Gandolf the White you sure Lmfao www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/motorcycles/21868/now-indian-motorcycle-is-considering-moving-some-production-overseas%3fsource=dam
Matty Ghost so what else is new? Buicks are the best selling cars in China. They are made there and new GM parts are made there and sent to the US. Volvo is now owed by a Chinese company, made in China, imported to the US and an American plant is being built to make the Volvo here.
Gandolf the White Exactly boycott talk is foolish....Unless you build your own motorcycle like the Founders For Trump suggest. ...But Ooooops those steel tarrifs come into play....It will be very expensive to try to cover the overhead costs...Hell just buy a bmx bike..The little 9 yr Olds in the neighborhood will think you are cool lol..
Harley sells around 45,000 US made bikes a year in Europe. Due to the trade war Trump started, they are now subject to a 30% tax entering Europe. Instead of losing that market it is shifting assembly of the bikes it sells in Europe to a plant in Europe. Yes, Americans will loss jobs. If Harley does nothing they will loss their market share in Europe and Americans will also be out of work. They are not talking about moving any of the bikes they sell in the US overseas.
T Ko we were loyal to Harley even when they turned to cheap Chinese parts. Harley is no longer loyal to America- I’ll stick with a company who is loyal to America
Stupid Harley Davidson. Very, very stupid. You will lose many American customers now. Indian motorcycles are made in Minnesota and Iowa, and they are beautiful bikes!
CPN ... Are you high on drugs or are you just a bot .. Harley has been wanting to move its over seas production to europe for the last couple of years . Why? . Because of the tariffs that have been placed on their product they feel they can dodge that unfair trade tactic . That's the way all the company's have been handling the problem with the unfair tariffs that have been placed o our goods for decades . That's exactly what Trump is working on has said he would take care of and is a big part of why he has been elected .What Harley has done is due to the timing of their announcement is try to blame their decision to move on TRUMP , instead of staying here in the very country that has made them who they are . They are traitors and the American public is showing them that at this minute if you look t the stock market . They better not let the door hit them in the ass because I think that if you watch their will not be much to move . As far as the US falling in the hands of Russia I cannot believe that you even said that . Russia is a spec of shit on our American shoes . China might indeed worry about all the falling countries that have formed the EU together they represent a trade market of probably what China does with Russia . But I will say this the US is the one that everybody has been sucking hind tit off of for decades and guess what that shit is dead . And they are all I mean all China included waking up to that fact . That piggy bank that everybody has been digging into for billions of dollars a year to every damn open hand with a sob story or a terrorist to hide has been put away , China is a collapsing country and they are headed to the great depression of their own if they don't get smart . The US and Russia and China will soon be partners if you don't see that in the future I can't fix stupid
CPN what a load of horse droppings. The best selling car in China is the Buick. Many Buicks and the GM parts they make are imported to the USA. More horse droppings as Russia hasn't got its clutches on the US.
T Ko. It's not the reach of its market that makes it globalist. A company can be world wide without being globalist in ideology at least by its current definition which equates it with political and economic Neoliberalism. Not saying Polaris is globalist or isn't but does have its HQ in Minnesota and there are manufacturing plants in the U.S. making Indian motorcycles.
If someone wants something in life, they will earn their money and buy it. You stupid fucks. Sounds like Jason Jacobs and Guy Fawkes-Day have poor attitudes and limiting beliefs.
CPN that is why Harley started producing 2 smaller displacement bikes. A 750 and 500 street, you can also pick one up for yourself at your local Harley dealer if you are so inclined.
Perry Holmes - Isn't funny how these Trump supporters don't seem to care that Trump and Ivanka still make 99% of their merchandise in China and other 3rd world countries? Not to mention we already tried the "Be American, Buy American" with the Smoot-Hawley tariff and living standards dropped significantly for the poor and middle class as COGS rose and income did not. Tariffs are just a form of tax that consumers pay for, it contradicts what Trump supporters believe they stand for. There are other ways to encourage USA made products, adding a tax on goods isn't good for America.
Could be a large boost in sales for Indian Motorcycles. There are other alternatives to a Harley. They are overpriced with antiquated technology and a customer base that although is loyal will, for the most part, support President Trump. Harley committed the unforgivable sin......They bit the hand that fed them.
Harley has NEVER been American...take a close look..Japanese electrics, Japanese Shocks, Japanese fuel feed......and they make their money on no-bike parts like $500 Chinese leather jackets.....
Angie: And Abe Lincoln was American in 1864...so what? Harley stopped being an American bike before you were born......American Pride? Hahahahahahaha,,I am sure that is what the suckers who paid $500 for that Harley Chinese made leather jacket are saying....by the way I bought a similar leather jacket without the Harley logo for $27 at B&Fsystem.com in Texas..
Wrong you dumb fuck www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/motorcycles/21868/now-indian-motorcycle-is-considering-moving-some-production-overseas%3fsource=dam
Thanks and don't worry. WE WILL win this. We will either convert to Indian or have Harley begging for our forgiveness for their momentary lapse of reason as they declare they aren't doing this after all.
Actually the people have done so much for you Trump and you still disown Humanity. Trump isn't on humanity's side. He is on his side and his alone and has stomped on the backs of many the same backs that support him still. Slavery of the mental kind still exists as does it in the physical , both take the same energy and strength to break free from.
Michae Plush Harley Davidson isn't even an American bike it's as fake as trumps made in China maga hats lol...He playing you folks that don't understand business 101...51% of Harley Davidson's parts are made in China, Japan, India and Germany..You people are so stupid it's not even funny...If you want a manly American bike buy and Indian bike it's 87% American lol...
now Indian wants to go overseas www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/motorcycles/21868/now-indian-motorcycle-is-considering-moving-some-production-overseas%3fsource=dam
Trump shouldn't give anyone business advice. Every business he's ever put his hands on has lost money and eventually went bankrupt. The only thing he's ever successfully done is launder money for Russians
Last year I went and bought me a 2017 Screaming Eagle St. glide custom and I pay a lot of money for it. And if Harley Davidson wants to go overseas to build their bikes for more profit to be sold here in the states I will be getting rid of this bike in a heartbeat to hell with them.
