I thought it might be, I also have the Approach gen 1 in 6.5cm and it shoots sub half moa with Gold Medal 140/130gr and Prime 130gr ammo. Great for shooting from a blind but at 11lbs it gets heavy stalking your game.
The weight restriction in idaho, if nobody has clarified, is 16lbs with everything scope sling and ammo. If it's over, you can't big game with it. The weight restriction is for big game only
I’m personally a fan of the muzzle brake . I understand your reasoning, but where I live suppressors are not an option. The recoil reduction/ spotting of your shot easily outweighs the minor annoyance of wearing hearing protection. I actually think that modern electronic hearing protection is an advantage when hunting if you get the right equipment. Great channel, love the content 👍
@@virtuaguyverify for pure recoil reduction, a muzzle brake will always be more effective. One device is expelling gas while the other is capturing it. A Magnum rifle that produces heavy recoil is much more enjoyable to shoot with a good muzzle brake.
@virtuaguyverify none of my cars or bikes have mufflers. Loud and proud baby. I shoot and it has a loud bang that's fun. If I wanted silence I'd use a bow.
AR in .223 is endlessly wonderful for coyote. I was hunting with a 123gr Hornady Black in my 6.5 Grendel. That heavy buggar was launching right through them… I swapped out for my .223 and I was dropping them like flies!
I've shot a bunch of coyotes with my AR-15 in 5.56 and I've never had one run off. And I've made some poor shots in my day. I shoot the cheapest 55 gr fmj ammunition too. I've shot javelina, whitetail, mule deer, feral hogs, jack rabbits, foxes, bobcats and never hit one that got away.
They are all cheap production rifles. All copying rem 700 that isn't great. All production rifles are a gamble. Some like Tikka are basically zero risk gamble.
AR15 16" 6ARC with 1-10× is my primary Hunting Rig for East Coast Deer and Hoggs . Q Mega Fix is 300 WSM is what I want to get once it comes out . They are gonna be coming out with Mega and Proper Fix Rifle . Mega is gonna be based off 300WM Size Cartridge and Proper is gonna be based off 375 Size Cartridge..
As a Canadian, suppressors being prohibited, and owning a Christensen Arms Mesa in 300 win mag, I’d only shoot it with a brake as my set up weighs less than 7.5 lb. So for me, I’m looking for threaded muzzles and or brakes on rifles when I am shopping for another long action
As a savage owner, I've owned three, and he's bang on with the rust, I had a older savage edge, and pretty much every time I took it out on a wet day I had to oil it after or it would rust. And yes the scopes are definitely cheap. Rhat being said, it always put the bullet where I wanted it to. So I tolerated it. Side note Yes coyotes are a tough animal to knock down with a small fast caliber, shot placement needs to be 150% accurate
I have had great experiences with multiple caliber on the axis ! From 243 to 6.5 creedmoor the scope is the trick ! I use sig buck master scope and get great results even a 300 yard shot on a coyote with 243 Many deer with the 223 but I usually break that out after I killed a buck with my TC 6.5 or 30/30.. I use 223 for doe and small stuff
The bushnell it comes with on the cheaper ones is mediocre, I did notice mine (270) seems to prefer hornady interlocks, it has a vortex diamondback on it now.
Mossberg Patriot 30-06 synthetic stock I bought when it first came out in 2015. I adjusted the trigger to 2lbs pull. I got 3/4 in group at 100 yards using the scope that it came with.The ammo was Remington core 185 grain. I paid $350 for it and thought it was a great purchase. Next year I shot a mule deer at 118 yards facing me. I actually shot the top of the heart it dropped where it stood. I never had any problems with accuracy. I even took it to a range that went out to over 1/2 mile. I shot 150 grain and went out to 400 yards. I was shooting 6 inch groups. The only thing I thought was very strange I didn't change the elevation. So I shot at 100 yards left to right dead center but was six inches high with the 150 grain. I haven't been able to figure it out. I probably need to sight it in again using my hunting load before I take it on a hunt. I have seen way too many videos where the rifle doesn't hold a true zero. Did I get lucky, or did Mossberg do something with the later models.
Your suppressor argument (muzzle brake vs. suppressor) is fair. However, for a fraction of the price of JUST the most inexpensive suppressor (tax stamps and app fees aside), there are a great many fantastic sets of ear muffs out there to be had. As a former musician with huge governmental trust issues, hearing is as important to me as staying out of government paperwork. Even when suppressed, the report of a rifle can still damage hearing, so a good set of muffs isn't a bad idea.
I know I am late for the party, but the Ruger American magazine problem can be easily fixed. I bought one 6 months ago and have had no problems at all with it. Love it!!!
My local Cabela's had an entire rack of the Savage Axis II rifles in 6.5 Creedmoor. There must have been a hundred of them, like the got a bulk price and just dropped them on the market. Like you said, scope included for $500-ish. I picked one up and it's actually the luck of the draw what you end up with. I would rank it 5 out of 10. And I noticed that the barrel was corroding just from my fingers. Not bad, but it was surprising. It was developing surface rust. So I oiled the hell out of it, and I keep the barrel wet. Not dripping, but wet. The action was a little rough until I got past the break in. When I did the first field strip cleaning I really polished/oiled up everything and now it's...passable. My range only goes out to 122 yards, so at 120 I was putting all the shots on a 10" diameter paper plate, with most in the 8" range and a few flyers. Not the best, but I am not a good shooter either. I can drop a large animal, that's about it. But my friends at my hunting club who are good shots have tried it and fared the same. The rifle just doesn't have it in itself to be accurate.
I hated my axis. The obnoxious trigger, the stock and the barrel. It was very inaccurate and 1 drop of water on the barrel and the whole thing is rusted to hell. So pretty bad blueing. Which is also the reason why most of my guns are cerakoted or stainless steel.
@@Brandenuzis Yeah, the more I use it the more I don't care for it. I actually don't mind the trigger, I have gotten used to it. But the fit/finish and trim are way low on the scale. But, it's got its purpose. There are places I won't take my nice rifles, so it has its place
You need to get a hold of a 223 load with a 77tmk in it. I think you will be flat out amazed at the trauma on game The biggest issue with anecdotes about 223 is that bullet selection is never mentioned and is often a mediocre performer.
I've shot many deer with various .223 bullets (62 grain fusion, 77 grain 75 bthp etc) Dropping them in their tracks isn't something to expect unless you hit near the cns. This goes for bigger cartridges like the .270 and 30-06 as well. Just aim for the spine or neck and they are drt
I recently bought a browning mtn pro in 6.5. Though I like the looks of a break the same diameter as the barrel which the recoil hog is NOT, it shoots lights out and is fairly lightweight and I have forced myself to start wearing a walker game ear which helps me hear whispers and definitely helped when sitting next to my grandkids as a spotter when shooting elk.
I've never shot with a brake, and never will. The other day I was at a public range shooting my 6.5 PRC (26"barrel, no brake) and down the way there was a guy with a 6.5 Creed with a big brake on it. It was insanely loud, and everyone else at the range was commenting on it. The guy pointed out that I was shooting a more powerful cartridge, but everyone agreed his was way louder.
I hunt with my 270 with a big ass brake. It's not hard to throw on some headphones for a quick shot. If you don't have a half second to pull down headphones over your ears you probably shouldn't be shooting at that animal anyways.
@@sergeantdwz5783I’ve been in a ton of still hunting situations in which I had zero time to don earmuffs but had a brilliant shot… I think your statement needs refining.
I have a Remington 770, chambered 30.06, the bolt slide is horrible, so i polished the bolt, it helped some, but i have had great luck with my deer takedowns. In Arizona mule deer hunt is a draw, and when i have had a tag, I have been able to take home a young buck and a nice big 10 point deer. Its at 6 deers in 6 years of hunting. Im looking into a newer 30.06 rifle, but like the old saying says, if it aint broken, why mess with it and it has maintained zeros in all the years i have had it, with two different scopes, i got one with morere zoom in power.
