HOW DID I GET A 150K PIANO AND IS IT WORTH IT?
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I would VERY much prefer a 70K Steinway to a 70K car...
Me 2. They last a life time 2 if well maintained🎹🎶
Sorry to say. But they don’t last. A strike is a strike and after about 5-8 shavings on the hammer. The entire regulation is off and often times it needs to be rebuilt and that is very costly.
@@PianoturtleX A strike? 🤔
@@JSB2500 I meant a key stroke.
@@PianoturtleX Hi! I'm enjoying your channel. Today, inspired by you, I worked through Rach C3-I for the very first time. Note perfect taking all the time I needed. Lots of accidentals to keep track of! Hard to believe it was composed by the same person as Rach C2 given that large hands are not required and there are no (hypnosis induced?) rogue notes.
I just started Rach C2 a few weeks ago. I put my first steps on my channel but I've come a long way since. I've got the opening up to speed and fixed the irregular pulse, and learned much of the second movement including the tricky end, and also the beginning and end of the third movement.
About Steinway: I don't know about the maintenance cost, but my main love of them is having no ceiling of volume - necessary with orchestra! I've never played a Kawai though I plan to soon.
I'm an organist to a high standard, and am quite new to the piano. I've lots of accompaniment experience, so Rach C2 with an amateur orchestra is a real possibility I think. Maybe for a promotional reel if not a public performance. Just a distant goal atm!
Keep up your great work!!
PS: I very much enjoyed the solo Rach C2-I on your channel!
Thanks for sharing this beautiful story.
Great video. Reminds me of my piano purchase progress over the years. Upright, studio, then a Kawai. Had the opportunity to purchase my piano professor's Steinway...way back in 1978, but didn't have the funds. My Kawai baby grand does the trick for me.
Thats surely a great piano 😊
Thank you for sharing your beautiful story. ❤
Thanks for sharing your backstory. I really enjoyed it. Was great to learn a bit more about you. Appreciate it 😊
Thanks
My head was spinning from the story. We lost a piano and the entire collection of sheet music in America in the flood. My piano here is still not bad, but we are at war.I had a hard time buying the necessary notes and scores for vocals. Conservatory vocal . Our conservatory is free for disabled people (second education).thanks for the story.
I wanted to add I enjoy your videos very much, as a new subscriber. I don't wear shoes when I play, if I can get away with it :)
I'm decided to start playing piano 3 years ago when i was 30 y.o. After about two months of the torments of choice i bought Casio Privia PX-870. Today I can hear imperfect of its sound, both in headphones and without. Few days ago i meet local music store and tried some of acoustic Kawai. Wow, they are really impressed me in a good way. But acoustic is impossible to play in the flat because of many reasons and I'm inclined to choose between Kawai CA701 and Kawai CA901. Both are extremely expensive for a person who just playing few hours in a week for fun but I hope someday I could play Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsodies 😀 Now I'm practicing Friedrich Kuhlau - Sonatina in C Major, Op.55 No.1
That's mine short piano story.
Good decision 😊
Merci pour ce reportage sur Steinway. C'est un peu la même histoire pour moi: J'ai loué, puis acheté un petit yamaha, puis un G2 (1/4 de queue qui sonnait très bien), puis un très vieux Steinway A américain 1895 en salle des ventes (acheté 20000, revendu 80000 (c'était un piano de collection!), puis, avec cette vente, des prêts et le fruit de mon travail, un Steinway B en 1984 n° 485064 (cela a donc pris 12 ans).
Depuis, il n'y a eu jamais de problème (2 transports) et surtout, même si je ne suis pas concertiste, j'ai le plaisir, toujours renouvelé, chaque matin, pendant que le café coule, de poser mes mains, jouer, improviser avec un son et une qualité de toucher (dernière année avec les touches en ivoire), qui reste exceptionnels. Merci et Bravo ! Jacques.
Super revente waw 😊😅
Very nice story. My model O is about the same years (1974) and was entirely restored by Steinway. I think this is the best way to get a steinway for half of the price but with the same performance of a new instrument.
