A lot of the B-roll shows the Spear-LT or the XM250. Bit misleading. Also, the M7 currently uses metal mags produced in-house by Sig. You can see them being used in _this_ very video. The XM7 used polymer mags (both Lancers and PMAGs) early on.
I was wondering the same thing. Heavier grain 556 with higher pressure propellant and higher pressure barrels. It would be cheaper and easier to implement into an existing ecosystem
If you love three mag set ups, this is the rifle for you!! Extra weight, less ammo. 140 rounds instead of 210. No more, "WHERE THEY AT?! DO YOU SEE THEM!?" Apparently we will know where the enemy is at all all times so we won't have to waste ammo suppressing entire areas like in the Afghanistan. What can go wrong?
We use semi auto and aim in the military. M16 started with 20rd mags as well. This round also isn’t anemic like 556 is. You also have scopes that tell you where to aim once you laze. No need to carry or have as much ammo. You have the new belt fed in the same caliber, as well as a 338 Norma that is lighter than a 240b. Plenty of firepower. If need be Magpul and Lancer make 25rd mags for Ar10s and this platform.
@@Darkknight441 … This does not read Very well as a “We in the Military” type POV It’s just childishly regurgitate’s a few details, make’s up stuff and pretend’s that justify’s the conclusion If it ain’t what it obviously is then it’s either now just Adulterated Stolen Valor Or one of those “soldiers” that actually believe’s in every Fudd Gun Myth Either way: Ukraine Veterans (who are actually Fighting and Dying by Their ammo Philosophy) outrank You And Vietnam vets And SOF operators And Decades of Objective Fact Ammo is ammo Slight Ballistic performance has never justified defanging every EVERY SINGLE Soldier using a carbine caliber gun Very wide reaching ramifications there Come down and don’t play Military on UA-cam It’s very obvious Also: 20 mags on the M16 were trash Got off of those way too late Everybody else like Israel picked up on that real quick What kinda Veteran are You supposed to be?
@@Darkknight441 Epic comment Censorship: … This does not read Very well as a “We in the Military” type POV It’s just Y regurgitate’s a few details, make’s up stuff and pretend’s that justify’s the conclusion If it ain’t what it obviously is then it’s either now just Adulterated Stolen Valor Or one of those “soldiers” that actually believe’s in every Fudd Gun Myth Either way: Ukraine Veterans (who are actually Fighting and Y by Their ammo Philosophy) outrank You And Vietnam vets And SOF operators And Decades of Objective Fact Ammo is ammo Slight Ballistic performance has never justified defanging every EVERY SINGLE Soldier using a carbine caliber gun Very wide reaching ramifications there Come down and don’t play Military on UA-cam It’s very obvious Also: 20 mags on the M16 were trash Got off of those way too late Everybody else like Israel picked up on that real quick What kinda Veteran are You supposed to be?
According to Copilot the average per unit cost for the XM7 rifle is an unbelievably low price of $190 over the life of the contract. On the other hand the fire control unit (1-8x optic) comes in at an astounding $10,000+ per unit over the life of the contract. That is insane.
So glad I got to serve with a real rifle. M16A1 & A2. You can keep those half rifles. Somehow the military always finds a way to take a weapon that was designed to do something to not to do it.
I’m still skeptical that this is really going to become the standard service rifle. The military may have needed more punch and range, especially against Russian and Chinese body armor, but at most, that means that they needed a new squad-level DMR, not a full replacement for the M4. And frankly, even then, I don’t see why they couldn’t have just bulk-purchased the SCAR-H (already a proven design that has served SOCOM well for 15+ years) and maybe added the new scope to it. I don’t see why we needed a new rifle and a new cartridge.
SCAR-H has been overhyped in video games to the point where every ignorant teenager thinks it's some mythic weapon of excellence; it's not. It *did not* "serve well;" there were a *ton* of issues to the point where you basically have to *rebuild* the whole rifle to get a semi-useful weapon, and then there are _still_ better options. The M7 is everthing the SCAR-H _wishes_ it could be. I don't see it replacing the M4, but it could make for a solid DMR. You only need a handful in a Platoon. The fear of a body armored adversary is largely baseless. I'm all for being prepared, but the only nations that reliably field body armor en-masse are our closest allies, and that's not likely to change in the near future. RUS and CHN can't even afford to equip their frontline troops; their economies are in the toilet. Rather than concerning ourselves with weapons, we should be focused on the quality of our _weapons systems_ , namely our troops, whose readiness and skill continue to diminish as we struggle to retain qualified personnel.
