Why Does Scania Still Use a V8 Engine?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- For Scania it almost all comes down to heritage. The V8 diesel is what helped grow their brand to new heights and its what their customers expected them to continue with. They've had plenty of chances to switch to an inline-six, but they've stuck with their roots and as such, they've built quite a following in Europe.
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The Scania 770 has 2700+ pounds torque at 900 rpms, not 2200. he he. AND on a single drive axle, which is...........unreal ! ! !
no.
Honestly if you ever get a chance to drive one take it I have been lucky enough to drive on both sides off the Atlantic and their is some fabulous trucks in the USA but for raw grunt going up hill and heavy pulling and comfort them v8s are class the sound out off the exhaust is unreal it's my second favourite engine still like my big cam Cummins 2
MAN also has a v8 series truck
Perhaps a vid on turbo compound engines?
From your video one can get the impression that Scania sells only V8's which is not true. They also offer I5 and I6 engines, in fact for international long haulage in Europe the majority of the trucks are equipped with I6 engines.
Scania's V8 engine was designed when Sweden and Finland allowed 60 tonnes total weight and 25m total length trucks on most public roads from 1970 onwards. Until then, it was only 50tons total weight.
It could be used in the extensive forest industry in the two countries.
From 1972 onwards, Germany demanded a minimum of 8 horsepower per. tons on their autobahns. The A7 in Kassel Hills was then a huge challenge for trucks with too little horsepower.
Scania was ahead of their competitors as their V8 had a turbocharger and was more energy efficient than the German truck manufacturers at the time. They chose to build large 18L engines without a turbocharger.
Other events such as when Egypt closed the Suez Canal at the beginning of the Six-Day War on 5 June 1967, the canal remained closed for precisely eight years, reopening on 5 June 1975. This led to a huge growth in truck transport between Europe and the Middle East strongly growing oil economies via Turkey's mountainous terrain. Here, Scania's very strong and economical V8 engine together with a generally thoroughly tested truck from Sweden, was really appreciated.
Europe generally has a more hilly and mountainous terrain compared to North America, which requires more horsepower per. tons.
The sound of the V8 Södertälje Symphony Orchestra has since 1969 also been a very significant sales speech. It's probably the most legendary sound in diesel engine history. ua-cam.com/video/IBzeNFFraJ4/v-deo.html Scania V8 climbing Junkerdal Norway RV77
Kassel hils are Famous
In Sweden it is still common to see 24 meters trucks
I have hundreds of thousands of Kms in V8 Scanias here in Australia and love them they are built for driver comfort and the hydraulic retarder is amazing, they do seem to have reliability issues here with the heat. A lot of trucks here are cabover because of our strict length laws and to maximise freight space I had a 730 Hp Scania and it would blow the doors off most trucks.
The most popular and reliable truck here is the Kenworth it’s just a shame there so uncomfortable to drive but when you are pulling 130 ton and four trailers on crappy dirt roads the Kenworth won’t fall apart as often as the Euros.
American cabover fans are jealous of you guys there because Kenworth Australia still builds the Kenworth K-200 cabovers there, and they have configurations that wasn't dreamed about when the K-100 was build decades ago, like the 8x4 and 10x6 variants (they are pouting too because they can't export it to the US, well, at least for 25 or so years, lol).
@@kristoffermangila there is a huge demand for new trucks in Australia at the moment and some companies are waiting 12 months for deliveries of the new K200 we also make Volvo trucks in Brisbane and they have similar delays. I like driving the Kenworth 909 series great out on the highways but no good in tight city streets and they require a short A trailer because of there length even though they have increased our B Double length from 26 to 27 meters they still expect us to get them into places in city’s that were designed for a horse and cart, you have to split trailers and deliver each one seperate it’s a huge pain in the rear. That’s a K200 big cab I drove in my profile pic.
K series can get in the bin. Every thing bad Americans remember about cab overs, lives on in k series.
But honestly the Aus built FH is my fav truck on market. Does everything well.
@@audoinxr6372 I like the Volvos they are very comfortable unfortunately they just don’t hold up out west on the crap roads the new k series have come a long way the last one I had had done over 3 million kms
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 yeah scania has engine coolant running to the retarder, so as you can imagine the heat gets very intense but mercedes has that system too possibly volvo
I miss the golden era of the Cabovers in the US in the 60's and 70's. They were just amazing looking. My personal favorites the IH Transtar series of cabovers.
I'm from Australia & I've owned several Scania V8's towing B-Double trailers @65 tonnes. I chose the R620 version for several reasons. 1.Everything is Scania - Engines, Transmission, Cab, Differentials. If you do have a problem you only need to go to one place - Scania. American trucks Kenworths/Western Stars/Freighliners have Cummins/Detroit/Eaton/Rockwells etc. 2.Scania V8's are torque monsters which are able to haul heavy loads & maintain road speed at low RPM making them fuel efficent and, 3.The Scania integrated Retarder & exhaust brake. With this I can slow 65 tonnes from 100km/h down steep declines & never have to touch the brake pedal. No other manufacturer has anything that comes close. I'd attach a picture if I knew how.