Trump imposes tariffs on Europe, Europe retaliates. Ends result is Harley is hit with an extra 30% on its bikes; $100 Million costs per year on the 45,000 or so bikes it makes in America and exports to Europe. They are going to now assemble those bikes in Europe. They are the victims of a trade war Trump started. The american employees who use to assemble those 45,000 are also the victims. They are not talking about shifting the bikes they sell in the US out of the US.
Oscar Utrera yes, but that plant over seas isn't exporting out to supply the U.S. to impot back in.., it's to supply Eu... But then the U.S loses on exporting... peace
Lies, Harley already had plans to move manufacturing to Thailand long before any tariffs were announced. Harley is biting the hands that feed them. Reagan saved Harley with tariffs on foreign bikes in the 80s. This is how they thank us. Harley would have died 40 years ago without us bikers who wanted an American Bike and Reagan. Buy an Indian, MAGA!
Harley has forgotten who has supported them all these years. Reagan used tariffs to save Harley because they were the last American motorcycle manufacturer. And this is how Harley rewards us.
Down 12% from the previous year. The rest of the world wasn't keeping Harley alive for decades. If Reagan hadn't put tariffs on foreign motorcycles in the 80s Harley would have collapsed and shut the doors. I wonder how Harley will get by if they lose 20-30% of their sales in the US...
We'll see, the only reason Americans buy Harleys is because of being American made. I hate to burst your bubble. If they want to be making bikes overseas, we have many more choices if all we have left is Foreign made bikes. My next bike will be an Indian if they go through with this.
No matter how much i disagree with Trump in many fields. But you have a point here. I can`t imagine an american Caucasian male riding an asian made Harley with pride. That`s out of the picture.
You are so right. Even when the bonnie leaked oil as if it was free it was still a better bike. Only the yamaha ripoff did not leak oil so everybody went for that. No oily shoes see?.
Indians are 87% made in the USA, Harley 51%. In my book Indian is more American. Polaris Headquarters, Medina, MN. They sure do sell all over the world. So? They make their bikes in the USA.
harley davidson is an american icon. It is difficult to go any where with out seeing one. My self can not count the number of times a Harley has been represented in the motion picture industry. i purchased a honda. could never afford a Harley at the time. HOWEVER i have never seen so many Harley's being sold right now. My personnel take on this is that if Harley does move out the value of the bike will drop greatly. Thus the reason so many people are selling theirs now. I would.
Well... time is prime for a new real american motorcycle brand... made in the USA by americans... not afro-americans, not mexican-americans or any other something-americans... but just Americans. US Americans. #LongLiveMrTrump! #NicetoknowyaHarley! cheers!
Redscope I've never seen a slave build anything. If that was true they wouldn't be slaves in the first place. A primitive low iq people can't build anything at all, they can work for those who can.
I meant Americans including those that LEGALLY immigrated to the US... I think that its time that people ditch the this-american that-american thing... and start to call themselves Americans... because that what they are... Americans... that would be a nice way to start forgetting about racism, but yeah... failure to note that came out like a racist comment... xD So in short, Someone could take this oportunity to build an all american motorbike company that compares and tops Harley Davidson... cheers!
This is the dumbest thing a company has ever done. Have they no idea who buys their bikes? The second they said they were moving to Europe I knew this would be the reaction, and I'm not even a biker!
Good support for the bikers to remember, "Made In America" slogan that Trump wants us to keep companies here in America and makes more jobs for Americans.
My brother bought a pair of Harley Davidson boots quite expensive. they did not last 6 months. Give me a pair of Sears steel toed black Wellington boots, lasted for years .they were great on the construction site and good for kickin ass if neccessary
JW It’s funny that I used to use all my friends with Harley Davison’s and tell them they had to carry a case oil as bad as the damn bike with legal oil
A Harley is like a RV. A weekend thing. If you buy a Harley as everyday transportation, I hope your boss understands why you keep missing time because you can't get to work. They are by far he biggest money pit you can buy. Take any 20 yr old Honda and a brand new Harley and head out. I'll bet the farm the Harley breaks down 1st. I sold Harleys overpriced parts at a dealer. Its a beautiful piece of art...But its junk as a motorcycle.
BS, Harley Davidson, know this isn’t about them. So why make it about them. Hell that right, that the soul of bikers, take that bike apart , rebuild her and make her better with anything they have. We can’t always afford brand new machines parts. So we use what we have , old parts, rebuild parts. That The bikers soul and Harley Davidson just happen to be there and cash in. A lot of us are VETERANS and Americans we just don’t jump ship, just because we see room fill with water on a ship or a road wash out. We fixed and move on. I support the Americans vet and bikers of America. We don’t need no badge to show we love our country. JUST OUR RUNNING BIKE.
corkysierra12 Its why people get laid off, fired or hired... Supply and demand business 101...Use the left side of your brain for cognitive thought its actually good for you lmfao....
BMW is a far superior bike hands down, for what your pay for you sure don't get a lot with a Harley. ever hear a rock go up under the fender on a new Street Glide? such a disappointment.
They getting hit on both sides. They're not closing US production at all they just openning up in Thailand to sell to EU. Anyways we have Indian Motorcycle here
H A I'll sell my hog soon as everything with trumps name to include his daughter fashion line is made in USA you guys are hypocrites he's good are not made in USA I know a shot load of HD riders that aren't trump supporters as well as retired veterans because I'm one
Harley Davidson only assembles their bikes here in the USA. The parts including motors and drive trains or manufactured all over the world and have been for years. They open their first manufacturing plant in Brazil in 1998.
Im not american but that just a sell out according to me. Anyway he right, harley has been thinking of moving outside US for quite sometimes and they think this is the best time to do it as they have "financial reason" to move out from US...trump tariff war..the thing is this could end up badly for harley..not only they will lose their most loyal customer but they couldn't attract new overseas customer as everyone overseas know that their move is un american..
This dude hit the nail on the head. I've been going through my old Springer and customizing with all American parts. S&s, performance machine, headwinds to name a few. It's costing me a pretty penny but I'll be damned if I'm gonna ride the streets of Milwaukee (where the weak are killed and eaten) on a Harley with filthy Chinese parts on it.
