It seems many of them are rebelling against their own rebellion. First going against the grain of uniformity then circling back around from a new perspective. It's as if first people conform because everyone else does, then we fight against that with elaborate clothing, then we find a deeper since of freedom in our new found conformity. I enjoyed this, interesting reflections. I don't think I will ever become a monk but I think elements of the monastic life outside the dhamma center can be helpful.
The 'real' robe is not shown here. It's called an okesa and it wraps around the kimono. Those bibs they're wearing is a raksu and it is representative of the okesa. In some Zen lineages, they're hand sewen using a particular kind of stitch.
Actually the Okesa is worn on top of a Koromo--a pleated black robe with lng sleaves representing China, which is worn on top of a Kimono representing Japan. The Okesa represents India where the design comes from. The Rakusu has the same pattern as the robe. In most American Soto Zen lineages today both the rakusu and the Okesa are handsewn by the aspiring student under the direction of a sewing teacher.
Monk 1: "I don't think anyone comes to wear clothes like this just *snaps* out of a void or one day you go 'I don't think Barny's Basement Sale doesn't work for me anymore, I think I'll wear a black robe of a Zen Buddhist Monastery'." Me finding this video after searching for where to obtain Zen Buddhist robes out of the void one day: "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" Monk 2: *speaks about how the robes give you anonymity through uniformity* Me, the only person who would be wearing said robes in the region making me highly identifiable: "Uhhhhhhhhhhhh" On a more serious note, enjoyed the video. Thanks!
I found this very interesting, however, I noticed that this video included a second commercial near the end. Which is different from your earlier videos. I have nothing against using commercials in order to finance your channel, however. These commercials in between the program seem to disrupt the video and it's essence. Perhaps an idea would be to add on in the beginning and when the video is over, or when the people are done talking?
I have been wearing a certain kind of clothing of one sort or another for quite some time now. No particular reason other than the clothing I wear is rather robust and plain and yes... Some might even say austere... It also happens to be of natural fibres and entirely black...This mode of dress conveniently seems to reflect my outlook on various aspects of life and issues of the world I live in.. From time to time many who have met me and bothered to get to know me might regard me as "monk-like" and there have been stages in my life where my lifestyle could have been considered by some as of one of the tonsured. yet I have never tried to create this impression in others, it's just that the choices that I have made have led to others assuming and reacting to me in a way that they might think as appropriate to react to a monk. It suprises them and sometimes shocks them when I say or do something they don't expect as "normal" for their idea of what it is to be a monk until I choose to remind them that I am not indeed a monk... For me to think feel act or speak in a certain way comes naturally as breathing.. it is me simply being as simply as my nature allows me to be. I have an appreciation for such philosophies and find the notion of eternal karma appealing... another delusion I probably should eventually get around to dealing with... Were I to adopt proper robes of a monk I doubt many who know me would be surprised... Maybe one day... Until then I think I'll keep to my current mode of attire and if I harbor any concerns I'll keep them more to what I do and not so much to what I wear.
The Robes worn in East Asian Buddhism, primarily varying forms of Zen, are the same for both men and women. Shaving the head when residing in a monastery is required unless the matter is discussed with your senior teacher and approved by the Abbot/Abbess. If you leave the Monastery after receiving Dharma Transmission to start a Zen Center, then the rules are set by you. I hope that answers your question.
Ok. Personally i'm very interested in Buddhism. Love the dhammapada, the work of Shantideva e.d. Very inspiring. But why you want to clothe yourself as a person of another continent ? Are you not creating just a another strong " I " or identity. To me it feels like a dress up party. It got nothing to do with philosophy, introspection or letting go. Zen practice great. But please don't put just another "jacked " on.
My thought as well - different stuff does not change anything - but as a munk says :"it reminds me..." so it can have a function to remind. But I agree with you, to do som introspecting requires som mind and setting.. or does it ? ;-)
It's far more functional. 1. It's easier to sit cross legged in robes than pants. Definitely more comfortable for long hours of sitting. 2. Traditionally, robes were passed down from master to disciple. This has evolved into a practice of sewing your own robes and with each stitch taking refuge in buddha. its a meditative practice. Know something before you speak out against it.
Sorry, but they're allowed to show emotions, in fact they usually feel them much deeper than most people because they're more intuned with everything, especially their own body. The difference is control, they're a post to learn how to control themselves so that they can help others, even in bad times.
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It seems many of them are rebelling against their own rebellion. First going against the grain of uniformity then circling back around from a new perspective. It's as if first people conform because everyone else does, then we fight against that with elaborate clothing, then we find a deeper since of freedom in our new found conformity. I enjoyed this, interesting reflections. I don't think I will ever become a monk but I think elements of the monastic life outside the dhamma center can be helpful.
"Always two they are.No more,no less.The Master and the Apprentice"
The 'real' robe is not shown here. It's called an okesa and it wraps around the kimono. Those bibs they're wearing is a raksu and it is representative of the okesa. In some Zen lineages, they're hand sewen using a particular kind of stitch.