I drive a r620 v8 with livestock in europe. Its 10 years old great truck.
retarder breaks are very usual in Europe. ^^
Weeks ago I've seen a vid from a US truck driver who had to manage brake temps and (I was laughing xD) temps of his differentials LOL
We'd just simply cruise down that decline with the retarder coupled to the cruise control and nothing to worry about ^^
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver i have a retarder on the old scania, am 600000 km on same brakepads and they are stil 50%
Cool story bro.
You are so correct,I have a mack v8 and pulls like a locomotive but they are cheap on fuel but horrible engine brakes
The reason for cab overs isnt that the roads are to small for normal trucks. Its because of regulations saying tracks cant be over a specific lenght.
Nope - the biggest reason for cab-overs in Europe is, as the man said, they can get round much sharper corners on much narrower roads.
@@jackx4311 Yes and no, we have limited lenghts here 17 meter is the maximum lenght of a SEMI but articulated box trucks have other lenghts (maximum lenght varies from country to country)
In Finland we have a maximum lenght of 34m (111ft) and max 76,000kg (167,000lb) gross weight
@@jackx4311 i don´t think so, it´s more the regulations. 16.5 m overall length for a semi truck and 13.6 m trailer length. Leaving something arround 2.5 m for the cab. Manouverability depends on wheelbase only. And you can built a cabover and a conventional with exactly the same wheelbase, depending on cargo type you are hauling. Dumpers for example were often conventionals back in the day. Their dump boxes were just a bit shorter and higher than the ones of cabovers, and the overall length was the same.
you can put big trucks on small roads if you have enough skill, just look at Colombia, we have mostly daycabs but some truckers have sleepers and the roads are just as tight as in europe
The turning DIAMETER of a EU Tractor 15 meter. Turning RADIUS of a US tractor is over 12 meter....that is allmost 25 meter in DIAMETER. Sorry to say, but US trucks are built to go straight.
You have opened old bleeding wounds and brought back old memories .
Scania had a inline 6 cylinder engine for a long time , I know because I worked on them , in 1973 I was 13 years old and that was when I entered the family business which was a diesel truck repair business that is in the Old Country Palestine , by the age of 15 I was doing complete engine overhauls , the inline 6-cylinder Scania engine utilizes a wet sleeve design , in other words there is no re Machining off the block , simply remove the old sleeve and put a new one in .
We used to take the oil pan off the engine and inspect the crankshaft , if the crankshaft was okay then the engine was over hold while it's in the vehicle , we used to slide in new Main bearings , replace the trust washers if we had to , then simply pull out the wet sleeves and install a new ones in which was fairly easy enough , my dad invented a tool for removing the sleeves , I wish he have file for a patent .
Scania was extremely innovative , 70s Scania engine utilized a centrifugal oil filter , simply open it up clean it and put it back , you could say it's an early version of Enviro oil filter .
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he could change to actually invest time into fact checking his story. the whole turn radius story is a load of bullshit. its simply because the total length of european trucks is limited and leaves about 2.5 meters (8ft) for the cab with a full size 40ft trailer behind it.
Just a small correction: Scania still runs OHV in the DC16, but they do have 4 valve per cylinder.
Not sure how I messed that one up, the DC16 doesn't even look OHC 🤦🏻♂
@@Dustrunnersauto We all made mistakes in the heat of passion Jimbo
But the new in line 6 engine which came out just a couple of months ago is a double ohc. This engine is going into International trucks in the US from April 2023 production, Scania, MAN and International all share the same parent company now. Whilst Scania is known for the V8 the vast majority of Scanias are in fact in line both 5 and 6 cylinder. Up until about 15 years ago many European trucks used V engines not just V8, but the V10 was very popular in Mercedes, MAN and Magirus and even a few V12.
@@Dustrunnersauto it is overhead valve but the it isnt overhead cam. It still uses push rods like an ls engine. Even the 13 liters inline 6 engines of scania uses this configuration . They are going to change that tho in the new engine update
It does have two cams, but they are in the block. Ive worked on these engines.
Cabover design was popular in the US as there was limit on truck length and the cabover design allowed longer trailers with the limit. When the limit was no longer enforced, conventional trucks came back in popularity likely due to space constraints inside the engine area . A lot of those issues have been resolved and the cabover may come back in popularity. Also, Scania was purchased by Volkswagen, and word is that they will seek sales of trucks in the US in the near future.
I work as an Engineer at Scania for over 10 years now and there are a few small corrections I can give.
