2020 Subaru Legacy | The Sedan You May Have Overlooked
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2019
- Normally wagons live in the shadows of their flashier and better selling sedan counterpart, not so for Subaru's Legacy however where the Outback wagon manages to outsell the Legacy by nearly 5:1. Some companies might have just ditched the sedan altogether with that kind of sales imbalance but Subaru decided to bring both vehicles to America for 2020. In a shrinking sedan market AWD seems to be the feature to look for and not everyone offers it. That said, since this video was recorded we now know that the Avalon, Camry and Optima are all getting AWD very very soon...
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The reason to go with with Legacy over Outback should be more than just that you like sedan styling. It is a more fuel efficient vehicle. If yo have no use for the extra luggage room, then why not go for the vehicle that consumes less fuel and is slightly cheaper? Some people strictly need a commuter car.
Subaru does not disappoint.
I think Subaru's car is better than Honda or Toyota.
This is hands down the best car review I’ve seen in past year. You go over practical aspects most others ignore. Engine placement, trim differences in one clear shot, wheel affects. You deserve a lot more views. Salam my man!
The Outback looks like the Legacy's maiden aunt.
I ordered the top trim of this car (2.4 Turbo GT in Canada), picked it up in October. I prefer a lower ground clearance than the Outback. The ride, handling and power are all stellar. The infotainment system takes a little getting used to, but it's big and bright and responsive and easy to use. The CVT-turbo combination is very responsive. The conservative styling may not be to everyone's taste but the body lines and contours are quite elegant in a subtle understated way, classic. The running lights are distinctive and sexy as hell.
I like that they gave it a soft suspension tune.
Have a 2021 Legacy Touring XT. Those seats are the most comfortable I've had in any car. They are what sold me on it more than anything else.
The legacy and the passat are the only two cars that look like a normal car.
And by normal, you mean good right?
Mazda 6?
Merry Christmas Alex and all AoA peep - you all are super premium auto review for us regular folks. 🤓
Merry Christmas to you, your family and the AoA team
Incredible detail and comparisons. Best review format I have seen yet.
Excellent review 👏 I really appreciate all the effort put into this. The details, the ratings, other vehicle comparisons, the differences in trim, very well put together and has helped me more than what I imagine going to the dealer and having him explain everything on the spot. I will be shopping for a new vehicle come July and hoping there will be great deals on a new Legacy. Thanks again my friend!
I purchased the 2019 legacy.... 0 financing and it is the car that will take me into retirement.... Handles perfectly in upstATE SNOWS, so I’m loving it!!!
I strongly considered the 2019 last year but decided to wait for the next gen. Either way, you can't go wrong.
Congratulations.. for how much?
Aniruddha Dravyakar The car was 32000
andrew scala nice 👍🏻
andrew scala I have driven 4 accords in the last 20 years (the seventh generation was my favorite, now is my nephews car) and because of the accords new look ... and my wife just got a new Outback (REALLY NICE) I will get a Legacy which I will as well drive into retirement. Wife says the Outback is her last car purchase too. We are both 61. Too bad they build them so well and advanced, huh?
I'm tired of boxes and heights: that's why I'm getting a sedan. Plus i only compare touring models among what you compared. BTW: The Legacy Touring XT is quieter than all lesser trims because it has acoustical glass all the way around whereas all other Legacy trims have front windshield acoustical glass. The Legacy Touring XT trim has turbo standard. I've done the details which you touched on . . . you did a GREAT job . . . on the same comparison makes with all being the top line trims . . . mostly called "touring" trim . . . so apples to apples . . . Legacy wins. Also, that big touch screen is an homage to Tesla; Subaru top engineer in that area has an affinity for Tesla. FYI: I'm walking away from a 2000 Toyota Sienne XLE with 250,000mi and I still can't kill it! Also owned Hondas. Been thru many small cars with college children and hubby with trucks/SUVs . . . lets just say the mom want's to go to midsize zip in comfort and this made my head turn from a Lexus and Audi. (which are in the family, too).
This is coming from a Subaru owner: I was going to buy one back in November actually. But I was very dissatisfied with the infotainment screen. I thought Subaru of all manufacturers would have kept their system simple and robust. It takes 3 inputs just to get to the seat heater and back again. That's 5 seconds where my eyes are off the road just to adjust the seat heater.
Not to mention the reliability. If the infotainment screen dies in 8 years the cost to replace it may be greater than the value of the car.
