@@EasternRomanHistory would you make video on survival of hellenic paganism in Mani? Theres suppossed sources that say it survived till sometime in 12th century but never been able to find those source, even wikipedia says so but the sources they listed don't say anything about it being there in 12th century... great video by the way
Ages without hearing the Empire Earth soundtrack 👌👌👌 I mean Eastern Rome dodged several bullets on this one, truly epic fighting Arabs, domestic issues, and the Slavs. Truly wish we know what Greek fire was made of. Nice video! 🙌🏼
I think you could make some quite compelling stories in both mediums. A movie about Justinian II, his fall, his return and his death could be a good one and a tv political drama of the last days of Romanos I's reign would be my front runners. If you wanted a movie with a big battle you could do Basil II vs Samuel.
In fact, literary and artistic interest in the medieval Roman Empire is heavily biased towards Justinian I and Constantine XI. Both were great emperors, but the conclusion that out of 90-100 emperors, only two were attractive enough to be remembered by posterity is more absurd than the conspiracy theories circulating everywhere. Fortunately, this malign tendency seems to have weakened in recent years. In the 2020s alone, British historian Jonathan Harris wrote a novel about Basil II, a manga about his mother Theophano was published in Greece, and a manga about Anna Komnena is still being serialized in Japan. Personally, I hope that Justinian II, Manuel I, Michael VIII, and John VI will join this lineage.
One thing I don't get is the Umayyad neglect of Anatolia. They just walk all over it for Constantinople, though trying to conquer and hold Anatolia would have been destructive enough (and more likely to succed) than Constantinople. Plus if the Umayyads started actually incorporating the sacked towns into their empire (which went as deep as Amorion) ERE would be forced to send an army in more unfavorable situations than sitting in the most fortified city on earth.
This was impossible due to the huge amount of Roman fortifications and the mountainous nature of Anatolia The Umayyad plan, since Muawiyah was governor of Syria, was to weaken the Byzantine navy and control the Greek islands (Rhodes, Crete, Cyprus), then conquer Constantinople. But the assassination of Uthman and the civil war foiled the plan
@@Faisal-pb5gu Yes, but they were able to avoid (most) fortifications and make the long trip to Constantinople, which often exposed them to ambushes (especially in the 717 siege). It's clear they had the capacity to repeatedly cross the Taurus and take cities in the Anatolian interior. If they attacked the fortifications from this position a lot of their problems are solved: their supply lines are not overextended, and their army is on the other side of the Taurus. Muslim armies had much greater difficulty in the late 9th and 10th centuries in crossing the Taurus, which leads me to believe that the defenses were not completely in place in the 7th century.
Thank God that the Arabs did not win. I don't believe that the Greek language would exist nowadays if they had won. The Turks were much more lenient to the conquered Greek-speaking Romans. The Arabs insisted on Arabization from the beginning.
That's just plainly not true. Arabs started using their own language in administration since 680s since... it was their language. Using a language in administration doesn't mean other languages were wiped out. However, since Arabic was the prestige language, more and more people started speaking it for the social opportunities it presented. Anyone trying to get an education would have to learn Arabic, since most books in the Islamic world would have been written in Arabic. That's how Aramaic and Coptic-speaking communities became smaller over time, not because Arabs banned anything in that language. Another way many languages survived was through the Church. The Orthodox Church would have preserved Greek language. You add that to the admiration Arabs had towards Greek sciences, it may well have been that Greek would become another court language just like Persian became.
@@sr-71blackbird57 I doubt that Greek as a language will become extinct after the Arab conquest, but I think it will be very different from modren Greek Most likely, they would have replaced the Greek alphabet with the Arabic alphabet, in addition to borrowing a large number of Arabic terms, as happened with Persian and Turkish.