Maybe somebody can explain this to me? Or maybe I got something wrong. My understanding is that HD has a manufacturing plant in the U.S. and has had to deal with U.S. steel import tariffs. Then various countries started levying tariffs on HD products. So for its U.S. customers, HD decided to continue manufacturing their product in the U.S, However, for other countries they decided to manufacture their product in Thailand. In this way, they are able to avoid U.S. steel imports as well as tariffs for their non-U.S. customers. This sounds perfectly reasonable to me unless, as I said, I got something wrong.
Not quite. They have plants in Brazil, Australia, Thailand that supply local markets. They use to make the bikes they sold in Europe in the US. Trump imposes tariffs on steel from EU, the EU retaliates. Ends result is a 30% tariff on bikes make in the US when being sold in Europe. They export around 45,000 bikes per year to Europe and the Middle East. To avoid the $100 Million a year in tariffs they are going to start assembling the bikes they sell in Europe in a European plant.
Harley was already planning ona plant overseas before President Trump even started talking about the tarrifs. Now Harley is just using that as an excuse to produce bikes overseas to try and show it justified.
They already have plants in Brazil, Australia and Asia that serve those regional markets. They opened those plants for business reasons not because of what the US president (Obama) was taking about. The shift of production for bikes destined to the European market was made for bushiness reason, namely new tariffs in Europe (that was in retaliation to Trump). The press found it financial filling and turned it into a story. I think Harley would have been happier to not move production or to move quietly with little public attention.
Richard Menke - I don't quite understand what you are saying ... what you're calling an "excuse to produce bikes overseas to try and show it is justified", seems to me to be a good reason to expand their overseas production.
The talks for moves was already in process before the tarrifs from President Trump were in play. They are using the tarrifs as an excuse to justify the move. You should look it up, I did and found out the move had nothing to do with the new tarrifs.
Remember all the tariffs that the Trump Administration are putting out are causing people to lose their jobs okay so try to remember that like Canada doesn't have a single Orange from Florida all their oranges are getting from South America and Harley-Davidsons only one company see who else quits and leaves
Uneducated? When things start getting tough It’ll be The guys that can tear down a motor and fix things that will survive.. your so called education won’t get you anywhere. Think about that
@ a Sea Oasis, Educated enough to understand economics 101, tarries are added taxes on the consumer . Trade wars don't work. Also educated enough to have heard of president Hoover.
Harley just needs to build modern motorcycles that can actually go around corners and accelerate and stop properly. They had Buell and ruined it because they want to build 1930's motorcycles.
So when is Trump going to start making his clothing line in America? He's had all of his manufacturing of the Trump line overseas and has no plans to change it, but tampons sure get wet when other companies manufacture things overseas it seems. Where is his support for the American worker?
George B: Grow up….were you losing for 8-years before (you probably think so)? People like you seem to be too dumb to get over being so stupid. But I wish you well and hope you live forever....just the way you are.
When Harley-Davidson announced their decision to move jobs overseas did they not remember who their customers are? Harley-Davidson owners are and have always been patriotic Americans. Thanks you so much "Bikers for Trump"!!!
H-D motorcycles are only assembled here in the USA. All the parts including motors and drivetrain are manufactured all over the world. They opened their first manufacturing facility in Brazil in 2009. They are not the great American company they like to brag about.
HARLEY AINT HARLEY ANYMORE. I WOULDNT BUY A NEW HARLEY. IN FACT, IF SOMEONE OFFERED A ME A NEW HARLEY. I WOULDNT TAKE IT. THEY ARE MADE WITH CHEAP IMPORT PARTS NOW.
I totally agree!! I was riding a Buell when Harley owned them and then went to Victory motorcycles because they had more American parts... To me pulling the plug on Buell was a huge disappointment! Any motorcyclist can see the mismanagement of the company now!. How many million$ did they put into their electric bike and travel around the country in beautiful Rigs giving test rides and it's NOT EVEN FOR SALE!!. The American made Zero electric bike is doing good. Not to mention the HD "Streets" model that is "fun" size! It's Disgraceful what HD is doing..Another big American company that will be mismanaged into dust unless they do a 180° turn.
had hd hat said made in Bangladesh. had hd sportster, pistons made in Japan, electronics made in China, tires mexico, etc... to be called made in America and not be sued 75% has to be true. most that put origin USA is legal dodging and only maybe assembled in USA and likely very minimal at that
Congratulations to Chris sticking with the President . My family - my son - Grandsons - My Nephew’s are all Harley -my Grandson recently refurbished an old Harley - so as Chris says they will find other ways to get the parts they need. GO AMERICAN 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It's THE PEOPLE. Not the company or companies. They move out of the country, and you'll see a boycott of Harley that will spin your head. The only reason any biker puts up with their junk in the first place, is because it's American made.
What's wrong with making Harley in EU for EU customers? They make BMW, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Kia etc in states for U.S customers??? A lot of people don't know those 'German' cars are made in U.S but it is what it is.
Harleys sold in America will still be built in America, only the bikes sold on Europe and other markets will be built abroad, the reason for that is because it will cost 3k in taxes to export them from the US to those places, if the bikes cost more they will sell less, if they sell less they earn less, and the stockholders such as 401ks and investment funds get less returns, you guys do understand that right.
Its not that HD is un-American, they are trying to run a business and these tariffs are going to hurt HD. If someone looses loyalty to HD because they want to move elsewhere, they are fools.
I sold my bike over a year ago. I remember going into Harley dealership, was gonna buy a badge, they wanted $75.00 for a plastic chrome plated Harley badge, and it had a sticker on it, said made in China! I thought we were paying for the American craftsmanship, but with more research, they price it like it's American craftsmanship, but most of it is Chinese junk. So, Harley has been screwing consumers for a good while. Just using what used to be an American name.
Harley's sold in US are made in the US. Are they saying that companies should ignore basic economics and rather than buy parts based on quality and price they should buy more expensive and poorer quality parts just because they are made in the US? It is entirely normal for a large company with sales around the world to have production centres in different parts of the world - it is simple cost economics.
