The connection between The Beyonder and Lucifer Morningstar is that they are both characters with unimaginable power who are some of the most powerful characters within their franchises and are more powerful than everything else in their respective Multiverses.
This was a great battle animation so far and the results were good That both beyonder and Lucifer reality warps the entire background making this more interesting
The Beyonder is comparable to Lucifer Morningstar The Living Tribunal is comparable to The Spectre The One ☝️ Above ⬆️ All is comparable to The Presence and The Phantom Stranger
5:48 I was talking to myself saying this guy probably loves the batshit insane considering he used to word just a while second ago and also in Armstrong vs Valentine he also used it alot
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 there is no proof they are just as powerful as each other only thing is lucifer has better feats number 1 being he actuly killed a corrupted pressance beyonder as no feat at all even close to that at any point even now or back in his PR days. they are even on metafiction or the ability to leave the comic ect.. lucifer has higher showings in power by him killing a corrupted pressance and higher INt beyonder is like a kid on his battle IQ and IQ over all. the only way possible to prove it would be is if we had Beyonder beat the one above all in a simular fashion. PR beyonder highest self stated power is he could wipe all creation agian this is only a statement statments are not as powerful in debate as shown and prooven lucifer showed us he not only could take a blast that will Wipe all creation but just stand there and look at it with 0 efect on him. So what ever so called proof you think you got it is not proof at all as it has to show greater then what has been shown by lucifer and Beyonder just dont have showings of that level. best you got is a self statement. Lucifer has showings of his power and where he is and showinf of how smart he is. Beyonder does not have the same level of showings at all.
This was pretty good. If there is one thing that Lucifer is the best at is trickery. And Beyonder was too overconfident and trusting which lead to his downfall.
I think the episode was good, but I have some issues with it, one of em being the shakey cam and how much it takes away from the focus of the episode, the voice actor could have been better and some lines felt a little bit too try hard at times, there are some good lines tho and I do still like the dynamic so it's not all bad imo
I love how much of an absolute mindfuck the animation wasz It does a way better job at showing just how incomprehensible these people are then anything possible The kill was genuine hype as hell and Lucifer just flipping off an incomprehensible being beyond comprehension is so funny. Peak fiction
I knew who was going to win but the fight turned out better than I thought. As for the next episode, I felt Bender has a good shot at winning. Although Roger with many personas of his could manipulate Bender doing what he wants. At the same time, Bender would have the superior default stats. He also possibly much older due to a lot of time traveling. Not only that Bender's nastiness could work to his advantage against Roger too.
I swear the amount of times Marvel passes Beyonder's powers among characters is starting to rival how many times Galactus losing to insert popular character of that time. (Also despite what some people say, this MU isn't just because "They're powerful" I mean kinda but also another connection that nobody has mentioned was that, -They are both parts of a duo/Trinity(Cosmic Cube and the three archangels). -However they would then get into a disagreement with the others(Beyonder arguing,then fighting Molecule Man over the existence of the universe{I think} and Lucifer questioning and arguing over why God could command his children) and they would also get into quarrels with their creators. -This event would later be the reason why they were got in trouble. -Because they were powerful,they found life boring and couldn't find a meaning. -They also made the people below them suffer in different ways(Beyonder making all the heroes fight eachother and Lucifer tormenting the demons in hell). -At multiple times in their stories,they would become humans. -They also had multiple people trying to get their powers and would actually succeed.
Atp I don’t even know anymore bro this thing has been going on for far too long the cosmology is way to big ima need a crash course on this These franchises have been around for 85 and 90 years if they were people they would have grandkids and those grandkids would probably be like 22 years old😭🙏
@@a-force9255It's funny how you still manage to show reality warping and cosmic destruction better than Strange-Fate and Man-Surfer. Two episodes of DeathBattle which have lots of opportunities to show reality fucks and total destruction with a budget still manage to feel not that impactful as a small indie show that most people don't know.
