Anyone who cares about the news and what has become of it on television should see the movie, read Mary Mapes book and ignore comments by people who don't care.
Gosh I have watched this powerful movie and I am really interested in the polarised comments below. Peoples comments are still just based mostly not all on political bias. I personally believe that MM could not have written this book and had it published if it WAS all lies. Lawyers would have been all over it. What I DO believe is that Presidents are always human beings first. Capable of the same weaknesses of any human being. It is not possible for the people a president serves to know about the conduct or nature of a President unless there are people around to ask the difficult questions. Given that TV stations and newspapers have political leanings it is so important for the public to have every side of the story to make up our minds. Presidents heads of the FBI, heads of newspapers are all subject to being paranoid or corrupt. I for one will support journalists who are brave enough to ask the difficult questions even if they make errors. For what it's worth I also believe Mary Maples felt she and her team were unfairly treated and that she felt some guilt for being responsible for the loss of jobs so the book provides closure for her. Everyone is only focussed on the documents but fake or no there is a bigger picture and I will never blindly support people colluding to maintain or win power or who lack the courage to show weakness
Dan Rather tried to "prove" a story using obviously faked documents and quickly got caught out, so CBS had to let him go. Nothing more than that. Other people in the news business caught making up stories such as Jayson Blair ended up getting the boot as well.
The movie had a low budget and big stars and still flopped. Dan Rather and company deliberately put out a fake news story and got quickly caught, which was why they were let go. Walter Cronkite hated Bush and he agreed they deserved to be fired. End of story.
Rather didn't make an error, he knowingly put out fake documents as real and got caught out. Why he got fired, and even Walter Cronkite, who hated Bush, agreed.
You believe wrong. Dan Rather and company deliberately put out a fake story about George Bush being AWOL from his National Guard service using false documents, got caught out, and they were all dismissed. Walter Cronkite hated George Bush and he agreed that Dan Rather and company were justifiably fired.
Process of Rather/Mapes report on W's military service flawed. They got the TRUTH of the story right: Preferential treatment for W's entry into the Texas Air National Guard, W disobeyed order to take a physical, failure to fulfill terms of his enlistment -- absence from drills. W not only one during Viet Nam war period to get preferential treatment.
I have watched this movie recently, a couple of times, trying to figure out exactly what the point was, it was bazaar how Mapes and Rather ever thought pushing a bunch of copies of copies of documents could be used as evidence, they got them from a so called sick ex veteran etc, who got them from an unknown source who ask to make copies of them and destroy the copies they gave them etc, it was weird. I found it odd they were not stopped before it ever aired. The movie tries to make Rather and Mapes seem like victims and they were anything but victims, they were political hacks in this. I can tell you copies of copies would never convince me of someone's guilt of anything but I guess for people who don't understand the problem could take these documents as evidence but these two should have known better and I say did know better and that is why I say it was a political hack attack on Bush Jr.
Mell, you are 100% correct. The reason they pushed this BS story is because at that time Kerry was losing the "war hero" narrative that he began early in the campaign. He mentioned at the convention "I defended this nation as a young man and can lead it now!". He had is medals and the brave story of how he rescued a fellow vet, etc. But he forgot going before the Fulbright committee and pushing rumors and gossip about so-called war crimes and atrocities. So he trashed his fellow band of brothers when it became the "in" thing to do. And they didn't forget, they did those Swift Boats For Truth ads which were hurting him. So, Rather and his gang felt "we have to do something! W is winning, we have to trash his Vietnam War era "draft dodger and slacker and desertion" narrative. They failed of course but they'll never, ever admit how much they lied to achieve their goals.
It wouldn't have mattered how careful he was in following proper procedure. Bush pals would still have called him wrong even if they had to make something up.
