You wouldn't really know unless you yourself had achieved "taiji understanding" (called "dong jeer" in Mandarin... and had touched him. A ballet dancer or especially the Chinese flower gong fu team could show much better and (apparently) more integrated presentation. Of course the Chinese wushu team, for all their fantastic gong fu, can't fight by and large - an already proven point. You cannot determine internal skill by watching unless you yourself are a master.
@@baiyuantongbei Not sure what your point is...why did you respond negatively to my comment? All I said was “overstated criticism” what are you trying to say? I never claimed to know him. I don’t get it!
@@BSmith-cu2gj simple - comments by anyone regarding CMC’s performance by anyone is superfluous unless one has criteria by which to judge. A non-Taijiquan practitioner’s comments mean nothing at all because they’re just responding according to some general aesthetic notion - unique to themselves - about how they feel when watching the performance. Taijiquan practitioners themselves may have some idea how it should look, but the widespread proliferation of “new age” (non traditional Taiji*) - there again - comments superfluous. Unless one has had deep and lengthy exposure to traditional Taijiquan, comments are meaningless. From a traditional perspective - e.g., confirming to the teachings of Yang Luchan, almost nothing about this performance looks any good. Nothing negative in particular involving you.
@@BSmith-cu2gj by no means. I am serious about Taijiquan - not a dabbler. CMC has a cult of followers who put him up as a godlike exhibition of the art, essentially without substance. There are no grounds to effuse about his performance at all.
I've been practicing his and the world popular 42 for years, his is great it's fight oriented smooth graceful and meditative. The 42 works both sides of the body and is easy to learn. I'll always do both.
That's an interesting comment you made about the symmetry. When I first learned this form in 1989 we were told to work out the left side (mirror image) version ourselves nd practise both. We were then taught the long from on both sides, first right and then left. The left side long form also had some modifications and additional movements. The 42 I've practised a little bit, it's an interesting form, not just because of it's symmetry, but because it incorporates a few postures and movements from other styles: Chen, Wu and Sun. I'm yet to be convinced by it, I prefer sticking to what I know best. But I can see how it may be useful and good to practise. It seems to be more aimed at Taiji forms competition, rather than digging deep into the energy and spirit of the art. Although, I'm sure their are people that can take it to a high level through very dedicated practice, just like any disciplined training. When you practise the 42 form, do you do it with the ZMQ principles such as straight back, fair lady's hand, turning rear foot on heel rather than ball of foot, shoulder width stances, parallel stepping for repulse monkey, very relaxed and sunk postures or do you perform it more in line with the Wushu style of Taiji form execution? If you have a video of you performing the 42 form, I'd love to see it. There can't be many people from a ZMQ lineage background that also perform the 42 form.
CMC's form has the best footwork. Stay away from those competition forms with low stance. Low is not necessarily better because the Jing is truncated. One of the reasons why CMC has one side only is that, according to CMC, if you concentrate on one side to have 1000 pounds power you will have more edge over those who does both sides with only 500 pounds on each side.
I just love this guy. He makes all these Tai Chi experts that argue endlessly about every single detail of every style and variation, how to hold the hand here, where exactly put the foot down etc. look like the idiots they are. He doesn't give a damn shit about all this, but he's one of the greatest masters anyway.
Interesting. I'm studying at the Yang family Tai Ji Center now under the 5th generation lineage holder, and Chen Man Ching is doing everything we are told not to do.
+Joseph Dighton There are so many points from looking at this video, but one thing I notice right away is that his fingers are closed and his hands/wrists are turned inward. We are taught to extend the hand and the fingers must have space between them. He also doesn't integrate his movements. Single whip for just one example, the final strike is supposed to happen when the at the same time the front knee comes to it's full angle. He is definitely "his own style" and not following what they teach in the Yang Family School.
Please note, 5th Gen Yang family lineage has many styles and is claimed only by Yang SauChung of Hong Kong as the oldest son according to the Chinese culture. his younger brothers was too young to even claim the system at 12 years of age when their father passed away.