Really disappointed in Subaru for making such a dramatic change like this.
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You are the typical Subaru owner, very pragmatic. I agree with your thoughts. Buyers often get into the smart phone view of cars instead of long term vehicles.
Not to mention the cracking windshields that subaru owners are reporting. The problem still have not been solved, 2019 models are also experiencing the problem.
I'm sure you would warm to it.
I agree. I hate that the infotainment screen replaced 99% of the buttons. Overall though, I love the car
Wait a year or two and you'll see those buttons coming back.
Honestly the 2.5 is such a good highway car. I consistently almost get 700 mile son one tank.
Alex told me to comment so to show my love and support, here is my comment.
I purchased the XT after seeing this car at the auto show last year. It’s the complete package. Up here in the pacific NW where you have more rain than any other form of inclement weather the AWD can be a life saver when driving on roads at highway speeds with standing water. These cars are rare. Outbacks, Foresters and Impreza’s dominate the roads up here when it comes to Subaru. I don’t have dogs or a house full of kids so no need for an SUV. I ordered Pearl white with black leather interior and had the windows tinted for a very impressive looking vehicle.
Merry Christmas Alex! Thank you for all the great reviews over the years!
Hanukah for Alex
Purchased the Legacy Touring XT and the quality of this car is in the inside! Plus the engine is really great.
You doing a great job Alex. I have always liked the Legacy wagon offered in Europe but after watching most of your reviews I think the Outback is the real deal 👍
Love your reviews , Alex . Thanks .
Great review..I have the legacy touring XT ordered.Love the Napa leather and awd.My wife has a touring 2019 Forrester and loves it.
Can you tell me more about why you love it? What has been your driving experience ? How about acceleration, gas mileage and features. I'm debating between the XT limited and the XT touring
I have a '19 Outback and '22 Legacy. I much prefer driving the Legacy, as it's smoother and the seats are more comfortable. The Outback is of course more handy.
There was a time the Legacy was a small Japanese sports sedan/wagon that gave other premium entry sport sedan/wagons a run for their money. Now its nothing more than a vestigial organ off the sales juggernaut of the Outback that can barely compete in the American family sedan segment. While Subaru of America pretends it can compete, if they market it as the "SUV" of family cars. This used to be one of the most popular cars in Japan and Subaru of Japan doesn't even bother to market it in Japan. It has been effectively replaced it with the smaller and sportier Levorg in Japan. However, in North America we don't get the Levorg and instead get this afterthought of a sedan. The best thing for Legacy would be for it to go back to its sports sedan roots and divorce itself from the Outback platform. Or else it will continue to be an irrelevant sedan that Subaru of America sells just to fill a void in its lineup.
A direct disadvantage of the boxers, at least on four-cylinder models, is that you have two cylinder heads and two sets of valve train components. Increased complexity.
Get ALL of the HVAC controls out of the screen Subaru!! Where did ergonomics and driving safety go when that design was approved??
tesla syndrome ... but better than the 'cheap tablet adapter' look that a lot of manufacturers use; Mazda being a prime example of doing it terribly ... I'd pass on a vehicle with that for its competition it is such an eyesore, cheaply done/integrated. When spending tens of thousands of dollars, cheap/bad aesthetics are a no go for me. Rather find a well cared for used car instead, and there are some high end luxury cars for pretty cheap if I were to choose between say a mazda/toyota/honda new with a bit tablet that looks like it was glued to the dash with a kit from a parts store bargain bin. Imagine reaching up to those touch screens vs even this car.
So I do agree its a little weird, like the tesla thing or a prius with no gauge cluster in front of the driver ... but better than the lazy approach even luxury cars, not just 'mazda' are using these days to have a screen people shouldn't be staring at while driving anyway. HUDs that display more and more information in a controlled, concise way at the bottom of the windshield is far better for the supposed purpose of easier to glance at (which I believe is not that, but COST cutting).
But, I'm yelling at clouds, if I'm to be honest. What I feel the real problem is ... cars are designed by accountants and people working 'jobs', not careers of passion. I believe a lot of people we have today that create and influence the designs in the companies, studied and applied for the jobs because it paid well, not because they have an innate passion for vehicles. They are like a used car salesman I met once and tried to 'talk cars'; he said 'they get me from point A to point B' ... well then, I don't have anything to say to someone like that and I won't buy a car from them. I already will know more about the vehicles on the lot more than even seasoned car salesmen that actually like their products ... but when they just don't care ... well, that is how I feel most cars are designed.