@@a-force9255 and one more thing this episode gets a chef kiss Hands down my favorite episode Keep up the good work And remember don't ever say your series is bad it isn't
Actually, marvel's beyonder should be really fighting dc's anti moniter. Both are responsible for marvel's secret wars and dc's crisis on infinite earths. Which both storylines deal with their own multiverse, both beyonder and anti moniter serves as the main antagonists in their storyline.
Lucifer as a show is one my dad loved before his passing right up there with cobra kai It was an honor to voice him even if I wasn't good I just hope that people don't unfairly judge this episode considering the kind of person I was
The kind of person you were? Don't give me that bullshit purple, stop trying to hide behind a new name, even if you have "changed" (you haven't) that doesn't change shit, shut your damn mouth. If you wanted to change you would have done what I told you to. do, changing your name and just hiding just shows you haven't. I'm sick of you. You make me sick.
Simple answer- if molecule man can control the power then lucifer can control beyonder's power (that's the thing.... Lucifer can manipulate power of Michael)
@@Xyrethial when prb existed then TOAA was not in marvel😂😅 PRB wanted to be god of universe (like in this video) but he was never stronger than TOAA) Pre retcon means beyonder got retcon (so writer was able to retcon beyonder) ToAA is representation of writer's will Lucifer is above retcon
People of the beautiful Internet I see that you have very high discussions about the subject so to put them all to rest. I know it’s been like six months or something, but if everyone still gives a dam about this. I have a solution quite simply all of you who do give a care about it. I know some of you put a lot of detail on Afer so simple as this one of them choose a champion to be the scaling for the beyond are the other for Lucifer morning star. You both have the right to talk about each feet watch scale and slowly see which can go beyond the other. You must give each over time and space to give you example and try to outdo the other, be fair and logic and respectful. We will treat this like a debate, not just scaling and power, but get fax examples and to make a very clear choice of Howard would truly go down, but let’s not diminish the work and strength of the creator who put all this effort to Gever God thank you for doing so I hope you have a fantastic day and wonderful time for yourself creator of this UA-cam channel. Make sure you get plenty of rest. You deserve it. Make sure you drink water eat food and all that good stuff you deserve it. You’re fantastic and wonderful and so does everyone here even though I don’t agree with a lot of people sometimes, especially that Gorgo fan I’m sorry but when I heard planetary where are you sore like multiple examples? I’ve been destroying Farmoor than that either you are extremely capping will you cannot see that he’s beyond planetary much much beyond that I got it. I don’t like overpower characters, Marvel has the same thing, so they sometimes have a good storyline, but let’s not forget. Michael has its own screw up so that’s not put that down. Anyway, I’m not gonna keep that dragon this down I wish for every single one of you even the people I may not like to have a good day wonderful afternoon and remember to always look at yourself in the positive energy because we all deserve it even the people who do you mean nothing to you please make sure you bring positive energy. It’s better for everyone else and God bless everyone.
