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This is what a philosophy channel should be like - balanced. Present the facts and arguments and let people think for themselves. Rather than, let's say, a channel like Philosophy Tube, which will state a position, nitpick obscure ideas from books that support that position with an air of it's being THE definitive idea and then use a whole lot of language manipulation to 'prove' the position. In essence, it's good to hear from someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight.
I love the very succinct explanation that Nietzche's assertion that there is no objective morality leads to either moral nihilism or subjectivism, and that the ubermensch runs into problems because of this!
Feel free to debate me on this, and I would love to discuss the topic, but I don't think these criticisms of Nietzsche are valid. At 6:40 you ask how we can know what an Ubermensch is like without ever coming into contact with one. I believe this question is formed from the misconception of the Ubermensch being a definitive "ultimate goal" as you put it at 7:20. I find the Ubermensch to be better described as the next step in human development. It's a gradual change, not a definitive transformation. Nietzsche even says we have seen "glimpses" of the Ubermensch in humanity already, so these attributes would not be unknown to us. Nietzsche determines the attributes of the Ubermensch simply by observing the attributes of humanity that are most beneficial (like having a free mind versus a herd mentality or being focused on reality versus an afterlife). Imagine we existed as giraffes with short necks. If we observe giraffes with longer necks thriving in our environment, then our idea of an "ubergiraffe" would be a giraffe with a longer neck. The next part is my biggest criticism on your analysis of Nietzsche. Around 8:20 you make several comments all alluding to the idea that the only alternative to moral objectivity is moral subjectivity, and this is not true. You are forgetting about moral intersubjectivity, which is what I believe Nietzsche is talking about. Intersubjectivity is the belief that there is moral objectivity, but only in relation to each subjective goal. This means the Ubermensch will have a better grasp on morality than us without any established universal moral laws. This would most definitely bring about some conflict of interest, but conflict of interest does not constitute the need for a moral law. For example, if I need an object, but another person is in possession of said object, there is a conflict of interest. I could say my morally subjective opinion leads me to determine that the best course of action would be to kill the person and take the object. But, most likely, this will be objectively false because I then put myself at risk, damage my psyche, and I can no longer utilize this person as a future asset when I (probably) could've just offered money instead. An Ubermensch will know when killing ect. is necessary or beneficial and when it is not based on the situation, and not based on a law or an opinion (objectivity or subjectivity) therefore the world of the Ubermensch would not be one of chaos, as everyone would understand that creating chaos does not objectively help their subjective goal. Lastly, you mention "God is dead" as if it is Nietzsche advocating for the abandonment of the idea of God just because the Bible falls short in some areas. This is also incorrect. Nietzsche was describing what Christianity has done to the image of God. That is-- they distorted it so drastically to the point where people are turning to nihilism and abandoning the metaphysical idea of God altogether. Nietzsche was labeled by many scholars (and Wikipedia) as a pantheist, not an atheist. He accepted the idea of God, just not in the Judeo-Christian sense. Edit: Just fixed some grammatical errors.
I agree that these criticisms aren't really valid, because it seems like they're tying other meanings into nihilism that they are mistakenly inferred rather than necessities of the philosophy. Such as how nihilism doesn't seem to be the rejection of the Judeo-Christian religions, but to the sense of morality the churches or church-equivalents enforced. There is also the fact that just because value and morality become subjective doesn't mean that individuals cannot naturally come the the same conclusions on the issues.
Your explanation of evolution sounds a tad more like Lemarkian evolution in which a giraffe has to strive for a longer neck and that trait is to be passed onto its offspring. So are you trying to say that to become an Ubermensch, one has to strive for human development to reach it via their offspring?
Great reply. Well written. I came here because I had a fascination for Nietzsche's ubermensch in my younger years and it just recently occurred to me that Elon Musk might be as close an example of one as we've had for a while. This video had more of an emphasis on the morality and self-mastery side than I remember getting from N. My recollection was that the ubermensch, by displaying superiority in their abilities that they could be an example to others of how a human could reach such prowess, or that it could instruct us on how to fashion our lives and morality to perhaps try to achieve the same. The ubermensch was to provide the inspiration to improve as a species which could no longer be provided by the church. Elon could be that. Compared to the corporate filth he mostly competes with, he's a bastion of morality. I propose the First Nietzschean Church of Elon! Who's with me?
@@alaricgoldkuhl155 The wealthy, generic celebrities, actor, athletes and musicians are the worst role models to have. They exemplify the elitist notion of the American Dream, and look down on the poor as lazy. I say that our role models should be ones like Terry Fox, who fought for cancer research, despite his disability.
While I may be late to the show and agree with much; I would like to describe my personal interpretation of his God is Dead quote considering how widely misinterpreted it is. In my opinion, Neitzche is acknowledging that due to our advancements in humanity and morality that we have not only distorted the image of God, but no longer need the prospect of a "God" to determine ourselves and our morality and this leads further to the Ubermensch who has defined his own morality as a result of his life experience. Religion deems what is moral and immoral, but we do not need religion to determine our morality anymore, and in killing God we can free ourselves of the confinement of religion, rebel against the dragon of society, and maintain our morality simply because we want to and can; not because we have to. A lot of people find Neitzche to be an advocate of nihilism when he was actually strongly against it. Believing it to be a detriment to the human condition and our advancement as humans. Instead, he advocated that despite the meaningless we instead develop ourselves, find our meaning, and develop our morality without religious influence. I still have more reading of his to do, but overall I found him to be an incredibly hopeful philosopher.
Incorrect. Like the video said, there are already 7 billion different moral standards in the world, and society chugs along just fine (arguably). What is currently happening is people have their own values, and they ignore/suppress those values because they're told that they MUST value what the rest of society values in order for society to be peaceful and progressive and good like it is(they are told it's the only way), and they follow society's rules as best they can in order to interact in society as peacefully and productively as possible. The Ubermensch keeps his own values, and then does his best to live by those values while also interacting in society as peacefully and productively as possible. (this includes the hypothetical scenario that the ubermensch in question values peaceful interaction in society, which seems like a reasonable assumption.)
