Airbus & Boeing Has A Rival?
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- COMAC wants to increase production of its single-aisle C919 to rival the 737 MAX and A320neo from Boeing and Airbus, but will this planemaker ever actually be able to achieve what it desires?
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Looks like Russia,North Korea, Iran, and Cuba will have new aircraft soon. As for western Carriers taking delivery of them, HIGHLY doubt it.
No Western carrier will buy this plane.
nk needs to buy this plane. their planes are old asf and theyre at the verge of breaking down.
Unlikely. They have huge domestic orders and limited production capacity. We might see a few in South-east Asia though.
@@athleticguy15 No Western carrier is likely to be offered Chinese aircraft so the question doesn't arise. Asian and African carriers, on the other hand, might be interested.
@@rais1953 That's not how a business works. If a Western carrier placed an order, I doubt the Chinese would deny it.
China’s ridiculous lead in electric car manufacturing and R&D leads me to believe this is only the beginning.
😂😂😂 Tesla is the best electric car manufacturer in the world. BYD is having lots of problems with batteries catching on fire.
Cutting corners is part of Chinese culture, which is part of the reason their electric cars have been a disaster. Chinese citizens don't trust their own electric car companies.
@@coflyer2949 You have no idea…
@@coflyer2949 You're living in 2019 are ya...
@@coflyer2949BRAAAAAAAP! Wrong.
Good luck with FAA certification 😢
Can do without it.
The global South will take it.
Remember the Max what good was the FAA then?
If It’s Boeing, I’m Not Going
A huge concern of western carriers is 24/7 support, service and parts availability. Its not likely that any western carrier would order these unless they can be sure they won't get stuck with broken down aircraft sidelined awaiting parts or Factory support for long periods of time as has happened with a carrier that had that occur with Russian Jets.
Why is there a break in Audio when its mentioned 50 planes around the year, at about the 1:02 mark? No Major carrier will buy this plane until the FAA and EASA certify it. Period.
Currently the market for new aircraft is under enormous pressure. The huge backlog of orders by both manufacturers lead to very, very long waiting times until delivery. If you order a Boeing or Airbus jet today don't expect it to be delivered before 2030. This situation leads to high prices, older fleets and higher operation costs on the airlines' side. So there is room in the market for a new manufacturer, no doubt about that. The certification of the C919 is underway with the FAA and EASA and the flight program will start this year which means the aircraft could be certified in 2028 for the earliest. At this point in time Chinese (and other Asian ) airlines will have been operating this a/c for 3-4 years and there will be massive experience on day to day operations with it available. I am sure this aircraft will be ordered by western airlines if certified, if economical, if reliable and if COMAC provides first class technical support.
My understanding is the C-919 is overweight and lacks range compared to the A-320 and 737 families. Plus, 70% of the plane's value is in western-made components. It's a start for them. Perhaps a generation or 2 of aircraft will be more competitive in the future.
Same was said about AI when Deepseek came. Same will happen in aviation too.
If C-919 or MC-21 powered by both Leap-1 & PW1000G.....that would polarised A320neo Family & Max Series orders
@@stradivarioushardhiantz5179 Some one will forbid the sale of these engines to the Russians. Or these are already on the sanctions list. Who will buy a plane with crappy engines, lasting a few thousand hours on wing or less. And without a reliable supply chain of spare parts.
Maybe the PRK or some African country.
C919 is using the LEAP-1C engine but compared to 737 or the A320, C919 is lacking behind in performance
BYD outsold Ford, VW, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai/Kia for several months the past two quarters...WITHOUT selling in the US market. Toyota will soon fall as well. COMAC doesn't need the US or the rest of the West to thrive. It just needs to sell well in the fast-growing Chinese aviation market, then expand to BRICS nations thereafter.
Comac sits in the same market as Tupolev and Ilyushin did back in the day. Adopted pretty much only by Russia (maybe), China and their close allies (also a solid maybe).
jeju air flight 2216 737 was 30.4 YO aircraft with a LCC, theres a case for these solid aircraft with "Western Tech" being taken up by certain carriers. Most dont know that western companies like Honeywell & Liebherr-Aerospace supply some of ther key systems.
I really doubt any Western country would fly this aircraft. It would be most popular with the sanctioned countries in my opinion.
Sanctioned countries can’t buy the Comac
They don't need western country. Chinese market alone is huge. It is also smart to avoid buying Boeing.
They can’t sell them to sanctioned countries because they have western parts
Without certification with EU and US standards they have zero chance at making any dent into the western market.
its already making a dent to boeing and airbus orders since china's market is huge and they're moving away from their planes.
