Terror Lekota on Zuma and MK Party, Robben Island, Cyril Ramaphosa allegations, COPE, ANC
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- In today’s episode, we are joined by COPE President, Mosiuoa 'Terror' Lekota, who unpacks his time on Robben Island, his days as a student leader under Apartheid, being allegedly sold out by President Ramaphosa and so much more!
📚 Today’s Episode Features:
1. Apartheid - Robben Island, Trial
2. ANC
3. Cyril Ramaphosa
4. COPE
💡 Special Guest - Mosiuoa Lekota: South African Anti-Apartheid activist, Former Minister of Defence (1998 - 2008), Former Free State Premier, Former ANC NEC, NWC member & National Chairperson (Top 6), President of the Congress of the People (COPE)
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About me: Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh is an author, scholar and founder of the Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh Xperience (SMWX), a digital, youth-centred current affairs platform. He holds a DPhil in International Relations from the University of Oxford and is a Lecturer in International Relations at Wits.
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This legend needs to rest now. He's given so much of his life to us. We're forever grateful, Mr. Lekota. 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Terror Lekota opposes the return of land from European Colonists to dispossessed natives of South Africa while he own many farms and shares in major mining and industries. He was Minister of Defence during the Mandela/Mbeki Arms Deal. Yet, he was never charged with corruption. An innocous provincial MEC for Tourism at the time is associated with the Arms Deal corruption of the National Government. All because he became popular after the Broederbond successfully neutralised Winnie Mandela.
This stupid
Mr Lekota thank you 4 UR strength and dedication 2 fighting 4 the 🇿🇦South Africa 30yrs democracy free from Apartheid❤️
Lekota's views on the land issue do not resonate with his "dedication to the struggle". With Ramaphosa, I suspect political jeolousy.
Unfortunately destroyed by the government, insulting those who fought for that freedom.
The current government has duty to fix what was messed up, so the ANC is still the organization of the people, generally.
@@thokozanimthalane the very same members of the ANC messed it up through lies, corruption and all evil deeds therefore it must be voted out by sober,trustworthy and reliable people
Brilliant interviewing skills: exercising superior self restraint while patiently listening to your guest!
Great job 👏🏾👏🏾
I like how Sizwe listens and engages with Mr Lekota. The level of respect is so beautiful. ❤ I'd like to hear him with Reverend Keneth Meshoe. I think it will be nice.
I wanted to request the same!
I saw you in the public gallery at Concourt on Friday, Sizwe. I was impressed because you want to gather information on your own❤✊🏿
I was very happy to see Sizwe there.
Also.
He wants to grow.
LIKE FATHER LIKE SON😂😂🎉😂
Sizwe is an intellectual, and you shall continue doing good in life brother.
Ramaphosa has always been a sellout😡😡😡😡
Wanya
Wanya
That is very rich. From what I can hear, Lekota is digging very deep for this accusation.
If is easy to call your enemy a sellout. Even Nelson Mandela who spent 27 years in prison is being labelled as the sellout.
That’s why he’s still selling out right now
RESPECT goes to you Mr Lekota and all former true and honest struggle stalwarts known and not known.
When COPE started ,I gave them my offices in Sandton , they stayed there through the elections and a bit thereafter . My interest wasn't supporting them , it was supporting democracy. Mr Lekota thanked me , his partner Mbaziina ,at the time never did, although his wife did . I have great respect for Mr Lekota
Lekota l admire you imput about our democracy ,but one l don't understand what you are saying now is unlikely you said when you left porples party so called ANC you said you will serve under presidency who leads by Zuma who you regarded as your enemy but you speak like him when you guys fail to respect what the rules are saying l mean the rule of your own revolutionary borganisation that what you confuse me totaly that my take and full stop.
Lol naba beziveza ongxiwankulu
Great episode 👏 again Dr. Sizwe. I respect 🙏 anyone who stood up against apartheid, like ntate Lekota. Where COPE loose is what ntate Lekota has written on his t-shirt 👕 "defending the constitution" though I understand where they are coming from, and our constitution is great in many ways, it must be amended also in many areas.
The only people that want the Constitution amended, are those who have a racist agenda. It is not surprising that it is recognised as arguably the best Constitution in the modern world by many from all over the world.
BTW by racist, I mean racist, irrespective of the person being white, black, brown or any other 'colour'.
I am immensely grateful for the perspective shared by Comrade Lekota. I'm, indeed, very proud of him and others who genuinely fought for racial equality in South Africa.