I'm not sure if I can say this among all these heads of intellectuals.....but I felt this guy's voice really soothing. And it's devine feeling, listening to him ❤️
Thank you gentlemen. I love the way you answer each other's points with a flat, monosllyabic reply, but then offer profound counterpoints when your time to speak comes about. In truth, it really cracks me up! Brilliant. All I know is that there is much more going on in existence than meets the eye, and religions are just trying to speak of that, but words and concepts can only point to it-they cannot accurately capture it. Here in Indian Country, Tulsa Oklahoma, a tribal theme points to that aspect of things as Great Mystery. After decades of looking into the great matter I agree. Shine On.
I strongly believe that the quote by Nitetzsche and Hegal "God Is dead" , meant that we are reaching new understandings of what god IS and by doing so we are abandoning the religious archetypes.
We all think alike. We are all moralists. And go by the numbers. The numbers decide not us what is morally beneficial. Statistically proving the benefits of a moral society and individuals. Of course some things are difficult to quantify. But some are simply a given.
God is dead so we must evolve into, basically, gods? This philosophy is circular. Also, why does Nietzsche get to decide that God is dead? It takes more than one man to create a system of belief.
I think another argument against the Ubermensch is that Nietzche pivots the concept as an ultimate good. If morality is subjective, then why is pursuing the status of Ubermensch a goal for all of humanity? Is it bad not to? Why is it necessary to create your own morality if good and bad are subjective? Some ideas to consider.
The entire passage "Der tolle Mensch" ("the crazy person") from Die froehliche Wissenschaft is marvelous. It's the crazy person who runs around yelling, "God is dead! We've killed him!" etc etc. He runs around the city square in broad daylight with a lantern (echoes of Diogenes of Sinope of course), looking for God. Some atheists mock the crazy person: "What happened? Did you misplace God?" And the crazy person, crazy as he is, correctly denounces the atheists for laughing, for not having grasped the seriousness of the consequences of what has happened. The entire passage is just the best.
Damn, absolutely loved the counter opinion on the Ubermensch. I was actually going to look up videos on a counter opinion because I too see holes in the theory we can become the Ubermensch. But, this video did a perfect job at the end pointing out various points.
Thanks for this, another interesting video. The criticisms of Nietzsche are worth considering, particularly those concerning the supposed death of God and the evolution of humans. Buddhists see "God" as a sort of "place-holder" for wider concepts such as "inner space" or "presence", things that can be held within the body and lead to "enlightenment". Some practitioners of meditation even talk about this move toward "enlightenment" as the next stage in our evolution. Eckhart Tolle, who uses meditation practice, though not a Buddhist, talks frequently about this idea. Perhaps Nietzsche was half right, or half way there?
In all that we do in the world, we must remember that there's a Truth for everything. And Truth remains regardless of how much and what we understand. If there is no Truth, then chaos reigns, anything can be any at any given moment in time. Yet , of course we all know that cannot be, because we can all see that there's an order to how things work. If there is order, then there's a Truth that forms that order.
@@based_rushi Yeah, I get the metaphor/reference, it just gets strange as you keep carrying it out. “God isn’t real” makes more sense. “God was never real” makes more sense. If God died... what was the dying process? At some point, Nietzsche says “God is dead. We killed him” something like that. 🤷🏾♀️ If I’m honest... I don’t really care that much. The philosophy doesn’t resonate with me, but this was interesting to attempt to/understand.
The thing about the Superman theory is that it’s based on evolution. Evolution doesn’t care about strength morals or belief’s it only cares about two things the ability to survive and the ability to reproduce based on that logic the Superman could be anything so long as it could do those things effectively.
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The Superman he refers to is the 'Enlightened Man' - as if you listen very hard, the truth will come to you at last. God is WITHIN US (The IDEA of 'God' that we've been programmed to believe is DEAD; therefore: God is dead) - when we become enlightened, we bring heaven to earth with us and draw others into that light and raise them - but there are also those who only steal and take and draw down and he warns of not trying to waste time with these nihilists. Jesus taught exactly the same thing - don't wast your pearls on swine etc. This is a complete mess of an interpretation guys. Sorry. Its so obviously easy to understand if you look past our human insecurities and physical ego and fear based attitudes. The man he talks about are those who find Heaven on Earth leading up to the 'rapture' when Jesus rises in the hearts of all mankind and helps the rest of humanity achieve this awakening. If you want to no more, please ask because this is vital more than anyone seems to realise. Jesus was trying to tell us the same thing. Order from Chaos is the key to unlocking the truth.
Hi, great videos on philosophical issues! But I haven't found one in your channel that deals with phenomenology. I wonder if you are planning to make videos on it. Thanks.
The reason morality would all level out is because morality is a system and it will reach a point where one system proves better then the other. its not a single idea you get wrong. its a place you have to arrive, so the direction will be one or should be.
My take on this concept is that ubermen is evolved man but in a way that he don't need any other sources (superficial or not) of will, except his own will power that derived from things he like to do (it's more of a mental evolution than physical). And yes we r products of our brought up every situation results good or bad thinking same as coin can go heads or tails. But Wat if the subject is surrounded by ubermen (being ubermen mean that he draw will power from the shear enthusiasm towards his ideas) so he don't have time to wait and pass or receive judgements from other. If he failed he'll learn the lesson and try in a differnt way. And I think I can refer Luffy from One piece (anime) for this example but evolution like this would make things awesome
i am stuck on being to overcome nihilism for now. and I don't think become overman is a solution. i do believe that we can go higher as a human being than us right now, but the version of each person will be not same, i think.
I’d argue that the morals and values are already there. Look how similar religions are at their core. Every huge group of people with shared values over history has arrived at more or less the same ideas of right and wrong. Just because god is dead doesn’t mean we have to bury him. We can figure out what he did right and take it one step further by making it less abstract with the introduction of science into morality.
