Just a heads up, we're not doing the Google/Apple/Android/iOS sucks nonsense. Leave the tribal bs elsewhere. Talk like a grown up or I'll just ban you and move on.
I have something in mind: - Microsoft has serivces, and desktop customers, but abandoned mobile. - Google has services and mobile customers, but is not taking Chromebooks seriously. - Apple has both desktop and mobile customers, but falls behind in services and data gathered to have the best AI, and that's why they are making use of other AIs. It's gonna be interesting.
I hope that Google really brings it this year. I am the last Android user in my family and it's them against me! I do appreciate the refinement of certain things Apple does but I love more with Pixel. A not completely unrelated note, I really hope that someday Android Auto looks as inviting as CarPlay.
The Pixel 10 should be much better based on the change of manufactures for the processor but let's see. Pixel 8 pro user here Don't give into the pressure of your Apple family its okay to be unique
Same here, I have tried a couple of times going back to iOS but when I do I automatically miss the Pixel experience and switch back to a Pixel. I’m excited to see how Google is going to respond to “Apple Intelligence”
Microsoft missed out on Private Cloud Compute big time. They could've been Apple for non-Apple devices, since their services are platform-agnostic, and despite their recent ad push their main revenue is still M365 & enterprise. Microsoft would make a great middleground between Google "we depend on targeted ads to survive" & Apple "we make luxury devices"
Loved this video. I think the video is a perfectly logical jump from what we saw at WWDC. I love my chromebook and pixel, but your estimation of Google is a fair one. Apple, whatever our opinions, has created another standard. It’s a logical question to ask, “How will Google respond? I will say that my personal experience is that I have had zero data breaches since stepping away from Surface Duo and windows and going total pixel and chromebook. If that’s worth anything. Thanks for the video! The objectivity is very refreshing. Don’t see that much on the interwebs these days.
@@rayymunir4621 it read through your emails and messages to show you when your appointments were or what gate your flight is going to be. it gave recommendations as to when you should leave to catch up to said events. they just removed that stuff when they introduced assistant
Id reallt like to see google implement a more personal AI solution. Apples presentation had me realizing how limited gemini is on my pixel fold. I wonder if this is something theyll announce at the pixel event or if the fact that they skipped it at IO is a bad sign
Doesn't seem like the tensor 2 will support any of the Gemini nano stuff. Google hasn't given any indication and their current marketing is that the tensor 3 makes it work.
For me, the privacy thing really does come down to just that gross feeling of companies wanting my data to make money. It's not something that's a deciding factor on the phone.
So is 2024 finally the year Shane buys an iPhone? To each their own I say. Although I do believe as a tech reviewer that people shouldn’t be biased by a device, company or OS as they each have their own ups and downs. In my personal experience Apple doesn’t have to many features that are genuinely Apple but the features they do implement seem to run more smoothly than the company or OS in which did it first. As for privacy.. just assume you don’t have it regardless and you’ll be fine. Privacy is an illusion in these times.
There's still too much about iPhones that I don't like to warrant forking over the money to try one. I'd love to spend some time with iOS at some point, but it's not something I'm really thinking too hard about.
I get it, but just like having a personal assistant, not everyone might need one, but everyone could benefit from one. Tech is ultimately meant to increase the quality of life, and if AI can help bridge the gap, especially for busy or older people who are less tech savvy, it's useful.
I switched to Android on a pixel 3, and said I'd never go back to Apple. Their event had me question that statement! We will see what they have in store for their latest phone, and what the pixel fold 2 looks like. (currently on the pixel fold) the personal AI assistant space with all the info from your phone is exciting! Can't wait to see what it can do, on both sides!
I kind of felt the same way, but hate what they've done with the design of the iphone 15 pros and what they're planning on doing to the iphone 16 pros. Mainly the action button and the new shutter button to me is just pointlessly stupid of Apple.
I think Apple charges premium prices for its hardware and services, and as a consequence you are a valued customer and *you are NOT the product.* Unfortunately, with all the others I'm sure they're building profiles so they can either sell your data or sell you as a target for advertisers. I know that Apple standard apps have a back end for processing and a front end for the user interface, and direct communication with the back end is how scripting is done on an Apple device. This means that something like an edge AI can command the back end just as a scripting subsystem would do and that is how an Apple app can be commanded to perform actions. I don't know if Windows or Android apps are constructed in this fashion, and thus don't know if apps on those platforms can be commanded to perform actions.
@@LivingLinux Yeah, it doesn't _necessarily_ mean you aren't the product, but really they're the only privacy centric company out there offering deeply integrated artificial intelligence. Of course, Apple Intelligence will begin in beta in September and there will probably be problems with the initial release right out the gate - but there will be steady improvements throughout the next year with fixes and a gradual rollout of features. I'd expect the A19 in the iPhone 17 to have a much stronger neural engine - it's probably already too late for the iPhone 16's A18 as that's probably already set in stone - but Apple's uniquely positioned to take their platforms in any direction given their vertical control of both hardware down to the actual silicon in their SoCs and software (Apple's acquired and integrated more AI companies than any anyone else over the past few years). Let's face it: Apple Intelligence will be more accessible than any other vendor's offerings - I expect my non-geeky relatives to be using its features without knowing or caring that they are AI based. The biggest threats to Apple are their supply chain still deeply rooted in increasingly aggresive mainland China and regulators who feel bound to smash success as if it were a carnal sin.
@@vernearase3044 So now you switched from "you are not the product" to "you are not necessarily the product". It's plain and simple, any company claiming to protect your privacy, should NEVER sell targeted ads. Because that makes you the product by definition.