He understands the internal mechanics so can appear to break the rules. This is the reason I don't like his style. It makes it harder to grasp the mechanics of tai ji Quan. Keep doing what you are being told and maintain even structure across your whole body. When everything is uniformly relaxed you can generate power.
r@@jowgakungfunycchinatownmar4287 i believe also that Yeung Sau Chung was one of Chen Man Ching's instructors having completed the family curriculum at the age of 14. his daughters are high level practitioners.
Many peoples don't know that many, may be all martial arts in China communist era have been modified for communist purpose and commercial... And many authentic martial arts including Tai Chi still original/authentic in Taiwan, one of them was Master Cheng Man Ching...
Chen Man Ching was not a disciple of Yang Cheng Fu, he never went through the formal disciple ceremony and only trained with Cheng Fu for a short time. Cheng Man Ching learnt aspects of taijiquan from many including fajin from a bagua practitioner. You can see the influence of Cheng fu in the style and order of the postures yet they are performed different, Cheng fu promoted large frame at the time and Man Ching's is smaller, Cheng Fu's was externally more traditionally "martial looking" where Man Ching's kung fu was more subtle and internal (hard to see ).
The reason why Cheng did not went through the formal disciple ceremony is that Yang's wife was seriously sick and Cheng cured her. Remember, Cheng is also very capable in traditional Chinese medicine. Yang treated Cheng with respect. Cheng studied with Yang for 6 years. Cheng publicly claimed in his book that his style is rearranged from Yang style for several reasons. Actually Yang styles has large, medium and small frames. Small frame is the most powerful and deadly. What most people are practicing today is large frame with fancy movements. It is true that Cheng also learned Daoist Qi Gong from Zhang Cin Lin who was also a disciple of Yang Cheng Fu. I think politics may have a part in here. CMC went to Taiwan when communist took over mainland China in 1949. People in mainland China treat people and everything else in Taiwan as local and non-authentic no matter how good they are. Actually Taiwan retained more traditions than in China such as acupuncture and Chinese martial arts. China created so many Tai Chi forms over the years but most of them have no practical value at all.
@@JL-bo4bh I am agree with you...many peoples don't know that many may be all martial arts in communist era have been modified for communist purpose and commercial... And many aunthentic martial arts including Tai Chi still authentic in Taiwan, one of them was Master Cheng Man Ching
you are correct ' the 6 year relationship was extraordinary because Cheng min.ching had tuberculosis which was cured within 6 months '' the rearranged form was not without yang s influence as he himself was considering fair ladys hand as an improvement '
He wasnt that highly regarded by them as far as I know because he wasn't considered particularly good. Vs the Western world he was seen as superhuman though. Never the less a master but only notable for spreading tai ji Quan to the west all be it a modified form of it.
@@joshpickles9022 Who does not consider Cheng particularly good? If "they" are from mainland China, here is why. I think politics may have a part in here. CMC went to Taiwan when communist took over mainland China in 1949. People in mainland China treat people and everything else in Taiwan as local and non-authentic no matter how good they are. Actually Taiwan retained more traditions than in China such as acupuncture and Chinese martial arts. China destroyed much of the cultural and historical relics during "cultural revolution" in 1960-1970's. China created so many Tai Chi forms over the years but most of them have no practical value at all.
@@JL-bo4bh @John Lee I am agree with you...many peoples don't know that many may be all martial arts in communist era have been modified for communist purpose and commercial... And many aunthentic martial arts including Tai Chi still authentic in Taiwan, one of them was Master Cheng Man Ching
20 years ago I could do this form, but then I let it slide away. But! it makes me feel better to watch the video, and feel the Chi flowing. Thanks!
I have always thinking why Fu ZhangWen ,Nui Chunming, Chen ManChing ...has different style for many years.
Yes, they are all real master.
Criticism seems overstated...he is incredible to watch, his form is so fluid and integrated, regardless of dogmatic criticism.