The main reason why you really only see Cab over Trucks is not necessarily due to the small roads but due to regulations (which I guess is in the end due to the size of the roads). But the main difference between North America and Europe is that the maximum length of a truck in the US is WITHOUT the cab while in Europe the maximum length is WITH cab. This means that if you have an extended nose like a North American truck it will cost you cargo space in Europe. There are some changes in regulations coming where the length of the truck can be a bit longer if this space is used to increase safety and efficiency so we can see some trucks with small extensions in the near future in Europe (probably especially for EVs).
The second point is that the V8, as you mention, is kind of a prestige product next to the standard line 6 for Scania. Only a small percentage of all trucks sold are actually V8 and the fast majority we sell are line 6 engines.
@Dust Runners you should probably pin this comment at the top since it is from a Scania Engineer and he's explaining why they do it.
Also, he backs up what you said in your earlier video about the supremacy of the inline 6.
Like #177. Buddy...you could do a video just on the history of the Scania V-8 and their joint venture with Mack....on the Scania and Mack V8.
In the late 50's, Scania pitched an offer to Mack for an intellectual property trade, (We Scania like your Mack bus, but your Mack engine does not have enough power to get out of its own way.) Lets trade "Mack bus" to Sweden for "Scania cylinder head", (We'll build you a cylinder head that will make your engine pull) which Scania built the first 15000 thermodyne cylinder heads for mack.
There are Macks [you can see them at ATHS rallies] that have the Scania-Vabis cast into the thermodyne cylinder head. The 1100 rpms that a small little Mack 350 and 400 hp engine can pull at, is because Scania designed the cylinder head to pull like that. [I used to drive an R600 w/a 350hp and was taught to pull it on the hills at 1100]
Scania put to the drawing board the first V-8 in 1964 and entered into service in 1969, the 14liter 350hp. Scania designed the V-8 engine and did an "Resource" property trade with Mack. Mack had the casting facility and cast the two blocks, one Scania and other Mack. One was standard (mack), one was metric (Scania). I got to sit in a Scania 143 in Arrowchar Scotland. There was a parkinglot where logging trucks traded drivers day for night shift. And after chatting with the log truck drivers about the truck...I became hooked on the V8 sound. haha
Regulations! In the EU the overall length of a semi-truck is limited, as are other dimensions. Total gross weight is a big issue (often exceeded so trucks are taken off the road for being overloaded ...) To maximize the cargo volume within the limited length of the complete semi-truck, everything is stacked. Engine below, driver in the middle, bed in the roof (I guess Volvo came first with the "Globetrotter cab" but now all the big manufacturers have it). Often the cab is sitting on top of the engine with a soft suspension inbetween, increasing comfort so any engine vibrations aren't directly making the cab shake. (As a side note it's also important to make sure there's no resonance at idling speed, otherwise everything will vibrate terribly ...)
What a SEMI Its either a RIGID or ARTIC over here in Europe
@@MOSSFEEN what German and Austrian law calls "Sattelkraftfahrzeug"
Scania does have a presence in the US and Canada. They sell marine and agricultural engines. For example an Oxbo 8430 harvester and several lobster fishing yachts have Scania engines.
I love Scania V8 engines; even those 400 hp oldies ones sound great.
I’ll share a secret, drop the exhaust of one of the newer ones and it sounds just as good
I'm proud that my car has the saab/scania badge. Seeing that griffen always makes me smile. I have seen very few scania trucks here in the states but whenever I was in my saab we would always wave to each other. Truly unique and special vehicles
I currently own and drive an old Scania 143 Streamline. It was built in 1994, so yes its done some serious work in her life, but when it comes to comfort and drive ability I wouldn't change for any other. I have owned other makes, but our 143 would beat them all.
Heritage - yes. Saving space - no. Because cabs are the same for inline 6 or V8, doesnt matter. And volvo has also same size (16 litre) engine but its inline 6, the floor height in the cab is same no matter if Inline 6 or V8
Yes, new Scania S series has a flat floor but it all sits higher and it doesnt matter if its R6 or V8 engine you pick for your new S series.
I was thinking something was off... second video of this guy's I've watched, he seems to just make assumptions that sound legit on first glance and reel them off like facts without any real substance to it.
We've run Scania V8's. They are awesome.
I drove a Scania dc1622 V8 hauling race cars around Europe for many years. What a beautiful engine, I could listen to that baby floating along on boost for hours. Miss her.
I've done so many km's in scanias here in new Zealand mostly 560/620hp v8's a few 420/440/480hp 6 cylinders fantastic trucks with so many safety features (being Swedish) scania and volvo always trying to better each other
Something I don’t see mention of in the comments is why is the V8 so loved and used.
Torque delivery. Right from the get go. At 1000rpm they have about 75% of their maximum torque. And you don’t have to rev the engine out of its brains to get the power. Which means when doing 90kmh and with the overdrive active. You still have all the torque ready not needing to downshift and still haul it up the hill easily.