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Marvel has created a being that was poorly written. Marvel Secret Wars was great, but like the movies, the sequel Marvel Secret Wars II sucked. Lets lay the basics The Presence and one above all cannot defeat each other because they are both Omnipotence. but Marvel introduced another character that is equal to both of them and that is "One Below All". However, when Marvel introduced the Beyonder, he was given a label of his plane of existent is above the plane of "one above all". This means that "one above all or the Presence and one Below all cannot go to the Beyonders Universe and erase it because the Beyonders plane is on a higher level...but the beyonder can go down a level and erase the existence of the "one above all's" Universe with ease and likewise for the beyonder going up another level and erase that level above him if there is another level above him. Marvel noted that "the beyonders" powers is a Million times greater than the sum of "one above all's infinite Universes. So there is no possible way for Lucifer or any ranking #2 to defeat the Beyonder because even if they have the power to recreate an infinite universe, Beyonders powers is still a Million times greater than its Sum. Marvel Secret War II just didn't do the Beyonder any justice because when marvel realized that they created a god greater than Stan Lee "One Above all", they immediately nerfed him. but then turned around and created another god "One below all" thats going to sit in limbo and collect dust. My guess "one below all is "Jack "king" Kirby". One above all, the presence, and one below all was never given a power meter like the beyonder, but to me the sum of their infinite creation is a millions times less than the power of the beyonder. take that with a grain of salt. In Secret Wars 2 Owen, Molecule Man shot the Beyonder with a metered FULL blast, a blast strong enough to wipe out billions of universes and didnt phase him and Molecule man is "OP". his blast was strong enough to kill 3 "OP" beyonders that killed the Marvels abstract like Living Tribunal
Agreed. It's such a frustrating conversation to talk about. A lot of people really don't understand how powerful the Beyonder is. It doesn't help that he has been written progressively weaker in each appearance. The Beyonder was the original version of The One Above All. The original appearance of the beyonder, usually called "pre retcon beyonder" is likely one of the most powerful characters in fiction period. However, due to his countless retcons and the introduction of the One Above All, new age comic readers don't really grasp the concept of who the Beyonder was supposed to be and what he represented back in the 80's when he was created. If the beyonder had never had another appearance after Secret Wars II and TOAA was never created, people would not be saying Lucifer beats him. However, his reputation is permanently ruined now because of what the writers have turned him into.
@@booperhero8982 I totally agree with you. Finally someone read and understand who marvel created, and frankly, I totally loved his creation because he was such a badass character. The only thing I didn't like about the story of secret wars, was the fact that they made him naive. Beyonder by default is everything the One Above All X1 million. Which means he has omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. And with that, as soon as he entered One Above All's universe he would have automatically known about everything, past, future, what is and what would be. He didnt have to be a child and learn anything, but it was kinda nice innocent touch to the story that later made worst in the sequel Secret Wars II when he has to change as an infant for Doctor Doom to manipulate Molecule Man to kill the Beyonder, which there was no way that should have happened. But it was part of the nerfing. By the way when Doom stole part of the Beyonder's power that would have made him more powerful than One above all...just saying. Dazzler also became second most powerful for a short while when he gave some his power so that they can be together but she refused his offer and took his power back. which means = there was no way for Lucifer to beat Doom or Dazzler at that time. I would have love to see Dazzler relevant again. Secret Wars was an awesome story, that and the Mutant Massacre Story is my all time greatest
@@ramiroequipilag1316 Agreed. PR Beyonder was on completely different league above this regular one. Only 3 Ivory ings were enough to kill the Living Tribunal across all realities and Molecule man had the power of all of them combined. Despite that MM stated just like normal human are compared to him, he is same to the Beyonder. Even the author who created the Beyonder said, he is all omnipotent, omnipresent in his realm and if the fight were to happened there with TOAA then Beyonder will emerge victorious. When all the other authors nerfed him, it was painful to listen.
@@MrAGgamingYT i know right. Beyonders didnt need to be nerfed he fit exactly what he was created which is above the TOAA, and Im fine with that because he is a badass Character. The three beyonder still powerful enough to easily kill the like of Living Tribunal and those three beyonders are part of advance race. they were the creations and servitors of the Celestials, who named them Omegas in opposition to the Alpha, the First Firmament. They are intended to maintain the Multiverse and they do their work from outside of it of our multiverse
this battle was rigged beyonder is high outerversal, lucifer is just merely complex multiversal and marvel is bigger then DC wth is wrong with you deceiving others
@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 ... Didn't he beat like 3 nigh omnipotent beings?- 2 unnamed ones (stated to be Omnipotent but if an Omnipotent being can be beaten, then they are Nigh Omnipotent) The Presence
@@deathbow555 those are all complex multiversal and he didnt beat the true form of presence which is the creator he only beat his avatar, according to vs battles wiki hes complex multiversal bcs of these feats: As the son of God, Lucifer and Michael are stated to possess power that could rival their Father. When the WORD dissipated, and creation fell into chaos, Lucifer stated that, had it not been for the extraneous circumstances portrayed in Destiny's book, Michael would have been able to take up the seat of God. Lucifer should naturally be capable of the same. Time and Space are extensions of the mind and will, which he embodies as he's divine will that shapes creation. Was stated to be more powerful than Dream of the Endless. Escaped his function and went outside of the Presence's plan. Destroyed Logos with a touch. Logos is the first word which sung all of existence into being.