You wouldn't really know unless you yourself had achieved "taiji understanding" (called "dong jeer" in Mandarin... and had touched him. A ballet dancer or especially the Chinese flower gong fu team could show much better and (apparently) more integrated presentation. Of course the Chinese wushu team, for all their fantastic gong fu, can't fight by and large - an already proven point. You cannot determine internal skill by watching unless you yourself are a master.
@@baiyuantongbei Not sure what your point is...why did you respond negatively to my comment? All I said was “overstated criticism” what are you trying to say? I never claimed to know him. I don’t get it!
@@BSmith-cu2gj simple - comments by anyone regarding CMC’s performance by anyone is superfluous unless one has criteria by which to judge. A non-Taijiquan practitioner’s comments mean nothing at all because they’re just responding according to some general aesthetic notion - unique to themselves - about how they feel when watching the performance. Taijiquan practitioners themselves may have some idea how it should look, but the widespread proliferation of “new age” (non traditional Taiji*) - there again - comments superfluous.
Unless one has had deep and lengthy exposure to traditional Taijiquan, comments are meaningless. From a traditional perspective - e.g., confirming to the teachings of Yang Luchan, almost nothing about this performance looks any good. Nothing negative in particular involving you.
That is ridiculous... Do you contact everyone who comments? Seems like a lot of work, enjoy your obsessive detailing about what others think!
@@BSmith-cu2gj by no means. I am serious about Taijiquan - not a dabbler. CMC has a cult of followers who put him up as a godlike exhibition of the art, essentially without substance. There are no grounds to effuse about his performance at all.
I've been practicing his and the world popular 42 for years, his is great it's fight oriented smooth graceful and meditative. The 42 works both sides of the body and is easy to learn. I'll always do both.
That's an interesting comment you made about the symmetry. When I first learned this form in 1989 we were told to work out the left side (mirror image) version ourselves nd practise both.
We were then taught the long from on both sides, first right and then left. The left side long form also had some modifications and additional movements.
The 42 I've practised a little bit, it's an interesting form, not just because of it's symmetry, but because it incorporates a few postures and movements from other styles: Chen, Wu and Sun. I'm yet to be convinced by it, I prefer sticking to what I know best. But I can see how it may be useful and good to practise. It seems to be more aimed at Taiji forms competition, rather than digging deep into the energy and spirit of the art. Although, I'm sure their are people that can take it to a high level through very dedicated practice, just like any disciplined training.
When you practise the 42 form, do you do it with the ZMQ principles such as straight back, fair lady's hand, turning rear foot on heel rather than ball of foot, shoulder width stances, parallel stepping for repulse monkey, very relaxed and sunk postures or do you perform it more in line with the Wushu style of Taiji form execution? If you have a video of you performing the 42 form, I'd love to see it. There can't be many people from a ZMQ lineage background that also perform the 42 form.
CMC's form has the best footwork. Stay away from those competition forms with low stance. Low is not necessarily better because the Jing is truncated. One of the reasons why CMC has one side only is that, according to CMC, if you concentrate on one side to have 1000 pounds power you will have more edge over those who does both sides with only 500 pounds on each side.
2:47 wow! spinning on right heel.
I just love this guy. He makes all these Tai Chi experts that argue endlessly about every single detail of every style and variation, how to hold the hand here, where exactly put the foot down etc. look like the idiots they are. He doesn't give a damn shit about all this, but he's one of the greatest masters anyway.
Interesting. I'm studying at the Yang family Tai Ji Center now under the 5th generation lineage holder, and Chen Man Ching is doing everything we are told not to do.
+Joseph Dighton There are so many points from looking at this video, but one thing I notice right away is that his fingers are closed and his hands/wrists are turned inward. We are taught to extend the hand and the fingers must have space between them. He also doesn't integrate his movements. Single whip for just one example, the final strike is supposed to happen when the at the same time the front knee comes to it's full angle. He is definitely "his own style" and not following what they teach in the Yang Family School.
Please note, 5th Gen Yang family lineage has many styles and is claimed only by Yang SauChung of Hong Kong as the oldest son according to the Chinese culture. his younger brothers was too young to even claim the system at 12 years of age when their father passed away.