Which makes the driving more comfortable as well. Including that deep rumble it’s phenomenal.
if you want US reaction of scania drivers, contact Donnegal escavating sevices in Chicago, they run multiple older scania's, and still buy them today to run daily
I have driven the 113M V8 450, 114M 530, R580 and R730's. love them all, I have also drive the inline 6 113M 380HP with the big turbo and it was as good if not better than most 410hp trucks.
There's no such thing as "113M 450" and "114M 530".
It's 143M 450 and 144L 530.
@@tommeiner9983 ah yes correct. My bad. Wow that a little quick. 113. 11ltr 3 series 6 cyl up to 380hp. Then 143. 14ltr V8 3 series. Think they started at 410? Then if I remember the first 530 was a 144? The company I drove for got one of the first 530's. Last one I drove about 7 years ago was the 730 before we ended up in a CAT 630 with a 18spd. Hated the CAT after the 730.
Overhere in holland, it’s just in the cities where we can’t have big trucks. Sinds 2002 we drive outside the cities with 25.25m which is 83ft. We haves tests with 34m, 112ft on the highway.
The reason SCANIA has predominately pushed the V8 platform forward is because it is the best all round truck engine ever built. From the 141 that conquered the Middle East to the current 770s it is unsurpassed.
I moved to Vermont in 1989 and drove for Wilson Trucking out of Pittsford, VT. Not only did Bob Wilson have a fleet of Scanias, he also owned a Scania Truck dealership. I enjoyed the Smooth ride of the Scanias as well as their incredible turning radius.
Thank You for Your comment. Is there the Kenworth now there? Do You maybe have a contact of Mr. Wilson. I have seen that USDOT was closed in 2000., There is company with one truck on name Wilson in Pittsford now, maybe it is related? Thank You in advance.
@@TrucksScaleModels Yes. The KW dealer is where the former Wilson/Scania was located. Rumor has it that back in the mid 1990s Bob Wilson filed bankruptcy and moved to Florida leaving many people unhappy. I don't know if the the rumor is true or not.
The cab suspension on Scania and Volvo cab overs makes them way more comfortable that any conventional and that’s in Australia where we actually drive them hard... I personally prefer the extended Peterbilts but that’s just for looks.
If we had these in the US I would definitely jump in one
As european truck driver been driving a Scania R620 v8 since 2007 and the thing was beast all the time , i have done things with "her" without any problems witch with other brands i probably wouldnt be able to do , economy , confort , speed , power , if you can try a scania , try it , you will never want anything less than it ( have atm 1.500.000 kms and still runs very well , company will put it apart in the future though saddly)
As a Scania Mechanic i have to correct you: the DC16 doesnt have dual overhead cams. They have one individual cylinder head per cylinder, so it have never been overhead camshafts on a Scania V8
But on the other hand, the new inline six that scania released a year ago, has a brand new design with dual overhead cams and «jake brake», or as we call it, decompression-brake. This engine is called DC13
Drive a V8 620hp here in europe with livestock or fridge with meats mostly from ireland to italy. Its 10 years old bit stil runs and pulls great. Engine has not been rebuilt and good maintenance will get you great milage out of it.
Honestly, driving a long hood in a tight city is the whole adventure. Making that long hood make a tight turn that it can barely make is the whole fun in it. I live here in Washington D.C., where trucks were not considered when they designed the streets. If I'm not in a long hood truck, I'm not having fun. I also love driving those type trucks in NYC! A truck is not meant to maneuver like a car in my opinion. I dont want a truck that doesn't give me a challenge, which is why I'm not in to cabovers or slant hood trucks. There is no fun in driving those style of trucks!
I drive an 18 ton rigid 4x2 based on a Scania 250bhp 9.2L I5 diesel over in the UK. In my 7 months experience with it so far, the engine has enough power for the type of work I do with it though sometimes you do wish you had a bit more. To drive it is very smooth, aided by rear air suspension, even smoother if you have it up front as well but mine isn't specced like that. Everything in the cab is within reach where you want it to be, to live in I'd like a bit more room to stand up in but that's the only downside. Plenty of storage and easy to look after.
The largest collection of Scania trucks are in New England, up until mid 1992, when word came down, that they were to be no longer sold in North America (because of an extremely small dealer base, and high tariff rates at the time).
Well Scania does not only use V8 exclusively, they use them from 510hp upwords, up to 510hp they use i6 engines as well
And they alway fight with volvo over the strongest engine in a regular commercial truck in a "standart" configuration, since the have to pull/tow up to 90t in sweden and finnland
well thats weird as we have a similar road situation here in India and most of the trucks are inline 6, with cab over the engine same as scania.