I disagree that everyone has or had the same shared values, especially when it comes to how women were treated, animal rights, punishments for criminals and human rights. They may seem similar on the surface but vary greatly.
Furthermore, if one believes values are intrinsic where do they derive from and would you subscribe to a cognitivist position in which humans know and understand morality by intuition?
That "devils advocate" dude in purple perfectly expresses the perspective of the herd man, typically arguing that all humans are equal, whereas Nietzsche's argument is exactly the opposite: only the very rare Higher Type can ever possess the courage and strength of Will to work constantly towards evolving into the Ubermench. I put this at about 0.01% of the population, so out of 8 billion people, 800,000 will advance to becoming "beyond humans", and subsequently explore space (i.e. climb down from the trees and learn how to walk off the Serengeti plains). The cowardly rest will Self-reduce back into a more primitive state (hedonists), or Self-destruct (WOKE ideologues). Of course, narcissists hate hearing this very inconvenient Truth, and will deny it with as much vindictiveness as they deny doing hard work and discipline at anything worthwhile, such is the Self-defensive nature of delusional grandiosity. But Time is the best judge.
When you realize Being Ubermench is the same as a normal person goal to become a Dirrector from his Managor possition How muvh time till we need to become next level Uber mench
Furthermore if john decided to take smith's values as his values (because john liked smith's values ),can we say that john is an übermensh ? It seems yes,so why if john decided to choose Christian values,we would say that john is not an übermensh ? And also suppose that john is an übermensh and smith is an übermensh,and suppose that both john and smith have chosen to rule the world (and ruling the world is their ultimate value and they're very commited to their values),then this would a big problem.
God is a human construct built to give meaning and purpose to life as a whole. Saying that God is dead means it’s dead in our mind, so we must think otherwise about the meaning of life, and if it has any. On the other way, if everyone in this planet was an Ubermensch there would be no herd. I think Nietzsche shaped this concept in a purely individualistic way, as a goal to aim at, but impossible to achieve not only by the herd but by most people. Consumerism and productivity are the new gods. Herd will always need something to follow. Ubermensch could be simply thinking by oneself, in disregard of others’ opinions and beliefs. That’s not as easy as it seems.
You should study the works of Rudolph Steiner, Manly P Hall and the Nag Hammadi Texts in order to grasp the gravity of what Nietzsche is trying to say. You need to drop your physical attitude of everything and look deeper into the deeper gnosis hidden behind the stories. I'd also look very very closely at the works of the Buddha and especially Jesus if you really want to empathise with his point of view. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is almost like the Gospel of Thomas and Philip....if you have ears to hear.
I disagree with one of your objections. A subjective morality can still be universal. Morality by definition must be subjective since it requires subjects in order to have any meaning whatsoever. While all the subjects have different brains/abilities/experiences etc. they are nonetheless all human. Apart from 2% who are psychopathic, we all have brains governed by limbic systems, so all respond to story/parable/allegory. We are already having conversations and interactions in popular culture where stories compete for popularity among human brains. Given an upsurge in interest in "spiritual" (which I think translates as philosophy told in such a way it affects the limbic system) stuff, the conversation could create competition for better moral narratives, and a collection of the most popular in such a society may conceivably yield the outline of a somewhat universal human morality.
When it is said "God is dead" it really means the death of the concept of omnisiant endless god that rewards good deeds and punishes wickedness not just creator of the world.
Another great discussion, thank-you. My 2 cents (1) God is Dead, may just mean that the preexisting universal Christian notion of morality and creation etc. is now obsolete, which of course, it is, maybe it always was just a kind of fakery to support an evil power hierarchy, does anyone really believe that hocus pocus? (2) The existence of god is a separate debate and I have no real need for the hypothesis myself, nor did N and nor do 99 percent of us on a daily basis; furthermore we cant even agree on the meaning of the word so it has become meaningless in an objective context (3) you are absolutely right, N did not leave us with a clear path to becoming Uber dudes and dudettes or trans Ubers (4) there are not really a lot of choices when it comes to moral codes, really it just boils down to some ratio of selfishness vs compassion for others and look around, throughout history we have generally been naturally biased towards selfishness with a bit of empathy thrown in so the Uber Dude just has to think outside the box and escape the notion of some religious or other organization imposing their will on him to arrive at freedom of expression (loneliness) in order to be a leg up, in a general sense; no details were provided by N perhaps because he got sick and stopped working but we will always need some selfishness and some measure of empathy to bake a good cake (5) Existentialism invites us to create ourselves and throw off the templates of culture and parental control and ... lets see what happens - Elon Musk, the Woke morons, Kardashians, Charles Manson, Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson or some AI entity that has yet to show her godlike self; who knows what potential lurks within the human consciousness, let alone our creation AI - and I think that's just where N got to before he went nuts. Too bad, Nietzsche was a badass and taught us all to grow up and leave home, I think.(6) Buddhism gives us a means to transcend the trappings of our real universal religion which is capitalism, but I don't see too many people moving in that direction because it can be a bit Nihilistic (7) its true though, if everyone decided to be an Uber Person, chaos would rein and taxis drivers would all be out of business! (8) I think the best moral code is that taught by pagans and aboriginal people, one which places the planet and natural environment above us selfish, competitive, ignorant, destructive, egotistical chimps with nuclear weapons and philosophical debates that have gone on for 4000 years without resolution. Maybe I would support a kind of neopaganistic deity, perhaps the god of Spinoza. Can you two do Spinoza? Cheers.
I don't see how one can discard any reference to a religion and still maintain a belief in God. it seems to me that that is another way of discarding an objective belief and relying on a subjective belief that one creates entirely for themselves.