I've been a gunsmith for the last 7 years. the and the Rem. 770 is the only rifle I've had many of them come in to the shop. Everything else has been one rifle in each Model, 770 didn't get the memo lol
When I see bolt action rifles that are not accurate, most of the time the barrel is not free floated and every time it fires it wiggles then sticks then wiggles the other way and sticks. They never go back to neutral barrel position!
i have two savage axis in 350 legend i bought from cabelas up here in Michigan with the fancy camo stocks, and i personally haven’t had a problem with rust or accuracy. now i did put vortex SFP scopes on them and zeroed at 100yards with 180g winchester super x ammo.
I bought a Savage Axis II in .243. That rifle has no business being as accurate as it is. I liked it so much I got a stainless Axis II in 6.5 creedmore.
So far, no rust problem with my Axis. I'll watch closely, though. Lights out accuracy, well, for what I'm shooting. I got the Compact in .350 Legend. The trigger was pretty bad, probably the worst I've ever owned (not the AccuTrigger). Put an M*Carbo kit in. What a difference! Totally OK accuracy for deer with factory ammo (Fed. Power Shok 180gr.), but I've made some 165gr. handloads that are amazing, at least to me. The bolt is clunky, removing the bolt is a pain, the rifle is agonizingly ugly (except it shoots good), and I don't like the magazine. The scope that came with it is barely functional. I replaced it with an inexpensive 1-4 x 24. World of difference and I'll never need more scope at Legend ranges. So, my complaints are kind of superficial or easily remedied, and, I'll still trade it for a Ruger American when I get the chance.
I have a few Axis rifles and the rust problem is only real if you aren't prepared for it. After a day in wet woods, wipe it dry and put a new film of oil over it. It's not hard, but if you don't bring any supplies, it's your own fault. I've even had some Henry's that are so sensitive to rust, that simple finger/skin exposure will have a solid film of rust on/around the lever if you don't wipe it down with some Rem oil or similar product within a couple of days after handling. I'm just in the habit of having my supplies in camp and doing the touch-ups when necessary, and a good wipe down before coming home.
My mossberg patriot in 270 started out really bad action screws were too long and the rear one would bind up with the bolt if i tightened it so i had to file them shorter to get my action tight enough with out binding up my bolt and now it shoots great with the right ammo but it had a rough start.
That's great to hear one of the comments compliment Mossberg patriot 270 as I open my eyes to get one here and I have that little confidence made by comments
Bummed you have had such bad luck with the patriots. It was the first rifle I bought myself and was in 6.5 creedmoor with the wooden stock. Shot my first deer at 218 yards double lung and got my first buck at roughly 50 yards last year. I really enjoy the rifle. No doubt the ones you have are not good though. I wonder if it’s a quality control issue at mossberg or perhaps maybe something to do with the chambering. Thank you for honest and accurate reviews! I really enjoy the channel!
Mossberg won't disappoint you if minute of deer lungs is all the accuracy you ask from it, they'll do that job all day. But personally I'm a head/neck shot kind of guy, so I tend to favor Ruger, Savage, weatherby, etc. because I don't have a 6-8"kill circle I'm shooting for, it's more like 1.5-2". That said, there's nothing wrong with having something inexpensive that accomplishes what you need it to
They(Mossberg patriots/Mossberg centerfire rifles)) just hands down are one of the poorest made rifles in the budget rifles. They barely have any support how action mates to stock, and many of them break or crack in that area. The savage axis is probably the better of the cheapest end, then, Ruger A, and T/C venture if they still make them, a step up, but since Ruger As are in imaginary land prices of 500+$ range(price category they do not belong in) now, your better off with a HOWA, which is a way better built gun. I've also heard good on Rem 783 rifles. If don't mind used, some of the best deals for accuracy/money, is savage 110/10 series rifles. Often overlooked jems.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill well put. I'm a big fan of the savage 110's and 116's, if you can handle the extra $300 or so at the time of buying they're a way better buy than any of the "budget tier" guns
@@Northwoods208 If you get on places like gunbroker, sometimes you can find used 110/10 series rifles at similar prices as "budget rifles". I've seen barely used model 11s and 10s under $400. Just got to watch.
Thanks for sharing about your experience. I really appreciate it. Just a note, I use a blast forwarding device on my hunting ar rifle. Can't afford a suppressor yet! ;)
I’ve never had problems with my mossberg patriot 6.5 creedmore, mine is a synthetic stock and has always shot within a quarter since I’ve sighted it in
Luckily my Remingtons were purchased way back when they cared about the quality and workmanship however after getting into the lever action craze I am hooked on Henry rifles
I understand most of his talking points, but he is missing or overlooking a few things. Firstly weight must considered before a hunt. That browning x bolt pro would be perfect for a montana elk hunt with a 5 mile stalking hike, while that bergara would be perfect for a southern white tail hunt where you park your car over the hill, and use a tripod in a stationary blind. Next is hearing protection, it doesnt matter whether there is a suppressor or not, hearing protection should be used at all times unless shooting subsonic ammo in certain rifles with certain ammo. Next we have the muzzle breaks, yes they suck to other shooters, but as seen with the browning they tame recoil and allow better rifle handling. No not just getting back on target, control of the rifle, he almost looked like the arabs shooting the elephant gun with that browning. Lastly caliber. NO CALIBER IS PERFECT FOR EVERY SITUATION. I wouldn't dare take a shot at an animal at 50yds, with a .50 bmg. I also wouldn't take a coyote with a .22 at 500 yds. A lot of people put too much stock in grandads deer rifle, whether it is a .308, .30-06, .270, etc. In most parts of the south all of these are overkill calibers for deer, while out west they are perfect. Most shots in the south are inside 200yds, 300 if you have access to powerline paths, out west can be beyond 600. I have seen a deer shot with a 308, and 6.5 cm at 200yds both rounds went completely through the deer. One at 60 yds, gutshot, didn't hit the guts left a hole the size of a yeti tumbler in its hip; a 30-06 at 400 yds would do the same; and I was witness to 4 deer shot with a 270 at 100yds, all ran off and we found them stacked on top of each other with pass through shots. I say all of that to say this, the right caliber, and bullet choice are everything, and automatically discounting the 223 because it is so small is no way to look at it. The only reason to not use it, is if it is prohibited by someone's state laws. My personal experience is a ruger american ranch, Barnes 55gr. Tsx solid copper bullets, 16in barrel, 1-4x scope( couldn't afford better). 3 deer, 1 50yds, 2 200 yds, within 12 hours of each other. One 200yd was a spine shot, but the other two were clean pass throughs, double lung and heart. Both deer ran 40yds and fell over, but i wouldn't use it past that. Had a deer shot with federal nosler partition 308 at the same 200yds, shot clean through, left a hole the size of a half dollar and bruised both shoulders completely, it ran off 30 yds and fell over. Shot one at 100 yards with winchester 3030, it fell over on the spot, bullet stopped in opposite shoulder. Calibers hunters use should not be dictated by some guy on youtube, it should be dictated by the circumstances of the hunt, and more importantly the skill of the hunter. Also i would recommend an ar over any lever action. For the simple reason of follow up shots. The 200yd 308, i missed the first shot, but was able to reload the bolt action quickly, however you might as well be muzzleloading with a lever action, because of the racket the action makes, you only get 1 shot or you'll spook the deer. A bolt action isn't as bad, but an ar solves this problem instantly.
I must have gotten lucky because both of my wood stocked Mossberg Patriot rifles 30-06 and .270 are tac driver's. Although you are not the only source that I've watched that had the same results with the Patriot .308 so maybe there's something that needs to be addressed on the manufacturing end for that particular caliber....
