Why You Fail At Bow Drill Friction Fire
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Bow drill friction fire success may be something that has escaped you so far. You may have a hard time getting that bow and drill ember to form. You may be getting lots of smoke but still no ember. As someone who is very experienced at friction fire and being a friction fire instructor, I may have the answer to your lack of bow and drill friction fire success. I really want you to succeed at bow and drill fire and reach that level of independence that can only come from finally achieving that elusive long time friction fire goal. It is such an indescribable feeling of accomplishment to succeed at bow and drill and I want to help you.
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Hello my name is Lonnie and My wife is Connie.
Here at Far North Bushcraft And Survival you will learn about many long forgotten tricks and tips of the old time woodsmen. Not only will you learn about bushcraft / woodcraft but you will learn many things that will help you to survive in less than ideal "survival" situations as well. Come along and sit with me by the campfire as I delve into these subjects in a way that you can easily learn to then do yourself.
I will show you how to make shelters, gather food, use wild medicines as well as start fires with or without matches, lighters, ferro rods, etc
“Success is the goal” - Lonnie
Very well done indeed :) 100% success. I wonder what kind of wood/woods you used? I normally use only Spruce. I see the Bow & Drill as a real backup fire making method, so I use wood from only one tree and Spruce works for that. I will try this with Spruce for sure.
Survival Russia, I would be very interested in what type of spruce you look for while doing friction fire. Do you look for standing dead spruce? Bark on or off? Punky spruce? The reason I ask you is because I am researching spruce as a friction fire source right now. I was visiting with Lonnie a couple of evenings ago and told him the local elder natives in my area told me they used to use spruce also. Any information you have would be appreciated. Perhaps this could be a video material for you :)
I use dead standing spruce. Maybe I will go out and try this method here tomorrow:) If so, a video will be coming up.
My favorite local friction fire woods are willow and poplar or cottonwood but I have been successful using spruce, cottonwood, willow, alder, aspen and poplar. I have not tried birch yet as I am guessing it would be a difficult wood. I take that back, I have used a dried very decayed piece of birch as a successful hearth board. Will be looking forward to seeing what you come up with on using a spruce set.
Survival Russia haha, nice to see you too bro. you are one of my favorites. wish I knew your name dude. you are seriously a damn good teacher on survival. Lonnie is one of my main guys, I have followed him for a few years, but you are right up there with him and his awesome wife. keep up all you do for us survival Russia. and that is said with tons of love from the united states bro.
Good point! Will have to try soon!
You make it look so effortless, thanks Lonnie and Connie!
snakemonkey555 I agree, he makes it look so easy!!! I want to try it some time
So true, Lonnie! Friction fire became almost easy even with woods that aren't supposed to work once I stopped trying to use brute force. With inspiration from your videos I started seriously studying the process. Skill is the key not labor.
They also don't listen to the SOUND.
The sound changes as the dust builds up and the wood dries out and begins to become hot.
If you listen, you'll hear what I mean.
Excellent video brotha! I agree 100%! Thank you
JIUJITSU2000 nice to see you again bro. still gratfull on the advice you gave me on my svea. keep up all that you do for us jiujitsu
Hi Lonnie and Connie, another quality video, thanks for sharing! Rock On!
No wonder why I was never able to start a fire the way I used to do it. I'll try your method next time. And save energy too.
Great Job! Never have I seen anyone do that that easy. I have only been able to do it once, and it was years ago......I guess I'll have to play with it again now!
i SUCK at friction fire have not even tried in a long time ... after watching this video i think i seen several things i was doing wrong think i will try it again... thanks guys
This reminds me of the movie Castaway where it took Tom Hanks all day to start a fire. Great video!
Great advice! I think this video is going to end up helping a lot of people. 👍
Bully the Bullies can’t agree more...