The bikes sold in the US are still made in the US. With the tariff it was no longer possible to sell bikes to Europe (at a profit), so they had to set up a plant overseas to build bikes for that market (just like every car manufacturer does). Their only other option was to just stop shipping to Europe and fire US workers making them, become a smaller company and try to survive. What other option did they have?
I'm conflicted. I thought the factory being built in Europe was specifically for parts for bikes built and sold overseas and would not effect U.S. made bikes. If so, this is a smart move for Harley Davidson and the backlash is unwarranted. I ride a Harley and if I'm wrong, please let me know.
Guys who can't afford a fully American made bike are the most vocal. Do you guys not see the reason why the other companies went under? Harley is in business because they do what is necessary. Indian will be struggling in a couple of months, mark my words. Employed folk really bring feelings into business, why would you let your struggling company sink altogether just because you are trying to be patriotic? Americans have failed HD, not the other way around. If you cannot afford to run a business under certain conditions, then why continue wasting investors money? When Indian falls because they were patriotic, or hike service charges because you let the other companies fall because they were not "patriotic" enough, how will you afford the bikes? The biggest question that Americans are not asking right now is, now that you have shown your allies and companies how unreasonable you can be, what will stop those billionaires from empowering other communities and countries in order to increase their standings in the international market? The rest of the world combined is much bigger than the U.S domestic market, and the sales of your goods have been increasing internationally while declining domestically. These companies belong to private entities. They will all bail in due time, because, they are in the business of making profit, not business of patriotism. That is why you guys still thinking Canadas healthcare system is a joke as they get brilliant medical services while your companies charge so high that you cannot afford healthcare. You would rather buy a HD and keep their presence in the domestic market and the jobs too and taxes, than bring emotions into your decision and lose out altogether.
BBBBIIIIGGG oportunity for a American made motorcycle company launch. Name it "America inc" and make motorcycles and watch Harley dissapear into the dustbin of history.
Harley makes more money off of merchandize like t-shirts than selling bikes. There going to lose a lot of money in the USA .
who cares?
Harley losing money because the bikes are a piece of junk.
Joe Mannix- who cares
jacobtheboy you cared enough to comment
the gamer - no I didn't
Perfect opportunity for another Made in America brand to leverage over Harley’s Judas moment.
Yeah like honda.
Canes 4Lyfe think INDIAN.
Gandolf the White you sure Lmfao
www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/motorcycles/21868/now-indian-motorcycle-is-considering-moving-some-production-overseas%3fsource=dam
Matty Ghost so what else is new? Buicks are the best selling cars in China. They are made there and new GM parts are made there and sent to the US. Volvo is now owed by a Chinese company, made in China, imported to the US and an American plant is being built to make the Volvo here.
Gandolf the White Exactly boycott talk is foolish....Unless you build your own motorcycle like the Founders For Trump suggest. ...But Ooooops those steel tarrifs come into play....It will be very expensive to try to cover the overhead costs...Hell just buy a bmx bike..The little 9 yr Olds in the neighborhood will think you are cool lol..
YES! We are no longer buying a Harley next year!
Harley sells around 45,000 US made bikes a year in Europe. Due to the trade war Trump started, they are now subject to a 30% tax entering Europe. Instead of losing that market it is shifting assembly of the bikes it sells in Europe to a plant in Europe. Yes, Americans will loss jobs. If Harley does nothing they will loss their market share in Europe and Americans will also be out of work. They are not talking about moving any of the bikes they sell in the US overseas.
T Ko we were loyal to Harley even when they turned to cheap Chinese parts. Harley is no longer loyal to America- I’ll stick with a company who is loyal to America
But Japanese!
It will be funny as hell to see those tough guy bikers wanna-be's riding Vespas !!!
Try the new bikes Keanu Reeves is now manufacturing
Stupid Harley Davidson. Very, very stupid. You will lose many American customers now. Indian motorcycles are made in Minnesota and Iowa, and they are beautiful bikes!
Over 87% American made parts. Only 51% for Harley. Buy an Indian MAGA!
i didn't know indian was still in business
Zanzibar979 I dont think the market outside the United States is that big for Indian
CPN ... Are you high on drugs or are you just a bot .. Harley has been wanting to move its over seas production to europe for the last couple of years . Why? . Because of the tariffs that have been placed on their product they feel they can dodge that unfair trade tactic . That's the way all the company's have been handling the problem with the unfair tariffs that have been placed o our goods for decades . That's exactly what Trump is working on has said he would take care of and is a big part of why he has been elected .What Harley has done is due to the timing of their announcement is try to blame their decision to move on TRUMP , instead of staying here in the very country that has made them who they are . They are traitors and the American public is showing them that at this minute if you look t the stock market . They better not let the door hit them in the ass because I think that if you watch their will not be much to move . As far as the US falling in the hands of Russia I cannot believe that you even said that . Russia is a spec of shit on our American shoes . China might indeed worry about all the falling countries that have formed the EU together they represent a trade market of probably what China does with Russia .
But I will say this the US is the one that everybody has been sucking hind tit off of for decades and guess what that shit is dead . And they are all I mean all China included waking up to that fact . That piggy bank that everybody has been digging into for billions of dollars a year to every damn open hand with a sob story or a terrorist to hide has been put away , China is a collapsing country and they are headed to the great depression of their own if they don't get smart .
The US and Russia and China will soon be partners if you don't see that in the future I can't fix stupid
CPN what a load of horse droppings. The best selling car in China is the Buick. Many Buicks and the GM parts they make are imported to the USA. More horse droppings as Russia hasn't got its clutches on the US.
My brother in-law just bought an Indian Big Chief Vintage, because of this. He didn't even consider a Harley.
T Ko. It's not the reach of its market that makes it globalist. A company can be world wide without being globalist in ideology at least by its current definition which equates it with political and economic Neoliberalism.
Not saying Polaris is globalist or isn't but does have its HQ in Minnesota and there are manufacturing plants in the U.S. making Indian motorcycles.
Polaris, the parent corp. of Indian has announce it is planning on moving out of the US.
petey bull, maybe you go that way, but I don't.