@@LivingLinux Actually, I said no such thing - but feel free to stuff words in my mouth with impunity because you're anonymously at the end of a keyboard. Who peed in your porridge this morning?
I disagree. Apple promises a lot however their delivery generally is limited. I use both and have my doubts on Apple. Take something as simple as placing objects on a Home Screen. Running beta 1 and boy did they muck it up. Apple Intelligence? I’ll wait and see.
It seems a little odd to me that in the same comment you said Apple's delivery is limited followed by "We should wait and see". The stuff hasn't even been released yet lol. We should absolutely wait and see how all of this stuff pans out before we make final judgment, but I don't think that includes generally talking and speculating like this.
Judging a beta, especially a day-one developer beta, is very harsh and unfair and absolutely not representative of what the finished product will be in three months.
Apple's AI capabilities may not reach their full potential until iOS 18 or even later, while Google's AI is expected to mature significantly by then. Apple is behind Google AI in terms of implementing several features that Google AI has already launched; Apple appears to be imitating Google AI and trying to catch up in response to its users' enthusiasm. Until such applications are fully implemented, it is difficult to determine Apple's progress from demonstrations to real-world applications.
Not sure I buy this. Is apple behind our did apple simply mature the product before releasing it? I tend to lean towards the Mature idea. Apple virtually never releases an early state product. It's almost always more thought out than what Google tends to release. I am NOT saying better. Just further along in planning than a normal Google v1
You do not have to buy. It's already bought, purchased, and sold metaphorically speaking. It's impossible to say which company's AI implementation is better, Apple or Google, because neither has fully matured yet. However, one thing is certain: Google had to lay the groundwork for Apple to build upon. Just as someone has to invent something for others to improve upon, Google had to develop AI before Apple could take it further. The only thing we've seen from Apple so far is demos, which aren't real-world applications. Google, on the other hand, has already implemented AI in real-world products that you can use. Apple's AI may be shiny and new, but it's still in its early stages. Google's AI, on the other hand, is already practical and usable.
@philsaitta8820 I'm specifically comparing Google's generative AI to Apple's. Microsoft isn't relevant because they're using OpenAI, and they don't have the phones to support generative AI like Google and Apple. So I'm focusing on those two frameworks. Google came first, when we're referring to framework architecture implementation.
@@yaboipookiepook I think your thoughts are very narrow. Implying Google is ahead because they released first. Because apple may choose to not have a shotgun release does not relegate them to second place. Google only regressed 'their' version a few short months ago. The trigger was only impressive by what they say they will do. Apple business model prevents then from releasing incomplete products. Again, I'm NOT saying one is better than the other. I am suggesting that saying apple is late to the game is probably inaccurate
We are just product now. Anything that keeps us more glued to a screen is valuable. AI will drive that even further. No need to deviate from the screen or think for yourself, that's bad. AI will do everything for us on the device instead. We just give them all our data, nobody bats an eyelid.
honestly, the same can be said for social media and how answers are provided by crowd sourcing. i think to see things in a positive light, we get "accurate" information at our fingertip faster than ever before
As a person who uses both Bixby and Copilot on my Galaxy S23 Plus, I mean, there are plenty of things that Bixby can still do that none of the others can, even if you don't like her/him.
Using these AI assistants goes hand in hand with giving them access to your stuff. Especially if you want them reading messages and emails. I think both Apple and Google can make them private and secure enough to benefit users. I don't see either side being deficient in that aspect.
Not sure if this AI stuff will help Siri on my IPhone 12 when the big update comes. Siri frustrates me. No way am I buying new phones every few years. I’m a long haul user. I’ll on buy a new phone when I’m forced too. I’m looking forward to RCS.
honestly im not sure why there's google assistant, gemini and now allegedly pixie. why not just combine them all into one new umbrella cause they're all supposed to be AI assistants anyway
Well now the term AI is going to be associated with Apple Intelligence for the common person. So they sort of stole that acronym for themselves. Pretty genius marketing. Not only that, but they added customization to the OS which was a common criticism to IOS devices. I just felt an overwhelming feeling that Apple just plans and markets light years ahead of Google. I'm a Pixel Fan and I have the complete Pixel Ecosystem fyi. But Google's haphazard way of handling things gets old. I really hope Google's leadership changes and maybe we get better leadership that does things in a more structured/organized way.
Google won’t be able to compete with Apple when it comes to privacy and security. Android is a joke when it comes to any semblance of privacy, and Windows is too. Unless they both get their acts together and provide options for full E2E encryption with locally stored keys like Apple does both on device and in the cloud, they’ll continue to lose younger users. Androids offer you a meaningless amount of additional customization in exchange for utterly violating your privacy and providing a lesser ecosystem.
I think when we talk about all of something, we are almost always setting ourselves up to be proven wrong. I think it's fair to say that a lot of AI stuff is stuff most average consumers are not going to use, but I also think that Apple has honed in on a handful of things I do think normal people might actually use, and that's what they have focused on, and I think that's extremely smart.
You know what's funny? People said the same thing when flip phones turned into smart phones and when smart phones started getting bigger and bigger. It's the nature of big changes, there's always going to be people who think it's a gimmick or pointless, but then becomes the new standard that everyone ends up using and enjoying. Now will there be folks who don't use any of the AI features? Sure of course, AI isn't mature enough yet where it's implemented to a point where it's very useful yet. Same way people stuck with their smaller palm sized smart phones for years when the new norm was the size of phones we have today which everyone at the time called "phablets", but look at it now, all those big sizes are now the new standard and even what we consider a "smaller device" today is actually the larger size we originally called phablets.