Bully NW Primate has told me that he has learned much from my channel and videos. It is also true that I have learned from him as well and I have told him that. I have also directed my viewers to his channel in the past. We are both here to help others learn. If you are here to stir up trouble, it isn't going to work. David West is another man that I have a lot of respect for and consider him a friend of mine. If you watch Davids videos enough, you will realize that he too is an extremely knowledgeable man with friction fire who doesn't try to come across as superior to anyone. He is just a man who loves to experiment with fire methods and loves to share what he knows. It is very clear from watching his videos that he is extremely kniwledgable on the subject but remains humble. He has learned from NW Primate and has said so. I would not be surprised if NW Primate has learned from David as well. The truth is that we all learn from each other. I for one, do not wish to be known as the god of friction fire. My goal is that every one who comes here will take away something useful that will help them on their quest for knowledge. I would not be surprised if David and NW feel the same way about their channels and videos because they strike me both as those sort of men. Your efforts to pit one against another are useless here as I seriously doubt any of us will take the bait.
Bully the Bullies : You are very wrong about David West. He gives him tons of credit, refers to him often, and is in fact the one who mentioned him and linked to him in at least one of his videos. If not for Mr West, I would never have known about NW Primate. Thanks David!
Far North Bushcraft And Survival : Very well said!!! The 3 of you are the most authentic and humble guys in this genera. I have learned so much from the 3 of you! Keep of the great works and thanks for sharing.
I have learned a ton from both Lonnie and David West. I know we all really enjoy these skills and sharing what we learn through experimentation and from each other. Both of David and Lonnie have gone out of their way to mention me in their videos, for which I am both honored and extremely grateful.
Seeing Lonnie making friction fire in his difficult environment was one of the things that motivated me to try it in the first place, so while it makes me smile to think that I have shared things that he has found useful, he was definitely well versed in friction fire before he knew I existed.
I don't think that BtB was trying to stir up any trouble as he has always left nice comments on my videos in the past, so hopefully we can give him the benefit of the doubt.
You are the Master !!!!!
Good advice Lonnie. Let the bow do the work. It's like any tool.
Been watching your stuff for years, you are awesome!
Great demo. I love it that you are so good that you achieved an ember accidentally before you meant to!
Your voice and demeanor really helps me and i'm sure others absorb your teachings...Can't get enough..Thanks you two!
Very informative,I know ur how to videos helped me out alot,thanks sir and awesome video
Well I've been working at this for quite some time. This witchery he preforms is quite humbling. Dude makes a fire as he takes a nap in the snow. Well done vet!
I Love the truth. Simply told, it does have a certain unmistakable ring to it.
"Speed is not the goal, success is the goal".
Please keep up the great videos. ✌🏼
Agreed, especially when handrill comes to play. It’s all about pressure and speed based off of the materials.
Very well said Lonnie .. Most people think it,s speed that gets the ember ... Great video Sir...
A Very Good Demo for the "Bow Drill" Lonnie. Thanks.
I really appreciate the information, Lonnie and Connie. Thanks so very much. I still have to find suitable wood for the drill aspect though. Peace be with you.
Thanks for the vid. I was afraid you were going to catch yer beard on fire. Take care up there.
From my experience too I noticed that seasoned wood, especially wood that has been laying out in the sun on top of hills works good.
I have watched so many videos on this and you make it look so easy. and you are right, people seem to rush it. Love your videos.
You make it look so easy ... Others look very hurried about the process ... Great video
Think you hit the nail on the head with their problem,most want it now,faster the better. Thanks for sharing!
Once again, Lonnie, you are a pure genius at fire making! Thanks...
Fantastic information! Big like from the Fairy Frequency channel. Wishing you a beautiful weekend x) 🦋
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I find your videos are by far the best instructional ones on UA-cam
Seems experiance is the best teacher. Great video, thanks for sharing
"Success is the goal. Not a speed. Start with 60% power. Slow move." ... It sounds just like a life. Thank you, Lonnie san.
Good one Lonnie.....was almost like, oops, I made an ember!
Lonnie, my favorite bow driller. Your advice on this subject has allowed me to succeed with wood types that "text books" on this subject advices against. Till this day my best set was a salix spindle on a juniper board.
That is always very encouraging for me to hear that my videos have helped people to succeed.