The Toyota Tundra has more American made parts, than the Ford F150. Look it up.
petey bull, I've been riding motorcycles for more than 40 years, just so you know.
I won't buy a Harley now bad move Harley-Davidson
You would be better served if you actually read the article where Harley states what they will be doing .
😂🤣you never could have bought one , you broke piece of shit
If someone wants something in life, they will earn their money and buy it. You stupid fucks.
Sounds like Jason Jacobs and Guy Fawkes-Day have poor attitudes and limiting beliefs.
I’ll just keep rebuilding my old Harley.
Harley riders are a lifestyle. And these people will continue to buy the product and accessories. They do not want Harley's made in any other country.
aside from engine and frame ALL the parts of a Harley are imported from Japan or Germany...LOL....so much for being American....LOL
CPN that is why Harley started producing 2 smaller displacement bikes. A 750 and 500 street, you can also pick one up for yourself at your local Harley dealer if you are so inclined.
750 and 500 cc....Hahahahaha they tried that before back in the 70's...nobody bought them then and nobody will buy them now.....
Ken Mclean oh well. Be American, buy American.
Perry Holmes - Isn't funny how these Trump supporters don't seem to care that Trump and Ivanka still make 99% of their merchandise in China and other 3rd world countries?
Not to mention we already tried the "Be American, Buy American" with the Smoot-Hawley tariff and living standards dropped significantly for the poor and middle class as COGS rose and income did not. Tariffs are just a form of tax that consumers pay for, it contradicts what Trump supporters believe they stand for. There are other ways to encourage USA made products, adding a tax on goods isn't good for America.
Could be a large boost in sales for Indian Motorcycles. There are other alternatives to a Harley. They are overpriced with antiquated technology and a customer base that although is loyal will, for the most part, support President Trump. Harley committed the unforgivable sin......They bit the hand that fed them.
Mickey Authement Harley Davidson's competitors are loving this action.
Harley has NEVER been American...take a close look..Japanese electrics, Japanese Shocks, Japanese fuel feed......and they make their money on no-bike parts like $500 Chinese leather jackets.....
False false false
Never say Never
Chad Never? William and Arthur would kick your ass for saying something that stupid.
Angie: And Abe Lincoln was American in 1864...so what? Harley stopped being an American bike before you were born......American Pride? Hahahahahahaha,,I am sure that is what the suckers who paid $500 for that Harley Chinese made leather jacket are saying....by the way I bought a similar leather jacket without the Harley logo for $27 at B&Fsystem.com in Texas..
chad and you probably wear a fake Chinese Cowboy's jersey, right? I would be a grouch too, If I was broke as you, wannbe.
Indian sales will soar. Nice to know Mr Varney has also suffered with Meriden Triumphs
BritishBiker Philippines
Trump will never accept responsibility for his messes
cyberbob19 These stupidos don't understand business 101...Protect the bottom line lol...
Wrong you dumb fuck
www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/motorcycles/21868/now-indian-motorcycle-is-considering-moving-some-production-overseas%3fsource=dam
Polaris, the parent corp. of Indian has announce it is planning on moving out of the US.
Indian Motorcycles is shifting jobs from Iowa to Poland as a result of Trump's stupid trade war.
They already make their smallest street bikes in China. Nobody's talking about that, shame on Harley Davidson, hello Indian motorcycles!
Disabled veteran for Trump; I don't have the balls to ride a motorcycle but I stand behind the bikers.
Thanks and don't worry. WE WILL win this. We will either convert to Indian or have Harley begging for our forgiveness for their momentary lapse of reason as they declare they aren't doing this after all.
Curtis Lee your salty tears are delicious
Actually the people have done so much for you Trump and you still disown Humanity. Trump isn't on humanity's side. He is on his side and his alone and has stomped on the backs of many the same backs that support him still. Slavery of the mental kind still exists as does it in the physical , both take the same energy and strength to break free from.
you sound very much like a typical Trumpster
macpony2571780 but you had the balls to face an enemy who disabled you and that takes much more balls than riding a motorcycle.
I agree with Trump.
Michae Plush Harley Davidson isn't even an American bike it's as fake as trumps made in China maga hats lol...He playing you folks that don't understand business 101...51% of Harley Davidson's parts are made in China, Japan, India and Germany..You people are so stupid it's not even funny...If you want a manly American bike buy and Indian bike it's 87% American lol...
now Indian wants to go overseas
www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/motorcycles/21868/now-indian-motorcycle-is-considering-moving-some-production-overseas%3fsource=dam
Trump shouldn't give anyone business advice. Every business he's ever put his hands on has lost money and eventually went bankrupt. The only thing he's ever successfully done is launder money for Russians
Last year I went and bought me a 2017 Screaming Eagle St. glide custom and I pay a lot of money for it. And if Harley Davidson wants to go overseas to build their bikes for more profit to be sold here in the states I will be getting rid of this bike in a heartbeat to hell with them.
Trump imposes tariffs on Europe, Europe retaliates. Ends result is Harley is hit with an extra 30% on its bikes; $100 Million costs per year on the 45,000 or so bikes it makes in America and exports to Europe. They are going to now assemble those bikes in Europe. They are the victims of a trade war Trump started. The american employees who use to assemble those 45,000 are also the victims. They are not talking about shifting the bikes they sell in the US out of the US.
Oscar Utrera yes, but that plant over seas isn't exporting out to supply the U.S. to impot back in.., it's to supply Eu... But then the U.S loses on exporting... peace
Lies, Harley already had plans to move manufacturing to Thailand long before any tariffs were announced. Harley is biting the hands that feed them. Reagan saved Harley with tariffs on foreign bikes in the 80s. This is how they thank us. Harley would have died 40 years ago without us bikers who wanted an American Bike and Reagan. Buy an Indian, MAGA!
Nobody wants a "Chinese" Harley!
Don't Do It! Harley !
Donate and support Chris Cox and Bikers For Trump!
Harley has forgotten who has supported them all these years. Reagan used tariffs to save Harley because they were the last American motorcycle manufacturer. And this is how Harley rewards us.
Down 12% from the previous year. The rest of the world wasn't keeping Harley alive for decades. If Reagan hadn't put tariffs on foreign motorcycles in the 80s Harley would have collapsed and shut the doors. I wonder how Harley will get by if they lose 20-30% of their sales in the US...
