Why Dr. Shawn Baker (King of Carnivore) Added FRUIT to his Diet
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0:00 - Intro
0:23 - Grass-Finished Meat Delivered to Your Doorstep
1:26 - Why Shawn Added in Fruit to His Diet
4:47 - Lean Mass Hyper-Responder (LMHR)
8:09 - Glucose Spikes From Exercise
10:07 - Adding Fruit to Carnivore Diet | Benefits of Fruit
15:28 - Shawn's Diet Before Carnivore
16:48 - Thomas' Carb Intake
18:20 - Combining Fats & Carbs
20:45 - Physique of Our Ancestors - What Are We Designed To Do
22:20 - Humans Are Omnivores
23:41 - Best & Worst Cuts of Meat
27:00 - Doing Carnivore Without Red Meat
28:29 - Where to Find More of Dr. Baker's Content
![Carnivore Doctors Battle [Is Fruit & Honey Carnivore?] Paul Saladino](/img/n.gif)
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what's up with the rounded shoulders/bad posture? with these heavy lifters?
Great video! What I could summarize as core ideas:
*Reason for Adding Fruit:* The inclusion of fruit was part of an experiment related to the "lean mass hyper-responder" theory and the lipid energy model. This theory suggests that in a low-carb state, cholesterol levels can vary based on carbohydrate intake. By adding fruit (specifically apples), Dr. Baker aimed to see if this would affect his cholesterol levels. However, he observed no significant changes.
*Experiment Outcome:* Dr. Baker noted no difference in his cholesterol levels after adding fruit to his diet. He speculated that his body composition at the time might not have been lean enough to see an effect. He also mentioned experiencing some gut irritation from the fruit, leading him to discontinue its inclusion.
*Broader Perspective on Diet:* Despite being a strong advocate for the carnivore diet, Dr. Baker is not dogmatic about it. He emphasizes experimentation and finding what works best for individual health and fitness. He acknowledges that he occasionally diverges from the strict carnivore diet.
*Lean Mass Hyper-Responder Explained:* This concept, developed by Dave Feldman, identifies individuals with specific cholesterol and triglyceride levels in a low-carb state, suggesting a possible protective effect against heart disease. However, Dr. Baker stresses that more research is needed to fully understand the implications of high LDL cholesterol levels in healthy individuals.
*Personal Observations on Carbohydrates and Performance:* Dr. Baker discusses his experiences with carbohydrate consumption in relation to physical performance and recovery. He suggests that while carbs can enhance performance, their impact varies widely among individuals, depending on factors like underlying health issues and personal goals.
*Carbohydrates for Athletes:* For athletes or highly active individuals, Dr. Baker acknowledges the undeniable performance benefits of carbohydrates. However, he advises moderation and consideration of personal health and dietary tolerance.
*Nutritional Nuances of Meat:* The discussion touches on the quality of meat, including the benefits of grass-fed and pasture-raised options. While Dr. Baker supports regenerative agriculture for environmental reasons, he notes that health outcomes between grain-fed and grass-fed meat consumption are not significantly different in his observation.
*Fish and Other Protein Sources:* Although the focus is often on red meat, Dr. Baker doesn't dismiss the value of fish and poultry, suggesting that a variety of protein sources can be beneficial.
*Conclusion:* Dr. Baker highlights the importance of individual experimentation with diet. He stresses that while the carnivore diet works well for many, it's crucial to remain open to adjustments based on personal health needs and performance goals.
@@KristianGerardit's the same thing that many people in many walks of life have, but not these two. I'd explain it to you but the question wasn't genuine, now was it? I see all your comments are kinda shitty and whiney and that your connective tissue is too loose to gain that kind of muscle.
Baker went from being a circus carnie to a fruit, lol
A more honest title for this video would be : S. Baker added fruit to his diet for a week as an experiment and STOPPED, felt worse for it... no change in the gym and upset GI tract, and back to full carnivore after a week..... Your titles implies he is now eating fruits for good, which is totally FALSE...
Thomas has many times come to the comments section to apologize for using clickbait titles. He's stated that it is necessary for the views, though he hates doing it. Yadda yadda. =D It was entirely believable though, that this could happen given that Saladino did actually do that on a permanent basis.
Thomas is a tool. I can’t believe people listen to him. He has nothing to say so he says anything for clicks.
So deceitful. 😂
It's called a headline, you have to go into it to find the whole story. I had no problem guessing the scoop.
Clickbait!
There was a story not long ago about a guy who was floating around in the ocean in a life raft for months. He began catching fish but discarded a lot of the 'gross' parts that did not look appealing to him. After some time, he noted that he began to crave, for reasons unknown to him, the fish's eyeballs. Like, he suddenly was attracted to them and he had strong urges to eat them. Long story short, his body naturally identified the need for Vitamin K, and instructed his body to crave it. I treat my carnivore diet in this way. If I crave beef, or chicken, or bacon, one day over the other, I go with it. I noticed my I had daydreams about strawberries and blackberries, and I took that as a hint. Whenever I crave them, I have a little. This happens to me with honey sometimes too. My body is telling me what it needs, and I roll with it. I feel a lot better as a result.
Hmm, it's probably true but personally I have to be careful with that. Otherwise I would end up eating Oreo and potate chips all day long.
I can never do honey, as that would send me into a bad area of eating more sugar, but if it works for you and makes you feel better, that is the ONLY thing that matters. :-) Great work.
@blubblurp You should begin with the protein and then with natural sweets like honey and fruits. After your body get enough protein it wouldn’t want to eat lots of sweets. There are studies which show that body needs specific amount of protein daily. If you eat meat, eggs, … first your body doesn’t ask for other foods in big amount. If you begin with chips (as example) the body want to eat so much from that till the needed amount of protein ist filled up. As the amount of protein in chips is low you must eat lots of them to get the protein your body needs. Look into “mood cure”
I added sugar to my chicken barbecue marinade and let it marinate for 8 hours. It tastes so delicious!