Appologies Mr Lekota you are a great man. You have my vote
Sizwe you are so graceful, recognizing age is a diversity to be respected. If only Mr Lekota could have had an understudy to mentor into his large boots of history and experience.
lekota is my man,and he must not go any where,he must continue to be a president of cope
I always liked Mr Lekota, we need people of his stature again.
I have to tell you, when Mr Lekota came to find me in my own building , I felt so inadequate in his presence. He then made me so comfortable , I will never forget that . What a great man ,I felt so privileged to be in his company, God bless Him.
What made you feel inadequate?? Do you suffer from low self esteem?
@@MrLechesa😂😂😂😂😂
Being this great man's grandchild must be amazing the way he narrates history is amazing, imagine hearing this stories when you visit mkhulu😢
Ntate Lekota's statement on Ramaphosa having sold them out is consistent with what he said in the Parliament about 5 years ago.
5 years ago was veeeeery late, he knew as early as in the 70s more than 50 years ago that Ramaphosa sold out,actually went to jail knowing very well that Ramram sold him out.. then came back from jail said nothing about that,he went on in 1991 to elect Ramaphosa as the SG of ANC and worked with him throughout the years until 2007 when Polokwane conference came and elected Zuma as ANC President and hell broke loose,only then Lekota realized hei😮Ramaphosa sold me out in the 70s and now everyone has to believe him
I for one i might believe that but i also believe the masters of selling out this nation was the likes of Lekota and Zuma, how did they allow themselves to work with a sellout all the years, they should have resigned from the ANC as early as 1991.
What one can do you don't want to be assissinated like Hani which till date knows who sold him out like at workplace you always suckup decision whether you like I quote advocate skhakhane nobody wants his double story house to be taken away cars etc
@@obedmashegoane839why did they expelled Holomisa to ANC
@@siyabongamanikivana9170 that would mean they were cowards and not selfless as they always claimed,
I thought they were in the struggle for the people not for themselves
Real Revolutionaries were always prepared to die for the principle of liberating this nation and pay the ultimate price if necessary like boSolomon Mahlangu
Wanya
Ntate Lekota has matured like fine wine. He is sharp and informative, but age has taken its toll.
Thank you for bringing Lekota , may God bless him 🙏🏿🙏🏿
A great South African.What a legend…
We Thank Ntate Lekota for his service to the freedom we have today but as for voting for him and his party hai as a young person I don’t see any push for me to even consider them.
It was a nice trip down memory lane and confirming vele that Cyril is stooge of note!
TL good honest man with strong morals, he stands tall and has let many use his shoulders to reach their goals, thank you terror,youve made the game better for all.
Wonderful interview I must say. Rre Mosiuoa Lekota has a wealth of knowledge.....he needed more time. Unfortunately the volume was a bit too low.
Best episode so far! I enjoyed watching ur show. I am from the United States and am not even from South Africa but your show have teach me how politics work in South Africa.
Ntate Lekota I like the way you respect the constitution of the country. Honestly you are the only politician who was adamant that we are making a huge mistake by electing JZ as President of the country. I salute you for being true to your words.
You respecting him for taking a sellout position! These guys are protecting what they have gained. They have farms and millions of rand through Black Empowerment Policy!
Terror Lekota is possibly the only ANC politician that could have led SA out of the mess we find ourselves in. He is a humble peace loving man. Pity the ANC did not agree with his views.
"Peace-loving",yep you sound white
Cyril Marikana Ramaphosa is a sell out period.
😮
People were blaming him for suggesting that president Mbeki should have a safe presidential plane. I personally think that he was right on that to make sure that the then president was safe and could also be able to relax and do the presidential duties while flying. He should be commended for that.He also correct in his take to accommodating every South Africans in South Africa.To see it important to exit ANC was bravery and necessary for him. Its good to see you so well and fit. May God be with you further into the promising future. Get well Mr Lekota. There was no 9 wasted years even if Zuma was ever been put in court and resistance against him but there is a lot that he managed to do.Trains,univerities, schools, courts, taking care of elderly people,they were getting paid on time, he managed and curbed criminal activities. U'll remember the barret policing forces that were really active.
Zuma did nothing!!!
If ever there was something done during his presidency must be credited to the government he led and not him
Otherwise he can be credited for being manipulated by three young Indian boys(Guptas) who advised him who appoint in his cabinet and letting them lend their private jet at a national key point Waterkloof,those were some of his personal archivements.