Completely agree in regard to the .223. I sold my BCM AR-15 (which was very accurate) because I've always viewed the .223 round as a jack of all trades, but a master of none. To me it's an under powered and even boring round, considering there are so many other calibers that are much more versatile. Ok AR-15 fans, you are now free to attack me.
I agree with everything said in this video except one thing. The muzzle breaks. I think that when a gun has nothing on the end of the barrel it is much louder than when you slap a brake or a flash hider on it. I have tested this with a few of my weapons now and the only one it doesn't apply to is a pistol (I only tested 9mm though so idk)
I've got a mixture of hunting rifles some over two thousand dollars some Walmart specials but the one I use the most and i have killed the most game with is an old Remington 7400 in 308. It's nothing special looks ugly not the most accurate rifle I own and has a bottom of the line leupold on it but it works for me.
223 definitely more then enough for deer. With the right ammon a 223 out a 20 or 16 in barrel and shot placement it's all you need some people are alright with what gets the job done and not needing anything extra to put a animal on the grill or predator down. 223 is widely chosen because it's common affordable and gets the job done and when you master it it's so much greater then a larger caliber. 223 headshots will beat a 762 headshots and vice versa just depends on shooter and skills
You never did identify the rifle between the Christiansen 22 and the Savage Axis. You said it was expensive and a prized possession then jumped straight into overall weight.
When is the update on the MOSSBERG PATRIOT!! ITS BEEN 1 YEAR! No video from gunsmith fixing it. Just a repeat of a plastic stock one. Is the head space out???? Are the lands not deep enough? Need a faster twist barrel maybe a 9:1 or 8:1?
Sorry, the reason I haven't done a follow-up is because UA-cam doesn't allow me to show any modified guns anymore. I'm going to be doing content about it on Backfire Plus. Sorry, I would LOVE to do it on UA-cam, but they won't let me.
I've been thinking about getting a Christensen Ridgeline in 7 PRC, but now I'm having second thoughts based on what you said about your experience with feeding/extraction. Seeing as you really enjoyed and recommended the Fierce 7 PRC (and it's $1k cheaper than the Christensen) ... decision made!
I bought a Ranger and had major extraction issues. CA sent me a return label and had the rifle repaired and returned in a week. Even provided a free magazine. Runs 100% now. They seem to be a very good company. I will likely buy a center fire CA in the future due to how great their service was.
@@chevyon37s Thanks for clarifying Drew. I've never held a Fierce, but I got hands on with the Christensen Ridgeline and she's a beauty. I went back and asked the salesman if he thought it was better and he honestly said '...well I think it's slightly better, but not 1k better'. I won't 'actually' make a decision until I get hands on the Fierce.
.223 is not good for big game. Unless you get an up close vital shot on a coyote, they'll run away. I prefer 243 for coyote and it does great for deer too. The military uses 5.56 because it's light and wounds people. The idea being that 2 guys have to carry the wounded guy out, and you've eliminated 3 guys with 1 hit. Why would you use a round known for being used in "wounding weapons" to take big game?
Strange how some rifles can be so accurate and the exact same one can be so poor. I have a Mossberg Patriot chambered in 22-250 and it has been a tack driver from the day I purchased it and it's still very accurate. It is by far way more accurate than the old guy squeezing the trigger (referring to myself here of course) Too bad you've had a poor experience with that rifle. I really enjoy mine
I have an original savage axis from when they first made it in 30-06 and I absolutely hate it. Can't shoot it to save my life which is weird because I have a savage 110 in a 300 win mag and shoots like a dream I absolutely love it. Also have a Thompson center dimension in a 308 and it's heavy but it shoots federal fusion 165 grain super well. Then my merlin 30-30 that was my first rifle and I love it as well. So I've been considering get rid of my 30-06 but don't really have a caliber I want with consistently available ammo. 6.8 western has my interest but I've had trouble finding ammo. 350 legend has my interest as well. Would ideally like to find a 338 but can't find anything for it not even to reload
Watching and listening to this video got me thinking about barrel life. I acquired a rifle thru a friend and i love the way it shoots but have heard rumors about a “ short barrel life” . It is a 7mm RUM. What are the chances of it having a short barrel life? It’s only been fired by myself and I’ve put maybe 50 rounds thru it. Never even heard of the RUM until he gave me the gun. LoL. It is an awesome shooter but now I’m worried about those rumors. Any truth in it? Appreciate anything you can pass on about it. Thanks much!
Dude I’ve been hunting my whole life and all of my guns are used and they are all walnut and blue the most i have ever spent on a gun is 2 g because it was a collector’s piece and i have never went hunting with a suppresser you can get an excellent rifle for $700. It’s just going to be used and a lot of the older hunting rifles that were built in the 70s 80s and early 90s are better built than the rifles that are built today.
Just wondering if that Axis was rusty prior or had been poorly cared for, left in a dank basement. I just cant get my head around "rusted in one night". Yikes!
I don't hunt with ear protection...but I also don't hunt with muzzle brakes....my state still don't allow supressers period....but I prolly wouldn't buy one anyway....ear protection at the range...naked ears while hunting
I hunt on my ranch in the Ozarks in Missouri, when it come to gun or caliber options I pretty much have two of everything. I have recently switched to the 350 legend and it is now my go to round. Do you have any experience or thoughts on it?
I'm shooting that in an Axis. Fed. 180gr. Power Shok does pretty well (good enough for deer). I put an M*Carbo kit in and that really helped. I made some 165 gr. handloads that it really likes. 1-4x24 scope is way better than the combo scope and is all I'll ever need for the Legend.
Respectively, I am glad you keep stating "this is your opinion", because YOUR reasoning can easily be countered by hundreds of thousands of other folks out there. Additionally, some of the reasons you provided can be resolved, pending things are being done correctly. Totally not being argumentative here, just stating due to some key callouts you had that have many possibilities of "why" they could happen. Good information in the video for sure.
This is the 100th story ive heard about a savage barrel rusting. I have an older savage .243 and it has the same problem. They just arent making quality barrels
Wow no offense but your random hate for Browning rifles is insane. It continues to eat at your creditability if you aren’t remaining fair and transparent when testing. You can’t blame the caliber choice. My pro McMillan has a 1lb 8oz trigger. Love the channel but just hate how you aren’t open to them, especially with their SR models created with you in mind lol
👍🏼for real, I’ve not had a single problem from any of my Browning rifles, A bolt medallion 300 mag, Bar 7 mm mag, and Bar 270, all have been all I could want
Yeah, its weird that rifle was on the list. He picked a big recoiling gun thats really lightweight and complained about the recoil and barrel life. Short barrel life and big recoil are expected and have nothing to do with the rifle, it's a result of the caliber. Also trigger pull on x bolts isn't heavy, seems like a weird complaint. X bolts are really nice rifles. Also, he didn't give a reason he doesn't trust the rifle, just that he doesn't like his caliber selection.
Im a South African and I live in limpopo near Kruger. I hunt with a suppressor, always. The biggest reason is that we often try take off multiple animals in a day, because I live in a hunting area I just drive where I need to go for day hunts, instead of going on a multi day trip. The suppressed rifle doesn't have the same impact in terms of making other game skittish as an unsuppressed rifle, making it easier to harvest more game in a shorter period of time. That being said, I still like to walk and stalk with my electronic muffs, over years of shooting my hearing has deteriorated, and with the electronic muffs turned up to full volume it amplifies any little noise I make while on a stalk, helping me stay more quiet
@CamaroZ28Nut3 man that sucks... that's a lot like what we have to do in order to buy a firearm in South Africa. Each individual firearm that you own has to be licensed, and that license has to be applied for every time, and that process usually takes 6 months. They're also usually double the price here. I bought a .22 lr for my daughter in January, I'm still waiting for feedback on the license application. We're also limited to 4 firearms per person, unless you go through the process to become a dedicated hunter or dedicated sports shooter, and then you still have to motivate for why you need each firearm that you apply for
@CamaroZ28Nut3 Here in the UK it's portrayed as almost rude not to have a sound moderator (or suppressor in US) on your rifle. Has to be added to your firearms license.