Vitamin C is a thing.
Great video! A quick summary:
*Reason for Adding Fruit:* The inclusion of fruit was part of an experiment related to the "lean mass hyper-responder" theory and the lipid energy model. This theory suggests that in a low-carb state, cholesterol levels can vary based on carbohydrate intake. By adding fruit (specifically apples), Dr. Baker aimed to see if this would affect his cholesterol levels. However, he observed no significant changes.
*Experiment Outcome:* Dr. Baker noted no difference in his cholesterol levels after adding fruit to his diet. He speculated that his body composition at the time might not have been lean enough to see an effect. He also mentioned experiencing some gut irritation from the fruit, leading him to discontinue its inclusion.
*Broader Perspective on Diet:* Despite being a strong advocate for the carnivore diet, Dr. Baker is not dogmatic about it. He emphasizes experimentation and finding what works best for individual health and fitness. He acknowledges that he occasionally diverges from the strict carnivore diet for experimental reasons.
*Lean Mass Hyper-Responder Explained:* This concept, developed by Dave Feldman, identifies individuals with specific cholesterol and triglyceride levels in a low-carb state, suggesting a possible protective effect against heart disease. However, Dr. Baker stresses that more research is needed to fully understand the implications of high LDL cholesterol levels in healthy individuals.
*Personal Observations on Carbohydrates and Performance:* Dr. Baker discusses his experiences with carbohydrate consumption in relation to physical performance and recovery. He suggests that while carbs can enhance performance, their impact varies widely among individuals, depending on factors like underlying health issues and personal goals.
*Carbohydrates for Athletes:* For athletes or highly active individuals, Dr. Baker acknowledges the undeniable performance benefits of carbohydrates. However, he advises moderation and consideration of personal health and dietary tolerance.
*Nutritional Nuances of Meat:* The discussion touches on the quality of meat, including the benefits of grass-fed and pasture-raised options. While Dr. Baker supports regenerative agriculture for environmental reasons, he notes that health outcomes between grain-fed and grass-fed meat consumption are not significantly different in his observation.
*Fish and Other Protein Sources:* Although the focus is often on red meat, Dr. Baker doesn't dismiss the value of fish and poultry, suggesting that a variety of protein sources can be beneficial.
*Conclusion:* Dr. Baker highlights the importance of individual experimentation with diet. He stresses that while the carnivore diet works well for many, it's crucial to remain open to adjustments based on personal health needs and performance goals.
Great to follow !! Thanks
Thank you for taking the time❣
Thank you!!!
Excellent - thanks!!!💖
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
Been a keto/carnivore for a few years now and Dr Baker's guidance on that journey was instrumental. I tell everyone that Dr Baker saved my life and I mean it.
Context?
Do you have a list of severe food intolerances and/or have you been morbidly overweight?
Will you stick to the carnivore diet for life or will you re-introduce certain vegetables/fruit if possible?
@@MaxMustermann-lr8dd Was 401lbs, taking heavy dose opioids for 12 years, severe psoriatic arthritis and only able to walk a few steps at a time. This was all due to a long term severe psoriasis caused by a severe infection.
I had been extremely healthy and strong when I was young.
I adopted a keto WOE for about a year and lost over 100lbs, quit the pain killers cold turkey against medical advice, began taking 5-10 steps at a time and increased activity as I was able. This was due to Thomas here, Dr Ken Berry and Dr. Baker and the information they gave.
Adopted a carnivore/keto 80/20 WOE with seasonal adjustment and have been as lean as 175lbs at 10% body fat. I normally walk around at 185lbs and 12% body fat these days.
Resumed Jiu Jitsu instruction and walk an average of 5-10km a day.
Currently down a peg waiting for a few repairs from a screwed up heavy lift at work that tore my hip up.
Nonetheless I have a treadmill and stepper and a few other health and fitness tools I can use in one room and I will be back and better than ever.
As of now my diet is mostly beef, eggs, plain yogurt with occasional blueberries or raspberries in the yogurt.
I'm 57 and 6 foot.
That's the short version of the story.
In what way did Doc Baker save your life ?
@@mooncat.787 The advice he gave prompted me to adopt a carnivore WOE which was extremely effective in reversing severe medical issues I had been facing.
What do you eat when you’re keto? Thank you.
Holy shit. Thomas, you're nailing it with these 30 mins interviews these days. You're having everyone on, love it!
I just want to add if anyone wants to study me in a carnivore study I’ll be up for it. You can load me up on ice creams and potato chips till I have close to metabolic syndrome. Then I’ll go on carnivore and you can record the changes. After all I’ve done it before 😂
He is only nailing with click baits
@@elenab5781 Yep, so much so Dr Baker made a video of explaining what really went on.
I eat fruit every third or fourth day on the days I'm going to train. Definitely gives me extra jam in the gym. And then go back to carnivore for repair and recovery. It's working fabulously.
Apart of recovery is resupplying your muscles with glycogen. 80% of muscle tissue is water and carbohydrates. Eat more fruit
This is literally the key. Mini-carb cycles with 90% of diet coming from carnivore. It's simple
I do a hit of honey before I go surf! I believe once you are fat adapted you can go in and out of fat burning easier.
I like how yt deleted my comment about fruit 🤦♂️
@@mediaistheviruswhat did u say ?
♥️♥️♥️Dr. Baker! Thank You for this wonderful opportunity to help us with this important issue👍
Thanks Thomas for another great interview. I started following Shawn's work in 2017 I went carnivore for a year and lost 30 kgs. While its not a huge amount of weight it had lifechanging effects clearing up a number of allergies asthma, eczema, hay fever and sinus. I'm now a nasal breather instead of a mouth breather giving me a good nights sleep most nights. Nowadays I tend to go between intermittent carnivore and keto.