@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 you shot yourself in the foot there... "We can logically assume because Micheal can possibly take God's place, Lucifer might be able to as well" So your saying that they could possibly become Omnipotent, which can't br scaled and is absolute power basically, aka unbeatable. Both Micheal and Mucifer are Nigh Omni, which can be argued to also be unable to be scaled cuz it's basically "I do whatever the flip I want"
I can’t stand DC. Lucifer is a planetary level threat at best. Regardless of all the overpowering 1UPsmanship that DC constantly takes part in, the Beyonder is a multiversal threat. Sorry. Lucy loses
@@peristera-bettyiliadou3271 I don’t need to know Lucifer. All I need to know is DC and how they love to overpower their characters. Case in point, a character based on theology that represents the evils in mankind. DC takes him and turns him into a multiversal powerhouse. There’s just no room for nuance in that design. To each their own. I’m just pointing out another reason why DC characters blow chunks🤣
@@peristera-bettyiliadou3271 You named 3 characters. Of those 3, none have their own comic book. 2 out of the 3 rarely make an appearance. In DC, every big name character is described to be as “strong as Superman”. Batman is a human who can bear every character in the DCU IF given enough “prep time”🤣. I can go on but I’m debating a fool whose idea of providing evidence is by attempting to insult me by calling me a Marvel fanboy. That lame shit doesn’t bother me in the least. I knew the difference between Marvel and DC when I was 11 years old. Not much has changed. You think the DCEU is a failure for because of anything other than the fact that their lame characters don’t translate well to the big screen. The best you can hope for is parody or campiness. It makes my laugh to myself knowing I made the right decision when I was 11 choosing Marvel Comics over DC
@@verbalkint3447 batman with his strongest hellbat suit could hardly beat darkseid and every time hes fought supes with prep supes said he was holding back or else he would have demolished bats also batman never said he can always beat everyone he can beat metahumans like aquaman but would get erased by more stronger beings even with max prep.Your boy doom on the other hand defeated the beyonders and is arguably stronger than toaa while being human so whos the fool now ?🤣🤣
"So powerful... complete... and so FUCKING STUPID!" Gotta be the rawest versus animation line I've heard in a while
Thx
Y’all really need to keep this up this a gem
The connection between The Beyonder and Lucifer Morningstar is that they are both characters with unimaginable power who are some of the most powerful characters within their franchises and are more powerful than everything else in their respective Multiverses.
You just said 'theyre powerful' 3 times for their connections
Oh 😅
@@rpmblack7892cuz they're *THAT* *POWERFUL*
They’re not the most powerful people in their vers3
@@I_lovethicthighs He said "Some of" implying he knows there are entities that are way above them.
This was a great battle animation so far and the results were good
That both beyonder and Lucifer reality warps the entire background making this more interesting
Amazing episodeeee
The Beyonder is comparable to Lucifer Morningstar
The Living Tribunal is comparable to The Spectre
The One ☝️ Above ⬆️ All is comparable to The Presence and The Phantom Stranger
5:48 I was talking to myself saying this guy probably loves the batshit insane considering he used to word just a while second ago and also in Armstrong vs Valentine he also used it alot
Well done 100% agree with this assessment.