Like always a GREAT content and advices!!! I appreciate alot you're work shearing you're knowledge. And in the way you do it... You're calm, and voice is easy to understand and it have a familiar tone. Is like if you where my uncle or something lol. Thank you Lonnie! 😊 👍.
first. Good to see you again Lonnie :D
Excellent work! Thanks for clearing it up!
Thanks Lonnie.... great information to help us newbs. I finally got my bow drill set made and got an ember 1st try. I used french mulberry as a spindle and red cedar hearth. Worked flawlessly. I must say it is a rewarding experience to know you can start a fire from basically nothing. Thanks for all your help.
Thank you for sharing this!! I have the hardest time making an ember. It looks so easy for you. I am using Aspen.. (Cause that is what I have on my land... ) Have you been successful with Aspen?
I have been successful with aspen but it has been one of the harder tree species for me to be successful with. Below is a web site that I am not affiliated with in any way but find it very useful to show others what woods may be useful in their area. If you can find a piece of aspen that has begun to deteriorate and break down a bit, that may provide your best option in your area for great friction fire materials.
www.primitiveways.com/Fire%20Making%20Materials.html
Very good. Thank you very much
Balance of speed and power, takes time... practice at home... once you get it, do it once a day for a week or more ... muscle memory.
Great video! Thanks!
Great info especially if your just starting to use primitive fire starting techniques my first time was rough but was worth all the hard work once I got the fire going
Value in every one of your videos. Your work may even save lives someday. Well done brother
My work has apparently already saved lives. I have been told by three different people that what they have learned on my channel has literally saved their lives when they found themselves in a bad situation.
best ever. wow. thank you
Char dust.. Holy moley, thanks for sharing...
Hey, not sure if you're still checking the comments on this video, but I recently bought a bowdrill fireset, made of pine, but when I use it, I manage to get dust but it just comes out of hole and piles up around the spindle I assume I'm using too much pressure?
I'm actually getting a LOT of smoke and dust, but it just doesn't seem to form an ember
Without watching you perform your bow drill friction fire I can not say for sure what is going on but I do have a guess. If you are getting dust piling up around the spindle you apparently do not have a notch cut out for the hot dust to collect in. You need a notch cut into the hearth board to intersect the hole in a wedge shape that is roughly 1/8th of a full circle. The point of the wedge should not quite reach the center of the divot that you are drilling in. If you DO have a proper notch cut out and you are still getting hot dust piling up around the spindle then I am guessing that perhaps you ARE using too much pressure and are grinding the fibers out faster than they can be heated sufficiently. Pine is not ideal friction fire wood. It can be used but in my experience the conifers that we have at least, are more suitable for more advanced users. Yes try lightening up on the pressure especially at first. If you are hearing squeaking coming from the set as you are using it then bear down slightly harder just until the squeaking backs off. Then try continued drilling until you are getting a good level of smoke and are seeing black dust being produced before slowly increasing pressure. Once your notch is filled with hot dark dust up to the bottom of the spindle, there is probably no need to increase the pressure much but instead increase speed. If you did everything right you should not need to use increased speed more than 20 complete out and back bow strokes before you have an ember. Good luck and hope this helps.
I think that is exactly what I was doing wrong!! Going to give it a try as soon as I can. Thanks
That was the easiest I have ever seen that done! Can’t wait to try it when we go camping,
thanks as always
It’s pretty hard I suck 😂😂🃏😩😩😩 Iv been watching and trying nothing yet but I won’t stop!!! Just like with my honemade music I make in the woods literally
Very good information Lonnie. Maybe it's not a difficult as I think when using the proper material and technique. Thanks for sharing!!
'mornin, Lonnie & Connie; Always a pleasure watching & Learning from ya ! Trial & Error But I didn't give up ! Took a spell but Got It in the end. Scratch 4 Buck ! ATB Ter God Bless
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Oh! Thanks for explanation, I was like almost get it myself before though.
Thanks. That's the best how to make fire video I've seen.