Is it just perspectives when the wars between the Roman Empire and the Muslim Caliphates ended? After all, many peoples in today's age did not consider the cease of the Muslim raids in Anatolia brought by the Mardiates to be the end of the war but when the Romans emerged victorious in the Second Siege of Constantinople because it brought the Umayyad Caliphate to its knees to the point that the rebels from Khorasan and Transoxiana can easily defeated them and proclaim the Abbasid Caliphate in its place. And as we all know, the Abbasid Caliphate was completely okay with allowing the Roman Empire to exist but for its own political reasons such as collecting tributes and being used as a target for the annual raids to give each of the ascended Caliphs the legitimacy to rule as the leaders of the Ummah. But then again, in the days before the Second Siege of Constantinople, especially after the first assault on the capital by the Arabs, most likely are considered by the Romans at the times to be the end of the wars between themselves and the Muslims.
To the standard narrative based on islamic sources, yes although I am under the personal belief islam didn't develop proper til at least the 8th century following the fall of the umayyad caliphate. I would say alternative sources and some historians dispute whether they were a Muslim or Islamic community as we know today; sources lack critical dates from arab sources being created hundreds of years later fulfill that narrative that was missing. We have other accounts in real time during the events of the arab conquests by the conquered or defending populations [ie christians], but their accounts like Sebos noted above don't describe them as muslims but as ishmaelites. Other names are given like Saracens to describe the invading armies that came out of arabia.
@@juanzulu1318 Caliph, my friend, is "THE CHIEF MUSLIM civil and religious ruler, regarded as the successor of Muhammad." It's a strictly RELIGIOUS and a strictly ISLAMIC title 🤦🤦
Great narrative. The byzantines held on to their empire by a thread.
This Channel is so underated. Thanks again for all your work
Thank you!
@@EasternRomanHistory would you make video on survival of hellenic paganism in Mani? Theres suppossed sources that say it survived till sometime in 12th century but never been able to find those source, even wikipedia says so but the sources they listed don't say anything about it being there in 12th century... great video by the way
No
@@EasternRomanHistory Thank you for your work. So many people have brushed over eastern Roman history. Are you a historian by chance?
@@sr-71blackbird57 A junior one but yes.
My daily fix of Eastern Roman History :)
Ages without hearing the Empire Earth soundtrack 👌👌👌 I mean Eastern Rome dodged several bullets on this one, truly epic fighting Arabs, domestic issues, and the Slavs. Truly wish we know what Greek fire was made of. Nice video! 🙌🏼
Amazing narration!
Hey bro Byzantine empire movie or TV series really deserved ?
I think you could make some quite compelling stories in both mediums. A movie about Justinian II, his fall, his return and his death could be a good one and a tv political drama of the last days of Romanos I's reign would be my front runners. If you wanted a movie with a big battle you could do Basil II vs Samuel.
In fact, literary and artistic interest in the medieval Roman Empire is heavily biased towards Justinian I and Constantine XI. Both were great emperors, but the conclusion that out of 90-100 emperors, only two were attractive enough to be remembered by posterity is more absurd than the conspiracy theories circulating everywhere.
Fortunately, this malign tendency seems to have weakened in recent years. In the 2020s alone, British historian Jonathan Harris wrote a novel about Basil II, a manga about his mother Theophano was published in Greece, and a manga about Anna Komnena is still being serialized in Japan.
Personally, I hope that Justinian II, Manuel I, Michael VIII, and John VI will join this lineage.
Yes, but never gonna happen with Hollycrap.
Constantine IV is so overlooked; great job portraying his actions!
One thing I don't get is the Umayyad neglect of Anatolia. They just walk all over it for Constantinople, though trying to conquer and hold Anatolia would have been destructive enough (and more likely to succed) than Constantinople. Plus if the Umayyads started actually incorporating the sacked towns into their empire (which went as deep as Amorion) ERE would be forced to send an army in more unfavorable situations than sitting in the most fortified city on earth.
This was impossible due to the huge amount of Roman fortifications and the mountainous nature of Anatolia
The Umayyad plan, since Muawiyah was governor of Syria, was to weaken the Byzantine navy and control the Greek islands (Rhodes, Crete, Cyprus), then conquer Constantinople.