We live in an area of the Wide Bay, Queensland, Australia in which a great amount of avocados, macadamias and blueberries are grown and I incorporate these with our homegrown meat, chicken and eggs. Any allergy flare ups and I revert back to carnivore immediately then slowly bring whole foods back in. This combined with intermittent fasting long distance mountain biking and resistance training has me felling the best I've ever felt in my 55 years.. While I live with depression every day of my life this lifestyle and a good nights sleep really has had the most profound effect on me as long as I stick to it. Modernity really was slowly killing me. Thank you Shawn Baker.
Are you still depressed on a carnivore diet?
“When Jesus spoke again to the people, He said, ‘I am the Light of the World. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness but have the light of life.’” (John 8:12)
Ahh I miss Hervey Bay. The meat was so much cheaper there! We pay crazy prices in Cairns. Beautiful Little Town too!
@@AdityaSawdekar yes I battle the black dog on a daily basis however focusing on exercise, nutrition and sleep especially nasal breathing has changed my life. Sugars and carbohydrates really do play havoc with my mental health and you cant beat a carnivore reset.
@@meincraft6015 Amen 🙏
Thomas you’re such a pro. The quality of interviews and wealth of information. I salute brother. Thank you for your contribution in such a competing space!💪🏾
Great conversation! Two icons in the wellness world. I'm turning 70, have been Carnivore for 5yrs come July....after being gluten-free for over 20yrs, then grain-free for few yrs. Carnivore has been life changing. My allergies of 48yrs disappeared 3yrs into CV. But, I will always say that if humans would just cut out all processed foods, eat animal protein/fats, fruits and veggies, big medical would go out of business. We need to get on the page of doing what's right for each individual. If Vegans want to eat Vegan, if Carnivores want to eat Carnivore, so be it. Stop bashing each other about how we choose to eat that we feel is right for us, at that moment. In the summer, I eat some fruit, only what is in season. And I pick low oxalate fruits, because all those darn high oxalate superfoods did a number on me. I'll be dumping oxalates till I move onto greener pastures.😅
What are low oxalate fruits ?
Wow! Great interview and mucho info...thanks to both of you.
Personally, I ONLY add avocado, feta and camembert cheese to an otherwise full carnivore routine and it works like a charm for weight maintenance/ loss. It is the optimal way of eating for ME and I love it. No cravings at all.
But if it is a hot day and I want watermelon or tangerines, I'll have some. It's not the end of the world 😉
@@andygodwin5965Why, because they found something that works for them?
So you do get cravings then as you want watermelons and tangerines 😊
Thomas, great interview. Keep up the good work. I tried carnivore for a couple months and my workouts suffered. I was just tired. I added 3-5 pieces of fruit a day and some raw honey and i feel much better. My workouts are better and i am sleeping better.
It can take quite a while to become adapted to fat burning.
I have heard of others doing this. I think it can take two to three weeks to properly adapt to fat burning but not 2 months!! I think probably that not all folks suit full carnivore. I think for the majority keto is enough..keto and AIP foods only if your autoimmune issues are extreme. Fruit seems an odd choice though since it is generally high carb but I guess whatever works for you personally!
Before anyone else comments on me being "fat adapted" I have done keto for over a decade. I am fully aware of all the ins and outs of the ketogenic diet, carb cycling etc. pure carnivore just did not work for me.
Humans would have access to carbs seasonally so it makes sense. Plus humans are not designed for endurance or continued exercise so it makes total sense that they need a new solution.@@bobsundquist2039
How much protein were you getting? You need enough protein for gluconeogenesis to supply you with the Glycogen you need. Typically people working out hard on Carnivore need a bit more protein. I do A LOT of exercise and find that 2.3 to 2.5g of protein per kg of bodyweight is my sweet spot.
He’s always been a big proponent of doing what works for you type of mindset. He’ll have his template of diet that he likes and works for him. It takes an evolved thinking individual to be able to “experiment” with different variables as one wishes viewpoint and not think only his way is the only way. Dr. Baker has been steadfast that certain autoimmune diseases and other ailments from his own experience and feedback from others that the carnivore diet works best in these situations. Very insightful!!!
This is so true!
How come he mocks vegans and vegetarians all the time?
@@whiterook3114does he really? Or does he sit back and allow them to expose themselves?
@@whiterook3114 He mocks certain vegans not all because just like any group there are some zealot wing nuts who either spout crazy stuff or mention his name. You’re welcome. You had nothing better to do than ask that?
With your defensive tone I’ll go out on a limb and say you’re vegan. Bigger things in life to get worked up about.
so.. basically people will experiment until it evolves into .. wait for it.. A NORMAL HEALTHY BALANCED DIET!?
Awesome interview video I enjoy watching you both we been did keto for 2 years and now doing carnivore for 2 months now
Nice
I think its hard to go wrong with meat eggs berries and other fruit like avocado and dairy and working out a few times a week. My IBS only kicks my ass when I eat junk/fast food and man is it not worth the pain. Even coffee is fine so long as I make it at home.
Is it really that specific? Your case should prove to ppl who think Starbucks is fine, or the occasional McDonald's is fine, but really it is not!
@@jeniferjohnson374 Starbucks might as well be slinging crack. Caffeine + a huge sugar load is about as addictive as it gets.
Eggs and dairy is THE worst food you can consume...Red Meat Potato Salads us the best of all..
@@anuragmandal4442 though eggs, next to breast milk have been shown to be the most bioavailable complete food.