Apple may also leverage Gemini as well. Apple isn't making their on AI. They are using everybody else technology. How can they truly surpass if this is the case. Google and Microsoft search engine is a different Business from their AI, Phones and computers.
Apple has its own LLM, and plenty of data testing shows it is as good as its rivals, so I wonder why you are claiming that. It is called Apple Cloud Compute. Apple also developed its own on-device AI. The only third-party source is ChatGPT, which you must opt-in to use. They may eventually offer an opt-in for Google. However, the majority of AI stuff is done through Apple architecture.
@@andyH_England it may be as good but not good enough that they decided to leverage other models and considering leveraging Google as well. They are doing as much on device process as current competitors. Nothing truly new. They basically sounded like Google at the in of 2023 with all the things they are doing and going to add.. we will have to wait till September to see how well AI on Apple works.
@@25eazi yes I am basing it on marketing from Apple so take that with a pinch of salt. As you say, we will have to wait. But Apple sees the advantage in offering users as many AI models as possible as a choice away from their highly private Apple intelligence. I do not see this as a disadvantage as you do not have to use them and even when you use them your enquiry is strictly private and destroyed after the result. It is clearly the best solution so far if it lives up to the marketing.
@@andyH_England ai benefits from search engines. That's how it finds information that is not within apps on your device. Google AI does the same on device with email, photos and etc. but for certain things it must go to the cloud for best results. Even if it is destroyed once sent to the cloud at some point it is vulnerable. people will get tired of having to confirm before using chat gpt. They will have to allow it for best results. My thing is I'm okay with certain things being used to improve services. I'm a photographer that shares a lot of things online already. I'm no terrorist 🤣 so I don't have anything to hide. People should worry about these banks being hacked that have all their financial info. Also any system can be hacked. It has happened to all of them already. I say that to say no info is safe in the cyber world.
Google keep hobbling themselves , with the way that google search works , I can imagine how limited their AI is going to be , after all we will only be allowed to use it the way that they approve , NOT that I think apple is any better , the fact is we are all going to have amazing devices that can do a lot , but in the end , will be curtailed so that we don't overstep the manufactures .
So, comparing search to this sort of thing is a little bit tough. With search, you deal with a little bit of the garbage in garbage out problem. If you're focusing strictly on stuff that is on your device, you don't have that problem.
As a devoted Google product owner, i no longer have faith that Google will make these AI features widely available. Their AI will probably always be a step ahead of Apple but Apples delivery of features will be more widley used by their customers.
@@matteop2205 I think Apple going to do a much better job at advertising these features and have a much higher year to year upgrading audience. I just feel like Google isn't going to be upfront about what devices can truly handle the limited features they are offering, where Apple has clearly polished their AI features and has established a standard for what hardware will be needed.
@@matteop2205 The reason it's only available on the 15 pros and up is because the chipset and RAM. The normal 15s don't have enough memory. The 15 pros has 8gb of RAM while all previously only have 6gb of ram. When it comes to AI, it's a lot of processing power and the 6gb is not enough. Apple shot themselves in the foot by never wanting to put more memory in their devices until the 15 pros, sure until AI came about they never needed to, but still them sticking to lower RAM for so many years is a shortcoming for them.
In addition to privacy concerns, Google also faces challenges with fragmentation, leading to uncertain availability of its features. In contrast, Apple ensures that all advertised features are accessible from the release date, providing a consistent and reliable user experience.
Shane, did you watch the Marques interview with Tim Cook? Tim said that if you choose to use OpenAI that your data will be sent to them and that you must make a conscious decision to do that, every time.
I haven't watched it, no. I just know that they are also clearly stating that said data is anonymized and not kept by them or OpenAI. I guess it's up to us to trust them or not lol.
@@scaryifliteral This is subject to third-party auditors monitoring whether this remains so, and Apple is also allowing public access to the software so that developers can test the claimed privacy. I imagine Apple has built bullet-proof privacy and security; even if flaws are found, they will be resolved ASAP.
Did you hear Elon Musk stating that if this is how Apple is implementing AI, that he will make damn sure that no iphone will be used by his employees at work?
Me personally, I think, in traditional Apple fashion based on my experience, it’ll still be behind Gemini. When Apple does add a feature, it’s usually half baked. Where as when Google adds a feature, it’s usually ready.
As a long time Android /Pixel user, I couldn't disagree more. In my experience I find the opposite. Look no further than Gemini's complicated roll out, and the half baked Find My Device network rollout
Heck after writing the reply, I got an email from Google saying "Catch up on the new Feature Drop", explaining the new feature. But I have 2 pixels that haven't even received the update yet. After many times hitting that check for update button. I'm not saying it's a big deal to me, but again why send an email before everyone gets it? Just poorly thought out
@@Madeintheshade65 The word, Google and half-baked are almost synonymous. But in Google's defense, I still like their half-baked version of things better than a fully baked apple pie lol
You have that the wrong way around. Generally, Apple takes its time, and Android rushes to be the first. Look at Recall from Windows, a rushed "AI" product that has proven flawed.
Apple may be saying all the right things now, but, in the background, I don't think our data is as secure with them as they want us to believe. It's the same with MS and Google too. I predict once Apple Intelligence is launched the user data given to it will be somehow compromised, sadly. I mean, look at what happened with iCloud as an example. Great video, Shane, keep up the good work.