i dont its been proofen that hes wrong
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 there is no proof they are just as powerful as each other only thing is lucifer has better feats number 1 being he actuly killed a corrupted pressance beyonder as no feat at all even close to that at any point even now or back in his PR days. they are even on metafiction or the ability to leave the comic ect.. lucifer has higher showings in power by him killing a corrupted pressance and higher INt beyonder is like a kid on his battle IQ and IQ over all. the only way possible to prove it would be is if we had Beyonder beat the one above all in a simular fashion. PR beyonder highest self stated power is he could wipe all creation agian this is only a statement statments are not as powerful in debate as shown and prooven lucifer showed us he not only could take a blast that will Wipe all creation but just stand there and look at it with 0 efect on him. So what ever so called proof you think you got it is not proof at all as it has to show greater then what has been shown by lucifer and Beyonder just dont have showings of that level. best you got is a self statement. Lucifer has showings of his power and where he is and showinf of how smart he is. Beyonder does not have the same level of showings at all.
This was pretty good. If there is one thing that Lucifer is the best at is trickery. And Beyonder was too overconfident and trusting which lead to his downfall.
Hey, Thanks for doing this for us
I think the episode was good, but I have some issues with it, one of em being the shakey cam and how much it takes away from the focus of the episode, the voice actor could have been better and some lines felt a little bit too try hard at times, there are some good lines tho and I do still like the dynamic so it's not all bad imo
I certainly respect the criticism, will try to get better with the next episodes😉
@@a-force9255 I'll be looking forward to see how it goes
I love how much of an absolute mindfuck the animation wasz It does a way better job at showing just how incomprehensible these people are then anything possible
The kill was genuine hype as hell and Lucifer just flipping off an incomprehensible being beyond comprehension is so funny.
Peak fiction
I knew who was going to win but the fight turned out better than I thought. As for the next episode, I felt Bender has a good shot at winning. Although Roger with many personas of his could manipulate Bender doing what he wants. At the same time, Bender would have the superior default stats. He also possibly much older due to a lot of time traveling. Not only that Bender's nastiness could work to his advantage against Roger too.
I swear the amount of times Marvel passes Beyonder's powers among characters is starting to rival how many times Galactus losing to insert popular character of that time.
(Also despite what some people say, this MU isn't just because "They're powerful" I mean kinda but also another connection that nobody has mentioned was that,
-They are both parts of a duo/Trinity(Cosmic Cube and the three archangels).
-However they would then get into a disagreement with the others(Beyonder arguing,then fighting Molecule Man over the existence of the universe{I think} and Lucifer questioning and arguing over why God could command his children) and they would also get into quarrels with their creators.
-This event would later be the reason why they were got in trouble.
-Because they were powerful,they found life boring and couldn't find a meaning.
-They also made the people below them suffer in different ways(Beyonder making all the heroes fight eachother and Lucifer tormenting the demons in hell).
-At multiple times in their stories,they would become humans.
-They also had multiple people trying to get their powers and would actually succeed.
Atp I don’t even know anymore bro this thing has been going on for far too long the cosmology is way to big ima need a crash course on this
These franchises have been around for 85 and 90 years if they were people they would have grandkids and those grandkids would probably be like 22 years old😭🙏
I don't know why but I really fell in love with this episode
First of all I love the editing as usual
Also you did both of the characters right
To hear that sweetened my day :)
@@a-force9255It's funny how you still manage to show reality warping and cosmic destruction better than Strange-Fate and Man-Surfer. Two episodes of DeathBattle which have lots of opportunities to show reality fucks and total destruction with a budget still manage to feel not that impactful as a small indie show that most people don't know.
@@a-force9255 and one more thing this episode gets a chef kiss
Hands down my favorite episode
Keep up the good work
And remember don't ever say your series is bad it isn't
@@mandycolosseum2989 Thanks a lot! People like you make it worth working on it.