Now, there are some gems in the rough. I think the BRZ in particular is well designed aesthetically from the shape of the body to the font and style chose for the gauge cluster (not so much the last part for its FRS/86 counterpart). If we go back a bit, I feel the VW Phaeton is also one of those cars that the inside is pretty damn well designed, even if the outside is a bit utilitarian. Hell, I'll even throw in the CT 200h as a decently designed car ... both the interior and the exterior ... even compared to what I'd consider its cousin, the Scion/Corolla iM-hatch (the back end of those, something doesn't sit right in my eyes, too slope-y).
Speaking of gauge clusters, this car has a pretty clean looking one without being to bland, especially for its market.
And I do appreciate how AoA channel reviews vehicles. No fluff, not repeating tropes, no bs. Just great car reviews without the snark.
You have buttons and full auto. You literally just hit up or down for temp with the physical buttons and it will even change the seats for you too.
Toyota Camry Pros: FUN, HANDLING!?!? Damn, Toyota really did a 360 with the new Camry! The competition really can't match
Sadly the accord sonata and k5 beat it in every way
But I personally own a 2020 XSE v6 and I love it
There are so many legacies and outbacks here in New England, they should put it on the state flags. I had a 2006 model for 8yrs, reliability is ok, although that car had a rather harsh ride, no headroom, the interior was kinda cheap looking, I guess to keep the cost down. It blew the head gasket at 120k. BTW, you will still need the snow tires at winter, don't expect magic from the all wheel drive on its own with cheap, all -season tires.
Frank Sz Yes I’ve heard head gaskets are a problem with Subarus. I wonder why? And because of the boxster design, there are 2 heads, not one.
@@alliejr - I was warned by another Subaru owner, who had a few Subarus since the 90s and he was telling me to get the head gasket replaced around 90k-100k. I was a bit skeptical about his recommendation and actually I didn't notice it first when it was blown, just the car was lacking a bit of power and the check engine came on and the scanner was giving me a code for having a lean mixture. As far as I know, it's a shortcoming of the engine design itself, since it is really the same engine for 2 decades now with Subaru re-tuning it over and over to keep up with the competition. It's the same engine across all their vehicles from the Impreza to the Forester or Outback, doesn't matter.
Also to be noted, the all wheel drive system on these cars are prone for wheel bearing failures, I replaced them twice over 8yrs of owning it, maybe the setup puts too much stress on the wheels, the way the all wheel operates, I don't know.
I drove thru Vermont this past summer, and I basically saw a Subaru in every other driveway. Not exagerrating by much, either. I think they've fixed their head gasket issues for the most part, from what I've heard.
@@Neanderthal75 Thanks for 'keeping it real' Subaru is definitely a step down from Toyota in long term QDR.
yeah, people need to realize AWD does ONE thing. Mildly helps you accelerate better in moderately slippery conditions. It WILL NOT help you turn or stop. A RWD car with snow tires will drive circles around an awd car with summer tires and still has double or better the control of all seasons. IIRC, Tire Rack and Tyre Review tests, if we take snow tires at 100% grip, all seasons will be around 1/2 that, summer tires will be around 1/10. Don't take my word people, look it up.
My personal experience with a RWD sports car was, summer tires - can't even move up a 2 degree incline, just spins. Winter tires ... almost feel confident enough to auto-cross the damn thing. Can get it to drift if you try, but it stops, turns, and goes as if the road was dry with the snow tires, while the summer tires you literally could feel you were on ice and snow; like wearing slippers on an icy sidewalk vs non slip work shoes.
I wish Subary would offer the Legacy Wagon, with the same ground clearance as the Legacy sedan.
Yeah it's weird how they make body styles model exclusive despite "other" model being identical, its the same with WRX and Levorg. And it kind of extends to engine and transmission offerings, they easily could offer 2.5i engines in models from 2010s in XV/Crosstrek/Impreza with manual transmission just as in Forester and same with Levorg with WRX's manual transmission. Tho thanks to how they just all share components it's something that more willing owner could do on their own, but going into trouble of engine, transmission or suspension swaps is quite challenging even if its almost interchangeable. Subaru offering such from factory would be much better
Waiting on my XT to be shipped in. My dealership has a ton of base, premium and limited trims but only 2 XTs and one touring that we’re sold months ago. I’ve seen one XT on the road up here in Outback Country ( Pacific NorthWest) I like how rare they are.