@@anuragmandal4442Demonizing specific whole foods, like eggs and dairy, is not accurate, nor is it productive because everyone is different. You mention potatoes being healthy, but for some, potatoes are problematic. I personally eat Japanese sweet potatoes every day, and they are fine. It is important to keep in mind that there is no one way fits all when it comes to nutrition. The only thing that can be said with certainty is that ultra-processed foods and added/refined sugar/sugary foods are problematic for every human. ❤
Shawn Baker is not an ideologist I like that.
maybe "dogmatist" instead of "ideologist"
....i get your point though
pretty sure they meant idealogue@@sekaniyahimba354
I absolutely love how both of these guys lack the dogmatic views that I so often see on the carnivore facebook pages........and one thing that's so ironic about it is that Shawn Baker is considered by many to be the start of the carnivore diet, or at least the recent popularity of it. I think it would do us all some good to at least listen to new ideas that arise concerning diet and at least give them some legitimate consideration. .
SEAN is a legend !!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks , Thomas for this excellent short video
Clickbait central.
I’m eating meat and 1 apple a day. I feel amazing. As long as it’s a small amt of fruit it is great. 3 weeks in I feel amazing
When do you eat the apple? As a seperate meal or before your meal ?
I have done this, too, but to prevent oxalate dumping. It’s worked. I hope I can get to straight Carnivore at some point for healing.
Good for you! It's mainly meat for me, with a bit of fruit. Every day. Love it.
Wow. Shawn Baker has been my go-to doc for a couple of years now. What a nice surprise collab!
He has a YT channel
@@BlacFireSan yes he's the real deal. Watching him has taught me much.
Dr Baker is so sensible and open minded when it comes to individual dietary choices, best in the Carnivore space IMO, nutrition science is so problematic. I am 64 and a couple of months into Carnivore and have been experimenting, recently added a glass of Goats milk in the morning and feel fine, N = 1.
Goat milk is Carnivore 😊
Good for you. You don't need anyone's permission to drink goat milk. Drink away.
I tried adding fruits to my diet after 6 months of being carnivore with mixed results. Initially I tried apples and bananas, and they wrecked my gut. I replaced them with in season citrus fruits and berries, and I've never felt better in my life. I think people who are willing to experiment fruits might benefit from trying different kinds to see which actually work for them.
Same. Berries are the best fruits. Some citrus is fine too. Funny how Paul Saladino gets a lot of hate from strict carnivores for eating oranges. It’s not a religion folks 😂, eat what’s optimal for you.
@TheToplessChef-hf5eb, It *is* like a religion for some people. That’s the problem.
I just don’t enjoy fruit . I might eat an avocado but I don’t enjoy fruit in general
Try cooking apples to destroy pectin. In general, cooked fruit is much easier to digest, though I don't like bananas.
@@Kwildcat13 I used to not enjoy them, but I was having electrolyte issues that went away when I added them.
Shawn Baker is right about one thing: no one is coming to save you.
The 3 letter agencies are out to get you. 😊
People never should have put so must trust in their physicians
My moma's coming to save me
Jesus Christ already did.
Jesus
meat and fruit diet is the absolute best human diet in my humble opinion. Never looked/felt better
You should try it without the fruit
Felt horrible without the fruit@@YourLifeRedefined
If you're still metabolically F'd up, fruit isn't going to be a good addition
@@ZyklonBeast12probably. Strict carnivore is great for healing but fruit should be based on seasons. Fasting is best as well because our ancestors didn't always have access to fruit and hunting takes a lot of energy.
Maybe, maybe not. From what I've understood it's mainly down to lower caloric intake driving protective factors. Eating whole foods that are satiating makes that much easier.
Fat and protein is satiating, but so is sheer volume. There's a point to look at saturated fat as a factor as well. There's sort of an S curve so below say 8% of caloric intake has no increased risk and 12% maxes out the added risk. Going beyond that by eating ground beef every mean, while being in a healthy caloric range and lean is probably still far healthier than one that has below 7% but is fat off of processed food, eating 3500 calories a day and sedentary.
Wow, this was a fantastic talk! I've followed both of you for years glad to see this! Great information.
Love to see Dr. Ford Brewer in this interview format. His knowledge of cholesterol and inflammation is really informative.
I like how everyone in comments are going hysterical about him trying fruit and havent even watched video
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
This. Everyone is commenting without watching. Especially the vegans LMAOOOO
Well he's also clear on that we're omnivores and that everyone should do what works best for them. But strict carnivore is a really good starting point while trying to figure out what foods specifically you might have a problem with. And then add in whatever works, whatever variety you can handle is probably a good thing, if not for health alone but also to enjoy a wider range experiences.
I don't think the vegans have arrived yet,there's 0 downvotes on the video.@@Niners4life510
He emphasized it's more for performance not necessarily a health thing
What a well spoken man😊loveeee his personality! Information is sooooo digestible.
I've been on the Carnivore diet for 25 plus years, you have no idea the heat I took for it back then but I listened to my body and did what felt best for me. It resolved so many health issues that I didn't really care what people said and though I always feared I would die young as a result I'm now 50 and feel like I've held up better than 95% of people my age. It's been very interesting for me to watch this catch on the way it has as it was a huge learning curve for me with nobody to talk with about it.
Great conversation - thanks!
I did carnivore for 90 days. Lots of high fat beef steaks, ground beef etc. I was adding plenty of salt. It was okay for a little while, but i started nonstop cramping, my sleep was horrendous, i had major heart palpitations and ended up in the ER with dangerously low potassium levels. Some people can do pure carnivore and be okay, and do very well. Other people CANNOT. Adding a moderate amount of fruit changed EVERYTHING and I feel better than i ever have in life. Autoimmune skin conditions reversed, best energy and sleep of my life etc. Many of you will "just take electrolyte supplements" but then you wander into the exact same territory as the vegan dogma. "Just take b12 injections". NO the whole point of the food you eat is to get everything you need NATURALLY. Fruit is the answer for those who body cannot handle the extreme restriction. (I still believe in the benefits of pure carnivore depending on your situation, this just worked wonders for me)
What kind of lifestyle do you have with respect to sports or training? Most carnivores are ambush predators. Cats sleep 16 hours a day. Dogs sleep 12. If you’re going to try to be as strong as an ox or run like a mustang, then you probably are going to need carbs. But the average person doesn’t do that. The average person hates exercise for the sake of exercise. I have been low carb (50 g per day) since 1995 and near zero carb since 2020 (10 or less). I have never had issues. I am not an exercise freak although I was a really good athlete in my youth. I never could do exercise for the sake of exercise. I exercise minimally. Now I sprint per Dr Sean O’mara. I am 73 and very healthy for my age. My life expectancy was 66.5 when I was born. I have outlived many of my peers. And I have had good health. Doctors actually listen to me now.