@@redslate I appreciate your pontificating response, but (1.) I’m not an ignorant teenager, and (2.) I don’t think SCAR-H is a mythical super weapon, but it is a design that has been used and improved for many years now, and there’s no telling what a Next Gen SCAR-H could have been. From a purely acquisition view, if the Army wanted a DMR, it made more sense to start with a mature design instead of requesting a new one. This is also a point that Jeff Gurwitch (retired SF-ODA) made on his channel when he took a critical look at the M7.
@BunyipDude The Army doesn't make sense. They didn't want a DMR; I'm saying, _that_ is what the M7 is suited for. If you want to see what the SCAR-H _can_ _be_ when improved, look at anybody that owns a SCAR-H; most have needed to upgrade them to make them practical, and it sets them back several thousand dollars to do so. The SCAR-H was a 'good idea fairy,' flawed design from the beginning. You were a teenager within the last 15 years.
I enjoyed the M16A1 and A2, the M4 was like a toy to me it not had the distance to hit the enemy. DOD should gad issue the M102 sniper rifle as a standard infantry weapon for everyone.
Heres a good tip for the powerful. Make your soldiers look more like rich people and the ordinary man will be less likely to care about your war industy.
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The US has needed a larger caliber rifle since 2000 and they REFUSED to swap....they also need to get rid of brass cases and go polymer to cut the weight of the ammo in half.
Polymer shells do not collect the heat like bass does. Storing heat in a rifle is bad and could lead to things such as a cook off. When the cartridge is ejected, some of the heat is ejected with it.
A lot of video and graphics with little objective information. No muzzle energy or bullet drop over distance comparisons of the three cartridges. Or performance against standard levels of body armor.
This is a bad idea. We ditched heavy, overpowered battle rifles as standard issue for a good reason. We definitely shouldn’t go back there, especially to a battle rifle with such a short barrel and a suppressor that’s not even that effective. The XM7 would make a good DMR, but what should really replace the M4 is the lighter MCX Spear LT, albeit chambered in the wildcat 6.8x39mm instead of 5.56.
I'm in a competitive shooting league... think 3-gun if you know what that is. A few people have gotten Spears and they ALL jam/break infinitely more than a cheat AR.
Every time the military has implemented a new wepon, vehicle, or aircraft the the service members and the public always bitch, complain, and say it's the dumbest idea the military has ever had. Every point you guys make is valid for sure but im just saying if the m7 didn't get this kind of initial reaction then I'd say it's for sure doomed
It won't replace a damn thing because of the cost it's the reason everything stagnates in the military it's why my unit in the Marines a dedicated comms unit still had radios as old as nam. It'll become a SOCOM only weapon and as unit needed weapon system.
I have a question. How does this new round compare to the M1 Garand 30.06 Armor Piercing round that was, according to credible sources, about 70 to 80 % of the rounds fired during WWII?
The rounds they will use in combat are hybrid rounds using two different materials in the casing allowing it to hit those high psi readings. Plus also saves weight on the rounds carried
Ah yes A couple gun designs that anybody with basic Common Sense, History and-or Infantry Doctrine Knowledge Will tell You doesn’t make any Practical sense whatsoever How utterly worthless
Look at what these guys are using. Body Armor, Suppressor and high end optics. When I served we still rode horses and lever actions at least that's what this young private told me, smart ass soldiers never change. Made me laugh. I hope he and his smart mouth are safe and may God watch over him.
It's too heavy to be an "assault rifle" whatever that means? Hang on a few more items to the end of the hand guard, it will be difficult for anyone to carry and swing it like an M4.
The m7 is a grift. DC is switching to a battle rifle while all of nato has finally come around to the stoner 5.56 with an improved bullet? Looks like some generals will get a cushy job at sig while the grunts suffer for a few years. In a few years the army will need a lighter more portable system and the next group will transfer more tax revenue to the military industry.