But I think that the difference in sound and feeling of the keyboard from any other brand is much bigger than a 20%. It’s an entire new world of tones to discover without limitation, even by a non professional pianist. These differences get much more visible when you came back to the old piano. Maybe when you get used with always better and better pianos you risk to forget the gap… but it’s huge.
Exactly enjoy 😊
I have a Steinway B ….arrived Mov 2019; they are still back ordered from COVID….I never leave home for long ❣️🎹❣️
Great story!
Very interesting. Thank you.
Thank you for watching 😊🙏
I have a Kawai and it is very very similar
What year?
1989. Hardly used.
I love that you bought a Steinway. For me the sound of a good Steinway compared to a standard grand is like a painter that has a 1000 times + more colors to choose from.
Second-hand is certainly a good way to go if you can find one in excellent condition, with little wear. You have to take care as some piano dealers will conceal faults on old pianos, or do superficial restorations that don’t cure fundamental problems. You are well-devised to always get an independent expert evaluation before spending money on a second-hand piano. I lost a lot of money on a badly-restored 1924 Grotrian Steinweg grand at once stage, but then I essentially made that up by getting a virtually new Kawai GX2 for half the new price in an auction, and this is the piano I play now. I play much more expensive pianos belonging to others from time to time, Steinway and Shigeru Kawai, but they are only very slightly better, so I am happy with how it turned out.
Thank you
The journey of a musician is one of struggle, specially in classical music (I would know). Thankfully I play guitar, so a good instrument is cheaper, although not so much (one would be surprised to find that great guitars can cost as much as a used Steinway. Anyway, great video.
Than you, yes probably true
Wonderful choice. I have a new model b. Rich in sound and so responsive. There are more models than the a,b ,c and d of course but this quartet are the ones considered as the concert grands and model O M etc salon grands. I expect that’s what you mean when referring to just the 4 models. I went to choose a new O as I has a 1930s model O (one size down from the A) or an A . They had a lovely A but the choice of Bs was amazing and I found a rich responsive one. The cost effective thing is a very good point that the Steinway isn’t worth 10 times more but to a professional pianist the difference is worth everything. If you can’t hear it then it isn’t worth it. I’m not professional but gave had conservatoire training and have discernment. As we have suddenly and luckily found the budget I chose a new Steinway. But a well maintained one of any age is good. Your instrument comes over extremely well on your recordings. Must be an absolute joy in real life. Enjoyed hearing your story and hearing someone speak so knowledgeably about pianos and the thought processes that go into choosing one.
Thank you 😊🙏
My dream is to play on a Steinway piano
Interesting video , I very much enjoyed it. I was encouraged that you talked about Boston. I can never possibly ever afford a Steinway or feel may playing deserves one but I bought last year a Boston concert performance grand . I just felt it ticked the boxes which other pianos did not in my price range. I listened to the end of your piece and noticed you referenced the Kawai as a decent purchase as a compromise, are you saying that the Boston is not as good as
Kawai in your opinion?
Maybe Boston is a bit higher as kaway, but difficult to say caus you can have some very good restaured old kawai
congratulations . If you like the piano , get it. Life is short and sometimes and opportunities may be rare. I recommend a Steinway trained technician or the one who works for the symphonic orchestra nearby. The sound level is high due to small room. You will have to adjust your technique when playing on a regular stage.
I know ad i do, room is isolated so sound is good 😉
My teacher who is a very great pianist teach me abaut the pianos for study and he says to me that these pianos, is for break it in the study bc a stenway is a very delicate instrument and is not worth enought to expense that money. But of course you can buy what u want and if you want and deserve a stenway buy it.
Steinway is solid, I play Liszt and Rachmaninov on it for hours 😉
I also have a Steinway C from the 1970’s, fully restored when I bought it from the specialist auction in London … I find the tone clearer and more bell-like than most B models I’ve played at conservertoire & university and it’s very comfortable on the ear, even when playing for long sessions; do you find the same comparison?
Yes the sound is really nice.