Haha! Lonnie made that look easy AND talked through the whole video lol. I see guys that definitely look like they're working to hard and wasting a lot of energy with a bow drill. If you're struggling and grunting in your video and can't talk because you're wrenching down on that bow drill, that's probably the problem. I see tons of UA-camrs doing that. Practice makes perfect and patience is a virtue.
Another great video. I was unsuccessful in my first attempts. This has gotten me back on track. Thank you. Nice snow, 47 in the Knik River valley last week.
All of your videos are amazing. I love learning new things amd you are just like my uncle Lonnie who passed away. He always showed me neat survival tricks and how to alaways be prepared. Keep on rocking Mr. Lonnie
never tried the bow drill I have 3 ways to make fire the ferro rod magnifying glass works real good and uco matches like 75 storm proof matches I have multiple ferro rods in my pack it's usually warm and the magnifying glass works real good I was horsing around the other day with it and got the stick going (fire) very nice boss looks cold up there
Lonnie you and your friends are some of the classiest guys I've ever seen. I know some people may not understand my comment, but I believe class is shown in how you live. Thank you for all your hard work I really appreciate it!!!
Totally thought you put a picture of Gandalf lighting a pinecone in the thumbnail. I had to go back and check to see that it wasn't. :P Thanks for the advice btw!
Lonnie, you rock! Using your instructions, I made a bowdrill set. I failed the first attempt to get an ember. Came back next day, reworked the bow and spindle (based on rewatching your videos) and got an ember on the first attempt. Got one on the second attempt. Quit while I was ahead.
You are a great teacher. I look for a video by you whenever I want to learn anything bushcraft related.
I've watched many of your vids. Looking forward to watching all the rest.
Thank you, and bless you and Connie and Buck(?). I hope this year brings you all the best in health, prosperity and happiness.
You have made some great points. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I agree with success being the goal. Some people try and rush the process and some things can't or shouldn't be rushed. Thanks to you and Connie. Take care.
Lonnie, can you please send some of that snow south to Seward? I'm tired of looking at my grassy lawn. :) LOL Stay warm, brother!
"So next we'll move on to applying more pressure so can form an ember. Whoops, I accidentally made fire before I could finish the lesson." - Lonnie
You know, the man that just can't not succeed at making friction fire. lol
Nicely demonstrated and very clearly explained Lonnie. I'm thinking sometimes we just try to hard. Also that is my favorite board style.
and guys, check out jiujitsu2000 and survival Russia channels if you haven't. both of these guys are very knowlageable and expeirianced guys, jiujitsu does a lot different stuff than survival Russia, so be sure to hit both up. those two with Lonnie and Connie, you won't go wrong. stick with these three channels. they are all you need lol
Pressure and speed, too much too fast. copied this vid onto my phone so when I show other people they'll see what I mean, (guilty of the too much pressure part myself more times than I'll admit too, lol). I keep repeating to people trying to learn what my dad (and you also)say.......SLOW DOWN a little.
you are one of the few people who say bow drill shouldn't be exhausting BECAUSE you actually understand bow drill! speed and pressure is not linear or constant. it's like driving a car, you have to start with gear 1 and go from there. too much speed and pressure too soon results in burnt wood - like throwing raw meat into an overheated pan (charred outside, raw inside).
pressure is the only you can't really teach to others unless you are physically in the same space - everything else is possible to teach.
Greetings and respect from Hungary!
This guy is a legend
I know one master swordmaker. Quite an unusual guy, like these usually are. Skilled in many things, not just forging. You kinda reminded me of his answer to my question about how to make a pipe. "Well, that's simple. You take a piece of wood, some clay, and you make a pipe." And I mean that in the best way, since for me, this sentence kinda symbolises a certain attitude one needs for learining these techniques. Best wishes from Czechia!
I’ve never seen a more calm, relaxed bow drill fire. It excites me to keep trying. Thanks for sharing!
I know why I fail... I’ve never tried! Would you believe I just watch these videos for entertainment? I rarely get to go into the woods. One day when my daughter gets older and we can go camping together, we will try to make fire with a bow drill.
Thank you Lonnie
The zen of fire. Well done!
I always like to keep fire away from me. Don't know why... ;)
Thanks for another great video, C & L!