Not if the average soldier can't maximize its utility. It's front-heavy with a ton of recoil. The rifle itself is heavy, and its ammo is heavy. Your loadout is effectively cut in half, and you've got 2/3 the rounds on-hand at any given time. There's also logistics to consider.
![The M4 vs M7 Sig Spear NGSW [feat. GBRS Group]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZZ3bbUw3skw/mqdefault.jpg)
An added feature is how the flash suppressor functions as a short-range flame thrower, after lengthy firing sessions!
The m4 era will never end. The weapon has so much going for it that other models don't.
A lot of the B-roll shows the Spear-LT or the XM250. Bit misleading.
Also, the M7 currently uses metal mags produced in-house by Sig. You can see them being used in _this_ very video. The XM7 used polymer mags (both Lancers and PMAGs) early on.
Gotta get those phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range
Hey it's only what you see buddy
And we close early today 😂
You know your wepons buddy
Is it not possible to modify the 5.56 to increase the pressure? If it is possible, why not do that instead?
I was wondering the same thing. Heavier grain 556 with higher pressure propellant and higher pressure barrels. It would be cheaper and easier to implement into an existing ecosystem
If you love three mag set ups, this is the rifle for you!! Extra weight, less ammo. 140 rounds instead of 210. No more, "WHERE THEY AT?! DO YOU SEE THEM!?" Apparently we will know where the enemy is at all all times so we won't have to waste ammo suppressing entire areas like in the Afghanistan. What can go wrong?
I know right
“This can’t possibly fail!”
And then it fail’s
"Sounds like a great idea! With the best of intensions. What can possibly go wrong?" Type scenario.
We use semi auto and aim in the military. M16 started with 20rd mags as well. This round also isn’t anemic like 556 is. You also have scopes that tell you where to aim once you laze. No need to carry or have as much ammo. You have the new belt fed in the same caliber, as well as a 338 Norma that is lighter than a 240b. Plenty of firepower. If need be Magpul and Lancer make 25rd mags for Ar10s and this platform.
@@Darkknight441 …
This does not read Very well as a “We in the Military” type POV
It’s just childishly regurgitate’s a few details, make’s up stuff and pretend’s that justify’s the conclusion
If it ain’t what it obviously is then it’s either now just Adulterated Stolen Valor
Or one of those “soldiers” that actually believe’s in every Fudd Gun Myth
Either way:
Ukraine Veterans (who are actually Fighting and Dying by Their ammo Philosophy) outrank You
And Vietnam vets
And SOF operators
And Decades of Objective Fact
Ammo is ammo
Slight Ballistic performance has never justified defanging every EVERY SINGLE Soldier using a carbine caliber gun
Very wide reaching ramifications there
Come down and don’t play Military on UA-cam
It’s very obvious
Also: 20 mags on the M16 were trash
Got off of those way too late
Everybody else like Israel picked up on that real quick
What kinda Veteran are You supposed to be?
@@Darkknight441 Epic comment Censorship:
…
This does not read Very well as a “We in the Military” type POV
It’s just Y regurgitate’s a few details, make’s up stuff and pretend’s that justify’s the conclusion
If it ain’t what it obviously is then it’s either now just Adulterated Stolen Valor
Or one of those “soldiers” that actually believe’s in every Fudd Gun Myth
Either way:
Ukraine Veterans (who are actually Fighting and Y by Their ammo Philosophy) outrank You
And Vietnam vets
And SOF operators
And Decades of Objective Fact
Ammo is ammo
Slight Ballistic performance has never justified defanging every EVERY SINGLE Soldier using a carbine caliber gun
Very wide reaching ramifications there
Come down and don’t play Military on UA-cam
It’s very obvious
Also: 20 mags on the M16 were trash
Got off of those way too late
Everybody else like Israel picked up on that real quick
What kinda Veteran are You supposed to be?
30.06 round with 9mm & .223/5.56 side pieces
According to Copilot the average per unit cost for the XM7 rifle is an unbelievably low price of $190 over the life of the contract. On the other hand the fire control unit (1-8x optic) comes in at an astounding $10,000+ per unit over the life of the contract. That is insane.
So glad I got to serve with a real rifle. M16A1 & A2. You can keep those half rifles. Somehow the military always finds a way to take a weapon that was designed to do something to not to do it.