Private jet it was not him
This was Beautiful episode. History is beautiful. Can we dedicate post elections content to documenting history. Thank you Dr Sizwe for always handling your guest's stories with dignity and honor
Well said
When he apologized and explained that he survived two strokes hence the memory issues 🥺
Yet he still remembers dates, places and the detail much better than I could.
😢😢
"Our people, who is our people"😂😂😂
"The National Democratic Revolution answers that question. Africans in general and blacks in particular." 😂😂😂
Blacks. Its you and me.What more do you want.
We are god people not even pastor's says OUR PEOPLE but this politicians 😂
All human beings, regardless of race
Big up to you Mr Mpofu for having so much patience.
ayeye! MK is here now.,..rest in peace COPE
Ukhulile ubaba. Kod siyabonga mkhulu. Well said and done, so sorry about your memory. The struggle is not over yet but just got borned
00:01 Terror Lekota's experience on Robben Island and involvement in student organization.
03:05 Formation of the Black People's Convention
09:49 Terror Lekota made allegations against President Cyril Ramaphosa
12:41 President Ramaphosa's involvement in student organizations and detainment.
18:15 Cyril Ramaphosa's statement and allegations during the struggle.
20:47 Debates on non-racial vs. Africa for Africans approach at Robben Island
26:07 Standing in solidarity and refusing to testify against each other.
28:43 Terror Lekota emphasizes non-racialism over racism
33:33 Lekota expresses concerns about the leadership of the organization
36:34 The significance of the Congress of the People emblem
41:53 Terror Lekota discusses internal divisions and factional fights within COPE
44:18 Terror Lekota discusses calling a Congress to elect a successor and dismiss party members.
49:12 Terror Lekota remains opposed to ANC's actions.
This is high quality through and through, picture, sound and the conversations. It shows that the host is a phd graduate 😂
Dr Sizwe Mpofu Walsh unenhlonipho futhi nentobeko, Siyabonga Mnumzane loko kwenza ulaleleke mfowethu
Don't underestimate the enormous sacrifices Mr Lekota made during the era of struggle. I have much respect and gratitude!
Don't judge him based on his recent years only, where he has become a bit odd in his public stance (such as aligning with neo-apartheid Afrikaners Forum).
Learning about his stroke (and other health challenges) it might explain and excuse some of his more odd behaviours in recent years.
I hope Mr Lekota finds the strength to retire and enjoy his old age (I know it can be difficult to leave active politics, if you were politically active all of your life).
This is so kind❤
what is the "neo apartheid afrikaners forum?" i am surprised to not have heard of such a thing, wouldn't it be in the news?
@@lm_b5080 It's more commonly known as "Afriforum". I'm sure you have heard of this neo-apartheid, anti-constitutional hate group?
Thanks Sizwe for your continued effort of bringing issues of our national history and interest to the fore. Indeed your podcast is enlightening the public and it has not disappointed in carrying out that mission.
This interview with Mr Lekota is a very important reminder that the politics we have grown accustomed to that is characterized by selfishness and greed at the expense of the plight of the needy has not always been the attitude and motivating factor for our political forebears who were and remain stalwarts of note.
I hope that the young people who are involved in politics will learn and take their queues from people like Mr Lekota who viewed their involvement as a calling to serve by helping to improve the lives of others and do everything possible to see that objective met.
Today we have many career politicians who are in it only for the politics of the stomach. Unfortunately the young people have climbed on the gravey train for quick self-enrichment opportunities at the detriment of the suffering communities.
It is sad that we are pointing to a generation of men and women who stood the course and sacrificed greatly only for the younger crop of political leaders to mess it up.
Today it is difficult to find young political leaders of the attitude and caliber of the Mandelas, the Sisulus, the Kathradas, the Fischers, and the Lekotas in our political landscape who are selfless in their pursuit of politics. They seem not to care about the plight of the needy. They prefer to quote leaders like Thomas Ssnkara but lead opposite lives styles than his, Fidel Castro and lead lives that are different in all respects to his. Who is fooling who?
It is said that you can take a horse to the water but cannot force if to drink. Mr Lekota and his generation and those who came before them laid a foundation and paved a way for generations of political leaders after them to follow and if young political leaders fail in following their examples then it can only mean that the young political leaders have decided to do their own thing.
Continue to do the best you are doing to enlighten us Sizwe and if we do not change then it will be our choice not to.
Beautiful conversation ❤❤.
The young Dr Sizwe is a honest youngmen very intelligent I like to listen his podcast
Thank you Sizwe, your content is very important for the youth of South Africa.