I think you may have talked me out of the Legacy and into the Outback. At the very least I want to drive one before I decide. Thanks for posting this great video!
Alex, I really have come to enjoy your auto reviews and evaluations. You have a very logical, conservative and comprehensive end product. In fact, as a budding UA-camr (motorcyle related) I have an enormous appreciation for all the work you put into your reviews (and editing). What video editor do you use if I may ask?
Overlooked because I thought it was an old car, not a new one.
Exactly! The wider the tire contact area, the louder the tire noise. The tire compound and tread pattern also come into play. Tire circumference or wheel size do no effect road noise, only ride quality.
Merry Christmas 🎄to you and family 🎁🎉❄️🌟
My wife hates wagons and loves salons/sedan cars. So we got the 2021 premium legacy because she "just likes the sedan styling".
Subarus always seemed like “sturdy” cars to me. A lot of sedans look flimsy. I think I want this
Exactly right. Other cars feel tinny after driving a Subaru. The doors close with a "thud", not a clank.
Great video Alex. I'm telling friends about your channel. I do have 1 question. Will you or have you ever done a review of the 2018 or 2019 or 2020 Subaru WRX and/or WRX STi? Cheers.
Is that band-aid on your finger the reason we had fill-in reviewers? Alex are you well? Do you have finger....Lol merry Xmas and thanks for the great year of amazing reviews. You give all brands your best..
Great information and review as always. Actually like the Legacy and now that the Outback has grown so large, would rather have the sedan. And, I checked online, Outback outsells the Legacy in the US about 5:1- approx. 165K to 32K through November, 2019 for MY 2019.
We have a 2019 Legacy Limited 2.5i and from all accounts the changes between that and 2020's with 2.5i are mostly visual. The Harman Kardon speakers are amazing and I appreciate that the passenger seat is power adjustable. The adaptive cruise control is very smooth and doesn't needlessly tap the brakes all the time etc like I feared it might. The leather is cushier than the other 2 leather seated cars I've owned.
Unfortunately the rest of the car is really lame. The boxer engine's growl under acceleration might be music to somebodies ears but to me it's just loud, especially at cold startup. The CVT isn't any more awful than any other CVT but its only benefit is helping MPG. In most ways it detracts from enjoyment for most traditional car enthusiasts. The car is SO softly sprung it can bob and wander on imperfect roads. One thing we didn't fully notice right away is that the lower portion of the seats is quite small. Seemingly not even a tiny bit bigger than our Focus or Cruze seats. The 2020 top trims have that extendable thigh support which I'm envious of. The touch screen system in the 2019's is kind of a mess, especially the Tom Tom factory nav. Overall, I'd say you pay a price in refinement and functionality to get that magical AWD.
I like it. I wish there were buttons and knobs for the HVAC system, however. The comments on the CVT are bunk. 21K miles on my '19 Forester. I like it. Very smooth and returns fantastic MPG.
Kevin Ricks 21k miles is just breaking it in. many of us run our cars to 200k+. CVTs may be the future, but for now too many people are having serious issues for a lot of us to consider them.
They are good, If you drive normal and don't tow they can make 200k. You try hot rodding it or try to pull a trailer you will be in trouble. Some people can drive a car and make it last forever, some people are idiots and can tear up anything.
Wanted add the Ford CVTs are junk. The one in my C Max only lasted 62k.
@@russellnewmexico1 Right you are Mr mm1 . Outbacks had major problems and now the Ascents, don't believe me go to the Ascent forums and look at all the CVT transmission problems. CVT's are only ok for small front wheel drive cars at best.
@@sowelltrain7342 was wondering about that, big SUV, turbo motor and that little CVT stuck in between
Real good breakdown of the legacys completion and how fair the pricing is with the features on each trim. I take exception to the amount of time the Altima is mentioned though. The Altima is not full time AWD and the computer is not as quick to react as subarus since the legacy is full time awd. That's not a big difference until you are going above 45 mph in which case the subarus are the best value AWD cars. Driving an outback is a VERY unique driving experience where as a legacy seems more familiar to other cars. The legacy is the safest family sedan out there, but if you don't need the size or the speedy engine the Impreza by far the best affordable/safest car under 30k out there.
I have one of each...
Got the Legacy because I didn’t need 2 SUV body types but I still wanted an AWD daily driver
Awesome Select option play.