He understands the internal mechanics so can appear to break the rules. This is the reason I don't like his style. It makes it harder to grasp the mechanics of tai ji Quan. Keep doing what you are being told and maintain even structure across your whole body. When everything is uniformly relaxed you can generate power.
@@joshpickles9022 yes, you can't learn from watching but, it seems to me that there is some kind of transmission.
r@@jowgakungfunycchinatownmar4287 i believe also that Yeung Sau Chung was one of Chen Man Ching's instructors having completed the family curriculum at the age of 14. his daughters are high level practitioners.
Excellent style
上善若水。
There's something about this guy.
Many peoples don't know that many, may be all martial arts in China communist era have been modified for communist purpose and commercial...
And many authentic martial arts including Tai Chi still original/authentic in Taiwan, one of them was Master Cheng Man Ching...
the sequence doesn't make sense but the integrity of his movements is a joy to watch.
Chen Man Ching was not a disciple of Yang Cheng Fu, he never went through the formal disciple ceremony and only trained with Cheng Fu for a short time. Cheng Man Ching learnt aspects of taijiquan from many including fajin from a bagua practitioner. You can see the influence of Cheng fu in the style and order of the postures yet they are performed different, Cheng fu promoted large frame at the time and Man Ching's is smaller, Cheng Fu's was externally more traditionally "martial looking" where Man Ching's kung fu was more subtle and internal (hard to see ).
The reason why Cheng did not went through the formal disciple ceremony is that Yang's wife was seriously sick and Cheng cured her. Remember, Cheng is also very capable in traditional Chinese medicine. Yang treated Cheng with respect. Cheng studied with Yang for 6 years.
Cheng publicly claimed in his book that his style is rearranged from Yang style for several reasons. Actually Yang styles has large, medium and small frames. Small frame is the most powerful and deadly. What most people are practicing today is large frame with fancy movements. It is true that Cheng also learned Daoist Qi Gong from Zhang Cin Lin who was also a disciple of Yang Cheng Fu.
I think politics may have a part in here. CMC went to Taiwan when communist took over mainland China in 1949. People in mainland China treat people and everything else in Taiwan as local and non-authentic no matter how good they are. Actually Taiwan retained more traditions than in China such as acupuncture and Chinese martial arts. China created so many Tai Chi forms over the years but most of them have no practical value at all.
@@JL-bo4bh I am agree with you...many peoples don't know that many may be all martial arts in communist era have been modified for communist purpose and commercial...
And many aunthentic martial arts including Tai Chi still authentic in Taiwan, one of them was Master Cheng Man Ching
you are correct ' the 6 year relationship was extraordinary because Cheng min.ching had tuberculosis which was cured within 6 months '' the rearranged form was not without yang s influence as he himself was considering fair ladys hand as an improvement '
Younger Yang Family members maybe jealous of Yang Chen Fu's most senior student and friend of Yang Chen Fu. Yes?
why would they be jealous of CMC
He wasnt that highly regarded by them as far as I know because he wasn't considered particularly good. Vs the Western world he was seen as superhuman though. Never the less a master but only notable for spreading tai ji Quan to the west all be it a modified form of it.
i don't think he was YFC's senior student, that would be his son Yeung Sau Chung
@@joshpickles9022 Who does not consider Cheng particularly good? If "they" are from mainland China, here is why.
I think politics may have a part in here. CMC went to Taiwan when communist took over mainland China in 1949. People in mainland China treat people and everything else in Taiwan as local and non-authentic no matter how good they are. Actually Taiwan retained more traditions than in China such as acupuncture and Chinese martial arts. China destroyed much of the cultural and historical relics during "cultural revolution" in 1960-1970's. China created so many Tai Chi forms over the years but most of them have no practical value at all.
@@JL-bo4bh @John Lee I am agree with you...many peoples don't know that many may be all martial arts in communist era have been modified for communist purpose and commercial...
And many aunthentic martial arts including Tai Chi still authentic in Taiwan, one of them was Master Cheng Man Ching