Jabulani Khumalo of Mbeki feels resonated by Phalaphala 9 wasted years. No president development SA more than Zuma. Mandela focused on quotable quotes. Mbeki administrator Ramaphosa came to destroy anc
Good reason for your survival Terra, God wanted you to tell us this story🙏 God is good All the time.
Sizwe, the audio is missing on the right channel, if you listen on headphones.
The patience is amazing. I quite enjoyed this interview. Can we please bring ACDP's Keneth Meshoe to the show, please!! 🙏🏾
Respected sir
My late father who was a police officer during your incarceration at Soweto, never stopped talking about his experiences with you when he was an orderly, be always said you were resolute in the belief that you will govern this country
We are here waiting, lets go❤
Thanks to young people with their podcasts we now listen to stories from true owners of the stories, instead of narratives driven by white monopoly capital media
Cope and the ACDP should have merged, they could have made a difference
Mr Lekota is to me one of the few true liberation leaders who were and are still patriots...to illustrate my point I do not recall him having been implicated in any corrupt activity while he was in the ANC...when he was the Minister of Defence he would not hesitate to dismiss even a very high ranking official who is found to have committed a crime in order to be promoted to the position he or she did not qualified for irrespective of whether the culprit was a comrade or not and...those were and are still clear characteristics of a formidable leader...I understood his anger when he resigned from the ANC after Former President Thabo Mbeki was unceremoniously recalled as the State President...Cope was a promising opposition leader but unfortunately he was let down by those members who were not patriotic leaders but leaders interested in their personal interests hence it was easy for some of them to be influenced by the ANC to leave Cope and rejoin the ANC...
such a shame and I voted for them twice, this time, undecided, seems like a wasted vote :(
Sometimes great leaders don't know when to stop.
Sir, I suggest you buy a small farm next to a local church and move there with your family and create new and beautiful memories.
Your service to the struggle of our country will never be forgotten.
Been waiting for this interview 😁
Thank you for sharing with us the the history of our country ❤❤❤
No matter how good a dancer you are, you must leave the stage. It is important to know when to step back or move on.
Akaphume ekubuseni izwe akakwazi u president wami , wazimali aythola ngokudayisa bantu, abantu bebala elimhlophe babeshonaphi (Lisban nezimpondo zobhejane? ) mengabuzwa kahle mhlampe angachaza kodwa hayi manje , akekuqokelelwe kahle ulwazi ayobuzwa ngalo ngeskhathi esizayo
Thanks again for an informative discussion - It is such a pity that for so long many of us have had zero exposure to the thoughts , principles and motives of quality citizens such as Mr Lekota. These long format discussions help to craft considered opinions so that we align to team South Africa rather than taking polarised sides that breaks rather than builds. Winning is a better outcome for ALL
I admire you for your courage Mr Lekota for exposing Ramaphosa’s traitorship in parliament. That was the first step towards the right direction to liberate SA because everyone saw him as a saint. Uyinkunzi! Viva MK! Viva Mhlanganyelwa!
So he campaigned for a sellout to be SG in 91?
Sizwe - continue to invite leaders from a diversity of political thought and persuasion as we move towards the elections. You are breathing new life into our democracy by engaging so respectfully with leaders. Would be great to hear more from the Black Consciousness Movement/Parties/leaders. We need a factual sense of how paths have diverged over the 30 years so we understand them and we can make informed choices and move forward. The elections will be only one measure of our democracy, knowledge our history is another. Thank you!
I fear the day when your generation would be no more, great mind ,a gentleman, I'm forever grateful for your sacrifices sir,❤❤
Dr Sizwe, thank u, awesum interview AGAIN❤️
long awaited 💚
Sizwe u have loads of patience, just going hm hm while this old guy tries to squeeze his brain for memory.
Thank you Dr Sizwe for this interview. Ayeye...Salute
Wouldnt old SAPS records be digitally saved? This is a big "statement" Mr Lekota has dropped👀😳
They would never allow anyone to have them since they use history to mislead as some part of it is distorted
I hope these details of history get written in books before these leaders of the African struggle exit this life. The younger generation will need to know where they come from, and what better way than to have the stories told by those who were there
Thanks for the interview. Please please invite Reverend Keneth Meshoe to the show!
A true leaded
These were true fighters, NOT the other one called Cyril.
Yhooo 😮😮😮😮😮😮
South Africans, there is no perfect leader but the Zuma you shoot down was your best and will be your best. Minus the lies of theft on him he took blacks forward.