We'll see, the only reason Americans buy Harleys is because of being American made. I hate to burst your bubble. If they want to be making bikes overseas, we have many more choices if all we have left is Foreign made bikes. My next bike will be an Indian if they go through with this.
No matter how much i disagree with Trump in many fields. But you have a point here. I can`t imagine an american Caucasian male riding an asian made Harley with pride. That`s out of the picture.
They are responsible to their investors, the stock holders before loyalty to country. Welcome to capitalism. The GOP's god.
n stop sayin harley is american made...they havent been made in america fer years.....
Triumphs are great bikes, as well.
You are so right. Even when the bonnie leaked oil as if it was free it was still a better bike. Only the yamaha ripoff did not leak oil so everybody went for that. No oily shoes see?.
Move over Harley! America is going Native! Indian!
Harley is run poorly these days. Slow to react to market changes, missed marketing and design.
Trump has nothing to do with their mistakes.
Indian bikes were always the better american bike.
Indians are 87% made in the USA, Harley 51%. In my book Indian is more American. Polaris Headquarters, Medina, MN. They sure do sell all over the world. So? They make their bikes in the USA.
Lol, and Hondasells much more than Harley? What's your point? You fucked in the head Marxist douchebag.
harley davidson is an american icon. It is difficult to go any where with out seeing one. My self can not count the number of times a Harley has been represented in the motion picture industry. i purchased a honda. could never afford a Harley at the time. HOWEVER i have never seen so many Harley's being sold right now. My personnel take on this is that if Harley does move out the value of the bike will drop greatly. Thus the reason so many people are selling theirs now. I would.
Well... time is prime for a new real american motorcycle brand... made in the USA by americans... not afro-americans, not mexican-americans or any other something-americans... but just Americans. US Americans.
#LongLiveMrTrump!
#NicetoknowyaHarley!
cheers!
Redscope native Americans got their name from an European and they did NOT build America
Redscope I've never seen a slave build anything. If that was true they wouldn't be slaves in the first place. A primitive low iq people can't build anything at all, they can work for those who can.
I meant Americans including those that LEGALLY immigrated to the US... I think that its time that people ditch the this-american that-american thing... and start to call themselves Americans... because that what they are... Americans... that would be a nice way to start forgetting about racism, but yeah... failure to note that came out like a racist comment... xD
So in short, Someone could take this oportunity to build an all american motorbike company that compares and tops Harley Davidson...
cheers!
rick9021090210 Exactly! Buy American and hire American! Trump is the greatest!
I bet most of you turds don't ,and cannot wrench on your own bikes.
Keep brown nosing old draft dodgin dildonald. Shows what you are really made of.
This is the dumbest thing a company has ever done. Have they no idea who buys their bikes? The second they said they were moving to Europe I knew this would be the reaction, and I'm not even a biker!
I live a very happy life without the NFL or a Harley Davidson motorcycle. I stand with Trump.
Meet John Doe Ride a mountain bike lmfao fuck motorcycles
@@mattyghost3409 Ask your mommy to get one for you
Good support for the bikers to remember, "Made In America" slogan that Trump wants us
to keep companies here in America and makes more jobs for Americans.
My brother bought a pair of Harley Davidson boots quite expensive. they did not last 6 months. Give me a pair of Sears steel toed black Wellington boots, lasted for years .they were great on the construction site and good for kickin ass if neccessary
JW It’s funny that I used to use all my friends with Harley Davison’s and tell them they had to carry a case oil as bad as the damn bike with legal oil
Don't disparage an American company for marketing overseas. It's one of the things we've always done best.
A Harley is like a RV. A weekend thing. If you buy a Harley as everyday transportation, I hope your boss understands why you keep missing time because you can't get to work. They are by far he biggest money pit you can buy. Take any 20 yr old Honda and a brand new Harley and head out. I'll bet the farm the Harley breaks down 1st. I sold Harleys overpriced parts at a dealer. Its a beautiful piece of art...But its junk as a motorcycle.
BS, Harley Davidson, know this isn’t about them. So why make it about them. Hell that right, that the soul of bikers, take that bike apart , rebuild her and make her better with anything they have. We can’t always afford brand new machines parts. So we use what we have , old parts, rebuild parts. That The bikers soul and Harley Davidson just happen to be there and cash in. A lot of us are VETERANS and Americans we just don’t jump ship, just because we see room fill with water on a ship or a road wash out. We fixed and move on. I support the Americans vet and bikers of America. We don’t need no badge to show we love our country. JUST OUR RUNNING BIKE.
Shame on you Harley Davidson. This is all about money?
corkysierra12 Its why people get laid off, fired or hired... Supply and demand business 101...Use the left side of your brain for cognitive thought its actually good for you lmfao....
BMW is a far superior bike hands down,
for what your pay for you sure don't get a lot with a Harley.
ever hear a rock go up under the fender on a new Street Glide?
such a disappointment.
PUT AMERICA FIRST MAGA GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY
They getting hit on both sides. They're not closing US production at all they just openning up in Thailand to sell to EU. Anyways we have Indian Motorcycle here
Boycott Harley Davidson
H A -What a shithole USA.
H A I'll sell my hog soon as everything with trumps name to include his daughter fashion line is made in USA you guys are hypocrites he's good are not made in USA I know a shot load of HD riders that aren't trump supporters as well as retired veterans because I'm one
Harley Davidson only assembles their bikes here in the USA. The parts including motors and drive trains or manufactured all over the world and have been for years. They open their first manufacturing plant in Brazil in 1998.
Good to see Fox Business News interviewing experts on international trade when it comes to tariffs.
The Honest Broker gave me a good laugh
Harley screams America or are they screaming for money?
Some very sweet Indians..
WTF? Is Harley Davidson that stupid? Real bikers will demand American Made.
hello indian motorcycles!
100% 👍👍👍👍👍
Im not american but that just a sell out according to me. Anyway he right, harley has been thinking of moving outside US for quite sometimes and they think this is the best time to do it as they have "financial reason" to move out from US...trump tariff war..the thing is this could end up badly for harley..not only they will lose their most loyal customer but they couldn't attract new overseas customer as everyone overseas know that their move is un american..