But the assassination of Uthman and the civil war foiled the plan
@@Faisal-pb5gu Yes, but they were able to avoid (most) fortifications and make the long trip to Constantinople, which often exposed them to ambushes (especially in the 717 siege). It's clear they had the capacity to repeatedly cross the Taurus and take cities in the Anatolian interior. If they attacked the fortifications from this position a lot of their problems are solved: their supply lines are not overextended, and their army is on the other side of the Taurus.
Muslim armies had much greater difficulty in the late 9th and 10th centuries in crossing the Taurus, which leads me to believe that the defenses were not completely in place in the 7th century.
Thank God that the Arabs did not win. I don't believe that the Greek language would exist nowadays if they had won. The Turks were much more lenient to the conquered Greek-speaking Romans. The Arabs insisted on Arabization from the beginning.
That's just plainly not true. Arabs started using their own language in administration since 680s since... it was their language. Using a language in administration doesn't mean other languages were wiped out.
However, since Arabic was the prestige language, more and more people started speaking it for the social opportunities it presented. Anyone trying to get an education would have to learn Arabic, since most books in the Islamic world would have been written in Arabic. That's how Aramaic and Coptic-speaking communities became smaller over time, not because Arabs banned anything in that language.
Another way many languages survived was through the Church. The Orthodox Church would have preserved Greek language. You add that to the admiration Arabs had towards Greek sciences, it may well have been that Greek would become another court language just like Persian became.
@@sr-71blackbird57
I doubt that Greek as a language will become extinct after the Arab conquest, but I think it will be very different from modren Greek
Most likely, they would have replaced the Greek alphabet with the Arabic alphabet, in addition to borrowing a large number of Arabic terms, as happened with Persian and Turkish.
bro your work is phenomenal!
Excellent Narration and I love, that you implemented an Empire Earth Soundtrack at the start 😁
Thank you very much.
Lyckia is pronounced as Lick-ia, meaning land of light and sun shine. Lie-cia is an incorrect pronunciation.
Is it just perspectives when the wars between the Roman Empire and the Muslim Caliphates ended? After all, many peoples in today's age did not consider the cease of the Muslim raids in Anatolia brought by the Mardiates to be the end of the war but when the Romans emerged victorious in the Second Siege of Constantinople because it brought the Umayyad Caliphate to its knees to the point that the rebels from Khorasan and Transoxiana can easily defeated them and proclaim the Abbasid Caliphate in its place. And as we all know, the Abbasid Caliphate was completely okay with allowing the Roman Empire to exist but for its own political reasons such as collecting tributes and being used as a target for the annual raids to give each of the ascended Caliphs the legitimacy to rule as the leaders of the Ummah.
But then again, in the days before the Second Siege of Constantinople, especially after the first assault on the capital by the Arabs, most likely are considered by the Romans at the times to be the end of the wars between themselves and the Muslims.
My favorite eastern Roman history channel ❤
Love the empire earth 1 soundtrack!
The mardiates deserve more attention in historiography.
Thank you very much for the episode, and I have a small request: could you record a video about Manuel I Komnenos?
Thank you very much, I will do.
Mas,mas
Was the Caliph already of muslim belief at that time?
Yes he was
Even contemporary historians of Muawiyah, such as Sebeos confirm his Islamic faith
To the standard narrative based on islamic sources, yes although I am under the personal belief islam didn't develop proper til at least the 8th century following the fall of the umayyad caliphate.
I would say alternative sources and some historians dispute whether they were a Muslim or Islamic community as we know today; sources lack critical dates from arab sources being created hundreds of years later fulfill that narrative that was missing.
We have other accounts in real time during the events of the arab conquests by the conquered or defending populations [ie christians], but their accounts like Sebos noted above don't describe them as muslims but as ishmaelites. Other names are given like Saracens to describe the invading armies that came out of arabia.
Caliph = Muslim 🤦
@@martinusv7433no. Caliph = title. What someone believes is a completelty different issue. 🤦♂️
@@juanzulu1318 Caliph, my friend, is "THE CHIEF MUSLIM civil and religious ruler, regarded as the successor of Muhammad."
It's a strictly RELIGIOUS and a strictly ISLAMIC title 🤦🤦