I think the 2020 Camry TRD looks amazing. And sounds great
Excellent review as always, I live in Canada and AWD is a must, therefore deciding between an outback, a legacy and actually a CX30
Aravind Krishna I have a 2015 Mazda3. I really don’t need AWD. I have been able to get through 6” of snow with proper winter tires and common sense. But as I am now doing backroads, I might consider AWD.
Legacy is just much cheaper than outback, likely because dealers are more willing to offer a discount on sedan than SUVs.
The Legacy is almost the same price in Canadian dollars as it is in US dollars the US, go figure.
Awesome info
Alex, the seat extension is missing on the seat range of motion graphic.
I’ve always wondered if videos can be updated.
On Black Friday I bought a 2017 Legacy Premium. It has a trunk, a REAL key, NO remote start (If I can start it remotely so can someone else!) and the Eyesight system for just UNDER $14,000 with 63K miles. I live in northwestern Colorado and AWD is virtually mandatory to drive on the Interstate between September and May with Colorado traction laws. Very good find and price.
Cant beat the style of subaru legacy 2015-2017
Would’ve been nice to have some Malibu stats included in the comparison charts.
HI Alex, love your videos. Question: when it the best time to buy a new car? At the moment, Subaru is offering zero interest for 63 months. (this question is dated 4/23/20)
Merry Christmas Alex, Team A on A and SUBSCRIBERS, Everything the Legacy does the Outback does better. Furthermore I suspect the AWD Camry and Avalon due in 2020 will knock the Legacy down another peg or two. Now we need a new Venza to go head to head with the Outback. @SaveTheWagon
Except fuel economy! We own a 2017 Outback and now looking to get a more fuel efficient vehicle with AWD. I drive 30K miles a year mostly highway so I'd save a good bit with the Legacy vs the Outback. The XT version still gets 32mpg on the Hwy which is outstanding for a 0-60 in 6 seconds vehicle. We have the Outback for hauling and town driving and Legacy fits the bill for the Hwy miles. But you're right about all other aspects of the camparison!
@@jitengori9268 Maybe Subaru will come up with a Hybrid version to up the mpg.
@@rightlanehog3151 Hybrid Outback would be great if they can keep the HP and torque number close to that of the turbo engine and still get mid 30s on the Hwy!
I bought a legacy this week because I needed a car and there were huge discounts. The biggest problem for me is that I didn’t realize the legacy, unlike the outback, has zero towing capacity. Great car, great deal, if you won’t be towing anything. It also has no roof rack.
Absolutely agree with you Alex, a Subaru Outback makes more sense and is a pragmatist’s choice.
Alex apparently the new Kia Optima/K5 will be offered in AWD as well in contrast to its Sonata cousin. Which would give buyers even more options
The Buick Regal is also worth mentioning, I know it will be discontinued but right now they are offered with huge discounts.
I wouldn't recommend getting a soon to be discontinued car. You will pay double to find oem parts after awhile
I agree unless you do some research and the company has promised to keep making OEM parts for at least ten years after being discontinued.
Probably is the best option for someone that already has an suv and needs to commute in a comfortable sedan that feels better than a fwd (no doubt about it) the Legacy is the best choice by far without breaking the bank ...
I have the 2012 base model and it drives good, not driver focus and sharp like the previous civic that I had but it's a softer ride ideal for everyday commute and highway cruiser.
You always like to say that wider tires mean more road noise and the reason why this car is quiet is because of the narrower tires. I want to point out that’s not always true. A car with low road noise is more due to the car makers paying more attention to reducing NVH and not just the width of the tires. For example, a Prius or Mitsubishi Mirage have very narrow tires but they have tons of road noise because of cheap suspension design and having little to no sound deadening.
I'd get an Outback. I like the styling. It is not available yet in Japan, but judging from the previous Gen it might be a very comfortable car.
It is long though so my wife will struggle driving it :)
Kia Optima (K5 name maybe, TBD) is bringing Awd to the scene too. No word if it'll be available with the new 2.5T yet.
The boxer style engines are a pain in the ass to work on, even a simple plug replacement becomes a chore, not to mention legendary head gasket failures.