Dan Rather played the ROLE of Dan Rather, Brave Reporter He was a grandstanding egomaniac in there with Bill O'Liarly, Geraldo Capone Rivera, Lyin' Brian Williams, Glenn Cheetos Beck They are ENTERTAINERS first, last, always
people please understand there's a reason why they make these movies there's some truth in them the messenger,such as the truth not only do lies sale the true sales as well pay attention folks and both of them had to deal with the Press
The only truth in the movie is that Dan Rather and Martha Mapes were trying to weasel their way out of being exposed as liars. No wonder the movie flopped when it was low budget.
Wait evidence is there that Bush did recv this preferential treatment to get into the air national guard to avoid going to Vietnam? The Secretary to Col Killian was lying through her teeth in the interview w/ Rather, the son of Killian said that the whole thing was an outright lie, the documents were clearly proven to be complete forgeries.. So, what actual evidence (not opinion, not some possible shill- like the secretary, but concrete objective evidence) is there?
George W. Bush was not a horrible President. . Heck, even the belief that Saddam had WMD has finally come out as FACT, that Saddam DID have, and he did move them as suspected (not to mention, Saddam had used WMD's on his own people).. What do you say makes him a "horrible" President? And, curious your thoughts on the Clintons and Obama?
+KnowledgeInTruth No, that Iraq under Saddam had WMDs has not "finally come out as fact" It has never been and never will be a fact. You can point to all of the fake news stories which point to a news story from the NY Times that depicts a completely different story. The fact of the matter is, there were no such "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq. Also, let not forget that what the U.S. Government classifies as "WMDs" is fairly wide, even relatively small blast radius weapons such as 'Dirty Bombs' are considered WMDs. However, that is not what the Intelligence Reports leading up to the Iraq war depicted. They clearly indicated that Iraq had Nukes.
@@KnowledgeInTruth The answer is: None. W getting preferential treatment is based on opinion, speculation, gut feelings, personal intuition, hairs on the back of your neck, little angels and devils on your shoulders, etc. (stealing from Gene Hackman in Crimson Tide!). Also, Rather did NOT mention in the piece that the secretary hated W Bush and said he had "been selected, not elected". Clearly she was not unbiased. And clearly she had no knowledge of how W got into the ANG. None. BTW many of the officers back then had stated baldly that there were actually shortages of pilots, due to high turnover. I have no idea but that would seem to indicate that the "W got in ahead of others who were passed over" narrative fails right out of the gate!
Isn't it ironic to watch two disgraced anchors discuss the "Truth"?
Yeah, this clip aged well, didn't it?
Dan Rather is not disgraced. Bush is and always will be one.
@@rasco1521
Hes very well disgraced, a chronic liar that finally got caught.
I think somebody other than me came here because of Family Guy. am I right?
Leo Santos same here
Yes 😂
What was on Family Guy?
Two journalists who should have had beautiful sunsets of a career. Instead, both will forever be followed by black clouds.
Which they themselves created.
Matt Lauer getting fired was funny.
So funny
Ha ha 😅
This was in the time (not long ago) when sources mattered. Now people shout information(?) into the camera
This aged like milk lol
Matt Lauer should write his own book.
Just because it’s call truth doesn’t mean it is. Case and point North Korea is called the Democratic People of North Korea. Follow?
And Steve Carrell Plays Matt Lauer on the Morning Show... Ironic
We need reporters and journalists like Dan Rather and Barbara Walters Who are not afraid of power and influence. I believe Dan Rather speak the truth.
Except he didn't. He deliberately put out a fake news story and got the boot for it.
Mat laurer is concerned 😂
Anyone who cares about the news and what has become of it on television should see the movie, read Mary Mapes book and ignore comments by people who don't care.
"I look for a story"
If I can't find one, I'll make one up. Courage.