I just hope that Google will include similar features on the Pixel 8 and 8 Pro. Apple is doing this on their 15 Pro, and I love the idea of having as many things as possible processed on the devices for privacy and security sake. I will not be buying the Pixel 9 because I really want to wait for the Pixel 10. It should be getting a ton of enhancements and new tricks because of the TSMC chip. I hope it's a big leap for Google Pixel.
I'm surprised at the varying opinions as to the readiness of products by apple and Google here. My Android arsenal..Notes 3,4,5,6,10,20. Pixel 2,3,4,5,7, fold. Surface Duo 1 & 2. Iphone lineup..7,8 x, 11,12,13,14,15. I have the history and experience to bank up my thoughts. Google tends to release early and less baked ideas? Apple releases more thought out products. I did not say better. Just more mature on first release. Google, IMO, 10:00 tends to release V.5 Whereas apple tends to release v1.5. this tends to give the impression Thai Google is clunky and sore is slow. Each of us are our own fanboys. 🤷♂️
I think the biggest thing Google does that hurts people's perception of them is that they have such a shotgun approach. Apple tends to only talk about and release products that are pretty much fully formed.
Apple's on-device model will be limited at the beginning because it will have to learn as it goes and store its memory on the device for later usage. How much memory will that be after it's finished learning everything about you is left to be seen. The same thing was said about the Rabbit R1. The information in apple's private compute cloud will also be limited that is why it has to hand of advance queries to larger models like GPT.
Rome wasn't built in a day, and Apple has to play catch up. But they have the resources to do it and maybe even surpass rivals, especially as Google is already in talks for Gemini AI to be made available as a fourth option on the iPhone. The issue is that OpenAI was willing to abide by Apple's stringent privacy requirements, and Google, which loves to consume data, may be avderse to this.
@@andyH_England I don't think google will take it because it's no different than having an app on the Iphone. And google already has its app / apps that already do everything that Apple announced and more for those that uses google services in the Apple app store. "Search" is already in Safari. It doesn't make any business sense and there's no incentives. That is why I'm also skeptical of the claim that Siri will get better. I'll say yes BUT only for Apple's own apps. As for the apps of big players and small indi developers; what are the incentives for them to allow Siri to take action on the behalf of the customer inside their app? Apple tax will have to drop to 5-10% for them to be all in on that. Because it's no different than when Apple first announced Siri. Some developers were on board, most weren't and some discontinued that feature because it wasn't being used often. And as for surpassing Google! That is a possibility only if Apple up its data centers game create and train more AI models on scrap/bought data than google.
@@scaryifliteral If you didn't watch it, check out Google's I/O 2023 conference. It's all the same stuff Apple just showed. I'm not sure how these companies can demonstrate a product that doesn't work yet, lol. Bard (Google) was touted as an almost human assistant who could read and update you on your past texts and emails, schedule appointments for you, etc. Crazy advanced like talking to a human. This is why my wife got the Pixel. After its release, Google announced it was coming by the end of 2023...we waited. They changed the name to Gemini, and then it was announced as first quarter of 2024...we waited. Then Gemini was released in 3 tiers. You have to pay $20 a month for the best, ugh. Anyhow, still waiting, and it isn't close to the 2023 demonstration. Not sure if Apple will be able to deliver but if they do and Google doesn't it's not a good look for Google. We'll see. 🤙🏼
@@scaryifliteral Yes, Google's 2023 conference was essentially the same as Apple's 2024. Still waiting for Google to implement all the features they showed.
@@yaboipookiepook google r a business that use ppls data they have a bad reputation for using data. Apple r a software company & hardware company they don’t use ppls data like google.
Just a heads up, we're not doing the Google/Apple/Android/iOS sucks nonsense. Leave the tribal bs elsewhere. Talk like a grown up or I'll just ban you and move on.
You’re freaking awesome!!
That comment elicited a sub from me before I even watched the video
I have something in mind:
- Microsoft has serivces, and desktop customers, but abandoned mobile.
- Google has services and mobile customers, but is not taking Chromebooks seriously.
- Apple has both desktop and mobile customers, but falls behind in services and data gathered to have the best AI, and that's why they are making use of other AIs.
It's gonna be interesting.
I hate resurrecting a dead horse, MS REALLLY botched a missed opportunity with Cortana. Cortana already did some of those things on the device.
This latest “Apple Intelligence” has made me more enthusiastic about googles upcoming ideas with their AI technology on their pixel phones.
I hope that Google really brings it this year. I am the last Android user in my family and it's them against me! I do appreciate the refinement of certain things Apple does but I love more with Pixel.
A not completely unrelated note, I really hope that someday Android Auto looks as inviting as CarPlay.
The Pixel 10 should be much better based on the change of manufactures for the processor but let's see. Pixel 8 pro user here
Don't give into the pressure of your Apple family its okay to be unique
@@ace0341 I'm hoping for a few surprises on P9. I can't hold out until P10, unfortunately. My screen on my P6P has checked out.
Same here, I have tried a couple of times going back to iOS but when I do I automatically miss the Pixel experience and switch back to a Pixel. I’m excited to see how Google is going to respond to “Apple Intelligence”
Microsoft missed out on Private Cloud Compute big time.
They could've been Apple for non-Apple devices, since their services are platform-agnostic, and despite their recent ad push their main revenue is still M365 & enterprise.