Re: Savage Axis I have one and live in Oregon. Very wet here. Yes, the steel is produced at a lower price point and can rust more easily than others. But with a bit of simple care, this is easy to avoid. Odie's Oil on the outside. Tri-Flow on the inside. Good to go. 9 years on mine and still looks great.
I would assume this same advice applies to the axis 2? i was looking at getting one for my first hunting rifle and i would love to know proper maintenance. In arizona there isnt usually much moisture but better safe than sorry
@@EliCarlton axis 2 just means it’s has the accutrigger there’s nothing different about the way the rifle is made. I’ve found Break Free CLP and Birchwood Casey Barricade both work well at protecting less expensive firearm finishes.
Looking at a CVS Cascade in 6.5prc (owned or partnered with Savage) because it comes Ceracoated which should be an extra layer against corrosion. I have two blued Savage rifles because they have excellent accuracy for very little $$$ and they've both given me outstanding durability.
I use electronic hearing protection for hunting with my brake. Living in the PROC (Calif) we can't have suppressors and I was amazed at the diff it made when shooting 300 WM with a brake. You can find electronic hearing protection relatively affordably now and we (my hunting buddies and me) can communicate just fine before and after the shot. I make folks with me aware before getting into a shooting situation if I know they don't have hearing protection. Wearing hearing protection is good habit to get into anyway and with the right set, they enhance hearing also. I've just gotten in the habit of making sure I have them with me along with fresh batteries whenever I go hunting. If you make it as habitual as making sure you have ammo, it shouldn't be a problem. Brakes are effective, they just have to be accommodated for.
Pretty sure you were talking about me with the 6.5 PRC ;) Thanks! Yes, if I had your experience with the Patriot, I would never get another one. You brought up a great point about it being the .308. I have had some others I know have the same problem with the .308 and 30-06. For my 6.5 PRC I did take the Patriot out of the factory stock and I found a small plastic pillar at the end of the stock that rests under the barrel. I can only imagine that you think it is free floated but every time you shoot, you are hitting that plastic pillar. That can't be good. After I put it in an MDT Oryx Chassis, I'm a constant 1/2 MOA with Precision Hunter and Match ammo. So if you have a Mossberg Patriot or Predator, take it out of the stock and check it!
Agreed. I had one from 1943. Someone did a great job of sporterizing it, except for the stadard mil trigger. I justgot used to it, and it was a tack driver.
I got a Christensen ranger and it had same problem. I sent it in and they took care of it. Now it’s my favorite squirrel rifle. Extremely accurate and easy to shoot
@@briansmith2616 I also have a Mesa in 300 win mag and a ridgeline fft in 280 AI. Both shoot well under an inch with the right loads. I have had no issues with them at all. Some of my favorite rifles
Agree, had very poor extraction on mine. Christensen sent a return label and had it repaired and returned ASAP with a free magazine. Runs great now, super accurate rifle. Love it and have restored faith in CA.
Any idea what’s causing the issues with the Rangers? Like what Christensen is fixing/replacing when they go back? I’m glad they’re making them right but it’s a shame they couldn’t have done that to rifles before they were put on store shelves
@@scotteger6271 I believe the issue was to do with the way the extractor held onto the rim but the bolt mechanics would knock the empty off the extractor most of the time and it would stay in the chamber.i believe they fixed the issue with a few replacement parts. I’m guessing since it was one of their early runs those issues have all been sorted out but don’t know that for sure. I have been looking at the 22 mag version and would not hesitate to buy it personally. I own three of their rifles the 22, a 280ai fft Ridgeline, and a 300 win mag Mesa. All shoot fantastic.
Sorry guys. Forgot to mention the heavy rifle is a Bergara Premier Approach. I may put a new stock on it to lose some weight.
I thought it might be, I also have the Approach gen 1 in 6.5cm and it shoots sub half moa with Gold Medal 140/130gr and Prime 130gr ammo. Great for shooting from a blind but at 11lbs it gets heavy stalking your game.
My bergara in 308 is by far the most acurate rifle I own. Love that rifle.
13 pounds or not- I’m carrying that Bergara!!!!! Great video!!!!
The weight restriction in idaho, if nobody has clarified, is 16lbs with everything scope sling and ammo. If it's over, you can't big game with it. The weight restriction is for big game only
@@shaneklimes953 Do you happen to know the reason why?
I’m personally a fan of the muzzle brake .
I understand your reasoning, but where I live suppressors are not an option.
The recoil reduction/ spotting of your shot easily outweighs the minor annoyance of wearing hearing protection.
I actually think that modern electronic hearing protection is an advantage when hunting if you get the right equipment.
Great channel, love the content 👍
Life is better on the other side. Get you a suppressor, you wouldn't want to drive a car without a muffler, would you?
@@virtuaguyverify for pure recoil reduction, a muzzle brake will always be more effective. One device is expelling gas while the other is capturing it. A Magnum rifle that produces heavy recoil is much more enjoyable to shoot with a good muzzle brake.
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@virtuaguyverify none of my cars or bikes have mufflers. Loud and proud baby. I shoot and it has a loud bang that's fun. If I wanted silence I'd use a bow.
I disagree. My precious hearing is way more important than a little extra push on my shoulder.
AR in .223 is endlessly wonderful for coyote. I was hunting with a 123gr Hornady Black in my 6.5 Grendel. That heavy buggar was launching right through them… I swapped out for my .223 and I was dropping them like flies!
I've shot a bunch of coyotes with my AR-15 in 5.56 and I've never had one run off. And I've made some poor shots in my day. I shoot the cheapest 55 gr fmj ammunition too. I've shot javelina, whitetail, mule deer, feral hogs, jack rabbits, foxes, bobcats and never hit one that got away.
If you have runoffs with 223 you are not hitting vitals
Exactly, I've seen coyotes run off after someone shoots them with a 243. A bad shot is a bad shot.
For what Christensen charges for a rifle it shouldn't ever be on a list of rifles not to trust!
Yup. Same with Fierce. It's an epidemic!
Neither should Browning. They are way too proud on price to be what they are.
As a former Christianson owner TWICE, there guns are trash
@@joshuameade8953 , what I've seen out of them, I'm not impressed at all.
They are all cheap production rifles. All copying rem 700 that isn't great. All production rifles are a gamble. Some like Tikka are basically zero risk gamble.
AR15 16" 6ARC with 1-10× is my primary Hunting Rig for East Coast Deer and Hoggs .
Q Mega Fix is 300 WSM is what I want to get once it comes out . They are gonna be coming out with Mega and Proper Fix Rifle . Mega is gonna be based off 300WM Size Cartridge and Proper is gonna be based off 375 Size Cartridge..
As a Canadian, suppressors being prohibited, and owning a Christensen Arms Mesa in 300 win mag, I’d only shoot it with a brake as my set up weighs less than 7.5 lb. So for me, I’m looking for threaded muzzles and or brakes on rifles when I am shopping for another long action
As a savage owner, I've owned three, and he's bang on with the rust, I had a older savage edge, and pretty much every time I took it out on a wet day I had to oil it after or it would rust. And yes the scopes are definitely cheap. Rhat being said, it always put the bullet where I wanted it to. So I tolerated it.