Hello, I want to ask something about Nietzsche. Where do you think Nietzsche stands in ethical theory? I have been puzzling with that question for a long time. When we consider his thoughts about truths for example he seems like a non-cognitivist, claiming there are no moral facts only metaphors but he also wants us to revaluate our values and create new truths independent from the valid value judgments. But when we create our own values and name them as our goods and bads-not evils-it seems like we are adopting ethical subjectivism, which is, a cognitivist theory? I would appreciate if you answer my question. Thank you ( or maybe I should not think of him with 20th century ethical categories at all)
At the time when Nietzsche said “God is dead”, “God” was a creation of and identified solely by religion. There was no other concept of God beyond religion as we have in today’s modern society. So when we take this into account then the statement “God is dead” does not seem a stretch but rather a logical conclusion.
It would seem that the ubermensch, by today's standards, I think, would be an animal or human rights or earth activist who undertakes their cause and triumphs while all others chose not to get involved or failed.
That proves my thinking before watching this video that no one should be a hero, except Jeovah since Jehovah saves all, not ourselves. We save ourselves thru external faith, not internal faith which from our mind we act accurately so we can't see inside our mind, but outside our mind, so we don't depend on internal which would imply we become God ourselves. The video and the uber- statement is to find purpose which needs to be filled since we get negative emotion and are aware of the process to higher negative which is death, so can't block the death so thru longer time if we live forever and do whatever without actual God, then the suffer will be greater than actual death since there is new birth so unaware of past that is death, so all info within that person is dead, so it is not in you so you are not aware but you learn new so become new info, which it will die, so info can pass around, but if live longer, so the info last longer, so suffer will be faster base on a new idea that is connected to an old idea, which connects to more old. It is illogical you are objective in your statement since you are subjective which you are relative that is to your death, so to gain to a higher level to be objective that is connected to the object which is Jehovah, so you became a being that matches the object so you are objective so which is love, so all is external.
This was great. Really well thought out and balanced. However your voices creep me out, I only say that because i think knowing what you look like could make things a bit less weird
Hi guys, I loved this video and your channel, and by the way, God is definitely not dead. And I believe he loves your videos, too. Keep it up, I am learning loads!! 👍🤓
This is great, it’s really well done. With absurdist views morality almost always has too much weight in my opinion. This is the concept, that we all have the opportunity to determine what is meaningful and has value. Morality falls into place to some degree. We determine what matters and follow a moral code that supports the growth and development of what we value.
The point is, you can never determine without a doubt what is "meaningful and has value". Partially, because it is determined by the situation. In the street a discarded plastic bottle has no value at all, while it may be a lifesaver when you're on a deserted island. And if morality falls into place, I wonder where. Nature is amoral. We can't learn any lessons on morality there. There is no objective value anywhere. The concept of Ubermensch is problematic in this regard, because any choice needs to have *some* basis in teleology. The only conclusion I can make is inverting the characteristics of the "Untermensch", the follower, the slave mentality, the believer of a paradise somewhere, the incapable, who turns sins into virtues. And I come to the conclusion that there is no "we" in an "Ubermensch" dictionary. He goes, he strives, he leads humanity - but without looking over his shoulder to see if anyone is following him. He does the things he does for himself and by himself and by these acts themselves, he elevates the human race.
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I like when the purple guy start arguing. Its like balancing the previous argument and somehow i started to have a personal question for myself
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video :)
This is what a philosophy channel should be like - balanced. Present the facts and arguments and let people think for themselves. Rather than, let's say, a channel like Philosophy Tube, which will state a position, nitpick obscure ideas from books that support that position with an air of it's being THE definitive idea and then use a whole lot of language manipulation to 'prove' the position. In essence, it's good to hear from someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight.
just say you hate trans people and move on
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The entire point of life is to have a dog in the fight.
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I love the very succinct explanation that Nietzche's assertion that there is no objective morality leads to either moral nihilism or subjectivism, and that the ubermensch runs into problems because of this!
Feel free to debate me on this, and I would love to discuss the topic, but I don't think these criticisms of Nietzsche are valid. At 6:40 you ask how we can know what an Ubermensch is like without ever coming into contact with one. I believe this question is formed from the misconception of the Ubermensch being a definitive "ultimate goal" as you put it at 7:20. I find the Ubermensch to be better described as the next step in human development. It's a gradual change, not a definitive transformation. Nietzsche even says we have seen "glimpses" of the Ubermensch in humanity already, so these attributes would not be unknown to us. Nietzsche determines the attributes of the Ubermensch simply by observing the attributes of humanity that are most beneficial (like having a free mind versus a herd mentality or being focused on reality versus an afterlife). Imagine we existed as giraffes with short necks. If we observe giraffes with longer necks thriving in our environment, then our idea of an "ubergiraffe" would be a giraffe with a longer neck. The next part is my biggest criticism on your analysis of Nietzsche. Around 8:20 you make several comments all alluding to the idea that the only alternative to moral objectivity is moral subjectivity, and this is not true. You are forgetting about moral intersubjectivity, which is what I believe Nietzsche is talking about. Intersubjectivity is the belief that there is moral objectivity, but only in relation to each subjective goal. This means the Ubermensch will have a better grasp on morality than us without any established universal moral laws. This would most definitely bring about some conflict of interest, but conflict of interest does not constitute the need for a moral law. For example, if I need an object, but another person is in possession of said object, there is a conflict of interest. I could say my morally subjective opinion leads me to determine that the best course of action would be to kill the person and take the object. But, most likely, this will be objectively false because I then put myself at risk, damage my psyche, and I can no longer utilize this person as a future asset when I (probably) could've just offered money instead. An Ubermensch will know when killing ect. is necessary or beneficial and when it is not based on the situation, and not based on a law or an opinion (objectivity or subjectivity) therefore the world of the Ubermensch would not be one of chaos, as everyone would understand that creating chaos does not objectively help their subjective goal. Lastly, you mention "God is dead" as if it is Nietzsche advocating for the abandonment of the idea of God just because the Bible falls short in some areas. This is also incorrect. Nietzsche was describing what Christianity has done to the image of God. That is-- they distorted it so drastically to the point where people are turning to nihilism and abandoning the metaphysical idea of God altogether. Nietzsche was labeled by many scholars (and Wikipedia) as a pantheist, not an atheist. He accepted the idea of God, just not in the Judeo-Christian sense. Edit: Just fixed some grammatical errors.