He likely didn't phrase things the best in talking about them because he has so little experience with them. Cabovers can still run inline sixes even though there are size constraints. In fact Scania offers a range of engines that include inline 5 and inline 6 diesels not just V8 diesels. I wouldn't hold it against him for not making that clear though as he likely has very little knowledge of the Euro trucks. I didn't know much about them either until after I started playing Euro Truck Simulator 2 many years ago and started researching these trucks that were so alien to me. Even though there are still some cabovers floating around in the US, none of ours are anything like the modern cabovers produced in Europe or Asia.
@@ram89572 Logical enough , I live in India and most of my extended family on one side have transportation business and I have seen their 100s of trucks all cabover and all inline 6 (cummins mostly) , so I would say vid was made from Information available to him.
Cabover is also to have more cargo space. Like, what semis are made for. The lenght limit here is 25.5m. a usa cab would just be stupid.
Here in Sweden we have a speed limit in semis of 80kmh.
We also haul a shit ton more than you do in the states. We do it heavy.
Yes. The length limit is the main reason!
In Michigan we gross 80 ton
Just sharing
Do you know here in usa we have all brands of expensive cars from Europe and why we don't like cabover do you know!
What is the legal limit In Sweden? Here in Kansas is 90 but we load em up to 100 to 110 when we're not going on any highways or to another state.
@@robwhite3241 I looked up the limit and Swedish trucks can run up to 64 tons gross weight (assuming this is metric ton so about 140k lbs). If you are bypassing federally regulated roads I believe that the highest weight limit in the US is Michigan at 164k lbs, but over a quarter of states have no weight limit for state highways.
Cab overs where common in the US until they got rid of the length laws. Then there wasn't much point for cab overs except in niche markets.
I do wish they would raise the interstate weight limits here. They've been stuck at 80,000lbs for a long time.
The setback front axle is what penalizes them for North American use. Scania built forward axle trucks for the Brazilian market, so it's not like they didn't have a solution. The other problem that they had in the US was their high empty weight. While European trucks cannot be as large as American ones they can be heavier, so empty weight is not as much of a factor over there. They like to use double frames, which aren't necessary for 80,000 lb. (36.3 tonnes) American highway operations (Europe allows the weight but not the size, the US allows the size but not the weight). Double frames are typically only found on construction trucks in the US. Had Scania come up with a lightweight spec for the US market they might have been more successful here, they only sold about 700 trucks in 7 years in the US (1986-93). A big problem (IMHO) is that Scania didn't really understand the US truck market. Volvo brought their N10 and N12 to the US in the 80s and was not very successful with them, but things changed when they put Volvo engines and powertrains into US-design White chassis.
Scania also got the T-Series conventional trucks.
I don´t know why, but in europe we tend to like the double frames and stuff, and that Scania tractors are designed for the swedish marked, meaning they can handle 60-70 tons with ease, despite in most of europe only 40-44 t are allowed.
@@denzzlinga - Do European countries salt their roads in the wintertime? One problem with double frames is moisture getting in between the two frame rails and causing corrosion. If it's salt runoff that's even worse. We typically only use double frames where twisting of the frame in off-highway operation is an issue, generally dump trucks (tippers), concrete mixers and some refuse trucks. About the only time we use them on a tractor is sometimes in heavy haul service, for general highway use it's just added weight and cost.
Really good point in Europe maximum weight is 44 metric tons which translates to 48 u.s. tons.
@@u686st7 most colder countries do. Maybe the whole thing is protected properly? Like galvanized in zinc and painted.
@@EpicThe112 - Canada allows weights that are comparable to Europe, but with US-sized (and larger) vehicles.
Average conventional sleeper truck is somewhere between 200 to 237 inches. An example my Volvo VNR is 200 where my previous Volvo VNL was 237. Biggest reason for owning a shorter truck is I drive mainly in Chicago. So it pretty much depends on application.
The total length of trucks in Europe was limited in many countries, causing development of trucks with very short cabins to have as much volume available (top sleepers). That's why most trucks are cabovers. Rules have changed, for normal trucks the cabin can be longer and there are some traditional trucks. And in many countries there are extra long trucks, that have special rules on route and driver, where a truck can be over 25 meters.
In Sweden, with their big back country, especially for logging, they had longer truck permissions already for years, the V8 was developed for this.
Modern European cab over trucks are efficient, comfortable, safe and can compete with modern American trucks for sure. Since in the US there is no real need, importing and updating them to American rules makes them expensive.
The last Class 8 OEM to use the Cat 3408 was Peterbilt, in 1986. It was still offered (though rarely ordered) in certain motorcoach and large fire engine applications through 1995. Cat discontinued the 3408 in 2005, but still provides parts and service support for them. The later 3408E models would've been way too much engine for a typical OTR/Highway application.
Kenworth offered the 3408 through 1982 in the last A models, and the C500A "Brute" through 1985. The big V8 was also offered in the K100C through 1984. They did not offer the 3408 (or any 6V/8V92) in any B cab model from late '82 and up, nor any K100E model from late '84 up.