Side note
Yes coyotes are a tough animal to knock down with a small fast caliber, shot placement needs to be 150% accurate
I have had great experiences with multiple caliber on the axis ! From 243 to 6.5 creedmoor the scope is the trick ! I use sig buck master scope and get great results even a 300 yard shot on a coyote with 243
Many deer with the 223 but I usually break that out after I killed a buck with my TC 6.5 or 30/30.. I use 223 for doe and small stuff
The bushnell it comes with on the cheaper ones is mediocre, I did notice mine (270) seems to prefer hornady interlocks, it has a vortex diamondback on it now.
Mossberg Patriot 30-06 synthetic stock I bought when it first came out in 2015. I adjusted the trigger to 2lbs pull. I got 3/4 in group at 100 yards using the scope that it came with.The ammo was Remington core 185 grain. I paid $350 for it and thought it was a great purchase. Next year I shot a mule deer at 118 yards facing me. I actually shot the top of the heart it dropped where it stood. I never had any problems with accuracy. I even took it to a range that went out to over 1/2 mile. I shot 150 grain and went out to 400 yards. I was shooting 6 inch groups. The only thing I thought was very strange I didn't change the elevation. So I shot at 100 yards left to right dead center but was six inches high with the 150 grain. I haven't been able to figure it out. I probably need to sight it in again using my hunting load before I take it on a hunt. I have seen way too many videos where the rifle doesn't hold a true zero. Did I get lucky, or did Mossberg do something with the later models.
Your suppressor argument (muzzle brake vs. suppressor) is fair. However, for a fraction of the price of JUST the most inexpensive suppressor (tax stamps and app fees aside), there are a great many fantastic sets of ear muffs out there to be had.
As a former musician with huge governmental trust issues, hearing is as important to me as staying out of government paperwork. Even when suppressed, the report of a rifle can still damage hearing, so a good set of muffs isn't a bad idea.
I know I am late for the party, but the Ruger American magazine problem can be easily fixed. I bought one 6 months ago and have had no problems at all with it. Love it!!!
Brakes do real damage to unprotected ears
I bought a savage axis in stainless in 308 . Shoots factory amo well under sub moa. No issues with rust great for hunting in wet conditions.
My local Cabela's had an entire rack of the Savage Axis II rifles in 6.5 Creedmoor. There must have been a hundred of them, like the got a bulk price and just dropped them on the market. Like you said, scope included for $500-ish. I picked one up and it's actually the luck of the draw what you end up with. I would rank it 5 out of 10. And I noticed that the barrel was corroding just from my fingers. Not bad, but it was surprising. It was developing surface rust. So I oiled the hell out of it, and I keep the barrel wet. Not dripping, but wet. The action was a little rough until I got past the break in. When I did the first field strip cleaning I really polished/oiled up everything and now it's...passable. My range only goes out to 122 yards, so at 120 I was putting all the shots on a 10" diameter paper plate, with most in the 8" range and a few flyers. Not the best, but I am not a good shooter either. I can drop a large animal, that's about it. But my friends at my hunting club who are good shots have tried it and fared the same. The rifle just doesn't have it in itself to be accurate.
I hated my axis. The obnoxious trigger, the stock and the barrel. It was very inaccurate and 1 drop of water on the barrel and the whole thing is rusted to hell. So pretty bad blueing. Which is also the reason why most of my guns are cerakoted or stainless steel.
@@Brandenuzis Yeah, the more I use it the more I don't care for it. I actually don't mind the trigger, I have gotten used to it. But the fit/finish and trim are way low on the scale. But, it's got its purpose. There are places I won't take my nice rifles, so it has its place
You need to get a hold of a 223 load with a 77tmk in it. I think you will be flat out amazed at the trauma on game
The biggest issue with anecdotes about 223 is that bullet selection is never mentioned and is often a mediocre performer.
I've got a buddy that killed a plie of animals here in wy with a mk12 mod 0 clone. The holes a 77 grain tmk puts in animals is very surprising!
Agree. People will buy the cheapest FMJ 223 they can find, throw it in their AR, and wonder why it doesn't drop a whitetail deer in its tracks.
Yep, a heavy expanding bullet in 223 is perfect for deer sized game. I bet an all copper bullet would be killer on deer sized game even at 55grains.
@@Ben-ry1py if a 62 gr Barnes TAC-TX will reliably take down hogs, Whitetail is an easy call.
I've shot many deer with various .223 bullets (62 grain fusion, 77 grain 75 bthp etc)
Dropping them in their tracks isn't something to expect unless you hit near the cns.
This goes for bigger cartridges like the .270 and 30-06 as well.
Just aim for the spine or neck and they are drt
I recently bought a browning mtn pro in 6.5. Though I like the looks of a break the same diameter as the barrel which the recoil hog is NOT, it shoots lights out and is fairly lightweight and I have forced myself to start wearing a walker game ear which helps me hear whispers and definitely helped when sitting next to my grandkids as a spotter when shooting elk.
I've never shot with a brake, and never will. The other day I was at a public range shooting my 6.5 PRC (26"barrel, no brake) and down the way there was a guy with a 6.5 Creed with a big brake on it. It was insanely loud, and everyone else at the range was commenting on it. The guy pointed out that I was shooting a more powerful cartridge, but everyone agreed his was way louder.
I hunt with my 270 with a big ass brake. It's not hard to throw on some headphones for a quick shot. If you don't have a half second to pull down headphones over your ears you probably shouldn't be shooting at that animal anyways.
@@sergeantdwz5783I’ve been in a ton of still hunting situations in which I had zero time to don earmuffs but had a brilliant shot… I think your statement needs refining.
I have a Remington 770, chambered 30.06, the bolt slide is horrible, so i polished the bolt, it helped some, but i have had great luck with my deer takedowns. In Arizona mule deer hunt is a draw, and when i have had a tag, I have been able to take home a young buck and a nice big 10 point deer. Its at 6 deers in 6 years of hunting. Im looking into a newer 30.06 rifle, but like the old saying says, if it aint broken, why mess with it and it has maintained zeros in all the years i have had it, with two different scopes, i got one with morere zoom in power.
I have a Mossberg Patriot .308 and I have had the same issues. This helped me feel less crazy!
My worst experience was the 770 Remington 30 odd 6. Won't you fire it? You can't get the bolt back open.
I've been a gunsmith for the last 7 years. the and the Rem. 770 is the only rifle I've had many of them come in to the shop. Everything else has been one rifle in each Model, 770 didn't get the memo lol
Had my 270win mossberg patriot in mule deer country 250+yds and prairie dog towns with no problems
I have a Savage 110, and it has the same rusting issues. Shoots great, but I gotta take extra care of it.
A light coat of CLP on the barrel and action and you'll be fine. Otherwise rattle can it, or cerakote it if you have the money.
It’s so weird to see Mossberg Patriot and Savage Axis on the same list as a Christensen and a Bergara!
Like the content man, you deserve alot more subs. Enjoy Africa and much luck
When I see bolt action rifles that are not accurate, most of the time the barrel is not free floated and every time it fires it wiggles then sticks then wiggles the other way and sticks. They never go back to neutral barrel position!
i have two savage axis in 350 legend i bought from cabelas up here in Michigan with the fancy camo stocks, and i personally haven’t had a problem with rust or accuracy. now i did put vortex SFP scopes on them and zeroed at 100yards with 180g winchester super x ammo.
I bought a Savage Axis II in .243. That rifle has no business being as accurate as it is. I liked it so much I got a stainless Axis II in 6.5 creedmore.
So far, no rust problem with my Axis. I'll watch closely, though. Lights out accuracy, well, for what I'm shooting. I got the Compact in .350 Legend. The trigger was pretty bad, probably the worst I've ever owned (not the AccuTrigger). Put an M*Carbo kit in. What a difference! Totally OK accuracy for deer with factory ammo (Fed. Power Shok 180gr.), but I've made some 165gr. handloads that are amazing, at least to me. The bolt is clunky, removing the bolt is a pain, the rifle is agonizingly ugly (except it shoots good), and I don't like the magazine. The scope that came with it is barely functional. I replaced it with an inexpensive 1-4 x 24. World of difference and I'll never need more scope at Legend ranges. So, my complaints are kind of superficial or easily remedied, and, I'll still trade it for a Ruger American when I get the chance.