You not foolinG me Chad, I know Boomstick when I hear Boomstick
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Awesome Episode and Based Lucifer W
Hyped for the next time too
Actually, marvel's beyonder should be really fighting dc's anti moniter. Both are responsible for marvel's secret wars and dc's crisis on infinite earths. Which both storylines deal with their own multiverse, both beyonder and anti moniter serves as the main antagonists in their storyline.
Yup! Oblivion feels more like Lucifer
I love this épisode
It deserve the wait
Funny purple demon is lucfier voice actor
This is the next all powerful match up lets go
Lucifer as a show is one my dad loved before his passing right up there with cobra kai
It was an honor to voice him even if I wasn't good
I just hope that people don't unfairly judge this episode considering the kind of person I was
The kind of person you were? Don't give me that bullshit purple, stop trying to hide behind a new name, even if you have "changed" (you haven't) that doesn't change shit, shut your damn mouth. If you wanted to change you would have done what I told you to. do, changing your name and just hiding just shows you haven't. I'm sick of you. You make me sick.
Simple answer- if molecule man can control the power then lucifer can control beyonder's power (that's the thing.... Lucifer can manipulate power of Michael)
Watching this makes me wish not being to dark shit so people will do stuff like this
If i recall Beyonder in beyond realm is as strong as TOAA IF not more
No Phoenix is above all beyonder race
@salamjr.9101 bro we talking about PRB IN BEYOND REALM. HE IS WAY WAY HIGHER
@@PYRATE31prb was stronger than toaa
@@Xyrethial when prb existed then TOAA was not in marvel😂😅
PRB wanted to be god of universe (like in this video) but he was never stronger than TOAA)
Pre retcon means beyonder got retcon (so writer was able to retcon beyonder)
ToAA is representation of writer's will
Lucifer is above retcon
Can you do Surge the Tenrec vs livewire
Why not Electro vs Livewire?
surge destroys her
Gorr the god butcher vs Asura from Asuras wrath
Lucifer is the devil. Forget the beyonder
People of the beautiful Internet I see that you have very high discussions about the subject so to put them all to rest. I know it’s been like six months or something, but if everyone still gives a dam about this. I have a solution quite simply all of you who do give a care about it. I know some of you put a lot of detail on Afer so simple as this one of them choose a champion to be the scaling for the beyond are the other for Lucifer morning star. You both have the right to talk about each feet watch scale and slowly see which can go beyond the other. You must give each over time and space to give you example and try to outdo the other, be fair and logic and respectful. We will treat this like a debate, not just scaling and power, but get fax examples and to make a very clear choice of Howard would truly go down, but let’s not diminish the work and strength of the creator who put all this effort to Gever God thank you for doing so I hope you have a fantastic day and wonderful time for yourself creator of this UA-cam channel. Make sure you get plenty of rest. You deserve it. Make sure you drink water eat food and all that good stuff you deserve it. You’re fantastic and wonderful and so does everyone here even though I don’t agree with a lot of people sometimes, especially that Gorgo fan I’m sorry but when I heard planetary where are you sore like multiple examples? I’ve been destroying Farmoor than that either you are extremely capping will you cannot see that he’s beyond planetary much much beyond that I got it. I don’t like overpower characters, Marvel has the same thing, so they sometimes have a good storyline, but let’s not forget. Michael has its own screw up so that’s not put that down.
Anyway, I’m not gonna keep that dragon this down I wish for every single one of you even the people I may not like to have a good day wonderful afternoon and remember to always look at yourself in the positive energy because we all deserve it even the people who do you mean nothing to you please make sure you bring positive energy. It’s better for everyone else and God bless everyone.