@@X-cript Moving away from their planes? Airbus and Beoing will dominate the future
@@X-cript Nonsense.
I don't think they care. There is still a huge market outside of the majority of Europe, North America and Oceania countries.
@Grommok Without certification they won't be able to enter European or American airspace at all. But certification is applied for and flight testing should start this year. Let's wait for results.
Just flown on the C919 last week and I am quite impressed with my whole aircraft experience.
First it has to be certified by the FAA and EASA. With no record of a reliable supply chain. No chance. And assembling 50 per year, when Airbus has an output of 75 aircraft per month. I can't see it being a hot seller.
They surely will increase production once they're certified and demand rises.
It is China we're talking about. Their ability to ramp up production should be a given. The only major obstacle is that FAA cert. Unfortunatly for them, this might have more to do with geopolitics than engineering.
I believe CHINA has already PROVEN WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOWBT___ TIME & TIME AGAIN, of being able to OBLITERATE Rival market competitors in anything China sets sights on!!! Wear it be a product for LAND/ SEA/ AIR OR ORBITAL,,,
I think the C919 may find homes in those countries under sanctions ( Russia, dark, Venezuela, Iran, Syria, etc… ) but will have trouble penetrating the western marts. Maybe things would change once they have a long haul aircraft & global service? Just a thought
Air Asia is considering whether or not to buy the plane. If the order is substantial, a parts warehouse will certainly be established in the Southeast Asian region. Low cost airlines with fast aircraft turnaround times and heavy usage regularly upgrade and renew their fleets. An economical to operate plane is a big plus.
Let the Sinophobia begin!
😅🤣😆😂
Who would wanna volunteer themselves as the lab rats for Winnie the Poop?
Until COMAC can produce a productive and economical aircraft, they are not a rival. They produce an alternative but is basically only used in China and most likely won't be prominent outside of China.
But China will make up for up to 20% of all plane purchases in the next decade, so it’s definitely a rival even if it’s just in one region of the world.
Without FAA or EASA these airplanes are of no use to western airlines. As a MRO QA manager, I've worked with the CAAC, they have a long way to go.
I flew in China Southern C919 last week in flight CZ3545 from Guangzhou to Shanghai. It was smooth and I should say it was a little more modern-looking narrow body. I don't know but feel the windows slightly smaller (?).
C919 looks exactly like an A220, who would have thought it?
Bombardier assisted with the design, but mostly to smooth the manufacturing processes. Many will say that its a copy however its not the same in any dimension, lets be real here, China has both the Max and Neo in their fleets so they could easily have reverse engineered either one but the 919 matches neither but in person it looks more like an A320 than anything else but put the two side by side and you'll see soon enough its not the same.
Thanks Dj!!
There's a long road ahead for th echinese: 1) Certification either by EASA or by the FAA; 2) Setting up a reliable extensive and responsive support organization. They are still very far from meeting those two goals.
Have you seen it's being looked into to allow Airbus A320 neo's to fly in and out of London City Airport?
No the C919 isn't a rival yet. COMAC doesn't have the capacity yet. Remember when Airbus wasn't a rival - yet?
Hmmmm. Anybody remember Mexican carrier Interjet and the Sukhoi Superjet 100 ?
The only area they will challenge the big 2 is within thier own markets, and then at 50 pa it still won't satisfy it's own markets needs.
It also needs western tech ie engines etc until they can provide tech to same quality.
And if the FAA etc… do approve the C919 it will be too expensive to purchase with the heavy tariffs coming soon.
I wouldn't trust a COMAC any more than a Soviet plane
Yet you have no problems getting on a Max?🤣
@frankcg6731 never been on one, but the two that crashed were flown by non English speakers, which is a common thread in MANY Bus crashes
@ The crashes had nothing to do with what language they spoke. Flight computer took over the controlls and "hijacked" the plane. There's nothing the pilots could do to save it. Also, Alaska Airline is a US carrier.
@@frankcg6731 I suspect that if the pilots understood the system better and had been better trained they may have been able to recover.
@frankcg6731 re the Alaska incident, that was Spirit Aero, not Boeing, and not a crash. If you look at how Bus builds planes, they do the same thing, all over Europe. They've just been lucky so far.
I'd rather buy an E195...
which sales are pretty low
@@nickolliver3021 But it's a great plane.
@ so are a320Ns and 737Ms
E195 is a great plane but it is still a regional plane
Well you won't see the C919 certified in America for at least the next 4 years, with the current resident of the White House.
Comac's total aircraft production target by 2035 is 1,000. Total orders are also 1,000. So they can only produce enough aircraft for their local market.