No no no no. False. I have a legacy with the 3.6r engine and I do all the work on it. Spark plugs literally take 1 hour at most if you know what you are doing and have the right tools. Head gaskets have never been an issue in 10 years so get off that train. Btw the oil filters are on top on most new ones and the alternator, belts, battery, air filter,differentials, trans and coolant is easy to access. Do you own one? I have owned 3 subarus, legacy 3.6r, outback 2.5i and a crosstrek and none of the powertrains have been issues to work on.
@@Hallowsaw The couple of people I've known with Subaru vehicles had the same issue I mentioned, I guess you should count your blessings
@@Hallowsaw Drop your bull. They leak. For 20 years Subaru said, "we fixed it this time"; and yet, every time problem exists. No longer 75K miles issue but still an issue. About 135K for sure. You owned all these you say, but no mention that few years ago Subaru recalled engine blocks. In fact, my neighbor claims his Forester is on the 3rd engine and it is not an old car. Seriously, as Pedro said, I don't know anyone who had a Subaru long term and did not have the engine issues. Subaru is also notorious for parts freeze. This is when you are forced to replace 2 parts instead of 1 when they freeze together.
@@Hallowsaw the one thing he's right about plugs are more difficult even if u know what you're doing.. a I4 it's right there 😒 no special tools required
And they’re NOISY. Leaky, noisy waterboxers.
DriverFocus is very cool - it adjusts the seats and even side mirrors to your position, for up to 6 profiles. It also tracks your gas mileage individually, so I can compare my driving versus my wife, for example. I see “Antuan” has a profile but you did not. Did CNET have this loaner before you? Try it out it’s more than meets the eye.
If only Subaru would take the front clip off of the Legacy and slap it on the Outback...
wish they still make the legacy wagon in the US
They do...it's called the Outback.
AlaskaErik regular Legacy wagon for people who don’t want the suv/tough look
Sorry no more Subaru’s for us. The 17 XV Crosstrek is noisy and the technology is terrible. The boxer engine seems to languish in time. The only real upgrade has been the CVT. We will be turning in this lease in a few months. Will be looking at the hybrids now.
Good call. Once bitten twice shy.
Camry Hybrid!
Legacy to me is the "reliable Passat". I do like the more conservative styling. But I also do love the new Camry and Altima. I'd have to test drive each to make a decision. I do remember driving a rental 2015 Altima S and I was impressed. The seats were extremely comfortable, soft suspension made it great for NJ potholes. Definitely not a sports car but very roomy and comfortable. So for me it would come down to these three Altima, Legacy or Legacy. I test drove the Accord back in 2015 and I felt the seats weren't as comfortable and the headroom not as good as the Altima. I'm 6ft tall.
CVT's should not be used in large cars like this. They only put them in cars to gain a few MPG's and to meet a price point, NOT long life and durability.
Subaru please put more resources into developing a new transmission and less into cute virtue signaling commercials .
To be honest Alex I would say you’re very close and what you said I Daly a 13 Legacy 3.6 R it’s been a great car!
Watch those head gaskets!
A watched gasket never blows.
Subarus are like those beautiful girls next door - you know, they're an awesome match, they are outshined by others.
Funny how these guys are talking about other sedans now coming out with AWD but none of them telling you it’s only the Legacy that gives you standard AWD, has been and perhaps always will. Both Nissan and Toyota now introduces AWD on their sedan versions but you will have to pay about 2000 more for that AWD system. In addition you will have to settle for their base engines, not their turbo or V6 models. With Subaru it doesn’t matter, has been and always will be in any model and trim level standard. Save for the BRZ which is a joint venture between Subaru and Toyota. I respect and love Alex on Autos, he’s one of my favorite but most of them don’t tell you the whole truth. Ever wonder why the Altima is roughly about 2000 more than the Subaru? And the Toyota Camry is even higher in its base AWD version. Here’s the sad truth Alex, Subaru holds it value better than Nissan and right there with Toyota.
no need to say tablet computer. a tablet is a computer. It's like saying laptop computer, its redundant. Great vid as always!
Would've loved to see a comparison between the Legacy and Mazda 6.