Less ammunition and more weight that's a great idea.
Only 20 rounds in the standard box magazine for this weapon?? Nah, I'm good.
I’m still skeptical that this is really going to become the standard service rifle. The military may have needed more punch and range, especially against Russian and Chinese body armor, but at most, that means that they needed a new squad-level DMR, not a full replacement for the M4. And frankly, even then, I don’t see why they couldn’t have just bulk-purchased the SCAR-H (already a proven design that has served SOCOM well for 15+ years) and maybe added the new scope to it. I don’t see why we needed a new rifle and a new cartridge.
dip in water and sand plus mud and see if it can still fire
SCAR-H has been overhyped in video games to the point where every ignorant teenager thinks it's some mythic weapon of excellence; it's not. It *did not* "serve well;" there were a *ton* of issues to the point where you basically have to *rebuild* the whole rifle to get a semi-useful weapon, and then there are _still_ better options.
The M7 is everthing the SCAR-H _wishes_ it could be. I don't see it replacing the M4, but it could make for a solid DMR. You only need a handful in a Platoon.
The fear of a body armored adversary is largely baseless. I'm all for being prepared, but the only nations that reliably field body armor en-masse are our closest allies, and that's not likely to change in the near future. RUS and CHN can't even afford to equip their frontline troops; their economies are in the toilet.
Rather than concerning ourselves with weapons, we should be focused on the quality of our _weapons systems_ , namely our troops, whose readiness and skill continue to diminish as we struggle to retain qualified personnel.
@@redslate I appreciate your pontificating response, but (1.) I’m not an ignorant teenager, and (2.) I don’t think SCAR-H is a mythical super weapon, but it is a design that has been used and improved for many years now, and there’s no telling what a Next Gen SCAR-H could have been. From a purely acquisition view, if the Army wanted a DMR, it made more sense to start with a mature design instead of requesting a new one. This is also a point that Jeff Gurwitch (retired SF-ODA) made on his channel when he took a critical look at the M7.
@BunyipDude The Army doesn't make sense. They didn't want a DMR; I'm saying, _that_ is what the M7 is suited for.
If you want to see what the SCAR-H _can_ _be_ when improved, look at anybody that owns a SCAR-H; most have needed to upgrade them to make them practical, and it sets them back several thousand dollars to do so. The SCAR-H was a 'good idea fairy,' flawed design from the beginning.
You were a teenager within the last 15 years.
@@redslate Actually, 15 years ago, I was 24. And yes, I know people who own SCARs.
Thank you for this awesome video!
Our pleasure!
I enjoyed the M16A1 and A2, the M4 was like a toy to me it not had the distance to hit the enemy. DOD should gad issue the M102 sniper rifle as a standard infantry weapon for everyone.
5:40 no, that fire selector switch doesn't turn that way
I had to watch this twice. Thank you greatly!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Heres a good tip for the powerful. Make your soldiers look more like rich people and the ordinary man will be less likely to care about your war industy.
It will be better you make a video on CZ Bren 3 Rifle
Hi , just came across your video ,can’t believe it took so long , gun , ammo n suppressors, n 2A issues mostly , well I liked n subscribed thanks 💥💥🔫from Commy Ct.🇺🇸 waiting to enjoy your content !! Really enjoyed this video !!! 💣💣💣
The US has needed a larger caliber rifle since 2000 and they REFUSED to swap....they also need to get rid of brass cases and go polymer to cut the weight of the ammo in half.
Polymer shells do not collect the heat like bass does. Storing heat in a rifle is bad and could lead to things such as a cook off. When the cartridge is ejected, some of the heat is ejected with it.
They created hot water and nothing else! 6.8x51 is a new 8 mm. Mauser and why did they not use that old cartridge?
Just how many times has the M4 been replaced? yet It wasn’t..
A lot of video and graphics with little objective information. No muzzle energy or bullet drop over distance comparisons of the three cartridges. Or performance against standard levels of body armor.
This is a bad idea. We ditched heavy, overpowered battle rifles as standard issue for a good reason. We definitely shouldn’t go back there, especially to a battle rifle with such a short barrel and a suppressor that’s not even that effective. The XM7 would make a good DMR, but what should really replace the M4 is the lighter MCX Spear LT, albeit chambered in the wildcat 6.8x39mm instead of 5.56.