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Marvel has created a being that was poorly written. Marvel Secret Wars was great, but like the movies, the sequel Marvel Secret Wars II sucked. Lets lay the basics The Presence and one above all cannot defeat each other because they are both Omnipotence. but Marvel introduced another character that is equal to both of them and that is "One Below All". However, when Marvel introduced the Beyonder, he was given a label of his plane of existent is above the plane of "one above all". This means that "one above all or the Presence and one Below all cannot go to the Beyonders Universe and erase it because the Beyonders plane is on a higher level...but the beyonder can go down a level and erase the existence of the "one above all's" Universe with ease and likewise for the beyonder going up another level and erase that level above him if there is another level above him. Marvel noted that "the beyonders" powers is a Million times greater than the sum of "one above all's infinite Universes. So there is no possible way for Lucifer or any ranking #2 to defeat the Beyonder because even if they have the power to recreate an infinite universe, Beyonders powers is still a Million times greater than its Sum. Marvel Secret War II just didn't do the Beyonder any justice because when marvel realized that they created a god greater than Stan Lee "One Above all", they immediately nerfed him. but then turned around and created another god "One below all" thats going to sit in limbo and collect dust. My guess "one below all is "Jack "king" Kirby". One above all, the presence, and one below all was never given a power meter like the beyonder, but to me the sum of their infinite creation is a millions times less than the power of the beyonder. take that with a grain of salt. In Secret Wars 2 Owen, Molecule Man shot the Beyonder with a metered FULL blast, a blast strong enough to wipe out billions of universes and didnt phase him and Molecule man is "OP". his blast was strong enough to kill 3 "OP" beyonders that killed the Marvels abstract like Living Tribunal
Agreed. It's such a frustrating conversation to talk about. A lot of people really don't understand how powerful the Beyonder is. It doesn't help that he has been written progressively weaker in each appearance. The Beyonder was the original version of The One Above All. The original appearance of the beyonder, usually called "pre retcon beyonder" is likely one of the most powerful characters in fiction period. However, due to his countless retcons and the introduction of the One Above All, new age comic readers don't really grasp the concept of who the Beyonder was supposed to be and what he represented back in the 80's when he was created. If the beyonder had never had another appearance after Secret Wars II and TOAA was never created, people would not be saying Lucifer beats him. However, his reputation is permanently ruined now because of what the writers have turned him into.
@@booperhero8982 I totally agree with you. Finally someone read and understand who marvel created, and frankly, I totally loved his creation because he was such a badass character. The only thing I didn't like about the story of secret wars, was the fact that they made him naive. Beyonder by default is everything the One Above All X1 million. Which means he has omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. And with that, as soon as he entered One Above All's universe he would have automatically known about everything, past, future, what is and what would be. He didnt have to be a child and learn anything, but it was kinda nice innocent touch to the story that later made worst in the sequel Secret Wars II when he has to change as an infant for Doctor Doom to manipulate Molecule Man to kill the Beyonder, which there was no way that should have happened. But it was part of the nerfing. By the way when Doom stole part of the Beyonder's power that would have made him more powerful than One above all...just saying. Dazzler also became second most powerful for a short while when he gave some his power so that they can be together but she refused his offer and took his power back. which means = there was no way for Lucifer to beat Doom or Dazzler at that time. I would have love to see Dazzler relevant again. Secret Wars was an awesome story, that and the Mutant Massacre Story is my all time greatest
@@ramiroequipilag1316 Agreed. PR Beyonder was on completely different league above this regular one. Only 3 Ivory ings were enough to kill the Living Tribunal across all realities and Molecule man had the power of all of them combined. Despite that MM stated just like normal human are compared to him, he is same to the Beyonder. Even the author who created the Beyonder said, he is all omnipotent, omnipresent in his realm and if the fight were to happened there with TOAA then Beyonder will emerge victorious. When all the other authors nerfed him, it was painful to listen.