Gosh I have watched this powerful movie and I am really interested in the polarised comments below. Peoples comments are still just based mostly not all on political bias. I personally believe that MM could not have written this book and had it published if it WAS all lies. Lawyers would have been all over it. What I DO believe is that Presidents are always human beings first. Capable of the same weaknesses of any human being. It is not possible for the people a president serves to know about the conduct or nature of a President unless there are people around to ask the difficult questions. Given that TV stations and newspapers have political leanings it is so important for the public to have every side of the story to make up our minds. Presidents heads of the FBI, heads of newspapers are all subject to being paranoid or corrupt. I for one will support journalists who are brave enough to ask the difficult questions even if they make errors. For what it's worth I also believe Mary Maples felt she and her team were unfairly treated and that she felt some guilt for being responsible for the loss of jobs so the book provides closure for her. Everyone is only focussed on the documents but fake or no there is a bigger picture and I will never blindly support people colluding to maintain or win power or who lack the courage to show weakness
Dan Rather tried to "prove" a story using obviously faked documents and quickly got caught out, so CBS had to let him go. Nothing more than that. Other people in the news business caught making up stories such as Jayson Blair ended up getting the boot as well.
The movie had a low budget and big stars and still flopped. Dan Rather and company deliberately put out a fake news story and got quickly caught, which was why they were let go. Walter Cronkite hated Bush and he agreed they deserved to be fired. End of story.
Rather didn't make an error, he knowingly put out fake documents as real and got caught out. Why he got fired, and even Walter Cronkite, who hated Bush, agreed.
You believe wrong. Dan Rather and company deliberately put out a fake story about George Bush being AWOL from his National Guard service using false documents, got caught out, and they were all dismissed. Walter Cronkite hated George Bush and he agreed that Dan Rather and company were justifiably fired.
Got To Love Dan Rathers
No, you don't. He's a liar. Do you like to be told lies?
Two liars on one show.
That tv show host also talks with the SSSS
Makes me think of how a snake sounds.
I mean, I could feel sorry for their only legacy will be lies and deceive, but I won't. They had it coming for the lack of professionalism.
Process of Rather/Mapes report on W's military service flawed. They got the TRUTH of the story right: Preferential treatment for W's entry into the Texas Air National Guard, W disobeyed order to take a physical, failure to fulfill terms of his enlistment -- absence from drills. W not only one during Viet Nam war period to get preferential treatment.
Nah, the whole thing was a lie. Get over it.
Two of the most credible and honorable men in journalism!
This is sarcasm, right? Both men brought down by scandals.
Hed Rather be fishing!
Love Dan Rather
I am a Bush voter...but I believe Mr.Rather and Ms.Mapes.
I am an Obama voter but I believe Mr. Rather and Ms. Mapes lied. It is a fact the documents were FAKE.
FYI none other than Walter Cronkite denounced Rather for lying. And he hated Bush.
@@shigsho Walter Cronkite hate George Bush but he acknowledged Rather and Mapes lied and deserved firing.
LIAR LIAR
SHUT UP SHUT UP
Disgraced Dan Rather talking to disgraced Matt Lauer and both still grasping for relevancy...lmao.
What's the frequency Dan?
It's in a cab somewhere in Chicago.
You being-90years Monday October-31 ,you are the last of traditional tv,and your face is now the best you’ve ever been🎂
I have watched this movie recently, a couple of times, trying to figure out exactly what the point was, it was bazaar how Mapes and Rather ever thought pushing a bunch of copies of copies of documents could be used as evidence, they got them from a so called sick ex veteran etc, who got them from an unknown source who ask to make copies of them and destroy the copies they gave them etc, it was weird. I found it odd they were not stopped before it ever aired. The movie tries to make Rather and Mapes seem like victims and they were anything but victims, they were political hacks in this. I can tell you copies of copies would never convince me of someone's guilt of anything but I guess for people who don't understand the problem could take these documents as evidence but these two should have known better and I say did know better and that is why I say it was a political hack attack on Bush Jr.
Mell, you are 100% correct. The reason they pushed this BS story is because at that time Kerry was losing the "war hero" narrative that he began early in the campaign. He mentioned at the convention "I defended this nation as a young man and can lead it now!". He had is medals and the brave story of how he rescued a fellow vet, etc. But he forgot going before the Fulbright committee and pushing rumors and gossip about so-called war crimes and atrocities. So he trashed his fellow band of brothers when it became the "in" thing to do. And they didn't forget, they did those Swift Boats For Truth ads which were hurting him. So, Rather and his gang felt "we have to do something! W is winning, we have to trash his Vietnam War era "draft dodger and slacker and desertion" narrative. They failed of course but they'll never, ever admit how much they lied to achieve their goals.