Microsoft would make a great middleground between Google "we depend on targeted ads to survive" & Apple "we make luxury devices"
Loved this video. I think the video is a perfectly logical jump from what we saw at WWDC. I love my chromebook and pixel, but your estimation of Google is a fair one. Apple, whatever our opinions, has created another standard. It’s a logical question to ask, “How will Google respond? I will say that my personal experience is that I have had zero data breaches since stepping away from Surface Duo and windows and going total pixel and chromebook. If that’s worth anything. Thanks for the video! The objectivity is very refreshing. Don’t see that much on the interwebs these days.
I appreciate the comment!
That assistant will not work as advertised I guarantee it
so basically google now
Wasn't google now just a feed of personal information? From what I remember, you couldn't take action or transfer info between apps.
@@rayymunir4621 it read through your emails and messages to show you when your appointments were or what gate your flight is going to be. it gave recommendations as to when you should leave to catch up to said events. they just removed that stuff when they introduced assistant
Id reallt like to see google implement a more personal AI solution. Apples presentation had me realizing how limited gemini is on my pixel fold. I wonder if this is something theyll announce at the pixel event or if the fact that they skipped it at IO is a bad sign
Shane, will the pixel fold get any of the Gemini features, like the assistance with text or emails?
Doesn't seem like the tensor 2 will support any of the Gemini nano stuff. Google hasn't given any indication and their current marketing is that the tensor 3 makes it work.
If you're meaning the local Nano model, no.
Is apple stance on privacy for AI enough for you to consider switching to apple, if google does nothing to improve privacy for their AI?
For me, the privacy thing really does come down to just that gross feeling of companies wanting my data to make money. It's not something that's a deciding factor on the phone.
So is 2024 finally the year Shane buys an iPhone? To each their own I say. Although I do believe as a tech reviewer that people shouldn’t be biased by a device, company or OS as they each have their own ups and downs. In my personal experience Apple doesn’t have to many features that are genuinely Apple but the features they do implement seem to run more smoothly than the company or OS in which did it first. As for privacy.. just assume you don’t have it regardless and you’ll be fine. Privacy is an illusion in these times.
There's still too much about iPhones that I don't like to warrant forking over the money to try one. I'd love to spend some time with iOS at some point, but it's not something I'm really thinking too hard about.
I am not in to the AI thing. Looks cool but is it needed.
I mean, if we're only doing stuff we need we're gonna have a lot less fun lol
I get it, but just like having a personal assistant, not everyone might need one, but everyone could benefit from one. Tech is ultimately meant to increase the quality of life, and if AI can help bridge the gap, especially for busy or older people who are less tech savvy, it's useful.
I think google will have to really up Tensors power to do all this on device, I feel like it will be a lot more web based and slower response times
I switched to Android on a pixel 3, and said I'd never go back to Apple. Their event had me question that statement! We will see what they have in store for their latest phone, and what the pixel fold 2 looks like. (currently on the pixel fold) the personal AI assistant space with all the info from your phone is exciting! Can't wait to see what it can do, on both sides!
I kind of felt the same way, but hate what they've done with the design of the iphone 15 pros and what they're planning on doing to the iphone 16 pros. Mainly the action button and the new shutter button to me is just pointlessly stupid of Apple.
Let's see! 🤞🏿
Regardless of what happens, it's going to be fun to watch.
I have never met one single person that owns a pixel phone…..not one
Ok?
I think Apple charges premium prices for its hardware and services, and as a consequence you are a valued customer and *you are NOT the product.*
Unfortunately, with all the others I'm sure they're building profiles so they can either sell your data or sell you as a target for advertisers.
I know that Apple standard apps have a back end for processing and a front end for the user interface, and direct communication with the back end is how scripting is done on an Apple device. This means that something like an edge AI can command the back end just as a scripting subsystem would do and that is how an Apple app can be commanded to perform actions.
I don't know if Windows or Android apps are constructed in this fashion, and thus don't know if apps on those platforms can be commanded to perform actions.
Just because you pay high prices, doesn't mean you are not the product. Apple also sells personalised adds. Think different.
@@LivingLinux Yeah, it doesn't _necessarily_ mean you aren't the product, but really they're the only privacy centric company out there offering deeply integrated artificial intelligence.
Of course, Apple Intelligence will begin in beta in September and there will probably be problems with the initial release right out the gate - but there will be steady improvements throughout the next year with fixes and a gradual rollout of features.
I'd expect the A19 in the iPhone 17 to have a much stronger neural engine - it's probably already too late for the iPhone 16's A18 as that's probably already set in stone - but Apple's uniquely positioned to take their platforms in any direction given their vertical control of both hardware down to the actual silicon in their SoCs and software (Apple's acquired and integrated more AI companies than any anyone else over the past few years).
Let's face it: Apple Intelligence will be more accessible than any other vendor's offerings - I expect my non-geeky relatives to be using its features without knowing or caring that they are AI based.
The biggest threats to Apple are their supply chain still deeply rooted in increasingly aggresive mainland China and regulators who feel bound to smash success as if it were a carnal sin.
@@vernearase3044 So now you switched from "you are not the product" to "you are not necessarily the product". It's plain and simple, any company claiming to protect your privacy, should NEVER sell targeted ads. Because that makes you the product by definition.
@@LivingLinux Actually, I said no such thing - but feel free to stuff words in my mouth with impunity because you're anonymously at the end of a keyboard.
Who peed in your porridge this morning?
Google losing AI market share I am guaranteed
I disagree. Apple promises a lot however their delivery generally is limited. I use both and have my doubts on Apple. Take something as simple as placing objects on a Home Screen. Running beta 1 and boy did they muck it up. Apple Intelligence? I’ll wait and see.