Many markets outside of US either don't sell a Subaru sedan or they offer it with either AWD or FWD. The Legacy is a decent sedan, but the Subaru boxer engine is never as efficient as similar output inline fours, and they could increase the appeal of all their models by offering a choice of FWD. Unless you really need 4 wheel drive there are better sedan choices, and the Outback makes more sense for folks that really do travel off road and want to carry camping and extra gear. Good review as always Alex. 👍
Wrong AWD in Subaru is not the same as other systems and is superior to fwd only.... Subaru also gives AWD standard wheres other brands charge for it or don't offer it
@@truckercowboyed2638 So what if the Subie AWD is different. People that don't need AWD or any form of 4-wheel drive are just fine with front wheel drive and Subies are not as fuel efficient as comparable front wheel drive cars. If you love your Subie or your cowboyedtruck that's great. If the Legacy was more efficient and sold as a front wheel drive option they would cost less and more would be sold. Car & Driver review of the 2023 model: The Legacy is a decent family sedan, but standard all-wheel drive and a plethora of safety tech does not a compelling automobile make.
Can say i have a 06 Lagacy non turbo and runs great
Happy New Year, Alex and crew. Has the excessive oil consumption issues with the Subie boxer engine been resolved? Recommend LEASING... not purchasing.
My 2013 Legacy started excessive oil consumption at 60k miles. Dealer did oil consumption tests and said it was within specs, still have issues in between oil changes having to buy quarts of oil out of pocket. Disappointed with Subaru's lack of help with this issue which appears quite common with many of their cars. 😔
Not sure why subaru still makes this if they barely sell any. Camry AWD is going to absolutely slaughter legacy sales.
TFiPW I guess you haven’t been to new england
Exactly!! I've been saying since the debut the Toyota Avalon/Camry, Honda Accord turbo, and Mazda 6 turbo have way too much power going to the front wheels which makes constant torque steer and wear on the tires. Mazda is coming with awd soon also. Hopefully Honda will follow!
The new Sonata and Camry are gonna murder this car and outlast it. Subaru has terrible quality issues that they haven't fixed for 20 years.
@Qahar Raheel Every other aspect of Subaru has been underwhelming 😂
@@austing4321 Bullshit.
The Outback is more expensive than the Legacy, it is 150 lb heavier, has a higher center of gravity and is less fuel efficient.
The Outback is as high as my Mazda CX-5, mine also weighs less (2020 weigh about the same) and drives better.
I don't buy the argument that the Outback drives more like a car, unless you compare it to body on frame SUVs. The combination of a heavy, high center of gravity vehicle with a tad weaker base engine and CVT made the Outback a non attractive option for me. If I had to compromise on such a vehicle, then any crossover could be considered as well.
In sedan form, the Legacy always had the advantage of having AWD. In the past, it was considerably slower and less fun to drive then the FWD competitors, also based on your previous Legacy review. It seems today it is better than ever and almost up to par.
I wish Americans were smarter, a non-lifted legacy wagon would have been available. It could cost less, have better fuel economy, drive better and weigh less, with being as practical as the Outback minus the ground clearance, than not everyone needs.
Long live the legacy wagon! My favorite car
The Regal TourX is very car-like and and can be had for low $20's with 2.0T and torque vectoring AWD.
@@normt5463 Discontinued, unfortunately.
Also, heavy.
@@DavidDLee our 2018 TourX Preferred weighs a svelte ~3,700 lbs. Making the brand new Outback heavier and Volvo look like a fat pig!
Boxer engine keeps the engine mass low though. My '16 handles tight. Can't speak for the '20's.
What are the other choices you said we’ll see in March/April?
i would get a last-year's model [next year] base model or demo model, that would have everything i need and some things i don't need [push button climate controls for instance. the outback doesn't really have enough extra [and costs a lot more] to justify the extra expense for me. my main thing is the AWD is handy for where i live and the soft ride is essential for the busted country roads i have to live with day in and out.
Most ppl over look it because it looks like a car from the 90s. Subaru needs to step up in the design department, honestly ALL their models need new designs.
Merry Christmas! I would get the Legacy because I still like a car vs an suv.
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I've owned both Toyotas and Hondas and they are excellent cars. I currently drive a late model Honda. But I like the Legacy styling better than the current Accord and Camry. Just can't cotton to the "New" accord styling and the Camry just looks overcooked. Would I choose either of those over the Legacy? Hard to say, not having driven them in person ... and in the end I'm a practical person - you spend your time in the drivers seat; not standing around outside analyzing the styling of the vehicle ... as long as it's not just flat out ugly, which none of the three are.
Alex, thank you for the review. In terms of the tires, what do you recommend? what type of tires that need to be replaced the current ones. I'm about to lease the XT Touring. But I know for sure that the tires that need to be changed in order to get the best experience from such Turbo engine. I heard this from many car enthusiasts. Thanx!!