Dan old bean, when you take a story that is based on lies and try and make it true is called what??????.
It wouldn't have mattered how careful he was in following proper procedure. Bush pals would still have called him wrong even if they had to make something up.
Except that it turns out Dan Rather really did lie. Deal.
Seven Saudi ssssoldiers
Seems O. Henry Esk.
Bush was too drunk to fight in nam 😂
And Rather was too drunk to think he wouldn't be caught out putting out a fake story on the news.
Dan Rather played the ROLE of Dan Rather, Brave Reporter
He was a grandstanding egomaniac in there with Bill O'Liarly, Geraldo Capone Rivera, Lyin' Brian Williams, Glenn Cheetos Beck
They are ENTERTAINERS first, last, always
Was watching wwe The great Kamala intro and they referenced thus guy so I checked out first video that came out
Sure, he's not the bad boy.
people please understand there's a reason why they make these movies there's some truth in them the messenger,such as the truth not only do lies sale the true sales as well pay attention folks and both of them had to deal with the Press
The only truth in the movie is that Dan Rather and Martha Mapes were trying to weasel their way out of being exposed as liars. No wonder the movie flopped when it was low budget.
I want to punch the w . Cop 6XX is not just doing his job. But, .
I wonder how old Dan rather is now anyway?
Still trying to influence elections.
He just turned 89.
@@MadMikeSportsYT Tom Brokaw’s 81 now also
"Call no man happy until he is dead." Ask Bill Cosby.
460 years older than relevance. Grannies sitting around watching daytime TV are trying to remember who this nice fella was once
rather is a fake marine. he is in the stolen valor book.
He did try to join the US Marines but washed out. Gomer Pyle, U. S. M. C. was not meant to be realistic.
Bernie for president
Huh?
Nah, we already have a senile old man in the White House. We don't need another.
wow I forgot about this. Bush was not only a horrible president but a horrible coward
Wait evidence is there that Bush did recv this preferential treatment to get into the air national guard to avoid going to Vietnam? The Secretary to Col Killian was lying through her teeth in the interview w/ Rather, the son of Killian said that the whole thing was an outright lie, the documents were clearly proven to be complete forgeries.. So, what actual evidence (not opinion, not some possible shill- like the secretary, but concrete objective evidence) is there?
George W. Bush was not a horrible President. . Heck, even the belief that Saddam had WMD has finally come out as FACT, that Saddam DID have, and he did move them as suspected (not to mention, Saddam had used WMD's on his own people)..
What do you say makes him a "horrible" President? And, curious your thoughts on the Clintons and Obama?
+KnowledgeInTruth No, that Iraq under Saddam had WMDs has not "finally come out as fact" It has never been and never will be a fact. You can point to all of the fake news stories which point to a news story from the NY Times that depicts a completely different story. The fact of the matter is, there were no such "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq. Also, let not forget that what the U.S. Government classifies as "WMDs" is fairly wide, even relatively small blast radius weapons such as 'Dirty Bombs' are considered WMDs. However, that is not what the Intelligence Reports leading up to the Iraq war depicted. They clearly indicated that Iraq had Nukes.
@@KnowledgeInTruth The answer is: None. W getting preferential treatment is based on opinion, speculation, gut feelings, personal intuition, hairs on the back of your neck, little angels and devils on your shoulders, etc. (stealing from Gene Hackman in Crimson Tide!). Also, Rather did NOT mention in the piece that the secretary hated W Bush and said he had "been selected, not elected". Clearly she was not unbiased. And clearly she had no knowledge of how W got into the ANG. None. BTW many of the officers back then had stated baldly that there were actually shortages of pilots, due to high turnover. I have no idea but that would seem to indicate that the "W got in ahead of others who were passed over" narrative fails right out of the gate!
Jew-c