As a german piano builder I can say you wasted your money. Its the brand you pay. There are several top quality german instruments and even in my opionion with a more beautiful tone than the steinway model c. I personally prefer grotrian-steinweg. Have a good day, and why cant I see a hydrometer?? srsly you will loose so much money if your grand piano is not in the correct enviroment! :3
Well as I pianist I tell you I tried and know what I bought, you can build a piano but I can tell wich piano sounds the best and respond to a pianist needs, there is a dampchaser in the piano and a hygrometer 1m of the piano.
@@horoffra Thanks for responding! I mean there is nothing to judge on that instrument, its made in finest quality and if its suits what youre searching for you made everything right. And it calms my mind that you have a damp chaser because it would break my heart. You told in your video you were searching an instrument what comes close to a steinway, but you couldn't afford it at that time. And don't get me wrong but I also play piano, I am working on feux follets (no joke!) right now, I have firends wanting just steinway unless I told them to just try out the pianos "blind" by not seeing the brand and just playing and listening to the tone. And bet what, no one decided to steinway. It's not that I hate that brand but psychological our brains wants the best, whats high in value. It makes us think that it will be the beautiest. But I am so damn sure if you try it in your free time, "blind" by not seeing the brand, you will decide to some other piano. Im really really really sure! Guess what, some of my friends still bought steinway xD knowing its not their best "tone" but knowing having a brand like this. As a piano builder I want to give all brands the chance to get played, because its so different in tone and playability.
@@thomasw.8029there is a reason Steinway pianos populate the major concert halls around the world and Grotian steinwegs don’t. Ok Yamaha cfx, bechstein, kawai shigeru and fazioli get a look in and Bosendorfer imperial, but Steinway is still favoured by many top flight concert pianists and top technicians who select pianos. Just because you’re learning feux follets doesn’t mean anything. I’m learning all 12, and used 4 including chasse-neige for conservatoire finals when I was awarded a 1st and it means absolutely zero in terms of knowing about pianos. However I have researched and listened to pianos and the Steinway model B is what I chose brand new and it is worth every single penny. However what is also needed is an expert technician who can keep it in good condition. I divide my practice between it and my Yamaha hybrid - the avantgrand n3x as I have children who go to bed when I am practising so I use headphones. It gives me a realistic touch because it has a full action but they hit sensors not strings. I am not a concert pianist. I chose a different career after postgraduate study. In my 40s I find myself with several hours a day again to practise and I’ve got my playing back. I will only ever do casual concerts. That’s fine. But I have an instrument that is an absolute joy. I have been fortunate to both be able to have it and have practice time again. As well as playing the major makes I spoke to some concert pianists about it. And technicians. Although I’m not a concert pianist I can play to the standard. I have had masterclasses with world renowned pianists. When I played chasse-neige to a top flight pianist (ex Tchaikovsky comp winner} he praised my technique and musicality
I couldn’t have tried to make a career out of it as it takes more than being able to play pieces to a high standard. There are many conservatoire graduates like me who pursue other careers. I admire Sebastien and those who do. What it means though is I do have an ear for what is good. I know when a piano responds to your every nuance. A well maintained Steinway is like no other. But you do get some pianists who choose otherwise.
When I was buying my first piano (after having played on a somewhat cheap digital Yamaha for a year), I was actually looking for another digital piano, and the piano seller just told me to also play on the acoustic ones since I'm already here. And I played some of them and one stood out in particular to me. It was a Schimmel upright with silent system and I knew then and there that I needed to have it. Of course I spent 5 times the amount that I planned, and that was also what the piano seller hoped for lol, but I'm really happy with my purchase and my piano technician always tells me that I found something good when he comes to tune the piano.
The Model C is relatively rare. Steinway only make it in Hamburg, and not in New York. The Model B is of course much more common.
Yes but you surely can find one 😊
@@horoffra Vraiment, - mais pas trop souvent!
I was so happy that you actually compared a kawai to a steinway. I recently upgraded to a new Kawai GL30 after having a Yamaha upright for 25 years. I'm an intermediate enthusiast player non professional but I am getting my new kawai regulated and managed by a concert technician by spending a little on the technitian to take the best out of this GL series instrument rather than pay for the higher series. Their GL japanese made pianos are very commendable and have a sweet tone.