I agree that these criticisms aren't really valid, because it seems like they're tying other meanings into nihilism that they are mistakenly inferred rather than necessities of the philosophy. Such as how nihilism doesn't seem to be the rejection of the Judeo-Christian religions, but to the sense of morality the churches or church-equivalents enforced. There is also the fact that just because value and morality become subjective doesn't mean that individuals cannot naturally come the the same conclusions on the issues.
Your explanation of evolution sounds a tad more like Lemarkian evolution in which a giraffe has to strive for a longer neck and that trait is to be passed onto its offspring. So are you trying to say that to become an Ubermensch, one has to strive for human development to reach it via their offspring?
Great reply. Well written. I came here because I had a fascination for Nietzsche's ubermensch in my younger years and it just recently occurred to me that Elon Musk might be as close an example of one as we've had for a while. This video had more of an emphasis on the morality and self-mastery side than I remember getting from N. My recollection was that the ubermensch, by displaying superiority in their abilities that they could be an example to others of how a human could reach such prowess, or that it could instruct us on how to fashion our lives and morality to perhaps try to achieve the same. The ubermensch was to provide the inspiration to improve as a species which could no longer be provided by the church. Elon could be that. Compared to the corporate filth he mostly competes with, he's a bastion of morality. I propose the First Nietzschean Church of Elon! Who's with me?
@@alaricgoldkuhl155 The wealthy, generic celebrities, actor, athletes and musicians are the worst role models to have. They exemplify the elitist notion of the American Dream, and look down on the poor as lazy. I say that our role models should be ones like Terry Fox, who fought for cancer research, despite his disability.
While I may be late to the show and agree with much; I would like to describe my personal interpretation of his God is Dead quote considering how widely misinterpreted it is.
In my opinion, Neitzche is acknowledging that due to our advancements in humanity and morality that we have not only distorted the image of God, but no longer need the prospect of a "God" to determine ourselves and our morality and this leads further to the Ubermensch who has defined his own morality as a result of his life experience.
Religion deems what is moral and immoral, but we do not need religion to determine our morality anymore, and in killing God we can free ourselves of the confinement of religion, rebel against the dragon of society, and maintain our morality simply because we want to and can; not because we have to.
A lot of people find Neitzche to be an advocate of nihilism when he was actually strongly against it. Believing it to be a detriment to the human condition and our advancement as humans. Instead, he advocated that despite the meaningless we instead develop ourselves, find our meaning, and develop our morality without religious influence.
I still have more reading of his to do, but overall I found him to be an incredibly hopeful philosopher.
The concept of an Ubermensch can become a reality if literally only one human remained in existence.
you can have a tiny elite enslaving everyone else, too
No! I am the Ubermensch
Incorrect. Like the video said, there are already 7 billion different moral standards in the world, and society chugs along just fine (arguably). What is currently happening is people have their own values, and they ignore/suppress those values because they're told that they MUST value what the rest of society values in order for society to be peaceful and progressive and good like it is(they are told it's the only way), and they follow society's rules as best they can in order to interact in society as peacefully and productively as possible. The Ubermensch keeps his own values, and then does his best to live by those values while also interacting in society as peacefully and productively as possible. (this includes the hypothetical scenario that the ubermensch in question values peaceful interaction in society, which seems like a reasonable assumption.)
@@brianburch8062 Or, one class controls the entire world, politically, financially, economically, militarily, do you understand how the world works?
@@destruction1928 that's our current situation. Doesn't contradict what i said. I'm open to your ideas though.
Brilliant the way you debate...Love the voice of the guy without glasses..Please carry on making more philosophy videos.
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I'm not sure if I can say this among all these heads of intellectuals.....but I felt this guy's voice really soothing. And it's devine feeling, listening to him ❤️
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Who is the second guy without glasses? His voice sounds weird, it's like he either smokes or is dead inside or some combination of the two, lol...
Definitely a combination of the two.
i like the voice and the channel
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Thank you gentlemen. I love the way you answer each other's points with a flat, monosllyabic reply, but then offer profound counterpoints when your time to speak comes about. In truth, it really cracks me up! Brilliant.
All I know is that there is much more going on in existence than meets the eye, and religions are just trying to speak of that, but words and concepts can only point to it-they cannot accurately capture it.
Here in Indian Country, Tulsa Oklahoma, a tribal theme points to that aspect of things as Great Mystery. After decades of looking into the great matter I agree. Shine On.
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I strongly believe that the quote by Nitetzsche and Hegal "God Is dead" , meant that we are reaching new understandings of what god IS and by doing so we are abandoning the religious archetypes.
We all think alike. We are all moralists. And go by the numbers. The numbers decide not us what is morally beneficial. Statistically proving the benefits of a moral society and individuals. Of course some things are difficult to quantify. But some are simply a given.
God is dead so we must evolve into, basically, gods? This philosophy is circular. Also, why does Nietzsche get to decide that God is dead? It takes more than one man to create a system of belief.
I feel like a true Ubermensch would reject this philosophy and simply go about his day. 😅
Amazing video - clarifies the concept of objective morality beautifully
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I think we are all gonna die.
I don’t think there would be a clash between 2 ubermensch, because a real ubermensch knows that everyone else is trying their best to be an ubermensch
They must have the same value to try to be the best ubermensch. Why not be worse? In other words; you can not escape God
Really cool video. I think the super morality builds from Kant's third categorical imperative.
Thank you :)
Ok but I was waiting for the answers😭
I think another argument against the Ubermensch is that Nietzche pivots the concept as an ultimate good. If morality is subjective, then why is pursuing the status of Ubermensch a goal for all of humanity? Is it bad not to? Why is it necessary to create your own morality if good and bad are subjective? Some ideas to consider.