I have a few Axis rifles and the rust problem is only real if you aren't prepared for it. After a day in wet woods, wipe it dry and put a new film of oil over it. It's not hard, but if you don't bring any supplies, it's your own fault. I've even had some Henry's that are so sensitive to rust, that simple finger/skin exposure will have a solid film of rust on/around the lever if you don't wipe it down with some Rem oil or similar product within a couple of days after handling. I'm just in the habit of having my supplies in camp and doing the touch-ups when necessary, and a good wipe down before coming home.
Try Remington corelok in Mossberg I literally can put rounds in single hole. But premium ammo is flyers. 308 caliber
For a colab video it would be funny to send that Mossburg Patriot to Gavin and say, without rebarelling it, can you fix this.
My son nailed #2 buck In the county with a savage axis and 6.5 at that at 200 yards it was also raining so they work and on big Boone &Crookett bucks
My mossberg patriot in 270 started out really bad action screws were too long and the rear one would bind up with the bolt if i tightened it so i had to file them shorter to get my action tight enough with out binding up my bolt and now it shoots great with the right ammo but it had a rough start.
That's great to hear one of the comments compliment Mossberg patriot 270 as I open my eyes to get one here and I have that little confidence made by comments
Bummed you have had such bad luck with the patriots. It was the first rifle I bought myself and was in 6.5 creedmoor with the wooden stock. Shot my first deer at 218 yards double lung and got my first buck at roughly 50 yards last year. I really enjoy the rifle. No doubt the ones you have are not good though. I wonder if it’s a quality control issue at mossberg or perhaps maybe something to do with the chambering. Thank you for honest and accurate reviews! I really enjoy the channel!
Mossberg won't disappoint you if minute of deer lungs is all the accuracy you ask from it, they'll do that job all day. But personally I'm a head/neck shot kind of guy, so I tend to favor Ruger, Savage, weatherby, etc. because I don't have a 6-8"kill circle I'm shooting for, it's more like 1.5-2". That said, there's nothing wrong with having something inexpensive that accomplishes what you need it to
They(Mossberg patriots/Mossberg centerfire rifles)) just hands down are one of the poorest made rifles in the budget rifles. They barely have any support how action mates to stock, and many of them break or crack in that area. The savage axis is probably the better of the cheapest end, then, Ruger A, and T/C venture if they still make them, a step up, but since Ruger As are in imaginary land prices of 500+$ range(price category they do not belong in) now, your better off with a HOWA, which is a way better built gun. I've also heard good on Rem 783 rifles. If don't mind used, some of the best deals for accuracy/money, is savage 110/10 series rifles. Often overlooked jems.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill well put. I'm a big fan of the savage 110's and 116's, if you can handle the extra $300 or so at the time of buying they're a way better buy than any of the "budget tier" guns
@@Northwoods208 If you get on places like gunbroker, sometimes you can find used 110/10 series rifles at similar prices as "budget rifles". I've seen barely used model 11s and 10s under $400. Just got to watch.
Thought there was something different about you.....then saw the tools and library app on one of your videos....well done Brother. Great videos
Thanks for sharing about your experience. I really appreciate it. Just a note, I use a blast forwarding device on my hunting ar rifle. Can't afford a suppressor yet! ;)
I’ve never had problems with my mossberg patriot 6.5 creedmore, mine is a synthetic stock and has always shot within a quarter since I’ve sighted it in
Same with mine
Just sayin my savage axis ain’t never had no rust issue and I’ve hunted in the rain with it. All in how you take care of it.
Cool thing about buying a quality product if it's not working right, send it back for warranty work. Send in your christensen ranger 22
Luckily my Remingtons were purchased way back when they cared about the quality and workmanship however after getting into the lever action craze I am hooked on Henry rifles
If you need 200 rounds on a bolt-action setup to “prepare” for a hunting trip, I don’t think it matters what rifle you bring.
Every person I know with a mossberg or savage has issues from durability to failures
My Savage Axis is very finicky with the mag. It has to be slapped in pretty hard to feed. Cost me a deer once
I understand most of his talking points, but he is missing or overlooking a few things. Firstly weight must considered before a hunt. That browning x bolt pro would be perfect for a montana elk hunt with a 5 mile stalking hike, while that bergara would be perfect for a southern white tail hunt where you park your car over the hill, and use a tripod in a stationary blind. Next is hearing protection, it doesnt matter whether there is a suppressor or not, hearing protection should be used at all times unless shooting subsonic ammo in certain rifles with certain ammo. Next we have the muzzle breaks, yes they suck to other shooters, but as seen with the browning they tame recoil and allow better rifle handling. No not just getting back on target, control of the rifle, he almost looked like the arabs shooting the elephant gun with that browning. Lastly caliber. NO CALIBER IS PERFECT FOR EVERY SITUATION. I wouldn't dare take a shot at an animal at 50yds, with a .50 bmg. I also wouldn't take a coyote with a .22 at 500 yds. A lot of people put too much stock in grandads deer rifle, whether it is a .308, .30-06, .270, etc. In most parts of the south all of these are overkill calibers for deer, while out west they are perfect. Most shots in the south are inside 200yds, 300 if you have access to powerline paths, out west can be beyond 600. I have seen a deer shot with a 308, and 6.5 cm at 200yds both rounds went completely through the deer. One at 60 yds, gutshot, didn't hit the guts left a hole the size of a yeti tumbler in its hip; a 30-06 at 400 yds would do the same; and I was witness to 4 deer shot with a 270 at 100yds, all ran off and we found them stacked on top of each other with pass through shots. I say all of that to say this, the right caliber, and bullet choice are everything, and automatically discounting the 223 because it is so small is no way to look at it. The only reason to not use it, is if it is prohibited by someone's state laws. My personal experience is a ruger american ranch, Barnes 55gr. Tsx solid copper bullets, 16in barrel, 1-4x scope( couldn't afford better). 3 deer, 1 50yds, 2 200 yds, within 12 hours of each other. One 200yd was a spine shot, but the other two were clean pass throughs, double lung and heart. Both deer ran 40yds and fell over, but i wouldn't use it past that. Had a deer shot with federal nosler partition 308 at the same 200yds, shot clean through, left a hole the size of a half dollar and bruised both shoulders completely, it ran off 30 yds and fell over. Shot one at 100 yards with winchester 3030, it fell over on the spot, bullet stopped in opposite shoulder. Calibers hunters use should not be dictated by some guy on youtube, it should be dictated by the circumstances of the hunt, and more importantly the skill of the hunter. Also i would recommend an ar over any lever action. For the simple reason of follow up shots. The 200yd 308, i missed the first shot, but was able to reload the bolt action quickly, however you might as well be muzzleloading with a lever action, because of the racket the action makes, you only get 1 shot or you'll spook the deer. A bolt action isn't as bad, but an ar solves this problem instantly.
I have had that same rusting issue with ruger rifles . Both the American and mini 14
Check out the kaw valley linear comps. They push the blast forward away from the shooter. Mild recoil reduction. Good stuff.
Agree. I don't use Kaw Valley but I love my linear comps.
And for home defense the intruder gets an extra load of flash and bang.
My Mossberg Patriot shoots inch-and-a-half groups at 100 yards with normal Whitetail ammunition
I must have gotten lucky because both of my wood stocked Mossberg Patriot rifles 30-06 and .270 are tac driver's. Although you are not the only source that I've watched that had the same results with the Patriot .308 so maybe there's something that needs to be addressed on the manufacturing end for that particular caliber....