Bann Abood Does the stability system have to change with a tire size change?
I hope the Camry or Avalon AWD comes in a wagon body style 🤞
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I wouldn't count on it, not the market for it. I don't know the sales numbers for the Altima AWD but I cannot imagine they move that many
I have an Outback in Englannd and want a Legacy 2.4T Touring XT here in Spain BUT they aren't available in Europe, unless someone can tell me different! I'm even thinking of importing one from the US.
Can you list front headroom? You do it for rear why not front please.
Test drove a Outback and Legacy limited model back to back and hands down the Legacy rode better and seemed more premium to me. Since I already have a 19 Forester the Legacy was my pick.
Have you made a new Subaru purchase yet?
@@terrykeith1921 Yes- 20 legacy limited 2.5
@@paulhenry913 how are you liking it? What kind if mpg are you getting? How are you coping with the infotainment? Thanks man.
@@wtfx5757 I get 35 mpg on the highway mid 20's in city. Infotainment is nice no problem easy to use. S/S is a little bit of a pain to turn off. Overall a great car so far
What, Alex? This does not have disadvantages? Then why Subaru gaskets are so notorious? And oil distribution inside cylinder? Come on! These engines are notorious for high maintenance cost! In the upright engine you just pull the head, replace the gasket. Here, you have 2 heads, 2 gaskets and you need to pull engine out to do the right job
I'm curious if the large screen is distracting at night? Personally I find that a darker cabin improves visibility of the road, and I wonder how much light the screen is adding to the cabin.
Jon Moyer I have 2019 e class with massive dual screens. I dim the speedo screen and turn off the infotainment screen completely off most of the times. I hate theese massive screens.
Alex, the Buick Regal is also another sedan with AWD which is completely ignored in your review. Otherwise you are correct (the Buick competes more with these cars than the higher end BMW). Also, boxer engines are harder to change the spark plugs - otherwise they are very similar to the other designs. Last, since the Outback is higher off the ground, handling is not quite as good.
to compete in this segment and with it's wagon variant i think they should order a Fwd option as they do in the rest of the world so can cut the msrp further
The Legacy needs a protective pkg w/bulletproof windows, doors, panelling & a reinforced protective shell over that along with a biohazard pkg.
Oh & an updated flux capacitor plus you can never have too much cow bell either!
You need to take it easy......real easy.
If they put an optional stickshift in the XT model, I think it would be a hit for subaru enthusiasts. It would be a great replacement for my 2005 Legacy GT 5spd
They have dropped manuals on various models for one reason only - they DON'T sell.
@@worrywart1311 I completely get that it's a niche product these days, but it would reel in buyers from other brands.
A LOT of people refuse to call the Outback a station wagon, and Kia calls the Carnival(a vehicle which is VERY clearly a mini-van) a MUV(multi-use vehicle). I think it's funny how much Americans despise wagons and mini-vans considering how many popular vehicles are, in fact, wagons and mini-vans.
Probably the fact that it's lifted - ever since the 4th gen came out for 2010 it's really been more of an SUV than strictly a lifted wagon
Probably the most compelling reason to get this is if you want something that's more conservatively styled. Most cars in this segment are arguably overstyled which can be off putting to some. Also it seems to have really good visibility, which is getting harder to come by.
Other than that, not sure why you wouldn't just get an outback or something else. AWD has never been appealing to me. I think it's more marketing than anything else. I'm sure it helps with vehicle stability, but at the end of the day, good tires and safe driving make the most difference.
That big screen seems really cumbersome to use though
Agree about looks. The Camry is painful to look at. The Legacy borders on boring, which may be a good thing.
totally agree.. i worked in a industry 4wd and Awd was required and back in the day more vehicles ended up on the roof just as easy regardles.. modern stability control was a big game changer..
The Legacy is sold as Fwd trim in the world.. which cuts the maintenance and repair cost as people forget about these additional costs when buying especially when purchasing used which goes for any vehicle with a AWD or 4wd variant
AWD is a feature that is important to a lot of consumers out there. Especially the ones who live in climates where it snows or who live in zones that are mostly gravel. I chose an AWD when I had to trade in my FWD because I was getting stuck in snow during the winter. After my purchase, snow was not a problem. Don't confuse this with what you said: good tires and safe driving are important. Once your 4 tires hit black ice, there is really not much anyone or any car can do. Plus I have data in front of me that tells a different story than what you think: AWD is important to a lot of consumers.