@@MrAGgamingYT i know right. Beyonders didnt need to be nerfed he fit exactly what he was created which is above the TOAA, and Im fine with that because he is a badass Character. The three beyonder still powerful enough to easily kill the like of Living Tribunal and those three beyonders are part of advance race. they were the creations and servitors of the Celestials, who named them Omegas in opposition to the Alpha, the First Firmament. They are intended to maintain the Multiverse and they do their work from outside of it of our multiverse
this battle was rigged beyonder is high outerversal, lucifer is just merely complex multiversal and marvel is bigger then DC wth is wrong with you deceiving others
Read comics, Lil bro. Lucifer is also High Outerversal at best, maybe boundless
@@deathbow555 the same comics tell us lucifer is only complex multiversal
@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 ...
Didn't he beat like 3 nigh omnipotent beings?-
2 unnamed ones (stated to be Omnipotent but if an Omnipotent being can be beaten, then they are Nigh Omnipotent)
The Presence
@@deathbow555 those are all complex multiversal and he didnt beat the true form of presence which is the creator he only beat his avatar, according to vs battles wiki hes complex multiversal bcs of these feats: As the son of God, Lucifer and Michael are stated to possess power that could rival their Father. When the WORD dissipated, and creation fell into chaos, Lucifer stated that, had it not been for the extraneous circumstances portrayed in Destiny's book, Michael would have been able to take up the seat of God. Lucifer should naturally be capable of the same. Time and Space are extensions of the mind and will, which he embodies as he's divine will that shapes creation. Was stated to be more powerful than Dream of the Endless. Escaped his function and went outside of the Presence's plan. Destroyed Logos with a touch. Logos is the first word which sung all of existence into being.
@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 you shot yourself in the foot there...
"We can logically assume because Micheal can possibly take God's place, Lucifer might be able to as well"
So your saying that they could possibly become Omnipotent, which can't br scaled and is absolute power basically, aka unbeatable. Both Micheal and Mucifer are Nigh Omni, which can be argued to also be unable to be scaled cuz it's basically
"I do whatever the flip I want"
So fucking cap. Beyonder would deatroy him
As hard as you deatroy grammar
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Marvels cosmology is vastly bigger my guy 👌
No, no it’s not, their equal
so you made lucifer lie that he surrenders ?
bra he never lies thats his thing you faild this video xD
He never said he never lies, just that one thing was true
I can’t stand DC. Lucifer is a planetary level threat at best. Regardless of all the overpowering 1UPsmanship that DC constantly takes part in, the Beyonder is a multiversal threat. Sorry. Lucy loses
I don't think you know Lucifer marvel fanboy
@@peristera-bettyiliadou3271 I don’t need to know Lucifer. All I need to know is DC and how they love to overpower their characters. Case in point, a character based on theology that represents the evils in mankind. DC takes him and turns him into a multiversal powerhouse. There’s just no room for nuance in that design. To each their own. I’m just pointing out another reason why DC characters blow chunks🤣
@@verbalkint3447 and doom who is human ,toaa and the beyonders are not op🤣?
Gimme a break marvel fanboy and read a dc comic before talking smack
@@peristera-bettyiliadou3271 You named 3 characters. Of those 3, none have their own comic book. 2 out of the 3 rarely make an appearance. In DC, every big name character is described to be as “strong as Superman”. Batman is a human who can bear every character in the DCU IF given enough “prep time”🤣. I can go on but I’m debating a fool whose idea of providing evidence is by attempting to insult me by calling me a Marvel fanboy. That lame shit doesn’t bother me in the least. I knew the difference between Marvel and DC when I was 11 years old. Not much has changed. You think the DCEU is a failure for because of anything other than the fact that their lame characters don’t translate well to the big screen. The best you can hope for is parody or campiness. It makes my laugh to myself knowing I made the right decision when I was 11 choosing Marvel Comics over DC
@@verbalkint3447 batman with his strongest hellbat suit could hardly beat darkseid and every time hes fought supes with prep supes said he was holding back or else he would have demolished bats also batman never said he can always beat everyone he can beat metahumans like aquaman but would get erased by more stronger beings even with max prep.Your boy doom on the other hand defeated the beyonders and is arguably stronger than toaa while being human so whos the fool now ?🤣🤣