Excellent brief introduction to Nietzsche's thought. Prof. Dr. Dr. H. James Birx
The entire passage "Der tolle Mensch" ("the crazy person") from Die froehliche Wissenschaft is marvelous. It's the crazy person who runs around yelling, "God is dead! We've killed him!" etc etc. He runs around the city square in broad daylight with a lantern (echoes of Diogenes of Sinope of course), looking for God. Some atheists mock the crazy person: "What happened? Did you misplace God?" And the crazy person, crazy as he is, correctly denounces the atheists for laughing, for not having grasped the seriousness of the consequences of what has happened. The entire passage is just the best.
Damn, absolutely loved the counter opinion on the Ubermensch. I was actually going to look up videos on a counter opinion because I too see holes in the theory we can become the Ubermensch. But, this video did a perfect job at the end pointing out various points.
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Fantastic vid. Slight correction our ancestors were not chimps. We share ancestry with chimps but split from a common ancestor 2 million years ago.
I think you are two ideal 'Ubermensch' or supermen! have different ideas but calm and tolerant to each other!
This is fantastic. Nice job. Excellent!
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I like the purple top guy
"The concept of God is bigger than religion." Well said.
You guys earned a new subscriber from this one. Very nicely done.
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Thanks for this, another interesting video. The criticisms of Nietzsche are worth considering, particularly those concerning the supposed death of God and the evolution of humans. Buddhists see "God" as a sort of "place-holder" for wider concepts such as "inner space" or "presence", things that can be held within the body and lead to "enlightenment". Some practitioners of meditation even talk about this move toward "enlightenment" as the next stage in our evolution. Eckhart Tolle, who uses meditation practice, though not a Buddhist, talks frequently about this idea. Perhaps Nietzsche was half right, or half way there?
Nietzsche was criticizing Judeo Christian Europe not Buddhism or Eastern religion.
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Ubermensch is a theoretical idea which can morph into whatever extistialism one creates and sees good or as a necessary evil.
In all that we do in the world, we must remember that there's a Truth for everything. And Truth remains regardless of how much and what we understand.
If there is no Truth, then chaos reigns, anything can be any at any given moment in time. Yet , of course we all know that cannot be, because we can all see that there's an order to how things work.
If there is order, then there's a Truth that forms that order.
How can something that Never existed be Dead?
This is my QUESTION!!!
God was alive in people's imagination and now he's dead for atheists
@@based_rushi Yeah, I get the metaphor/reference, it just gets strange as you keep carrying it out. “God isn’t real” makes more sense. “God was never real” makes more sense. If God died... what was the dying process? At some point, Nietzsche says “God is dead. We killed him” something like that.
🤷🏾♀️ If I’m honest... I don’t really care that much. The philosophy doesn’t resonate with me, but this was interesting to attempt to/understand.
Your simplicity is great. You r great.
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The thing about the Superman theory is that it’s based on evolution. Evolution doesn’t care about strength morals or belief’s it only cares about two things the ability to survive and the ability to reproduce based on that logic the Superman could be anything so long as it could do those things effectively.
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If it's possible for you to make a video on below topics 3 philosophical debate of all time l think it will be more helpful for your viewer
1)Free-will & Determinism
2) Mind body Relationship (Descartes mind-body dualism, interactionism and Spinoza's Mind-Body Parallelism)
3) Rationalism and Empiricism
These are also part of developmental psychology
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Free Will and Determinism: ua-cam.com/video/xS8rSJr9bhI/v-deo.html
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Great job this was such an amazing debate 👏👏👏
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Very good video man, your criticism on the Übermensch is very spot on.
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The Superman he refers to is the 'Enlightened Man' - as if you listen very hard, the truth will come to you at last. God is WITHIN US (The IDEA of 'God' that we've been programmed to believe is DEAD; therefore: God is dead) - when we become enlightened, we bring heaven to earth with us and draw others into that light and raise them - but there are also those who only steal and take and draw down and he warns of not trying to waste time with these nihilists. Jesus taught exactly the same thing - don't wast your pearls on swine etc. This is a complete mess of an interpretation guys. Sorry. Its so obviously easy to understand if you look past our human insecurities and physical ego and fear based attitudes. The man he talks about are those who find Heaven on Earth leading up to the 'rapture' when Jesus rises in the hearts of all mankind and helps the rest of humanity achieve this awakening. If you want to no more, please ask because this is vital more than anyone seems to realise. Jesus was trying to tell us the same thing. Order from Chaos is the key to unlocking the truth.
1:18 It's also important the context of the book, it was declared by a madman in the town square in the joyous science
My Buddha's #Enlightenment- ATE your Ubermensch.
Okay I understand all the confusion. I don't post selfies
Hi, great videos on philosophical issues! But I haven't found one in your channel that deals with phenomenology.
I wonder if you are planning to make videos on it. Thanks.
Great chat only thing I'd add is subjective morality leads to nihilism
The reason morality would all level out is because morality is a system and it will reach a point where one system proves better then the other. its not a single idea you get wrong. its a place you have to arrive, so the direction will be one or should be.
My take on this concept is that ubermen is evolved man but in a way that he don't need any other sources (superficial or not) of will, except his own will power that derived from things he like to do (it's more of a mental evolution than physical). And yes we r products of our brought up every situation results good or bad thinking same as coin can go heads or tails. But Wat if the subject is surrounded by ubermen (being ubermen mean that he draw will power from the shear enthusiasm towards his ideas) so he don't have time to wait and pass or receive judgements from other. If he failed he'll learn the lesson and try in a differnt way.
And I think I can refer Luffy from One piece (anime) for this example but evolution like this would make things awesome
I really appreciate this channel 👍👍
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This is awesome.
Thank you
It's weird but I find an overlap between the Ubermensch and the Divine Spark...
basic but well explained and entertaining well done
Thank you!
