Film vs Digital - A debate with friends
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Time to beat the very alive horse of Film vs. Digital as it's still the most controversial subject in modern photography. Make sure to add to the discussion in the comments! It's not about Fujifilm cameras vs. Leica film cameras or any cameras at all. It's about the format itself and what you want to do with your end result. So don't look at this as a gear related discussion. Until the end, think about who you are as a photographer and what points made by us you resonate with. And then make sure to add your own we missed in the comments!
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Battery argument sounds weird to me or for people who use cameras with battery life for 2-3 days of shooting 😂 and film is much harder to acquire when you are on the go in a new city (particularly in europe). Plus if you bring 10 rolls for a day of shooting then that will take much more space in your bag than one spare battery. Archiving is another interesting discussion with no perfect solution. I love how simple and straight forward archiving negatives is. It feels right and future proof. And with digital you have to keep an eye on the archive more frequently. Adjusting to new technology. Buying new hard drives to replace the old drives and so on. But digital files can be backed up in multiple places and locations. I can access my entire archive from anywhere in the world with my cloud storage. I don’t need to worry that when my house burns down I loose all my photographs. Digital is data. Film is chemistry. At the end the images should end up printed in books or galleries. Then it doesn’t matter anymore how the „data“ was collected. Print should be the final medium. Love the look of film but also love my digital files because I know how to make them look the way I like them (which is not a film look). To have complete control over Film you need to do everything yourself and that means more time fiddling with the result. Which can be fun but even with my digital files I spend 3min editing max. Shooting is more fun than editing. So it comes down to the shooting experience for me. And we have a camera for every kind of experience for both mediums. We are lucky bastards😄 Overall I am happy with digital and will shoot film for fun or projects that call for it. Anyways these are my thought I am having at midnight while lying in my bed haha. Good night.
i couldnt agree more
Also about the battery argument. I went on a trip only bringing film and I forgot to bring a second battery, (I had bought one the day after, just in case, even though it lasts for a year). During the trip it was impossible to find that type of battery so I couldn't shoot during the whole trip
Yassss shooting is more fun! Totally agree. That’s why I shoot film? Let the lab color my scans. and why I have m9 for those colors. Just want to shoot!
"At the end the images should end up printed in books or galleries" - yes
film can burn down too or go bad overtime if stored incorrectly and you lose it forever.
I was all digital until you asked me what I would shoot if film was free 😂 Leica MP + 28mm + Portra 800/400 TX. Done. 👋🏻
2:38 - Hate to burst that Steve McCurry bubble, but Steve McCurry switched to digital because it's easier to photoshop the crap out of a photograph when it's digital.
I stopped trying to get back into film, especially with living costs that I already have. Embracing digital for all it’s worth.
Digital for fun and goofy times with kids and family but FILM for personal workflow. Leica MP+28cron + 35cron 🙏
Lately I've been shooting iso 12 film with the kids playing in the sun. 1/125, F4, better if 28mm.Interesting.
25:02 Photoshop/Lightroom are the digital version of the darkroom. Literally the photo shop.
I disagree that film makes you a better shooter. Yes if you use any auto mode in digital then you’re not learning about the exposure triangle. However, if you shoot in manual than it’s the same assuming you’re manually focusing as well. In fact I would even argue digital has a better learning curve because if allows you to review the photos faster instead of waiting for them to be developed. Therefore you can review your images quicker and learn from your mistakes faster than film.
Interesting video. I have an M10 and I have felt from day 1 that Leica is meant to be a film camera. Been giving thought to an M-P instead of the M10
I feel the same. I’ve had an M10 for a year now, but I find myself reaching for my film M bodies much more often lately.
"Film is understanding photography, understanding lights and how it works"
I would say that photography is understanding lights and how it works. It's not only film.
A good photo is a good photo. Who cares if it's shot on film, with a Leica, a Canon or an Iphone?
Cool vid Alex :)
Agreed. The reason why we say film teaches you the basics is because now, all cameras have evf and many new photographer shoot using liveview. So you don’t really know what the settings are. It’s just turning dials with your fingers and exposure looks good, you shoot. I see videos of photographers holding the camera out infront of them using liveview and it makes me cringe sometimes.
Can’t do that with film. So you really have to learn to see the light and set the camera accordingly to get the exposure you’re looking for.
@@luuvuh agreed too :)
And what’s funny about the evf, is that after mostly shoot only my M digital the past 6 months, my first reaction while putting my eyes on the X100V was « oh my gosh it’s ugly » 😅
What is cool about your conversation is that you don’t fall in the classic elitist « I shoot film you noob ».