Scania’s in-line six engine is probably the best - or at least one of the best - engines on the market today.
In contrary to their V8 it’s the big seller.
Although the V8 will always have its fanbase that will keep buying them no matter the cost.
But when you’re smart you’ll stick with the 6iL.
Great power, low on fuel and everything you will ever need from a truck engine
I Drive a Scanica here in England. Absolutely Brilliant Trucks mine isn't the V8 but still Drives very very nice. Comfortable bunk, Turns on a penny. Love it. ❤
Small correction: V8's are not the main format for Scania. Actually, Scania has produced mostly i6... and V8 was for the flagship models.
Scania had their T-modell until 2005 but it wasn't selling so good so they decided to cancel the model. Scania is using the V8 just because in Sweden and Finland we have another regulation about weight limits. We can haul 25,25 meter long truckset at a max weight of 64tons. Now in construction sites and landfills area and in quarrys we use these trucks also and on the road where it's very much up and downhill, it's very usefull with the V8 when you hauling 64 tons and we also have the Volvo FH16 with the 16 liter inline 6 with 750bhp, and it's the same thing with volvo, only usefull with heavy trucksets.
Hey that was a handy little video man... I'm a truck driver and always wondered why other truck makers were giving up on the V8 configuration but Scania kept it up... I think Volvo also runs with a V8 but that's about it... I've noticed most American trucks run straight 6's but I think, depending on make and model you can option a V8...
I dont think volvo ever had a V8, Mercedes, Man and Iveco used to but not volvo
@@Dillon-em8sg Thank you my good man I stand corrected... I just researched the FH16 750 and discovered to my surprise it is indeed a straight 6... I assumed at that capacity and HP rating it would be a V8... That's a big 6 alright... I know off the cuff the Caterpillar 3408 is an 18 litre V8 and of course the Scanias with similar HP to the Volvos are V8's... learn a new thing everyday...😉👍
I am from Sweden and Scania is the best. You made a good video but the big 16 liter V8 770hp has 3700 newtonmeter and that is around 2700 ft-lb not 2200. Scania allso have inline six up to 560hp and 2800nm.
Here in the USA I'd have a cab over scania semi for farm use of course it would have a stretched frame and extra fuel tanks but I'd have it just to mess with people in the area and other farms, I'd be the odd ball farmer🤣
Ah cool is it a 112 I have a 143 going out to customer in NYC soon
@@petermckenna6093 I don't have one but if I had my dream farm id have a R series 6x4 and slightly stretched to make riding america roads easier
I have a customer looking the same but we have 2 build it as 164 because of the US import laws it's getting a longline cab 2
I've been to the Scania assembly plant in Zwolle a few times.
I've been told there that all trucks per generation have interchangable parts, that means all parts work on every single truck without problems.
For example: all models use the same grille, windows, wheels, doors, lights, seats and interior panels. You can take the rear doors from one of their COE firetrucks and the normal doors from the long nosed trucks and you'll see they are exactly the same between the two vastly different vehicles.
The representative also told me that they don't sell their trucks in North-America because they don't want relatively common private owners to fit 'cheaply made' standardized aftermarket mechanical parts to the trucks, making the trucks less reliable in comparison. Not sure how justified that reason is, though. It's just what I've been told.
"Why Does Scania Still Use a V8 Engine?"
Scania is now launching four new engine alternatives in the heaviest segment, with performance that, according to Scania, makes them manufacturers of perhaps the world's most powerful truck engine.
Scania's new series of a total of four new truck engines are all based on a 16.4 liter turbocharged V8 engine, with the designation DC16. The engine is available in five different variants - with 530, 590, 660 and 770 horsepower.
The strongest version - 770 - gives Scania's new truck engine 770 horsepower and a torque of 3700 newton meters, which according to Scania probably makes it the most powerful truck engine ever mass-produced.
that´s why
Absolutely super trucks , plenty of power , smooth too .. full of safety Tec & very relabel too
I think probably this is a sort of culture. Scania is V8. V8 is the soul of Scania. Not all Scania engines are V8, but if Scania stop making V8, it's no longer Scania.
Been working as a diesel mechanic for over 12 years now in New Zealand. There is a bit of everything for trucks here American, European and Japanese. Far as my opinion goes Scania and Volvo are the best gear you can get. Hino is cheap and cheerful. Anything American I have worked on looks cool, but are crap to drive even worse to work on!
Cool video.
Speeking of brands, dousent the SCANIA bage look familiar? SCANIA was a division of SAAB. At one point it was refered to as SAAB-SCANIA but they were split appart when SAAB was sold off to GM and SCANIA to VW.
What is the history with Mack, I do remember the 6 cylinder, saw a few in the R Model Mack , any similarities between Mack E9 and Scania V8 , thanks for video
Scania actually designed and made (for a while) the first Mack v8 engines.