It seems a little odd to me that in the same comment you said Apple's delivery is limited followed by "We should wait and see". The stuff hasn't even been released yet lol. We should absolutely wait and see how all of this stuff pans out before we make final judgment, but I don't think that includes generally talking and speculating like this.
Judging a beta, especially a day-one developer beta, is very harsh and unfair and absolutely not representative of what the finished product will be in three months.
@@scaryifliteral There is always hope and Apple has had some decent surprises. Now to see how much of the marketing is fulfilled.
@@andyH_England Maybe. I have been doing dev betas pretty much since inception. We’ll have to see how betas 3-5 go to get a better feel.
Apple's AI capabilities may not reach their full potential until iOS 18 or even later, while Google's AI is expected to mature significantly by then. Apple is behind Google AI in terms of implementing several features that Google AI has already launched; Apple appears to be imitating Google AI and trying to catch up in response to its users' enthusiasm. Until such applications are fully implemented, it is difficult to determine Apple's progress from demonstrations to real-world applications.
Not sure I buy this. Is apple behind our did apple simply mature the product before releasing it? I tend to lean towards the Mature idea. Apple virtually never releases an early state product. It's almost always more thought out than what Google tends to release. I am NOT saying better. Just further along in planning than a normal Google v1
You do not have to buy. It's already bought, purchased, and sold metaphorically speaking. It's impossible to say which company's AI implementation is better, Apple or Google, because neither has fully matured yet. However, one thing is certain: Google had to lay the groundwork for Apple to build upon. Just as someone has to invent something for others to improve upon, Google had to develop AI before Apple could take it further. The only thing we've seen from Apple so far is demos, which aren't real-world applications. Google, on the other hand, has already implemented AI in real-world products that you can use. Apple's AI may be shiny and new, but it's still in its early stages. Google's AI, on the other hand, is already practical and usable.
@@yaboipookiepook really? Apple is not using Google framework. If anything, you can say Microsoft built the framework for apple. 🤷♂️
@philsaitta8820 I'm specifically comparing Google's generative AI to Apple's. Microsoft isn't relevant because they're using OpenAI, and they don't have the phones to support generative AI like Google and Apple. So I'm focusing on those two frameworks. Google came first, when we're referring to framework architecture implementation.
@@yaboipookiepook I think your thoughts are very narrow. Implying Google is ahead because they released first. Because apple may choose to not have a shotgun release does not relegate them to second place. Google only regressed 'their' version a few short months ago. The trigger was only impressive by what they say they will do. Apple business model prevents then from releasing incomplete products. Again, I'm NOT saying one is better than the other. I am suggesting that saying apple is late to the game is probably inaccurate
I think apple has a great marketing department. Waiting for a full review.
Why do I get the feeling that all AI is doing is doing crap for us, making us not wanting to think and research on our own.
It’s kind of like a calculator doing the mathing for us.
We are just product now. Anything that keeps us more glued to a screen is valuable. AI will drive that even further. No need to deviate from the screen or think for yourself, that's bad. AI will do everything for us on the device instead. We just give them all our data, nobody bats an eyelid.
honestly, the same can be said for social media and how answers are provided by crowd sourcing. i think to see things in a positive light, we get "accurate" information at our fingertip faster than ever before
@@ACatCalledSnow There are AI’s and what they are currently calling AI. We need to get to the former first.
As a person who uses both Bixby and Copilot on my Galaxy S23 Plus, I mean, there are plenty of things that Bixby can still do that none of the others can, even if you don't like her/him.
Bring back the Palm Pixie lol
I think you just get an iPhone with that Clicks case now lol
Using these AI assistants goes hand in hand with giving them access to your stuff. Especially if you want them reading messages and emails. I think both Apple and Google can make them private and secure enough to benefit users. I don't see either side being deficient in that aspect.
Interesting to see how samsung will respond
Not sure if this AI stuff will help Siri on my IPhone 12 when the big update comes. Siri frustrates me. No way am I buying new phones every few years. I’m a long haul user. I’ll on buy a new phone when I’m forced too.
I’m looking forward to RCS.
Thats pro6ehy the next phone pixel 9 is rumored to come with 16g of ram. Thats makes sense now.
It’s all very clever and all but I just don’t want G in my data, email, messages etc
How can you be an andorid guy seeing apple blow every competition away
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honestly im not sure why there's google assistant, gemini and now allegedly pixie. why not just combine them all into one new umbrella cause they're all supposed to be AI assistants anyway
Well now the term AI is going to be associated with Apple Intelligence for the common person. So they sort of stole that acronym for themselves. Pretty genius marketing. Not only that, but they added customization to the OS which was a common criticism to IOS devices. I just felt an overwhelming feeling that Apple just plans and markets light years ahead of Google. I'm a Pixel Fan and I have the complete Pixel Ecosystem fyi. But Google's haphazard way of handling things gets old. I really hope Google's leadership changes and maybe we get better leadership that does things in a more structured/organized way.
Google won’t be able to compete with Apple when it comes to privacy and security. Android is a joke when it comes to any semblance of privacy, and Windows is too. Unless they both get their acts together and provide options for full E2E encryption with locally stored keys like Apple does both on device and in the cloud, they’ll continue to lose younger users. Androids offer you a meaningless amount of additional customization in exchange for utterly violating your privacy and providing a lesser ecosystem.
Considering the backlash for Microsoft and Recall I think Google will be careful about going outside the parameters that Apple defined.
I'm loving Google software on my Pixel Fold forget Apple has get it working.
I think lot of this AI intelligence is just a gimmick that gets tech enthusiasts talking about it but the average person will never use.