A bit rough putting the Axis up there. Those things are great
Had a Franchi 300 win bought it new the bolt was so loose ,like it was pre worn out ,got rid of it
Completely agree in regard to the .223. I sold my BCM AR-15 (which was very accurate) because I've always viewed the .223 round as a jack of all trades, but a master of none. To me it's an under powered and even boring round, considering there are so many other calibers that are much more versatile. Ok AR-15 fans, you are now free to attack me.
I agree with everything said in this video except one thing. The muzzle breaks. I think that when a gun has nothing on the end of the barrel it is much louder than when you slap a brake or a flash hider on it. I have tested this with a few of my weapons now and the only one it doesn't apply to is a pistol (I only tested 9mm though so idk)
Great content as always! Thanks for the awesome content & your time! 👍
With the savage axis and the cheap price, just get some good paint or something and you're good to go
Occasionally put a light coat of CLP fixes the problem.
I've got a mixture of hunting rifles some over two thousand dollars some Walmart specials but the one I use the most and i have killed the most game with is an old Remington 7400 in 308. It's nothing special looks ugly not the most accurate rifle I own and has a bottom of the line leupold on it but it works for me.
Jim, have you shot 77tmk out of your 223 at game? Should solve your terminal ballistics qualms.
223 definitely more then enough for deer. With the right ammon a 223 out a 20 or 16 in barrel and shot placement it's all you need some people are alright with what gets the job done and not needing anything extra to put a animal on the grill or predator down. 223 is widely chosen because it's common affordable and gets the job done and when you master it it's so much greater then a larger caliber. 223 headshots will beat a 762 headshots and vice versa just depends on shooter and skills
I like that bright red MPA chassis
You never did identify the rifle between the Christiansen 22 and the Savage Axis. You said it was expensive and a prized possession then jumped straight into overall weight.
If a 223 is good enough for a 200lb man. How will it not be fine for a 150lb whitetail?
I had a Savage Axis 2, sold it. I prefer my Ruger American.
When is the update on the MOSSBERG PATRIOT!! ITS BEEN 1 YEAR! No video from gunsmith fixing it. Just a repeat of a plastic stock one. Is the head space out???? Are the lands not deep enough? Need a faster twist barrel maybe a 9:1 or 8:1?
Sorry, the reason I haven't done a follow-up is because UA-cam doesn't allow me to show any modified guns anymore. I'm going to be doing content about it on Backfire Plus. Sorry, I would LOVE to do it on UA-cam, but they won't let me.
I love my Xbolt. $750. Great gun.
I've been thinking about getting a Christensen Ridgeline in 7 PRC, but now I'm having second thoughts based on what you said about your experience with feeding/extraction. Seeing as you really enjoyed and recommended the Fierce 7 PRC (and it's $1k cheaper than the Christensen) ... decision made!
The Christensen he is talking about is a ranger model, a 22LR rimfire rifle. Completely different action than the ridgeline.
I bought a Ranger and had major extraction issues. CA sent me a return label and had the rifle repaired and returned in a week. Even provided a free magazine. Runs 100% now. They seem to be a very good company. I will likely buy a center fire CA in the future due to how great their service was.
@@chevyon37s Thanks for clarifying Drew. I've never held a Fierce, but I got hands on with the Christensen Ridgeline and she's a beauty. I went back and asked the salesman if he thought it was better and he honestly said '...well I think it's slightly better, but not 1k better'. I won't 'actually' make a decision until I get hands on the Fierce.
@@JAlapeck That is definitely a huge Plus! Thanks for the info. Sometimes that can break a tie.
Buy the less expensive rifle and put the extra 1K into your child’s college savings.
.223 is not good for big game. Unless you get an up close vital shot on a coyote, they'll run away. I prefer 243 for coyote and it does great for deer too.
The military uses 5.56 because it's light and wounds people. The idea being that 2 guys have to carry the wounded guy out, and you've eliminated 3 guys with 1 hit.
Why would you use a round known for being used in "wounding weapons" to take big game?
Strange how some rifles can be so accurate and the exact same one can be so poor. I have a Mossberg Patriot chambered in 22-250 and it has been a tack driver from the day I purchased it and it's still very accurate. It is by far way more accurate than the old guy squeezing the trigger (referring to myself here of course)
Too bad you've had a poor experience with that rifle. I really enjoy mine
I use a savage axis for hunt it got wet several time in rain and i have never had rust show up on my gun
Where can we get the multicam black firearm walls? I’ve been seeing them around in ig posts but no one ever mentions the walls and who makes them.
Idaho’s weight limit is 16 pounds
I have an original savage axis from when they first made it in 30-06 and I absolutely hate it. Can't shoot it to save my life which is weird because I have a savage 110 in a 300 win mag and shoots like a dream I absolutely love it. Also have a Thompson center dimension in a 308 and it's heavy but it shoots federal fusion 165 grain super well. Then my merlin 30-30 that was my first rifle and I love it as well. So I've been considering get rid of my 30-06 but don't really have a caliber I want with consistently available ammo. 6.8 western has my interest but I've had trouble finding ammo. 350 legend has my interest as well. Would ideally like to find a 338 but can't find anything for it not even to reload
Watching and listening to this video got me thinking about barrel life. I acquired a rifle thru a friend and i love the way it shoots but have heard rumors about a “ short barrel life” . It is a 7mm RUM. What are the chances of it having a short barrel life? It’s only been fired by myself and I’ve put maybe 50 rounds thru it. Never even heard of the RUM until he gave me the gun. LoL. It is an awesome shooter but now I’m worried about those rumors. Any truth in it? Appreciate anything you can pass on about it. Thanks much!
Agreed with everything except the savage axis…. Listened to your reasoning and….. seems fair tbh
I haven't had the same trouble you had in Mossberg. However, I have it in 30-06 and replaced the stock with a Boyd laminate. 😅
Thinking to buy one Mossberg patriot Revere 270 cal as my first hunting rifle but now hear is some doubts about it mhmm!! Confused 🤔
.223 is enough for deer. I take neck shot's. I have a room full of mounts. Caliber does not make up for shot placement. Good luck
Dude I’ve been hunting my whole life and all of my guns are used and they are all walnut and blue the most i have ever spent on a gun is 2 g because it was a collector’s piece and i have never went hunting with a suppresser you can get an excellent rifle for $700. It’s just going to be used and a lot of the older hunting rifles that were built in the 70s 80s and early 90s are better built than the rifles that are built today.
Just wondering if that Axis was rusty prior or had been poorly cared for, left in a dank basement.
I just cant get my head around "rusted in one night". Yikes!
I don't hunt with ear protection...but I also don't hunt with muzzle brakes....my state still don't allow supressers period....but I prolly wouldn't buy one anyway....ear protection at the range...naked ears while hunting
Good, Thx
At 5:38 I don't believe you said the brand of the rifle you were discussing?
An AR in .223 is the weapon of choice for hog hunting, at least in my part of the country
I hunt on my ranch in the Ozarks in Missouri, when it come to gun or caliber options I pretty much have two of everything. I have recently switched to the 350 legend and it is now my go to round. Do you have any experience or thoughts on it?
I'm shooting that in an Axis. Fed. 180gr. Power Shok does pretty well (good enough for deer). I put an M*Carbo kit in and that really helped. I made some 165 gr. handloads that it really likes. 1-4x24 scope is way better than the combo scope and is all I'll ever need for the Legend.
I'm just waiting for the snow to melt, then I'll get the Patriot 350 Legend out and see what she's made of. I'll try to remember to let you know!
Used .223 on deer once. It was 50 yard heart shot, dropped her stone cold. That said, probably won’t do it again as I have a .300blk.
I've had nothing but problems with my mossberg 4x4 7mm.