I would argue that nuts are better than fruit. When I eat carbs, I eat pecans which are high in fat, medium in protein and low in carbs. But there are nuts that do have quite a bit of carbs. Nuts, when stored properly can be eaten for long periods, unlike fruit and it is more likely our ancestors consumed more of them for that reason.
It sounds as if you were low in electrolytes, not carbs. I’m not saying don’t eat fruit, but if you were low in potassium, then potassium is what was needed. There are carnivores who need electrolytes. Rebekah Heishman is an example. She has now started to add things back in, but due to health conditions she was pure carnivore for at least a year to heal her system. She always needed to take electrolytes, though.
Sounds like you already had a serious issue with your potassium levels before you started. Steak has plenty of potassium. Many people are trying carnivore because they are sick. My sister has an autoimmune disease that would flare up instantly if she ate fruit. Most people today have some type of metabolic dysfunction. Metabolic dysfunction can mess up all kinds of stuff until your body heals and starts working correctly. It can take up to a year to truly convert your system to running efficiently on the carnivore diet. There is a unique process each person is going to go through with their conversion. As your body heals and dumps the garbage that has been stored in your fat stores, you might need extra electrolytes. If you exercise a lot you might need more electrolytes. Taking electrolytes helps many in the conversion process. There is nothing dogmatic about taking electrolytes. I found them helpful during the first 6 months and didn't need them after that. Do what works for you, but "NATURALLY" is not an option for many people.
I have to have the collagen, or I feel exactly how you've described. The cramps suck. 😫
When you were carnivore, did you try adding Kiefer/dairy to your diet before going to bed? It seems like the carbs from that help me sleep better. Butter helps a bit also.
Nursing mum, I'm ketovore but have to eat some fruit to keep up my milk supply. 🤷 I see mums in carnivore groups saying they are having supply issues but if I say to eat fruit it gets deleted bc it's not carnivore. Well I'm sorry but nursing your baby is very important. I wish people were more open minded carni.
Carnis are indeed very close minded. I also tried to tell them that foods like fruit aren't going to harm them in moderation. But because they're so stuck to the idea of meat only and that anything is a plant is bad they wouldn't move. It's almost like a cult.
Nursing expends so many calories and if you make high fat milk like I did you’ll crave everything. For me it was grape juice. 😅 Eat what you need mama.
The most recent anthropological evidence shows that humans were hyper carnivores and that we ate more meat than hyenas and canines. But being a hyper carnivore is not the same as an obligate carnivore. The carnivore community today believes that we are obligate carnivores and that is where the confusion comes in. If ancient humans were only hypercarnivores, how much of their diet was not meat and what were the plants we ate?
@@davidgmillsatty1900 well I like to forage myself. I can find lots of raspberries, huckleberries, and blueberries in the wild. Seasonally of course.
I'm sure you have lots of peer reviewed studies showing how fructose and undigestable fiber helps women produce breast milk. 😂
BTW love how you're falsely claiming other women say the same thing as you when they absolutely don't.
great interview!
Awesome! A couple of my favorite content channels in the same place!!
This was brilliant; objective & balanced. Great discussion 🧐😎
Shut up
I'm mostly carnivore but I've always gravitated towards using berries in my greek yogurt.
Eating [full fat] greek yogurt with berries later in the evening helps me sleep too.
Full fat Greek yogurt with fruit is absolute 🔥
I agree with the full fat... also more filling and healthier
@@MastiffHeart always full fat
Yeah me too I agree. Full fat greek yoghurt with berries really helps me at night too. I always crave food at night and it's always something sweet I'm craving . Yogurt n berries really helps
Literally says FULL FAT in the comment
Great job, Thomas! You're getting more people on your channel that are of interest to me.
Hell yeah! Been looking forward to this one
Kind of a clickbait title. Dr Baker doesn't continually eat fruit. He did it for one week as an experiment. That's it.
That’s most annoying on these online pods🙈🙄
There is someone who can save you, Jesus already came to save you.
Great interview 👍👍
Definitely appreciate his honesty, and definitely appreciate that he can use carbohydrates strategically...
As a clinician, the healthiest people i ever saw were the Amish. Exvellent natural muscle developmwnt, natural tan, great cv function. They eat a varied diet including carbs, but meat eggs, cheese, etc is part of every meal. They also have a lifestyle that includes DAILY lifting, walking, pulling, climbing, and cardio. Every body part and muscle is worked everyday.
We'd all be better off leading an Amish lifestyle!
Of course this is the best.
I would say lot of native tribes are even more fit.
The only problem is, most people don't wanna live like that.
@@dawurzelsepp1473That's correct I " don't want to live like that " and die in my 60's .
I'd rather live like the SDA and their plant heavy diet , most centernerians in that demographic.😊
They may be healthy, but they have some ridiculous ideas for what they do. They don’t use buttons because they were worn by the Prussians who fought them a couple of centuries ago, and because they are too flashy, not plain enough.
You've never met a SDA ?