I think when we talk about all of something, we are almost always setting ourselves up to be proven wrong. I think it's fair to say that a lot of AI stuff is stuff most average consumers are not going to use, but I also think that Apple has honed in on a handful of things I do think normal people might actually use, and that's what they have focused on, and I think that's extremely smart.
You know what's funny? People said the same thing when flip phones turned into smart phones and when smart phones started getting bigger and bigger. It's the nature of big changes, there's always going to be people who think it's a gimmick or pointless, but then becomes the new standard that everyone ends up using and enjoying. Now will there be folks who don't use any of the AI features? Sure of course, AI isn't mature enough yet where it's implemented to a point where it's very useful yet. Same way people stuck with their smaller palm sized smart phones for years when the new norm was the size of phones we have today which everyone at the time called "phablets", but look at it now, all those big sizes are now the new standard and even what we consider a "smaller device" today is actually the larger size we originally called phablets.
Apple may also leverage Gemini as well. Apple isn't making their on AI. They are using everybody else technology. How can they truly surpass if this is the case. Google and Microsoft search engine is a different Business from their AI, Phones and computers.
Apple has its own LLM, and plenty of data testing shows it is as good as its rivals, so I wonder why you are claiming that. It is called Apple Cloud Compute. Apple also developed its own on-device AI. The only third-party source is ChatGPT, which you must opt-in to use. They may eventually offer an opt-in for Google. However, the majority of AI stuff is done through Apple architecture.
@@andyH_England it may be as good but not good enough that they decided to leverage other models and considering leveraging Google as well. They are doing as much on device process as current competitors. Nothing truly new. They basically sounded like Google at the in of 2023 with all the things they are doing and going to add.. we will have to wait till September to see how well AI on Apple works.
@@25eazi yes I am basing it on marketing from Apple so take that with a pinch of salt. As you say, we will have to wait. But Apple sees the advantage in offering users as many AI models as possible as a choice away from their highly private Apple intelligence. I do not see this as a disadvantage as you do not have to use them and even when you use them your enquiry is strictly private and destroyed after the result. It is clearly the best solution so far if it lives up to the marketing.
@@andyH_England ai benefits from search engines. That's how it finds information that is not within apps on your device. Google AI does the same on device with email, photos and etc. but for certain things it must go to the cloud for best results. Even if it is destroyed once sent to the cloud at some point it is vulnerable. people will get tired of having to confirm before using chat gpt. They will have to allow it for best results. My thing is I'm okay with certain things being used to improve services. I'm a photographer that shares a lot of things online already. I'm no terrorist 🤣 so I don't have anything to hide. People should worry about these banks being hacked that have all their financial info. Also any system can be hacked. It has happened to all of them already. I say that to say no info is safe in the cyber world.
Good stuff . 🎉
I want My Google/magicleap Ar/ Ai glasses and I want them now😮.
Ps. Did you get the June update yet?
I sideloaded
Google keep hobbling themselves , with the way that google search works , I can imagine how limited their AI is going to be , after all we will only be allowed to use it the way that they approve , NOT that I think apple is any better , the fact is we are all going to have amazing devices that can do a lot , but in the end , will be curtailed so that we don't overstep the manufactures .
So, comparing search to this sort of thing is a little bit tough. With search, you deal with a little bit of the garbage in garbage out problem. If you're focusing strictly on stuff that is on your device, you don't have that problem.
Google vs Apple yawn
Do I at least get credit for not rage baiting and just talking about stuff that I think is interesting? lol.
As a devoted Google product owner, i no longer have faith that Google will make these AI features widely available. Their AI will probably always be a step ahead of Apple but Apples delivery of features will be more widley used by their customers.
Really?? Apple ai is only available for iphone 15 pro or Higher...and google will probably do the same
@@matteop2205 I think Apple going to do a much better job at advertising these features and have a much higher year to year upgrading audience.
I just feel like Google isn't going to be upfront about what devices can truly handle the limited features they are offering, where Apple has clearly polished their AI features and has established a standard for what hardware will be needed.
@@matteop2205 The reason it's only available on the 15 pros and up is because the chipset and RAM. The normal 15s don't have enough memory. The 15 pros has 8gb of RAM while all previously only have 6gb of ram. When it comes to AI, it's a lot of processing power and the 6gb is not enough. Apple shot themselves in the foot by never wanting to put more memory in their devices until the 15 pros, sure until AI came about they never needed to, but still them sticking to lower RAM for so many years is a shortcoming for them.
In addition to privacy concerns, Google also faces challenges with fragmentation, leading to uncertain availability of its features. In contrast, Apple ensures that all advertised features are accessible from the release date, providing a consistent and reliable user experience.
Shane, did you watch the Marques interview with Tim Cook? Tim said that if you choose to use OpenAI that your data will be sent to them and that you must make a conscious decision to do that, every time.
I haven't watched it, no. I just know that they are also clearly stating that said data is anonymized and not kept by them or OpenAI. I guess it's up to us to trust them or not lol.
@@scaryifliteral This is subject to third-party auditors monitoring whether this remains so, and Apple is also allowing public access to the software so that developers can test the claimed privacy. I imagine Apple has built bullet-proof privacy and security; even if flaws are found, they will be resolved ASAP.
@andyH_England I did see that was a thing. I think it's very smart.
Did you hear Elon Musk stating that if this is how Apple is implementing AI, that he will make damn sure that no iphone will be used by his employees at work?
Me personally, I think, in traditional Apple fashion based on my experience, it’ll still be behind Gemini. When Apple does add a feature, it’s usually half baked. Where as when Google adds a feature, it’s usually ready.