Yup, Ubermensch is just Nietzsche's subjective opinion.
thank -God- I mean ubermensch for this channel
Really enjoyed the video
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Love the hype man on the left!
Just 1 thing. Our ancestors weren't chimps. We share a common ancestor with chimps. Big difference, but ur point remains valid
Well explained. Loved it.
Thank you, lad you liked it.
Choosing that other Spiritual worlds don't exist doesn't mean they don't exist.
This is excellent explanation.
Thank you 🙂
Pls provide Arabic subtitles for the rest of videos
i am stuck on being to overcome nihilism for now. and I don't think become overman is a solution. i do believe that we can go higher as a human being than us right now, but the version of each person will be not same, i think.
I’d argue that the morals and values are already there. Look how similar religions are at their core. Every huge group of people with shared values over history has arrived at more or less the same ideas of right and wrong.
Just because god is dead doesn’t mean we have to bury him. We can figure out what he did right and take it one step further by making it less abstract with the introduction of science into morality.
I disagree that everyone has or had the same shared values, especially when it comes to how women were treated, animal rights, punishments for criminals and human rights. They may seem similar on the surface but vary greatly.
Furthermore, if one believes values are intrinsic where do they derive from and would you subscribe to a cognitivist position in which humans know and understand morality by intuition?
That "devils advocate" dude in purple perfectly expresses the perspective of the herd man, typically arguing that all humans are equal, whereas Nietzsche's argument is exactly the opposite: only the very rare Higher Type can ever possess the courage and strength of Will to work constantly towards evolving into the Ubermench.
I put this at about 0.01% of the population, so out of 8 billion people, 800,000 will advance to becoming "beyond humans", and subsequently explore space (i.e. climb down from the trees and learn how to walk off the Serengeti plains). The cowardly rest will Self-reduce back into a more primitive state (hedonists), or Self-destruct (WOKE ideologues).
Of course, narcissists hate hearing this very inconvenient Truth, and will deny it with as much vindictiveness as they deny doing hard work and discipline at anything worthwhile, such is the Self-defensive nature of delusional grandiosity. But Time is the best judge.
When you realize Being Ubermench is
the same as a normal person goal to become a Dirrector from his Managor possition
How muvh time till we need to become next level Uber mench
Furthermore if john decided to take smith's values as his values (because john liked smith's values ),can we say that john is an übermensh ? It seems yes,so why if john decided to choose Christian values,we would say that john is not an übermensh ?
And also suppose that john is an übermensh and smith is an übermensh,and suppose that both john and smith have chosen to rule the world (and ruling the world is their ultimate value and they're very commited to their values),then this would a big problem.
"Are you falling into a nihilist abyss?" 😂😂
God is a human construct built to give meaning and purpose to life as a whole. Saying that God is dead means it’s dead in our mind, so we must think otherwise about the meaning of life, and if it has any. On the other way, if everyone in this planet was an Ubermensch there would be no herd. I think Nietzsche shaped this concept in a purely individualistic way, as a goal to aim at, but impossible to achieve not only by the herd but by most people. Consumerism and productivity are the new gods. Herd will always need something to follow. Ubermensch could be simply thinking by oneself, in disregard of others’ opinions and beliefs. That’s not as easy as it seems.
Purple suit guy spitting facts. I don't see how the
nihilistic world is practical.
I feel as though subjective morality can justify superstition in some cases.
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Very good points thank u ,but an ubermensch concept is really awesome perhaps we can take parts from both god is still alive and ubermensch both?
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You should study the works of Rudolph Steiner, Manly P Hall and the Nag Hammadi Texts in order to grasp the gravity of what Nietzsche is trying to say. You need to drop your physical attitude of everything and look deeper into the deeper gnosis hidden behind the stories. I'd also look very very closely at the works of the Buddha and especially Jesus if you really want to empathise with his point of view. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is almost like the Gospel of Thomas and Philip....if you have ears to hear.
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I disagree with one of your objections. A subjective morality can still be universal. Morality by definition must be subjective since it requires subjects in order to have any meaning whatsoever. While all the subjects have different brains/abilities/experiences etc. they are nonetheless all human. Apart from 2% who are psychopathic, we all have brains governed by limbic systems, so all respond to story/parable/allegory. We are already having conversations and interactions in popular culture where stories compete for popularity among human brains. Given an upsurge in interest in "spiritual" (which I think translates as philosophy told in such a way it affects the limbic system) stuff, the conversation could create competition for better moral narratives, and a collection of the most popular in such a society may conceivably yield the outline of a somewhat universal human morality.
I disagree, morality cannot be subjective and universal. It is a contradictory concept in and of itself.
When it is said "God is dead" it really means the death of the concept of omnisiant endless god that rewards good deeds and punishes wickedness not just creator of the world.
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Another great discussion, thank-you. My 2 cents (1) God is Dead, may just mean that the preexisting universal Christian notion of morality and creation etc. is now obsolete, which of course, it is, maybe it always was just a kind of fakery to support an evil power hierarchy, does anyone really believe that hocus pocus? (2) The existence of god is a separate debate and I have no real need for the hypothesis myself, nor did N and nor do 99 percent of us on a daily basis; furthermore we cant even agree on the meaning of the word so it has become meaningless in an objective context (3) you are absolutely right, N did not leave us with a clear path to becoming Uber dudes and dudettes or trans Ubers (4) there are not really a lot of choices when it comes to moral codes, really it just boils down to some ratio of selfishness vs compassion for others and look around, throughout history we have generally been naturally biased towards selfishness with a bit of empathy thrown in so the Uber Dude just has to think outside the box and escape the notion of some religious or other organization imposing their will on him to arrive at freedom of expression (loneliness) in order to be a leg up, in a general sense; no details were provided by N perhaps because he got sick and stopped working but we will always need some selfishness and some measure of empathy to bake a good cake (5) Existentialism invites us to create ourselves and throw off the templates of culture and parental control and ... lets see what happens - Elon Musk, the Woke morons, Kardashians, Charles Manson, Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson or some AI entity that has yet to show her godlike self; who knows what potential lurks within the human consciousness, let alone our creation AI - and I think that's just where N got to before he went nuts. Too bad, Nietzsche was a badass and taught us all to grow up and leave home, I think.(6) Buddhism gives us a means to transcend the trappings of our real universal religion which is capitalism, but I don't see too many people moving in that direction because it can be a bit Nihilistic (7) its true though, if everyone decided to be an Uber Person, chaos would rein and taxis drivers would all be out of business! (8) I think the best moral code is that taught by pagans and aboriginal people, one which places the planet and natural environment above us selfish, competitive, ignorant, destructive, egotistical chimps with nuclear weapons and philosophical debates that have gone on for 4000 years without resolution. Maybe I would support a kind of neopaganistic deity, perhaps the god of Spinoza. Can you two do Spinoza? Cheers.