@@julienfroidevaux1143 Yes, I have, one of my doctor’s is SDA, they’re crazy, too! He was shocked when I told him I was going to go on Carnivore and hopefully heal.😂
Its simple. As a 3 year carnivore, i didn't join a cult. It has always been about optimal health for me. I know this is shared by many others out there? Is there a community? Yes. However, it's always been about horses for courses in my mind. This has always been an elimination diet, used in medicine for generations, before coming to the mainstream attention. Sometimes people just stick to this because it works and get everything we need, and sometimes people do it for a few months or longer before adding foods back in to check tolerance levels. I give glory to God for pointing me this direction. It has benefitted me greatly and I am blessed that there have been learned people out there with content such as Dr Baker's, Dr Berry's, and Dr Chaffee's, for information and guidance without the dogmatic approach.
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Yes, correct. It's just the exclusion diet. Or elimination, as you said. It really isn't that hard. I don't know why people get so worked up.
An issue with eliminating something from your diet and then adding it back in later to see how you react to it it is that when you add it back your gut most likely no longer has the bacteria to process it like it had before. So it's tough to tell if that particular food is an issue for you or your gut not having the proper bacteria in it to process it is the issue. Same way a vegan can become super sick when adding meat back into their diet. They can't process it like they could back when they ate meat so in the short term they'd think "well obviously meat is bad for me because it's making me sick" when in reality that's not the truth.
@Derek_1111 no worries. A good dietitian has it under control. You don't just gobble a bunch of the reintroduced food. You take a nibble and wait three or four days and on and on. It is a slow process.
@@Derek_1111 This is just speculation. The microbiome, and it's billions of strains of bacteria, is continually studied but not understood even by the experts that study it for a living.
great interview! hitting it out of the park lately! great interviews.
Great short interview, and that Dr. Shawn Baker experimented. I am a lean mass hyper-responder, however I think the issue is when you are super lean and have no reserves, and so if you get depleted you can get into real trouble. Yet I would also love to hear more on electrolytes and low potassium, potassium is underrated required for the heart. Many Carnivores talk on real salt yet this is higher in sodium - could potassium be a puzzle piece !!!
Meat has quite a bit of potassium in it naturally. Particularly the red meats, fish, and organs
@@Ryshaad yet carnivores often become depleted, curious
the more interviews i see the more I realize there is no one diet that is best for everyone and noone is even close tofiguring out the ideal diet
@@user-mi5wd7bg9ewhat is yours if you do not mind sharing ? Tysm
Tom your a great interviewer not interrupting allow guest to talk and smooth transitions great work
Great video guys thanks very much👍
Red meat, occasional bacon, eggs, beef bone broth, blueberries, raspberries, apples, oranges, occasional cheese, sparkling water, coffee, salmon, macadamia nuts, oysters, and 2% to full fat yogurt. I’ve been eating this way for over a year and feel great. No Alcohol. Supplements: omega 3, vitamin d, creatine, b complex, multivitamin, vital proteins collagen. Nothing more nothing less
Same!!! and I drink Kefir and eat liver from time to time
If you eat grass fed meat you probably get omega 3
If you're eating like that consistently, most of your supplements are completely redundant and unnecessary at best and could be preventing you from feeling better at worst. Save the money /shrug
I would eat bacon everyday if I could afford the shit.
Those supplements are harming you, not helping.
Dr. Shawn Baker - The King !
The comment section is full of people outing themselves as the type who only read headlines and ignore the actual video/article/study content.
Stop supporting clickbait stupidity
This, exactly 😂
lose the fruit
They are called a "Didn't Watch Hyper Responder"
It's a clickbait title with a clickbait thumbnail so those responses are warranted. It's not just the fact that Baker only tried to add carbs and isn't anymore. It's also the fact that the thumbnail says 100gs of sugar, when Baker said he added 100gs of fruit. Thats a huge difference.
Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride, creator of the GAPS diet and who is now amongst other things a regenerative farmer, said that many of her patients without access to the best quality meats recovered from their illnesses on these meats. She attributes that to the animal’s powerful detoxification systems.
BTW, on the GAPS diet for about 8 years, late 50s CAC of 0 in all arteries , total cholesterol above 200.
The key takeaways from Dr. Shawn Baker's discussion on adding fruit to his carnivore diet and his broader dietary philosophy include:
1. **Experimentation with Diet:** Dr. Baker's inclusion of fruit in his diet was an experiment to explore its impact on cholesterol levels, demonstrating his willingness to test and adapt dietary practices based on health outcomes rather than adhering strictly to dogma.
2. **Individualized Nutrition:** A central theme of the discussion is the importance of personalizing one's diet. Dr. Baker advocates for experimenting with different foods and dietary patterns to discover what best supports an individual's health and performance goals.
3. **Lean Mass Hyper-Responder Concept:** Dr. Baker explains this concept, which suggests that individuals on low-carb diets may exhibit specific cholesterol and triglyceride profiles. This idea contributes to a nuanced understanding of cholesterol's role in health, especially among those who are metabolically healthy.
4. **Carbohydrates and Athletic Performance:** While acknowledging the benefits of carbohydrates for energy and performance, Dr. Baker notes the potential for adaptation to low-carb diets among athletes. This adaptation may change their carbohydrate needs and utilization.
5. **Quality of Meat and Diet Flexibility:** Dr. Baker discusses meat quality, including grass-fed versus grain-fed, highlighting that significant health improvements can be observed with all types of meat. He promotes a practical approach to meat consumption that considers personal health, environmental impact, and accessibility.
6. **Health and Diet Philosophy:** Dr. Baker's approach is non-dogmatic, emphasizing health improvement and the efficacy of diets as primary concerns. He is open to dietary flexibility and encourages others to be experimental and find what works best for them, whether within a carnivore framework or through incorporating a wider range of foods.