Airbus will have launched its new narrow-body aircraft around 2035. Boeing will definitely follow suit.
I won't be getting on it. Zi Jin Ping wouldn't get on it, so I'll take my que from him.
Leap 1C is underpowered anyways mtow complications hence no chance at all, bar the chinese carriers who are milking this aircraft
No chance, you said why. (satire)
Comact wants to increase their market share..... .... and I want a pony!
The C919 to Air Zimbabwe? Air Zimbabwe's fleet is trash, while the countries have close relations.
Current goal = 50 airplanes a year , over , let’s say , 20 years. 1000 airplanes = 2,000 engines. Now it gets interesting…
Basically no western airline will buy this plane. It will have the same fate as Tupac, Ilyushin, Sukhoi, etc. As for Chinese, North Korean, Russian, and Iranian airlines? Probably. But the most western you’ll get with that is possibly PIA or Vietnam Airlines. Instead, if Embraer steps up and builds a 767/757 replacement before Boeing or Airbus, there’s some competition
I can’t see anywhere but the far east and poss RUSSIA buyin these, I don’t foresee US or EU, UK flight companies getting these.
It's amusing sitting in this part of the the world to see someone from Europe huffing, "nowhere except the far East" as if Europe and North America were the world and the rest of us were just the fringe, something that hardly matters. "The far East" includes three of the four largest nations in the world and a number of others with between 90m and 200m people, bigger than any of the western European nations. Many of these nations have considerable spending power. Then there's Central (former Soviet) Asia. And of course you forgot Africa. Europeans do forget Africa, don't they?😅 Except when there's wealth to be gouged out. COMAC wants Chinese airlines to be able to fly the C919 to Western Europe but I don't imagine they expect or really want to sell aircraft there. With their own enormous market and limited production capacity why would they bother?
Mainland Chinese don’t even want to travel in the PRC assembled aircraft
They absolutely do. The planes are popular.
Airbus produces more aircraft in two weeks than COMAC has produced in 7 years.
COMAC production target is 50 planes per year. Airbus produces 75 A320 A MONTH.
Boeing has 4,700 outstanding order for the 737 MAX and is targeting a production rate of 100 per month by 2027.
The C919 is unreliable, much less fuel efficient than an A320 and un certifiable outside of China because its cockpit does not comply with Western standards and 80% of its non-airframe components are made outside of China.
The C919 has precisely ZERO chance of being a competitor to Airbus Boeing or even Embraer.
The avionic systems of the C919 come from Collins and Honeywell. Absolutely western standard and state of the art.
No need to be that arrogant !
@ So what, the cockpit design does not meet the FAR 25.1302. This is a very strict regulation and the Chinese authorities have no equivalent. The cockpit needs to be redesigned to meet the standard and COMAC simply isn’t going to do it. So there is zero chance of certification in the West no matter what collection of Western Avionics they cobble together.
Aldo the CFM -1C engines used on the C919 do not have the latest materials and parts of the -1B and -1A engines, for example. So they are less fuel efficient.
This is not arrogance, these are facts.
I wish the Chinese well in their aircraft manufacturing.
Comac have no chance
they have a shot at receiving orders from sanctioned countries. air cuba is a potential buyer as well as air koryo(?) maybe in the future
What about Boeing huh? 🗿🗿
It’s about bloody time someone shows the Americans and European there are other clever people living in this world who can make better planes than them ,,,,, and much cheaper too ,,, go china
Your failure to understand the growth of this company shows how closed minded you are.
Cormac will thrive in the south remember china it's self is a huge market
I understand they are a mechanical nightmare always breaking. Just been lucky there has had no accidents that have been heard of yet
Boeing: Chinese Rejected
Airbus: Yea you’ll never fly in Western Countries
Embraer: WTF are you?!
ATR: No one likes you
Bombardier: Boooooooo 👎🏻
Comac: Xie Xie
50 a year.....what a joke....
And how many A320s was Airbus making in 1985, the second year after it hit the market?
Here's hoping te Chinese CCP builds better planes than a submarine that sinks, roads that collapse etc etc etc
what a joke.
Well, made for the most part from western imported parts and the LEAP-1C is closer to a CFM56-5 rather than LEAP. Also, you have to dare buy Chinese.
Who in their wright mind would fly in that thing they can't even make a box fan.
wright?
Was that a pun?
Keep on dreaming for thousand years :))
🤣
Airbus going down soon.
New duopoly:
Comac & Boeing
No thanks, let's stick with Airbus.
Yeah sure 🗿🗿
TEMU built.
Never gonna happen!