How did he "take Blacks forward" when the economy went downhill and unemployment + crime increased?
Which blacks are you talking about? The Guptas, Brian Molefe and the likes? The masses of unemployed blacks from the time he was the president will be angry with you.
Please explain how Zuma was the best when his own comrades called his presidency 9 wasted years?
They say he made more black millionaires but where are those businesses now? You cannot run a business on political connections, when your connection leaves, your fake business fails.
Please Mr you are a crook like all ANC cadres 😅 13:00
he took himself, tenderpreneurs + his family forward, he made black people poorer
Could you please ask your technical team to fix the sound on this one? It’s only coming out on the left side
One of your excellent interviews. Keep up the great job Sizwe. We are very much of proud of you mntan'am ❤
Thank you so much!
Last kick of the dying horse
Even during Codesa... Ramadollar excelled in Selling out
Prostatr cancer, two strokes, and a heart attack. Please retire now. You don't have to be crisscrossing the country for politics. Your grandchildren need you. They need to hear your stories, otherwise your legacy will be lived by others
Thank you for a interesting and enlightening discussion. I am shocked that Comrades were locked up for what I see as peace making intentions. I see this as a really dumb move on there behalf. Lekota I admire your tenacity and the way you stick to your principles.
Who would you believe Mosiuoa Lakota or Cyril Ramaphosa? After listening to this man I know who I would believe.
I believe what he's not saying and will never say it.....
How did he allow himself to work with the "sellout" all the years because he knew not 5 years ago but 50 years that Ramram sold him out,that alone makes him the master sellout himself Terror Lekota and Jacob Zuma
Tera Lokota 👏
Mr lekota siyabonga but Ramaphosa must lead now we love you come back home ANC
Sinzwe, thank you for being an absolute gentleman to the comrade! But we were expecting knives, where are the knives that comrade alluded to during the parliamentary session? People power vs old faithful? Aloota Continua!
Ntate Lekota has served his purpose. All he needs to do now is to go and enjoy his retirement with his family. Active politics isn't for him any longer.
I don't like it , when people like you , tell others to retire, ... Elders in Africa don't retire.... retire from what ??purpose... There's always work to do in life... People are retired by death only....
@@senzomemela1311The government itself retires people all the time. The concept of retirement comes from the government (which he is part of) and is proudly upheld by them when it comes to the rest of us.
@@outclasstours1342 politics is not employment, ...you are there to represent the people,..who are the true government...Politics is about work not employment...
@@senzomemela1311 That is just wordplay, semantics. The truth is different. It's what they want us to believe. Healthcare and teaching professions are also a calling, supposedly.
@@outclasstours1342 not really,..work is about purpose...job is about a salary...
There are no nine wasted years... that's why Msholozi is still popular
Amazing Interview, our eyes open daily - SideNote: Sound guy needs to check for future productions, the Stereo Audio is LEFT only but overall the PRODUCTION 10/10
Noted. Thank you! 👊🏼
CR daddy was the Po Po 👮🏽 😂 oookkeeeeyyyy 😂😌😌
Ntate Lekota is an elder and should retire. There's no way he's being a president. He losses his chain of thought and forget questions. 75 years old is chaye.
Ramasofa has always been a sellout
Mr Lekota is evidently tired 😩 his voice says it all
All of them including Zuma
The ANC betrayed us
Just imagine if this man was President , our country would have thrived
I still not understand what people love about ramaphosa,what is it has he done for South Africa?becouz for me nothing I can show even now
What a wasted opportunity, there were so many informed follow up questions that should’ve been asked!
who is our People?
People must not subscribe to a party doesn't recognizes them. I take everyone back on the day of negotiations..given a chance to say what ever you need to achieve for your people ..
Dear Lekota, you once told us the South African land doesn’t belong to South Africans black. I have enough evidence to prove you wrong
Knowing what time it is in life matters a lot, u are are a great hero Mr Lekota but its time to step down now and reflect the journey u have traveled . Who sold who at that time after 30 yrs of freedom is not a good idea at this point in time.
My favorite ubaba, the legendary leader, now has to retire and enjoy old age.
Ntate Terror needs to rest...he has suffered a lot
He must just retire in politics n give chance to fresh people to continue with COPE
He was a good christian boy...chips were down...Rampies uitverkoper!! 😂😂
The Comrade who hit Lekota at the head was Comrade Muntu Myeza, he unfortunately died in a car accident just outside of Bloemfontein in 1990. Muntu Myeza felt that Lekota has sold out by joining the A&C in Robben island.