We need this in the US now more than ever because of the efficiency.
Are these more efficient? I would think 6 cylinder engines would be more efficient, all else being equal…
Why?Most US engines are based on European engineering.Mack(Volvo).Peterbild,Kenworth (Paccar=Daf).Freightliner (Detroit diesel=Mercedes-Benz). Western Star(MAN)
@frans lol. Freight liner likes to use Cummins with Allison trans bro.
@@mann_idonotreadreplies Freightliner is a part of Daimler Trucks.Is using Detroit diesel engines which is same as the Mercedes engines.
dutch truckdriver here.
We use the cabover because of the comfort, the load restrictions/lenght restrictions.
because we really need to load as much as possible.
Scania is still in the US. Scania Sends trucks all over the world. EU trucks are one of the safest trucks.
They are not to compare to Us trucks because we want completly diffrent things.
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Scania is one of the most common brand in Brazil. Almost all the new trucks in here are cab over, even Volvo and Mercedes, two common brands in here, are on this configuration.
Some of your units are the size of some of our rigid trucks here in 🇬🇧, and I can’t get my head over that one 😂
Same here thinking about how small the truck are over there. It is weird to think of an entire truck being the only the size of the tractors here.
Ya nailed it. Its their heritage.
Volvo was more powerful till 2020 with the FH16 750hp. But they use 16L inline 6.
Matter of fact, less powerful Scanias have I5s like our old P320 truck. They have I6 in the 500ish hp area too.
What is the displacement on that I5? Ive never heard of many I5 being used in heavy trucks.
@@robwhite3241 9 liter. It is used for lighter applications tho. Up to 20- 25 tons
@@robwhite3241 MAN and Mercedes hat I5s too. They were all arround 8-9 liters, with 200 - 320 hp. According to the law, they met the minimum power requirement just bearly for 38 tons.
MAN also used parts from its I5 to create a V10, with 18 litres and 500-650 hp.
Yeah its a 9L from memory. Hopeless for its max combo weight. But god I love the old girl.
Our older Hinos 9tons were 5cyls too too
Can't compare an inline 6 to a V8. Hill climbing torque.
Scania 770 V8. The best truck I ever drove here in the U.K.
Im from denmark and im an big scania fan
You obviously no nothing about Sacnia. They still build inline 6 cylinders as well as V8s. They built conventional trucks and were here in the US untill they got screwed over buy EPA.back in 1987. Their V8 passed the compliance test while CAterpillar and Cummins and Navastar lobbied to push the tests forward untill 1997. They still market marine and stationary generator engines here. They had a fully sincronized automatic shifting transmission 30 years ago. They have alot of great fetures and their trucks are built strong. In the EU, they have a maximum leangth for trucks and trailers of 17.5 meters. THAT is why they use cabovers. And they have some of the most beautiful highways in the world. What trailer park do you come from boy?
I would love to hear how one those giant V8 engines sound.
Many european truck brands had V8's: MAN, Mercedes, Renault, Iveco and Steyr used them to. Iveco's V8 was 17.2L and sounds even better than Scania's V8's. MAN and Mercedes even used 18.2L V10's for many years.
love these vids bro!
You're giving away your youth! All of us car lovers remember pre-GM SAAB autos, including their famous 2-stroke rally cars.
there is also a restriction on length of truck and trailer in Europe
It`s worth pointing out that Scania also makes I6 engines, which are also vary popular, and are probably much more common than the V8 engines, with the sub 500ish horse engines being I6 engines, and anything above being V8s.
Here in the EU, SCANIA is has a massive following, and they have a brand image that is comparable to some of the most recogniseable and desireable car brands, which I guess is largely due to their power advantage over competitors here in the EU (the only real rival they have power wise is Volvo with their 750 horse FH16).
That being said, Scania is already a premium brand, and the V8 is the premium engine choice, so most of the average Scanias on the road are I6 engines, with the V8s being reserved for heavier haulage, or for companaies who want to show off, basicly (it`s more nuanced than that, but this is an oversimplified version of the basic idea)
Scania has always had Inline engines for lesser duty applications. Using a V8 config allows for a high degree of modularity and the ability to build larger displacement engines by simply adding cylinders, rather than developing an all new upscaled engine platform. Apart from the Block, Crankshaft and Camshafts most vital parts of the DC9/13/16 series are fully interchangeable.