NOT moving production to Europe, but to THAILAND
BUY INDIAN!
This dude hit the nail on the head. I've been going through my old Springer and customizing with all American parts. S&s, performance machine, headwinds to name a few. It's costing me a pretty penny but I'll be damned if I'm gonna ride the streets of Milwaukee (where the weak are killed and eaten) on a Harley with filthy Chinese parts on it.
#MAGA
Odnum Garcia That maga hat is made in China and by that Hispanic last name you might get deported you better hide your isp lmfao
This is true, h.d. Has been talking about moving over to Europe for the last few decades.
INDIAN!
The iconic Harley brand will be boycotted if they move production out of the US
Maybe somebody can explain this to me? Or maybe I got something wrong. My understanding is that HD has a manufacturing plant in the U.S. and has had to deal with U.S. steel import tariffs. Then various countries started levying tariffs on HD products. So for its U.S. customers, HD decided to continue manufacturing their product in the U.S, However, for other countries they decided to manufacture their product in Thailand. In this way, they are able to avoid U.S. steel imports as well as tariffs for their non-U.S. customers. This sounds perfectly reasonable to me unless, as I said, I got something wrong.
Not quite. They have plants in Brazil, Australia, Thailand that supply local markets. They use to make the bikes they sold in Europe in the US. Trump imposes tariffs on steel from EU, the EU retaliates. Ends result is a 30% tariff on bikes make in the US when being sold in Europe. They export around 45,000 bikes per year to Europe and the Middle East. To avoid the $100 Million a year in tariffs they are going to start assembling the bikes they sell in Europe in a European plant.
Harley was already planning ona plant overseas before President Trump even started talking about the tarrifs. Now Harley is just using that as an excuse to produce bikes overseas to try and show it justified.
They already have plants in Brazil, Australia and Asia that serve those regional markets. They opened those plants for business reasons not because of what the US president (Obama) was taking about. The shift of production for bikes destined to the European market was made for bushiness reason, namely new tariffs in Europe (that was in retaliation to Trump). The press found it financial filling and turned it into a story. I think Harley would have been happier to not move production or to move quietly with little public attention.
Richard Menke - I don't quite understand what you are saying ... what you're calling an "excuse to produce bikes overseas to try and show it is justified", seems to me to be a good reason to expand their overseas production.
The talks for moves was already in process before the tarrifs from President Trump were in play. They are using the tarrifs as an excuse to justify the move. You should look it up, I did and found out the move had nothing to do with the new tarrifs.
Boycott Harley Davidson, drive 'em out of business and out of the the United States!
Trump screwed Harley and now badmouths Harley for trying to be able to exist as a company. FOX is on the wrong side of this debate.
Harley Davidson don’t sell out! Listen to the customer for the people! Everything should be made in the USA
So much for keeping jobs in the usa
if you worried about jobs, stop supporting open borders.
Have a nice Dave i got a job been there for 11 years . Tell your president quit sending companies out of the country
Remember all the tariffs that the Trump Administration are putting out are causing people to lose their jobs okay so try to remember that like Canada doesn't have a single Orange from Florida all their oranges are getting from South America and Harley-Davidsons only one company see who else quits and leaves
Clueless liberal alert!
Zee Pimp enjoy paying a ton of money for the things you love and want
I was going to buy a Harley. Shame... I will spend my money elsewhere
"I love the poorly educated"
RESISTING1 💝 How educated are you *Sir* ?
You love democrats how ignorant can you b
Uneducated? When things start getting tough It’ll be The guys that can tear down a motor and fix things that will survive.. your so called education won’t get you anywhere. Think about that
You’ll be crying in the empty isles of Cosco..
@ a Sea Oasis, Educated enough to understand economics 101, tarries are added taxes on the consumer . Trade wars don't work. Also educated enough to have heard of president Hoover.
Harley just needs to build modern motorcycles that can actually go around corners and accelerate and stop properly.
They had Buell and ruined it because they want to build 1930's motorcycles.
So when is Trump going to start making his clothing line in America?
He's had all of his manufacturing of the Trump line overseas and has no plans to change it, but tampons sure get wet when other companies manufacture things overseas it seems.
Where is his support for the American worker?
Why pay 50% tax here when you can pay 20% somewhere else. You must not be paying attention. His can't tell his companies what to do anymore.
Todd: LOL....you probably think Mexico is still gonna pay for the wall...even though he keeps trying to bill the US taxpayer for it.
No name: Answer to your left field question....Whenever I want to.
Steel Castle trump supporter and you make a good point. He needs to change that
George B: Grow up….were you losing for 8-years before (you probably think so)?
People like you seem to be too dumb to get over being so stupid.
But I wish you well and hope you live forever....just the way you are.
Good Riddens, get out of America Harley, you traitors. We will buy Indian bikes
If Trump came out against grand mothers I am convinced Trump supporters would denounce their own Grannies! lol
Na just yours
Tyrone Brown , that is because the liberal mind are easy to manipulate so easily convinced by Propaganda.Trump supporters has higher IQ.
I loved my grandma's to bad they are dead I'm sure they would not agree with you.
Tyrone Brown Haha I think you hit a nerve. DAMN SHAME AMERICANS FIGHTING AMERICANS OVER BS. UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. We Americans are divided.
Granny would have to pay attention, thats wright. LOL
Amazing news. Founder of "Bikers for Trump" supports Trump. Unbelievable.
When Harley-Davidson announced their decision to move jobs overseas did they not remember who their customers are? Harley-Davidson owners are and have always been patriotic Americans. Thanks you so much "Bikers for Trump"!!!
WE NEED A NEW BIKE CALLED THE "AMERICAN"
H-D motorcycles are only assembled here in the USA. All the parts including motors and drivetrain are manufactured all over the world. They opened their first manufacturing facility in Brazil in 2009. They are not the great American company they like to brag about.