If it was a matter of survival & thriving,you would be my pick Lonnie.You couldn't ask for a better teacher.
I moved 15 years ago for work from the far north continental to the far south continental states and now live in the Sonora desert.Tree's of that caliber are not too common here.We do have an abundance of Ironwood,which i haven't had a lot of experience with yet.I may have to go a couple hours north to find some decent trees to get a set up.Hey thanks for your tutelage,appreciate it.
Thank you Lonnie for teaching me some very valuable lessons that I’ve put to use. Also want to thank Your better half Mrs. Connie Far North Bushcraft for the quality camera work and both of you for your time & energy it takes to make these videos! You know your good when you make an ember without even wanting one yet! 👍🏼 👌🏼 Take care & God Bless to you and yours!
You seem like such a great guy. Thanks for taking s much of your time teaching us so many useful skills. I love backpacking and I will go out for days to weeks at a time alone in the mountains. Nothing makes me happier. So I like having some backup skills at my disposal should the situation occur where I need them.
Ah ha! That’s the trick. I get frustrated more times then not when attempt after attempt fails. Even when I get a lot of dust. Then I run out of steam before I get my ember. I will have to try this out. I just figured it was because I was a woman and didn’t have the upper arm strength to keep going. Thanks for the tips! You are so knowledgeable and thank you for sharing it all and helping others to learn!
I should go practice this tomorrow. Train in winter to survive in winter! What did you lube your spindle and socket with? Bear grease? Take care.
It is a good feeling knowing that as long as I have my knife, I can make a fire anywhere here in Alaska. Anywhere where there are trees that is. Once you learn the skill, it will be the same for you there in the Yukon territory. To "lube" my spindle in this video, I used spruce needles. It works well.
Far North Bushcraft And Survival do you use dry or green spruce needles?
I use the fresh green needles immediately plucked off the tree prior to using them.
I applied what you said with slower speed and pressure and I had 3 embers in a row. The first time I have been successful!! THANK YOU!!
Bushcraft 'N Fun You don't know how much that means to me to hear people say that my videos helped them succeed at some skill or another. That is awesome to hear of your success. Way to go.
AWESOME VIDEO! Thanks for sharing! PEACE!
Thank you Lonnie. And Connie. It's funny how I say what you say before you say it. I'm surprised our paths haven't crossed yet. Maybe someday in the future
Careful with the beard! Kept expecting it to burst into flame along with your tinder...
I've never tried a friction fire before but you give me confidence to try, thank you 😊
I think you are the calmest person I ever saw use a bow drill to make fire. Usually people go into a frenzy. Great tips, thanks for sharing.
Thanks Lonnie that really helps. Just be careful with that beard. I thought it was smoking too.
I agree; I have found in teaching this I will choose not a real soft wood at first like yucca, sotol, etc. since students will bear down too hard with it even though you tell them not to. Cedar, cottonwood, aspen, etc. have been better for them to start with and I still have to emphasize like you were saying to start slow, get a rhythm, and then you can increase the speed and pressure later.
very informative. ,thank you.
Thank you Brother for another great helpful video...Allot of my knowledge came from your great channel.
Great video brother! alot of good information. I think your right, too many people get hung up on speed and forget that it will come later after they have had the success.
Whatever you do; never let Beavis and Butthead watch this vid. So many innuendos.
Good points by the way. I've never had bow drill success. Encouraged to give it another shot.
Yes sir, had issues with palm. Would eat through the hearth before ignition, practice makes perfect.
Fabulous & Insightful analysis... who woulda thought?!!!
If you are ever in the deserts of Az., get some Sajuaro ribs from a dead one. 10 strokes to ember. Use for fire board and the drill... Thanks, Lonnie...
Great demo and advice Lonnie! Have a nice Weekend! Sepp
Thanks for another great video! Very useful information!!!
most of all show Lonnie and Connie the deepest love for the work they do. they are pillars in our community. they bring us real dependable knowlage we can count on.
You explained about the pressure well. Thank you so much. God bless you and Connie. 👍😝