The last episode while walking with Alex was great too btw ;)
I am a hobby photographer and I come from the analogue era and photograph 99% digitally and if I insert a film then it is mostly a B/W film.
I lost all my negatives from the analogue era (1986-1997) in a house fire, digital would have been much less likely to happen to me. After this event I stopped taking pictures for a few years, had to mentally process the fire and then started taking pictures again in 2000/2001.
Yes Alex, in digital photography the high resolution is annoying when the focus is not right (that's just the way it is).
I have no opinion on how to start with photography. I didn't have the opportunity to do it digitally when I was learning photography. But one thing I can say is that until now it has never been so easy to take a technically good picture without any knowledge about photography and that is a good progress in my eyes.
At the end of the day, as you have already mentioned, what counts is whether you pressed the shutter button at the right moment or not and not whether the picture was recorded on film or as a file.
So I wish you all good light.
One point about storage...how many people have digital files older than 15 years? Film negatives seem more reliable to archive for decades.
A very wholesome conversation :) I say, shoot what you want, I shoot 60/40 film/digital i think. I enjoy film more but somtimes I want that instat result on the screen. Do what makes you happy! Mega chill dudes
I shoot color in digital, black and white in analog. I enjoy both for different reasons. Color is immediate and I enjoy reviewing after a shoot. Black and white is more immersive and makes every roll like Christmas. I enjoy the wait.
Film is the school and always a good thing to do, but prices going crazy is an issue to me.
Dangers: that one day on vacation that I forgot to load film into my camera. SMH. I travel with digital now, but might go with automatic film loading in the future.
Shoot what makes you happy
To me, the shooting experience, the process and the final result of b/w film is definitely superior to digital. And.. I tried to shoot (only) film for about six months. However, I quickly came to realize that I can't justify the costs.. Therefore, I moved to a digital M Monochrom (246) which gives me a great portion of the analogue RF shooting experience (especially battery life; highlight protection aside) and B/W DNG files I can easily process to get at least pretty close to the final look I want to achieve ✌
Agreed. I have the MM246 also. And those files are incredible!!! I’ve never seen anything like it before. and you can definitely make it look like film. It’s the reason why I bought it, stay away from film. But it’s hard to do that 😅. also, highlight protection, when they release the m11m. It’s gonna be insane! The highlight protection on the m11 censor is mind blowing.
Real Nice! Thanks 👍 I shoot both film and digital. There’s a feel in film photos that digital doesn’t have, for me. But I do like both.
Shooting experience experience is better on film, slowed down and methodical. Developing and scanning film is a pain in the butt(and the wallet). I just want more digital cameras made with a film style of shooting in mind(no screens, manual focus, etc.)
Hmm, I can rip through a roll just as fast on my Minolta Maxxum 7 as I can my Sony A99...it's not film slowing you down. That being said, you can turn off the screens, go manual mode etc on most digital cameras...you just have to do it. :)
@@patrickjclarke well what I meant/implied was that the design of film cameras generally means you need to slow down to ensure you get everything in focus, exposed correctly etc. Unfortunately not many digital cameras are designed that way
As a teenager, I discovered and fell in love with photography around 1969.
Later in the early 70’s I got my first Nikon (it was a used FNT).
I’m a grandfather today and have been shooting digital for the past 3 decades.
Now that film is "hip" again, naturally I wanted to give it another try.
For film I use a Nikon FM and N60 both loaded with Kodak Portra 100-800.
I shoot street, nature, landscape, night, portraits, action, sports and some astro photography.
My current daily shooter is a Nikon Z6ii (using Nikon’s Z Primes) and a couple of Z zooms.
That Z6ii is a night and action monster.
I’ll try to shoot a couple of rolls per year, but for everything else, I think in 2023:
DIGITAL is the way to go.
Thank you.
Haven't shot film since 2005, no way I'm going back, l stay off the Hype Train and buy Lightroom gift card on sale Black Friday and keep shooting, that's how I save money shooting digital.
Been really enjoying these last 2 vids. Think u hit the sweet spot.
Or maybe because the last two videos has me in them 😂😂 jk
What vest was Luuvu Hoang wearing 0:38 ?
I got it on a thrift shop in Tokyo. No idea what the brand is 😅 sorry.
At the end, I think there isn't really a one vs the other. Both are photography, and both make great pictures in the right hands (see the last 100 years of photography...).
So enjoy what you love to use the most, and don't shit on others because they do it in another way. That's pretty much all that matters.