I don't see how one can discard any reference to a religion and still maintain a belief in God. it seems to me that that is another way of discarding an objective belief and relying on a subjective belief that one creates entirely for themselves.
Have you heard of the Kalam? If you believe that argument then belief in God or gods is a rational thing.
@@avivastudios2311 - no. I have not. But I didn't write that belief in the God of Judeo Christian tradition is irrational.
My throat hurt🙁
Erwin be like: *SASAGEYO*
Hello, I want to ask something about Nietzsche. Where do you think Nietzsche stands in ethical theory? I have been puzzling with that question for a long time. When we consider his thoughts about truths for example he seems like a non-cognitivist, claiming there are no moral facts only metaphors but he also wants us to revaluate our values and create new truths independent from the valid value judgments. But when we create our own values and name them as our goods and bads-not evils-it seems like we are adopting ethical subjectivism, which is, a cognitivist theory? I would appreciate if you answer my question. Thank you
( or maybe I should not think of him with 20th century ethical categories at all)
Read beyond good and evil and find out.
At the time when Nietzsche said “God is dead”, “God” was a creation of and identified solely by religion. There was no other concept of God beyond religion as we have in today’s modern society. So when we take this into account then the statement “God is dead” does not seem a stretch but rather a logical conclusion.
What other idea of God is there beyond religion?
Maybe the Buddha showed us a path to becoming the Ubermensch?
why did one english video helped me more than the german ones lmao, anyway good video hehe
Glad we could help 😀
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Most people do not get him, how was a Nihilist, is every Athiest a Nihilist?
It would seem that the ubermensch, by today's standards, I think, would be an animal or human rights or earth activist who undertakes their cause and triumphs while all others chose not to get involved or failed.
Not by definition, but it is possible, if that is what the ubermensch deemed to be a moral priority.
Said every anime character ever
Did "god" ever live? That's a fair question
In my opinion that figure on the left is extremely annoying with those one word responses. Would be better without it ig
That proves my thinking before watching this video that no one should be a hero, except Jeovah since Jehovah saves all, not ourselves. We save ourselves thru external faith, not internal faith which from our mind we act accurately so we can't see inside our mind, but outside our mind, so we don't depend on internal which would imply we become God ourselves. The video and the uber- statement is to find purpose which needs to be filled since we get negative emotion and are aware of the process to higher negative which is death, so can't block the death so thru longer time if we live forever and do whatever without actual God, then the suffer will be greater than actual death since there is new birth so unaware of past that is death, so all info within that person is dead, so it is not in you so you are not aware but you learn new so become new info, which it will die, so info can pass around, but if live longer, so the info last longer, so suffer will be faster base on a new idea that is connected to an old idea, which connects to more old. It is illogical you are objective in your statement since you are subjective which you are relative that is to your death, so to gain to a higher level to be objective that is connected to the object which is Jehovah, so you became a being that matches the object so you are objective so which is love, so all is external.
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@@PhilosophyVibe yeah that's alright. You guys are doing a great job on UA-cam anyway.
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Morality may be not universal, but consciousness can be, which might be the key to ubermensch.
This was great. Really well thought out and balanced. However your voices creep me out, I only say that because i think knowing what you look like could make things a bit less weird
Thank you. FYI we look worse than our voices 😬
I like the voices. Sound like generated by computers.
Wow! Both you guys are so close. Just meet in the middle. 🥳
I might know of one man to be a ubermensch alive in this very generation...😏
Something created the universe and that resonates through the human soul - that is god...?
That’s it???? “GOOD POINT??” That’s all you said back?!?!? Smh. God is dead
Hi guys, I loved this video and your channel, and by the way, God is definitely not dead. And I believe he loves your videos, too. Keep it up, I am learning loads!! 👍🤓
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Can a Person believing in God be an Ubermensch
You can be a deist, but any sort of abrahamic religion directly contradicts nearly every ideal of the Uber Mensch.
This is great, it’s really well done. With absurdist views morality almost always has too much weight in my opinion. This is the concept, that we all have the opportunity to determine what is meaningful and has value. Morality falls into place to some degree. We determine what matters and follow a moral code that supports the growth and development of what we value.
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The point is, you can never determine without a doubt what is "meaningful and has value". Partially, because it is determined by the situation. In the street a discarded plastic bottle has no value at all, while it may be a lifesaver when you're on a deserted island. And if morality falls into place, I wonder where. Nature is amoral. We can't learn any lessons on morality there. There is no objective value anywhere.
The concept of Ubermensch is problematic in this regard, because any choice needs to have *some* basis in teleology. The only conclusion I can make is inverting the characteristics of the "Untermensch", the follower, the slave mentality, the believer of a paradise somewhere, the incapable, who turns sins into virtues. And I come to the conclusion that there is no "we" in an "Ubermensch" dictionary.
He goes, he strives, he leads humanity - but without looking over his shoulder to see if anyone is following him. He does the things he does for himself and by himself and by these acts themselves, he elevates the human race.
It just occurred to me... you’re just one peep 😂