Respectively, I am glad you keep stating "this is your opinion", because YOUR reasoning can easily be countered by hundreds of thousands of other folks out there. Additionally, some of the reasons you provided can be resolved, pending things are being done correctly. Totally not being argumentative here, just stating due to some key callouts you had that have many possibilities of "why" they could happen. Good information in the video for sure.
Never get a savage axis without a stainless barrel
Shyt man...my old 270 PH rifle shoots just fine...40 moose and counting... 5 shot group size of a quarter
Noticed there was Maven glass mounted on the mossberg. That's putting lipstick on a pig! What's your take on Maven?
My Grandfathers .303 Lee/Enfield. 1910 built an what year is this? It feeds my Family Year after year.
This is the 100th story ive heard about a savage barrel rusting. I have an older savage .243 and it has the same problem. They just arent making quality barrels
Wow no offense but your random hate for Browning rifles is insane. It continues to eat at your creditability if you aren’t remaining fair and transparent when testing. You can’t blame the caliber choice. My pro McMillan has a 1lb 8oz trigger. Love the channel but just hate how you aren’t open to them, especially with their SR models created with you in mind lol
Womp womp
👍🏼for real, I’ve not had a single problem from any of my Browning rifles, A bolt medallion 300 mag, Bar 7 mm mag, and Bar 270, all have been all I could want
Yeah, its weird that rifle was on the list. He picked a big recoiling gun thats really lightweight and complained about the recoil and barrel life. Short barrel life and big recoil are expected and have nothing to do with the rifle, it's a result of the caliber. Also trigger pull on x bolts isn't heavy, seems like a weird complaint. X bolts are really nice rifles.
Also, he didn't give a reason he doesn't trust the rifle, just that he doesn't like his caliber selection.
223 ar-15 for deer hunting because herds of pigs come through sometimes
I’m Texas
I had a savage axis, it was the worst kicking 30/06 I ever owned or shot. Ended up selling it.
Im a South African and I live in limpopo near Kruger. I hunt with a suppressor, always. The biggest reason is that we often try take off multiple animals in a day, because I live in a hunting area I just drive where I need to go for day hunts, instead of going on a multi day trip. The suppressed rifle doesn't have the same impact in terms of making other game skittish as an unsuppressed rifle, making it easier to harvest more game in a shorter period of time.
That being said, I still like to walk and stalk with my electronic muffs, over years of shooting my hearing has deteriorated, and with the electronic muffs turned up to full volume it amplifies any little noise I make while on a stalk, helping me stay more quiet
@CamaroZ28Nut3 man that sucks... that's a lot like what we have to do in order to buy a firearm in South Africa. Each individual firearm that you own has to be licensed, and that license has to be applied for every time, and that process usually takes 6 months. They're also usually double the price here. I bought a .22 lr for my daughter in January, I'm still waiting for feedback on the license application. We're also limited to 4 firearms per person, unless you go through the process to become a dedicated hunter or dedicated sports shooter, and then you still have to motivate for why you need each firearm that you apply for
@CamaroZ28Nut3 Here in the UK it's portrayed as almost rude not to have a sound moderator (or suppressor in US) on your rifle. Has to be added to your firearms license.
@CamaroZ28Nut3 in Canada it's simple, no suppressors no silencers.... doesn't matter which province. #tears
Great reply!
Re: Savage Axis
I have one and live in Oregon. Very wet here. Yes, the steel is produced at a lower price point and can rust more easily than others. But with a bit of simple care, this is easy to avoid. Odie's Oil on the outside. Tri-Flow on the inside. Good to go.
9 years on mine and still looks great.
I have a Savage Axis in stainless because of Oregon weather.
I also have a Savage Axis with a stainless barrel and never had a problem, but like you said a little bit of care goes a long way.
I would assume this same advice applies to the axis 2? i was looking at getting one for my first hunting rifle and i would love to know proper maintenance. In arizona there isnt usually much moisture but better safe than sorry
@@EliCarlton axis 2 just means it’s has the accutrigger there’s nothing different about the way the rifle is made.
I’ve found Break Free CLP and Birchwood Casey Barricade both work well at protecting less expensive firearm finishes.
Looking at a CVS Cascade in 6.5prc (owned or partnered with Savage) because it comes Ceracoated which should be an extra layer against corrosion. I have two blued Savage rifles because they have excellent accuracy for very little $$$ and they've both given me outstanding durability.
I use electronic hearing protection for hunting with my brake. Living in the PROC (Calif) we can't have suppressors and I was amazed at the diff it made when shooting 300 WM with a brake. You can find electronic hearing protection relatively affordably now and we (my hunting buddies and me) can communicate just fine before and after the shot. I make folks with me aware before getting into a shooting situation if I know they don't have hearing protection. Wearing hearing protection is good habit to get into anyway and with the right set, they enhance hearing also. I've just gotten in the habit of making sure I have them with me along with fresh batteries whenever I go hunting. If you make it as habitual as making sure you have ammo, it shouldn't be a problem. Brakes are effective, they just have to be accommodated for.
Pretty sure you were talking about me with the 6.5 PRC ;) Thanks! Yes, if I had your experience with the Patriot, I would never get another one. You brought up a great point about it being the .308. I have had some others I know have the same problem with the .308 and 30-06. For my 6.5 PRC I did take the Patriot out of the factory stock and I found a small plastic pillar at the end of the stock that rests under the barrel. I can only imagine that you think it is free floated but every time you shoot, you are hitting that plastic pillar. That can't be good. After I put it in an MDT Oryx Chassis, I'm a constant 1/2 MOA with Precision Hunter and Match ammo. So if you have a Mossberg Patriot or Predator, take it out of the stock and check it!
I have a 1903 springfield, made in 1924, and is a wonderful deer rifle.
I agree, I have 1903 covered to 264 by flaigs. It's a tack driver.
Ditto but my 1903a3 is from 45 and it still makes things dead at any distance.
New does not always mean better.
Agreed. I had one from 1943. Someone did a great job of sporterizing it, except for the stadard mil trigger. I justgot used to it, and it was a tack driver.
if you want to have sub moa you should try the German Manufacturer Heym, those rifles are just perfect.
Idaho Is 16 lbs. My hunting rifle weighs more than yours and I don't mind a heavy long range rifle.
I got a Christensen ranger and it had same problem. I sent it in and they took care of it. Now it’s my favorite squirrel rifle. Extremely accurate and easy to shoot
@@briansmith2616 I also have a Mesa in 300 win mag and a ridgeline fft in 280 AI. Both shoot well under an inch with the right loads. I have had no issues with them at all. Some of my favorite rifles
Agree, had very poor extraction on mine. Christensen sent a return label and had it repaired and returned ASAP with a free magazine. Runs great now, super accurate rifle. Love it and have restored faith in CA.
Any idea what’s causing the issues with the Rangers? Like what Christensen is fixing/replacing when they go back? I’m glad they’re making them right but it’s a shame they couldn’t have done that to rifles before they were put on store shelves
@@scotteger6271 I believe the issue was to do with the way the extractor held onto the rim but the bolt mechanics would knock the empty off the extractor most of the time and it would stay in the chamber.i believe they fixed the issue with a few replacement parts. I’m guessing since it was one of their early runs those issues have all been sorted out but don’t know that for sure. I have been looking at the 22 mag version and would not hesitate to buy it personally. I own three of their rifles the 22, a 280ai fft Ridgeline, and a 300 win mag Mesa. All shoot fantastic.
I never heard the brand of the gun at 5:41. Forgive my ignorance but I didn’t recognize that gun.
I think it could be a Bergara b-14, but I could be wrong
@@cadenweihe5147 thanks!! I went back and read the transcript but I couldn’t find where he said it. You’re probably right though.
He never said the make. I don't know if that was an overnight or if his point was that evening a quality gun isn't fun to hunt with if it's heavy
Bergara premier. I looked it up
Sorry. Bergara premier approach.