Actually the Okesa is worn on top of a Koromo--a pleated black robe with lng sleaves representing China, which is worn on top of a Kimono representing Japan. The Okesa represents India where the design comes from. The Rakusu has the same pattern as the robe. In most American Soto Zen lineages today both the rakusu and the Okesa are handsewn by the aspiring student under the direction of a sewing teacher.
Monk 1: "I don't think anyone comes to wear clothes like this just *snaps* out of a void or one day you go 'I don't think Barny's Basement Sale doesn't work for me anymore, I think I'll wear a black robe of a Zen Buddhist Monastery'."
Me finding this video after searching for where to obtain Zen Buddhist robes out of the void one day: "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
Monk 2: *speaks about how the robes give you anonymity through uniformity*
Me, the only person who would be wearing said robes in the region making me highly identifiable: "Uhhhhhhhhhhhh"
On a more serious note, enjoyed the video. Thanks!
Same! Lol.
Same lol
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wow !!! so inspiring !! Thank you
I am practicing to have the same life style in the valley. In a hectic world city.
Soto Zen Buddhism Law is the very good,
I found this very interesting, however, I noticed that this video included a second commercial near the end. Which is different from your earlier videos. I have nothing against using commercials in order to finance your channel, however. These commercials in between the program seem to disrupt the video and it's essence. Perhaps an idea would be to add on in the beginning and when the video is over, or when the people are done talking?
I have been wearing a certain kind of clothing of one sort or another for quite some time now. No particular reason other than the clothing I wear is rather robust and plain and yes... Some might even say austere... It also happens to be of natural fibres and entirely black...This mode of dress conveniently seems to reflect my outlook on various aspects of life and issues of the world I live in.. From time to time many who have met me and bothered to get to know me might regard me as "monk-like" and there have been stages in my life where my lifestyle could have been considered by some as of one of the tonsured. yet I have never tried to create this impression in others, it's just that the choices that I have made have led to others assuming and reacting to me in a way that they might think as appropriate to react to a monk. It suprises them and sometimes shocks them when I say or do something they don't expect as "normal" for their idea of what it is to be a monk until I choose to remind them that I am not indeed a monk... For me to think feel act or speak in a certain way comes naturally as breathing.. it is me simply being as simply as my nature allows me to be. I have an appreciation for such philosophies and find the notion of eternal karma appealing... another delusion I probably should eventually get around to dealing with... Were I to adopt proper robes of a monk I doubt many who know me would be surprised... Maybe one day... Until then I think I'll keep to my current mode of attire and if I harbor any concerns I'll keep them more to what I do and not so much to what I wear.
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me too; i tried every morning but then i forgot, or rushed, or had been tempted by the breakfast.. etc. we should.
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So there are different uniforms for men and women? Is shaving head obligatory?
The Robes worn in East Asian Buddhism, primarily varying forms of Zen, are the same for both men and women. Shaving the head when residing in a monastery is required unless the matter is discussed with your senior teacher and approved by the Abbot/Abbess. If you leave the Monastery after receiving Dharma Transmission to start a Zen Center, then the rules are set by you. I hope that answers your question.
Wow Thank you!
***** You are far from freedom from delusion. Release yourself from attachments to forms
The person was asking an honest question. That's a good thing.
Ok. Personally i'm very interested in Buddhism. Love the dhammapada, the work of Shantideva e.d. Very inspiring. But why you want to clothe yourself as a person of another continent ? Are you not creating just a another strong " I " or identity. To me it feels like a dress up party. It got nothing to do with philosophy, introspection or letting go. Zen practice great. But please don't put just another "jacked " on.
My thought as well - different stuff does not change anything - but as a munk says :"it reminds me..." so it can have a function to remind. But I agree with you, to do som introspecting requires som mind and setting.. or does it ? ;-)
It's far more functional.
1. It's easier to sit cross legged in robes than pants. Definitely more comfortable for long hours of sitting.
2. Traditionally, robes were passed down from master to disciple. This has evolved into a practice of sewing your own robes and with each stitch taking refuge in buddha. its a meditative practice.
Know something before you speak out against it.
Environment motivates practice and practice motivates environment. As anyone training anything.
The dress and formal practice was taught by zen monks. These rules are established by the actual school and the lineage won't be abandoned.
Zen has been in the US for over a century. It isn't something from another continent. Stop being so intolerant.
So, does anyone know where this is?
There are Zen centers all over the US but I haven't looked where this particular one is but it should be findable.
This was filmed at Zen Mountain Monastery in New York State
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Uniform hahaha that's how to be different 🤣
Real Zen Buddists aren't allowed to show emotions
That's not true
False.
One wonders, might you be referring to Zen Vulcans?
Sorry, but they're allowed to show emotions, in fact they usually feel them much deeper than most people because they're more intuned with everything, especially their own body. The difference is control, they're a post to learn how to control themselves so that they can help others, even in bad times.
This comment is pretty funny.
I dislike these robes. It's like fashion show at the forest. I know its traditinal japanese but its too fancy for me.