The m7 is a good weapons system. But it’s stupid to adopt it.
M4 is too cost effective to go away.
I'm in a competitive shooting league... think 3-gun if you know what that is. A few people have gotten Spears and they ALL jam/break infinitely more than a cheat AR.
Every time the military has implemented a new wepon, vehicle, or aircraft the the service members and the public always bitch, complain, and say it's the dumbest idea the military has ever had. Every point you guys make is valid for sure but im just saying if the m7 didn't get this kind of initial reaction then I'd say it's for sure doomed
WOW A FLASH SUPPRESSOR
Why does it sound like Vinnie Jones narrated this?
It won't replace a damn thing because of the cost it's the reason everything stagnates in the military it's why my unit in the Marines a dedicated comms unit still had radios as old as nam. It'll become a SOCOM only weapon and as unit needed weapon system.
I have a question. How does this new round compare to the M1 Garand 30.06 Armor Piercing round that was, according to credible sources, about 70 to 80 % of the rounds fired during WWII?
Don't forget to store and maintain those m4's someplace safe. We could find ourselves in the jungle again.
This is an army infantry only rifle. The infantry makes up less than 20% of the U.S. army. Everyone else gets the M4.
The rounds they will use in combat are hybrid rounds using two different materials in the casing allowing it to hit those high psi readings. Plus also saves weight on the rounds carried
Brass and stainless steel save weight?
This could almost be a Ford commercial. LOL
Ah yes
A couple gun designs that anybody with basic Common Sense, History and-or Infantry Doctrine Knowledge Will tell You doesn’t make any Practical sense whatsoever
How utterly worthless
Sig Sawyer
@@WilliamSanderson86 he pronounced it sawyer in the video
@WilliamSanderson86 in American English everyone says Sig Sowwer
@WilliamSanderson86 I'm exaggerating pronunciation. Most people simple use the word "sour" like sour patch kids when saying sig sauer
not pretty as M4
I don't like it. I can't fix a bayonet on it. How can it be called a "spear" when you can't stick the straight silver on the buisness end?
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Great - now ALL of the world's rifles will look like ARs. Hard pass on that one.
Epic comment Censorship
Look at what these guys are using. Body Armor, Suppressor and high end optics. When I served we still rode horses and lever actions at least that's what this young private told me, smart ass soldiers never change. Made me laugh. I hope he and his smart mouth are safe and may God watch over him.
dip in water and sand plus mud and see if it can still fire
It can, it has been tested
This weapons program is a train wreck.
Once you said "The rifle, once a simple instrument of survival" I knew this channel is just complete BS
Even if it replaced the m4 it still won't be a battle rifle. It's an assault rifle just like the m4.
It literally is a battle rifle, as the 6.8x51 is almost exactly the same as 7.62x51
It's too heavy to be an "assault rifle" whatever that means? Hang on a few more items to the end of the hand guard, it will be difficult for anyone to carry and swing it like an M4.
The m7 is a grift. DC is switching to a battle rifle while all of nato has finally come around to the stoner 5.56 with an improved bullet? Looks like some generals will get a cushy job at sig while the grunts suffer for a few years. In a few years the army will need a lighter more portable system and the next group will transfer more tax revenue to the military industry.
This is an army infantry only weapon. More than 80% of the army will be issued a M4.
They will cancel it citing costs.
It seems a good rifle too bad the dumb marine Corp didn't choose this rifle
Socom is not infantry what us good for socom is not good for army infantry
SOCOM wants nothing to do with this abortion
The return of the battle rifle.It’s wise to maintain overmatch for potential conflicts 🇺🇸
Great video thanks
dip in water and sand plus mud and see if it can still fire
Not if the average soldier can't maximize its utility. It's front-heavy with a ton of recoil. The rifle itself is heavy, and its ammo is heavy. Your loadout is effectively cut in half, and you've got 2/3 the rounds on-hand at any given time.
There's also logistics to consider.
@@David-x2c8l My M-14 would, anytime, all day, anywhere.
I only hate it cause I’m in the guard and my unit will never get it 🫤