7. **Nutritional Nuances:** The discussion underscores the complexity of nutrition science, particularly regarding cholesterol, dietary fats, and the interplay between diet, health, and athletic performance. Dr. Baker calls for a deeper understanding of these nuances to better tailor diets to individual needs and health outcomes.
Great! #thanks4sharing #carnivorewisdom #seektruth
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Thank you! We need more open minded nuanced thinkers like you in the world!
Meat, honey, and fruit isn’t “non-dogmatic” lmao
Or just listen to the interview.
For me fruit causes cravings. I want carbs, something sweet and I don’t even like sweets. I’m a salty crispy person. I am from Dr. Baker’s state and we live in the Yakima Valley where there’s just a ton of fruit. In fact we ship it to where Dr. Baker is from.. I do eat some strawberries from my own garden and blackberries. But I just nibble when I pick them, I don’t eat handfuls. And then, when watermelon comes in season of boy. It makes me want more and more. I found myself gaining weight last year when I was eating the fruit all summer. They always say moderation. Yeah, you can’t moderate carbohydrates because they actually cause cravings.
I too could eat watermelon all summer. I can’t moderate very well 😂
Yeah it was totally the fruit that made you gain weight...
@@robstrck8 ya. I can not moderate it. Good way of putting it
@@cyndimanka I think he's being sarcastic
Slippery slope... once I start the addiction kicks in.
Gotta love Dr. Shawn. dudes a beast especially at 60! looks awesome and strong af!
Thank you both for your honesty! This makes sense! I am a full blown diabetic and should never touch fruit again because my numbers shoot up to the sky but I am also not against all forms of carbs for every person. I have a husband that does great on carbs. He needs to watch other things, he is not overweight nor has he ever been at 58 now. He doenst overeat also ever maybe thats the answer. Thank you both!
Love fruit! Especially berries and red apples.
STOP your clickbait Thomas ! Shame on you for misleading ... Your content is good already, you shouldn't have to do that,,
He just love to make programs with people that end carnivorous lifestyle. The reason not to follow him
I tip my hat to Mr. Baker. It is not often to hear measured people about their own diet. Several times I noted that he stated that want he does, in terms of exercise and nutrition, is not necessarily the best way to go. But rather a choice. Very rational and educated speech backed up by a lot of experience.
Great job!
If i wouldnt have added foods back in, i would never know what wasnt working. Carnivore is always my reset when I have strayed too far or want longer fasts to go well
Same mentality here. Unfortunately whatever bothers me severly damages me fast & long =/
@@Dan0rioN Start with the foods you love. At least the pain will be worth it. I got took down by accidental margarine for a week and was so mad. Lol
Yeah same. As a diabetic sometimes I’ll start to stray off the course. It’s amazing how you add in a little sugar or white flour and your body treats it like a drug. You just crave it and your meat doesn’t taste as good. Then go a week back on the meat and you don’t crave the bullshit and your meat goes back to tasting better. The body is a weird thing
@@jenismith5429 It's not really about feeling addicted it's been more hydration & hunger/meat aversion so I've tried playing around with fruit/milk & adding potatoes for hunger/meat aversion.. I've also tried snacking on nuts for some periods.. Now I'm meat & raw veggies only.. Splash of milk in coffee
@@Dan0rioN mine isnt addiction either. I was heavily inflamed from many food allergies and was consuming problematic foods like tomatoes and strawberries daily. It took over a year introducing one at a time , but i now have my list of allergies.
If you haven’t had fruit in your diet for years. Why would you eat it every day??? Try 1x a wk then 2xs a wk? That’s just me. I would personally not add something daily that I haven’t eaten in years…
very interesting, thanks for this
5 days of apples is not an experiment. It really isn’t anything. Give it 30 days different fruits honey etc also different amounts and timing. How did you feel first 5 days of carnivore?
Exactly. 💯
It was an experiment to prove the bias he already has. Dr. Eric Berg recently posted a video detailing his two week experiment on the carnivore diet. Two weeks??? How do these folks not know, 30 days is a start. 90 days is a real experiment, a dietary change really needs to be done for 90+ days! =D
Yeah people in comments keep saying that Baker is not dogmatic unlike the community. In reality he's still a dogmatist, just a polite one.
I think the sugar is causing the joint pain. I notice that the next day if I go off carnivore.
Depending on how long you have been on carnivore will depend on your gut microbiome. You may have to add little by little and see if you react after a few weeks
@@themagicbeard9432true,you wont feel particularly great after adding meat when you have only plants your entire life. You need some time to expose.
I really like this interview
Been waiting for this one since Baker said he was in SoCal to film it
My 9 month old and I are carnivores (she is also breastfeeding). My three sons are ketovore, my husband is on his own diet with grains! I feel that we are all at our best at this point. It all evolved by our preferences. But I tell ya, my kitchen has been evolving quite a bit to accommodate our evolving family nutrition needs! I love it.
Last summer, ala Saladino, I ate a half of watermelon. So good. Half hour later my blood sugar was 187. I did some brisk walking (felt like a Tesla) and it came down to 120 at time of measurement. But the carb felt electric.
If you've been low carb for a long time, then you really should take it easy when adding carbs, your pancreas will not have any stored insulin and will take a while (30-60 minutes) to produce enough to start lowering your blood glucose
Great info
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17:30 if you have these slight more joint pains after carbs, I can highly recommend supplementing with MSM.
Personally all pains and faster recovery from taking 4x800mg per day, if I drop it down to 800mg or 2x800mg, I can start feeling the joint pains slowly creeping back in.
MSM is simply amazing.
Also combining with collagen, vitamin c and fish oil, but if I had to only pick 2 of these 4 supplements for joint and bone pain, I would take MSM and fishoil.
But I still do believe all 4 together creates an amazing synergy for joint and bone health and overall improved recovery from workouts.
I did this for awhile (carnivore+ fruit only).