HARLEY AINT HARLEY ANYMORE. I WOULDNT BUY A NEW HARLEY. IN FACT, IF SOMEONE OFFERED A ME A NEW HARLEY. I WOULDNT TAKE IT. THEY ARE MADE WITH CHEAP IMPORT PARTS NOW.
I totally agree!! I was riding a Buell when Harley owned them and then went to Victory motorcycles because they had more American parts... To me pulling the plug on Buell was a huge disappointment! Any motorcyclist can see the mismanagement of the company now!. How many million$ did they put into their electric bike and travel around the country in beautiful Rigs giving test rides and it's NOT EVEN FOR SALE!!. The American made Zero electric bike is doing good. Not to mention the HD "Streets" model that is "fun" size! It's Disgraceful what HD is doing..Another big American company that will be mismanaged into dust unless they do a 180° turn.
We love Trump period!
had hd hat said made in Bangladesh. had hd sportster, pistons made in Japan, electronics made in China, tires mexico, etc... to be called made in America and not be sued 75% has to be true. most that put origin USA is legal dodging and only maybe assembled in USA and likely very minimal at that
This will be a nail in Harley Davidsons coffin, if they decide to do this to America.
No more Harley Davidson in our family.
I’ll be your witness!!! Tell it like it is brother!...
all Harley logos have been stripped off my bike and clothes!
Larry
Americans don't help Americans then it's the end of America.
Congratulations to Chris sticking with the President . My family - my son - Grandsons - My Nephew’s are all Harley -my Grandson recently refurbished an old Harley - so as Chris says they will find other ways to get the parts they need. GO AMERICAN 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It's THE PEOPLE. Not the company or companies. They move out of the country, and you'll see a boycott of Harley that will spin your head. The only reason any biker puts up with their junk in the first place, is because it's American made.
Harley Davidson has 0 loyalty. We have to keep jobs in America and stop outsourcing them!! Now I know what bike I WON'T buy!!😡
What's wrong with making Harley in EU for EU customers? They make BMW, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Kia etc in states for U.S customers??? A lot of people don't know those 'German' cars are made in U.S but it is what it is.
Buy only American but expect other countries to buy our products and expect a fair trade deal. makes sense.
Thank you for your loyalty to America Chris
They were already failing. What’s wrong with taxing out of country goods. Canada has exorbitant taxes on goods from us. All nations do it.
This PATRIOT shows that his first love is his country not H-D... Proud of him! MAGA!!!
All I can say is by, by and stay there, and start making and buying made in Americans
Thank you Cris God bless you.
HD should move to California and leave all those substandard workers behind.
He didn’t slam carrier after he gave them a tax break and still after that sent some job south of the border. He never said anything about it.
Harleys sold in America will still be built in America, only the bikes sold on Europe and other markets will be built abroad, the reason for that is because it will cost 3k in taxes to export them from the US to those places, if the bikes cost more they will sell less, if they sell less they earn less, and the stockholders such as 401ks and investment funds get less returns, you guys do understand that right.
Its not that HD is un-American, they are trying to run a business and these tariffs are going to hurt HD. If someone looses loyalty to HD because they want to move elsewhere, they are fools.
I ride an Indian chieftain. I love it so much. Made in spirit lake, Iowa. Trump should visit the Indian factory and do a rally. 👍
Keep American 💯. Don't let greed or gold fever over whelm you
I sold my bike over a year ago. I remember going into Harley dealership, was gonna buy a badge, they wanted $75.00 for a plastic chrome plated Harley badge, and it had a sticker on it, said made in China! I thought we were paying for the American craftsmanship, but with more research, they price it like it's American craftsmanship, but most of it is Chinese junk. So, Harley has been screwing consumers for a good while. Just using what used to be an American name.
Harley's sold in US are made in the US. Are they saying that companies should ignore basic economics and rather than buy parts based on quality and price they should buy more expensive and poorer quality parts just because they are made in the US?
It is entirely normal for a large company with sales around the world to have production centres in different parts of the world - it is simple cost economics.
Thank you BIKERS for TRUMP. YOU are LOYAL. WE AMERICIANS will NEVER FORGET. MAGA
The bikes sold in the US are still made in the US. With the tariff it was no longer possible to sell bikes to Europe (at a profit), so they had to set up a plant overseas to build bikes for that market (just like every car manufacturer does). Their only other option was to just stop shipping to Europe and fire US workers making them, become a smaller company and try to survive. What other option did they have?
I'm conflicted. I thought the factory being built in Europe was specifically for parts for bikes built and sold overseas and would not effect U.S. made bikes. If so, this is a smart move for Harley Davidson and the backlash is unwarranted. I ride a Harley and if I'm wrong, please let me know.
HARLEY Stay in the USA!!!!
Guys who can't afford a fully American made bike are the most vocal. Do you guys not see the reason why the other companies went under? Harley is in business because they do what is necessary. Indian will be struggling in a couple of months, mark my words. Employed folk really bring feelings into business, why would you let your struggling company sink altogether just because you are trying to be patriotic? Americans have failed HD, not the other way around. If you cannot afford to run a business under certain conditions, then why continue wasting investors money? When Indian falls because they were patriotic, or hike service charges because you let the other companies fall because they were not "patriotic" enough, how will you afford the bikes?
The biggest question that Americans are not asking right now is, now that you have shown your allies and companies how unreasonable you can be, what will stop those billionaires from empowering other communities and countries in order to increase their standings in the international market? The rest of the world combined is much bigger than the U.S domestic market, and the sales of your goods have been increasing internationally while declining domestically. These companies belong to private entities. They will all bail in due time, because, they are in the business of making profit, not business of patriotism. That is why you guys still thinking Canadas healthcare system is a joke as they get brilliant medical services while your companies charge so high that you cannot afford healthcare. You would rather buy a HD and keep their presence in the domestic market and the jobs too and taxes, than bring emotions into your decision and lose out altogether.
BBBBIIIIGGG oportunity for a American made motorcycle company launch. Name it "America inc" and make motorcycles and watch Harley dissapear into the dustbin of history.
I've heard what the interviewee said about the move from other sources. Shows the lack of credibility by Harley.
Can’t America KEEP ONE ITEM that is made in the USA...geesh!
Once Harley is all American parts and labor, it is going to cost $50,000