What do you feel about the tonal difference between a Kawai and now the older Steinway after having a kawai for so long ?
Cheers and love your work and playing.
The sound of the steinway is surely better but kawai is great too 😊
@@horoffra if a used steinway was difficult to find or afford ..what would be the next ideal piano new or old you would recommend basis your experience for home use for someone who is an intermediate player?
@@izz0408 a Kawai from the 70-80s or a Boston
@@horoffra amazing thank you
Hi sebastien ! I am also belgian currently living in Chile. Have you tried Feurich ? I would love to buy the Feurich 162 but unfortunately I am considering the upright Feurich 122 because I do not have enough space. Could you share your thoughts about this brand ? Thanks a lot. Have a nice day.
Hello, nice, i never played on that brand, but im sure it must be good for its price range.
@@horoffra ok thanks !
You didn't say much about the Boston you had. How did your Kawai, Boston, and Steinway compare?
Kaway and boston are similar, steinway is def a bit better 😊
I am a pianist and I have to endure playing Boston and Essex at my different workplaces. I can tell you they are quite crappy pianos, even though they are supposed to be labelled Steinway. They are in no way close to the real thing.
I have a grand Kawai at home and I prefer it so much, even better than practicing with a Steinway.
Boston is not steinway but still good, but every piano can be bad if it is badly maintained
You mentioned that you currently live in the apartment. Do your neighbours tolerate your playing and practising? I am asking because many people who play piano have problems with their neighbours.
Yes, i have only people downstairs and its quite well isolated and they also play piano.
@@horoffra That is awesome! Probably that carpet bellow the piano also absorbs a lot of sound and vibrations.
Interesting story :) is the keyboard action heavy?
Its on the heavy side
do you recommend a heavy action or light action? for professional pianist and students studying at conservatoire?@@horoffra
wait you started at 18 and are a musician! I am in the same boat- 18yo starter; please share some of the things you learnt from your journey.
I started at 13 😊
@@horoffra well anyways, any tips for self learning?
I have Petroff piano from 60's in perfect condition.
Nice 😊
Interesting. That's a great video. I would only suggest considering some hammer voicing in order to improve the tone a little bit.
Steinway is a good brand but its often overhyped. Bechstein, Boesendorfer and Fazioli are great options as well.
Yes thats done sometimes but since its played 8h a day it goes too 😉
It seems to me that with a Steinway grand there is no ceiling to the volume and power you can produce (limited only by your body), which is important if you are playing un-mic'd with an orchestra IMO.
This might be true of those you mentioned, but all the other pianos I've played, including one on your list, max out in my experience.
For solo use it's a different story. Other factors are more important, I think we'll agree.
For home use: if you are playing a Steinway for concerts it's surely useful to learn on one? I find them difficult to play at speed compared with all other pianos I know. I'm mostly talking about very old ones with high inertia (big bass hammers).
Well those are my thoughts for the moment! 🙂
how big is that room? it looks very small. is it not unhealthy for the ears? im asking because im my room is also small like that and i thought having a grand piano in it could damage my ears
I did a lot of isolation 😊
@@horoffra hmmm nice if it works. Maybe ill buy a grand too then
The Steinway decal on your piano is way too thick to be genuine Steinway. It looks aftermarket which means the piano has probably been rebuilt, or at least had the case refinished. You should follow up with the dealer you purchased from if they did not disclose this
🙄 you think your a specialist?
@@horoffra There’s no need to be defensive. You should read “the official guide to Steinway pianos” by Roy Kehl and David Kirkland. It documents all Steinway logos and decals from 1850s to modern.
Sorry I must correct Boston grand performance edition
Did your girlfriend ask for repayment? Or she gave you as a gift?
She never paid anything was just in the contract as garanty…
Poor dear. The guys with expensive instruments are usually the weaker players. Get out there & play for People. Never play like a sissy.. a gentle piece can show your Command. Express YOU. That's they pay for.
I do go out and play for people
@@horoffra of course! That's the job. I was just kidding & got a big bite from you. All the best & keep playing mate.