Mercedes introduce the OM4xx series of engines right around the same time as the Original DS14, also a modular platform of V engines in 6,8,10 and 12 cylinder count, also highly successful and built for decades until the early 2010s, and still available for industrial and marine use I believe
mercedes uses v6 and v8 engines in there trucks, i have a inline 6 scania at my job (500hp) but i regulary drive v8 scanias (520hp) and its almost 100% the sound and the vibrations that makes it cool
For me a cabover is a conventional truck and a "snortle" as we call it here in EU is like very rare, mostly due to lenght limitations in some countries. If you exceed the limits you have to pay extra to register a overgabrait trucks and that is pricy as hell
Mercedes benz and MAN also offer v8 models. These however are mainly used for Exceptional transports. V8 scania is used everywhere becuase it is culture
Those Scania V8s sound very nice, too
they use both configurations in their trucks DC13 6 cylinders which limited in 490 hp and the DC16 V8 that can produce 530 hp, 590 hp, 660 hp or 770 hp outputs.
As a German truck driver I can tell there’s nothing comparable or better than a Scania V8. It’s the best of the best here in Europe, the truck with the most power gets the title „king of the road“ which is always switching between scania and Volvo. The V8 Engine is just smooth and powerful, especially the newest line with the new gearbox. It’s maintenance is very low as the engine has 16.4 liter and also because of the high quality standards, the V8 can drive 1mio miles through the mountains with ease. It’s not the right choice when you’re working on a building plant though, as it needs too much fuel in the dirt. On the road instead, it takes about as much as an inline 6, as you drive it with less rpm. It’s just a high quality truck of beauty and has the status of a true legend. I’d switch any truck for a Scania, especially the shitty Mercedes‘ I drive now.
…btw the sound of the scania V8 is just orgasmic😅✌🏻
Can you do a video on why Scania trucks have dual stacks and a grass burner pipe on the bottom, and why the grass burner seems to be the pipe that blows the smoke, and the stacks don't! This has been confusing me since I've been seeing it in these videos! Nobody can give me a good answer! It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen!
Because they are the best 👍🏻and also scania v8 is like a supercar in the truck world
we do have tcabs with the bonnets on the front with the current trucks people are converting them to have bonnets on um search for scania tcabs you will see what i mean
Random fact: Scania’s biggest competitor, Volvo only exists because Scania stopped making cars, and a guy who worked for SKF bearings decided to make Swedish cars, for Swedish people using a dead brand that was going to be the name of SKF, Volvo (I Roll in Latin).
Pity the Scania inline eight never introdused in states at 60 :s . Only 5 of them put in swedish trucks and about 20 in locomotives
Mercedes only introduced straight-6-engines when the Euro 6 emission standard became mandatory from 2014. Up to that they used V6 and V8 engines (and until the late 80s even V10, all of them with a rather long history from the early 70s) in all long haul trucks, only smaller ones for shorter distances or local delieveries had inline-engines. The V6 is even shorter than the V8 by the way, but with engine downsizing and the wide use of the same engine types in all sorts of vehicles Mercedes produces (city buses, coaches and trucks) it didn't make any sense to continue developing the big and heavy V engines, so instead they're now using newly developed inline-engines throughout their commercial vehicle program.
cab over engine trucks domination in EU is dictated by regulation on permissible horse/trailer length in order to optimize cargo volume..
How does the V8 compare in fuel mileage to the 6 cylinder?
Great use of historic video footage the first clip you showed still has Sweden driving on the left
Germans had some pretty awesome V-10s not sure if it’s still available
Scania V8 is more of image and brand. It's a good engine, but in if you want make money, 13l inline 6 is a mush better choice.
V8 have good "mileage", if you haul big loads. (Or you drive in hills)
I'm trucking with 76tn total weight, and I have R580. In last 5 years, there's been only few times when the engine was getting too small.
BTW. We do have bigger axle weights in here, than you have in US.
Great videos and i learn a lot!!
Was all cab over until the eighty's east coast homie
Because the number of valves doesn't really matter, it's the size of the piston chambers that really matters. You can make a 455 v2 if you want.
Here in New Zealand we have 650 plus h.p Scanias. D.i.n h.p is way higher rated than American, British s.a.e and B.s h.p.
5:06 the correct torque value is 2720 lb ft(3700nm)
Having the engine under the cab, you have more space as you are not constrained by the firewall behind the engine.
Wow!!! Thank goodness for the internet. I can't believe you have you never heard of Scania.
Number 1 reason for still making the v8 was that they can use many components from the 13l inline 6. Same cylinder heads, combustion chambers, injectors etc.
When you have made a new or upgraded 5/6cyl it goes faster and cost less to do the 16l more powerful engine.
With the new "Super"engine this advantage isn't valid anymore.
fun fact: to the rest of the world a "cab over" is a conventional truck and US trucks are just that: US trucks
Depends on what you mean with US trucks.
Just the style or the company origin
@@GrillerRohde well the only "hood-in-front" trucks ive ever seen in europe were volvos.
Hi I own a Scania r730 and drive it the Fule economy is good and nothing ever passes it top quality trucks and scania is now part of the be group which now owns Navstar
There is a new 6 cilnder engine coming to navstar from scania and Man so each this space