As a long time Android /Pixel user, I couldn't disagree more. In my experience I find the opposite. Look no further than Gemini's complicated roll out, and the half baked Find My Device network rollout
Heck after writing the reply, I got an email from Google saying "Catch up on
the new Feature Drop", explaining the new feature. But I have 2 pixels that haven't even received the update yet. After many times hitting that check for update button. I'm not saying it's a big deal to me, but again why send an email before everyone gets it? Just poorly thought out
Dude! Apple is not going to release anything half baked but on the other hand Google has a history of releasing half baked products and software
@@Madeintheshade65 The word, Google and half-baked are almost synonymous. But in Google's defense, I still like their half-baked version of things better than a fully baked apple pie lol
You have that the wrong way around. Generally, Apple takes its time, and Android rushes to be the first. Look at Recall from Windows, a rushed "AI" product that has proven flawed.
Voiceover on the video by Owen Wilson
Apple may be saying all the right things now, but, in the background, I don't think our data is as secure with them as they want us to believe. It's the same with MS and Google too.
I predict once Apple Intelligence is launched the user data given to it will be somehow compromised, sadly. I mean, look at what happened with iCloud as an example.
Great video, Shane, keep up the good work.
Apple announced some things will be done by OpenAI. This should be a big red flag.
@@LivingLinux Yes, but it's Apple, so it's okay, right?
I just hope that Google will include similar features on the Pixel 8 and 8 Pro. Apple is doing this on their 15 Pro, and I love the idea of having as many things as possible processed on the devices for privacy and security sake. I will not be buying the Pixel 9 because I really want to wait for the Pixel 10. It should be getting a ton of enhancements and new tricks because of the TSMC chip. I hope it's a big leap for Google Pixel.
Not much AI features in IOS 18 💯
Android 15 vs IOS 18 🍎😁
I'm surprised at the varying opinions as to the readiness of products by apple and Google here. My Android arsenal..Notes 3,4,5,6,10,20. Pixel 2,3,4,5,7, fold. Surface Duo 1 & 2. Iphone lineup..7,8 x, 11,12,13,14,15. I have the history and experience to bank up my thoughts. Google tends to release early and less baked ideas? Apple releases more thought out products. I did not say better. Just more mature on first release. Google, IMO, 10:00 tends to release V.5 Whereas apple tends to release v1.5. this tends to give the impression Thai Google is clunky and sore is slow. Each of us are our own fanboys. 🤷♂️
I think the biggest thing Google does that hurts people's perception of them is that they have such a shotgun approach. Apple tends to only talk about and release products that are pretty much fully formed.
@@scaryifliteral somehow that translates into Google came first and apple is late.🤷♂️
Just depends on perspective I guess. If you're talking first to release something publicly, then yeah.
Apple's on-device model will be limited at the beginning because it will have to learn as it goes and store its memory on the device for later usage. How much memory will that be after it's finished learning everything about you is left to be seen. The same thing was said about the Rabbit R1. The information in apple's private compute cloud will also be limited that is why it has to hand of advance queries to larger models like GPT.
Rome wasn't built in a day, and Apple has to play catch up. But they have the resources to do it and maybe even surpass rivals, especially as Google is already in talks for Gemini AI to be made available as a fourth option on the iPhone. The issue is that OpenAI was willing to abide by Apple's stringent privacy requirements, and Google, which loves to consume data, may be avderse to this.
@@andyH_England I don't think google will take it because it's no different than having an app on the Iphone. And google already has its app / apps that already do everything that Apple announced and more for those that uses google services in the Apple app store. "Search" is already in Safari. It doesn't make any business sense and there's no incentives. That is why I'm also skeptical of the claim that Siri will get better. I'll say yes BUT only for Apple's own apps. As for the apps of big players and small indi developers; what are the incentives for them to allow Siri to take action on the behalf of the customer inside their app? Apple tax will have to drop to 5-10% for them to be all in on that. Because it's no different than when Apple first announced Siri. Some developers were on board, most weren't and some discontinued that feature because it wasn't being used often. And as for surpassing Google! That is a possibility only if Apple up its data centers game create and train more AI models on scrap/bought data than google.
Didn't Google announce similar assistant features in 2023 as Bard then changed the name to Gemini? Did I dream this? 😂
They probably talked about it, yeah. Wouldn't be surprising. This stuff doesn't get made overnight.
@@scaryifliteral If you didn't watch it, check out Google's I/O 2023 conference. It's all the same stuff Apple just showed. I'm not sure how these companies can demonstrate a product that doesn't work yet, lol. Bard (Google) was touted as an almost human assistant who could read and update you on your past texts and emails, schedule appointments for you, etc. Crazy advanced like talking to a human. This is why my wife got the Pixel. After its release, Google announced it was coming by the end of 2023...we waited. They changed the name to Gemini, and then it was announced as first quarter of 2024...we waited. Then Gemini was released in 3 tiers. You have to pay $20 a month for the best, ugh. Anyhow, still waiting, and it isn't close to the 2023 demonstration. Not sure if Apple will be able to deliver but if they do and Google doesn't it's not a good look for Google. We'll see. 🤙🏼
@@scaryifliteral Yes, Google's 2023 conference was essentially the same as Apple's 2024. Still waiting for Google to implement all the features they showed.
Google has trust issues
And what makes you think Apple doesn't?
@@yaboipookiepook google r a business that use ppls data they have a bad reputation for using data. Apple r a software company & hardware company they don’t use ppls data like google.