything.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven your @$$ will be very quite when you get a disease which puts you into debt, debating weather to live or die.
@@fissionplane32 I worked hard and survived cancer w/o stealing your money to pay for my care.
Do the same you lazy ass.
American conservatives when you say you should pay taxes for police: Yeah of course, you need the police to protect everyone, not just the rich.
American conservatives when you say you should pay taxes for fire department: Yeah of course, you need to prevent fires in all neighbourhoods, not just the rich ones.
American conservatives when you say you should pay taxes for healthcare: BuT tHaT wOuLd NeVeR wOrK
Public goods aren't the same as commodities.
you missed the point. Ben is not saying the current health care system is good. He's simply saying the way to solve it is not by government intervention and government programs. He's providing an alternate solution, which actually makes sense. It'll be more easier for America to increase competition in healthcare rather than cracking down on thousands of companies that already exist. It's just such an insane change and will probably start with terrible economic consequences. Imagine you increase those thousands to hundreds of thousands. Every x-ray you do is being competed by thousands of companies that are all trying to provide the best service to the consumer. This way the incentive to become a doctor stays, supply increases and price reduces significantly all while boosting the economy. I do think it will be really difficult to achieve such a strong free-market system in healthcare though, but if we can reach this goal, the US will be able to improve its healthcare tremendously.
If they could make healthcare free without increasing taxes then everyone would be happy but no like why haven't anyone else thought of that idea.
@@mr.s9783 healthcare should never be a commodity. It is a public good.
@@nogreatreset8506 You don't know what a public good is.
Health Care is not a right, but a commodity. So should be drinking water & such.
W. price evaluation, I can choose if I'd would rather die o. live w. crippling debt for a long time.
Thank you for those wise words Ben.
When I phoned my cardiologist to talk about an appointment, and I stated that I was temporarily without insurance, I got hung up on. Healthcare IS a right . . . for the rich . . . not the poor.
get insurance lol
@Emmaline🥀 I got one and insurance lol
@@chuckiejoseph4979 they'll just go into debt anyways
@@views-kb6sv get a job there’s plenty rn lol
@@chuckiejoseph4979 Minimum wage isn't gonna pay off a 10k or more bill in years, and it can also cause many to lose their home.
Every Brit I’ve talked to is a fan of the NHS yet American paleocons talk about it like it’s the devil. No, it’s not perfect, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Universal healthcare is cheaper. I cant understand why the average us citizen will gladly pay private insurance that cost twice as much. Less taxes will just increase the prices
re: cost of x ray: consider veterinary x rays. The actual picture is very cheap, and if used in volume gets even cheaper.