Nice video that shows well how deeply personal that choice is...
Film medium format is why i prefer film rb67 and rolleiflex is amazig for portrait. M2 and m3 for documentary stuff and M8 when i want shoot casua stuff because is like in thr middle from digital and film 🤙
Great sharing guys ^^
(27:40) "If you are into photography and you really you wanna get good at photography you have to shoot film first". Agree 1000% !
Photography as a 'hobby' or alternate diversion can be quite expensive.. So make a budget for it. As a studio wedding/portrait photographer from the 60's till about 2000 film was very convenient. I exposed carefully and the lab courier picked up film and returned the finished prints and negative, leaving me free to deal with customers all of each work day. Cost was not a particular factor as I just charged more than my costs (as did other pros). I enjoyed each and every film camera I used as I still enjoy many of them along with the current crop of digital cameras. As someone said; 'enjoy the process'. When I switched to digital in 2000, I changed every aspect of my marketing, pricing and shooting to remain profitable. Most of my pro associates did not and found themselves trapped in the 'lightroom' away from customers, sales and enjoyable shooting.
I find it amusing to hear photographers complain about the cost of film...then they go out and buy an expensive digital Leica and expensive lenses and of course the expensive laptop every few years, and of course the redundant archiving over and over again. And the time spent hunched over the laptop sorting through COUNTLESS "free"image files. I shoot both, but I'm convinced both digital and film are expensive. If you are passionate (crazy), you'll will adapt to the cost.
The real star of any movie is the photochemical process. Film has a way of "glorifying" its subject matter in a way that digital cannot. Digital is so sterile, clinical and drab.
Wait, is the fact that film requires more skills a good thing or a bad thing, though? (I shoot both, just to be clear)
You assumed it is good, but is it really?
Digital looks better for landscapes, film looks better for portraits.
Let’s all admit the facts.
Film is king but no one here is opening second mortgages to be able to afford these insanely absurd film prices we see in most places in the world. Plus unless you are self developing that’s another HUGE chunk of money lost. Or TIME lost if you self develop and scan.
So I’ll just shoot digital because I don’t have TIME or MONEY to afford film and all it entails. To be able to fully shoot how I like for family work and street work 🤕💸
NGL, deep down I do think the technological advancement is showing why digital is superior. As much as I want to shoot film all life, it's only possible if it's cheaper than digital. The problem is that getting into film is not as cheap as it was 3-5 years ago, making it harder to recommend to anyone getting into photography. Spend big bucks for a film camera and trickle on film rolls VS spending big bucks on digital with one time pay on memory card...
So many films wow
Just FYI, I was hearing a constant high pitch sound from around 25:00, maybe even before that. Not sure if it's the surrondings or noise.
Also, that couple? in the background was giving me social anxiety haha
I got bored with both after 45 years on this journey and even print color in my darkroom. Cannot wait for future stuffs such as AI, 3D and/or hologram to learn about adapting the art to the new science. Thus, I embrace the past but don't revisit it.
where's this um good shop for cheap ilford? asking for a friend...
It's fun comparing the two mediums to remind myself of their unique qualities. I like film because of the long process (as a hobby). My opinion would likely be different if I was professionally shooting in a studio or journalist job where I might need efficient turnaround. I wonder which tool would be chosen by a master photog from the film era.
🍨looked delicious btw.
Film vs Digital, and why your answer is Leica. 😂
😂😂😂. I explained why. It’s more about shooting experience of the camera. And turns out those user experiences that I enjoy when I shoot are film cameras. Like ROLLEICORD/FLEX digital can’t give me that experience. ❤❤
@@luuvuh Oh I know, and I agree 100% ! I meant this could be the title of the video. 😅😉
GFX and adapted lenses replaced film for me.
I love both! But I like to shoot digital more.
We are lucky we have both choices.
I only shoot digital, but I am trying to convince myself that I should buy an M10 Monochrom since the high cost of film and processing makes it a sensible decision :)
Oh yes! Let's go:)
Team FILM 🙋🏻
I wouldn’t have sold the M10!😢
that SCRUFFF on point
Receipt paper cameras all day baby 😏
Pointless comparison. It’s the magician not the wand.
According to world of Harry Potter. The wand matters. 😅
a lot of talk and few photos
Alex beard so good looking today no idea what you talked about.
It might be the most controversial, but also the most boring and cannibalized subject... I like your vids Alex, but whats next? "Why you should / should not buy a Fuji X100V"? Try to stay with your clever ideas and stop following the hype...