My vody responded really well to this, vut the problem was psychological. Eating fruit always ended up triggering me to fall off the wagon completely. It would start with fruit and before long, I'm eating cookies and ice cream, and feeling like sh*t all over again.
Same
That's just being mentally weak. Sorry but that is just a fact. Reply with whatever over sensitive bs you want. I won't be reading it. Take care.
@@staytrue5307 Your reply was intended to be insulting, but was more confusing than anything. I don't understand, is it mentally weak not being able to handle the fruit along with the meat, without binging on crap? Or is it mental weakness to even stray from a proper carnivore diet in the first place?
Are you saying we should be mentally stronger and just eat meat + fruit without any other cheating? Or, are you saying we should be mentally stronger and just not stray from carnivore at all?
Some will claim the real weakness is being unable to handle anything but strict carnivore, that true mental mastery would allow for carnivore + fruit (or other "good" carbs). This school of thought would say you should be, immune to getting triggered by carbs, that you should be able to limit yourself to only the good ones, while still eating primarily meat.
Great video Tom!!! U can never go wrong with our super Dr. Baker!!! Very informative show!!! Started carnivore for the second time in March. All going well and have far more info for great success!!! Thank u and thank u Shawn Baker!!!💞💞🙃💞💞
Lean Mass HyperResponder That's my next new TShirt. Dr. Baker... I had to roll back the part of vide where you were working out in the gym.. (Several times) ! Great input! Ladies put on as much lean muscle as you possible can.
Fruit is an amazing whole food and a very pleasant way to add variety to carnivore. Most us us CRAVE variety.
You’ll find that if you eat fat and protein until it no longer tastes good then you’ll be satiated enough and lose cravings which are nutrient deficiencies that signal you to seek other foods.
I agree. I can happily fill my face on meat , eggs, fish, butter etc and feel fully satiated. However, i do enjoy some fruit occasionally. Berries especially and a few nuts.
I was keto/carnivore for three years and saw my free testosterone plummet . I added fruit and honey and saw it rise significantly.
Eventually I was having digestive issues and eliminated the fruit and now do 3 tablespoons of honey a day, two prior to my morning workout and one after I warm up an my first heavy set. I feel fantastic and my numbers are great.
Thanks for sharing your secret sauce!
I’ll eat honey not fruits
Just interested, you obviously checked for free testosterone but did you feel worse or was it some other effect of the diet that may not have been negative? I say this because all our measurements of what we are told levels of all things should be (like cholesterol) were all set on a standard diet.
The longer I was on strict Keto/Carnivore the flatter I began to feel and my strength was lagging. Add to that my Libido was diminished. It was also interesting that my fasting glucose was rising, particularly after a hard workout. Yes I’m aware of Gluconeogenesis.
Eventually I came across some information detailing the negative effects of a keto diet/ carnivore diet for some people. Out of curiosity I had my testosterone tested, and while my total was good, 750, for a 60 year old, my free was at the bottom of the normal range and my SHBG was high.
After I added the honey and fruit, I retested and my free was higher, SHBG lower and my fasting glucose down, particularly following a workout.
At this point I do three tablespoons of raw honey in the morning and wit very few exceptions that are my carbs for the day. It works for me, might not for others
For me the carnivore diet brings the testosterone level to 27 nmol/L but SHBG level is crazy high wt about 65 nmol/L (which is about double than the average level) and free testosterone of 15 pg/ml.
Once I introduce some carbs here and there (fruits, vegetables, some grains, potatoes) the SHBG goes to 30-35 nmol/L, total testosterone stays at 20-24 nmol/ L but my free testosterone goes to 20 pg/ ml.
For me the low carb diet is the best. I have some days when I am fully carnivore and some other days when I eat 100-150 g carbs, while rarely I eat pizza or something else.
Best video ever. Hands down.
Great interview. I need Dr. Baker’s shirt. 😂🤣😂💪
Zero carbs for 9 months. Cycled 5 centuries in 5 days, got stronger as the days went by with no problem with high intensity efforts.
You guys training and body building is totally non normal. You look great, but that might be the only great benefit. The crucial question is: How does this program end in health and longevity? How should more 'normal' people approach health and longevity? and does your individual experience even have any reflection relative to 'normal'?
We all do the experiments or have to see what is best ❤ Meat heals ! Nice collab ! Shared at USMC facilities ❤
Semper Fi
My theory is when Cholesterol goes "Up" for certain people it's actually a natural "protective" mechanism for the body because it's NEEDING that to provide protective functions inside the body.
Is that a normal sized hat on Shawn’s head?
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I added berries in to my diet because as a woman I simply do better hormonally with a little carb.
Great video
Nice t-shirt! 😊
I can't do apples and most fruit except for berries without gut issues. I am slowly adding things back to my diet to see what affects me. So far oatmeal seems fine and I will be testing cabbage and salad next.
Same here. It seems as if about a half cup of frozen blueberries is my limit from recent testing. Not only gut issues for myself but sinus congestion (leading to infections) also. Bananas are the worst for me as they are histamine liberators.
@@HeeersEllery Bananas and apples are the worst for me and they used to be my favorite. Guar gum and soy lecithen are actually the worst for me. They hit me in about 15 minutes. They are in 80% of processed foods.
I keep trying oatmeal but don’t feel well after but I need to gain weight . Bananas are fine . I add a little raw honey to homemade A2 milk yogurt.
@@M13x13M I have to use A2 as well. A2 makes good thick skyr.
I was doing carnivore for months and I wasn’t feeling as great as claimed by everyone. But then I added fruits and started feeling much better though there was alot of bloating . Now I have fruits in the form of juice without the fiber. And I haven’t felt this awesome in my life before. I hope fructose without fiber won’t be a problem as claimed by many . So far I feel great. :’)
Same boat as you. Strict carnivore for years but fruit juice, coconut water, raw milk and honey are great for long term hydration for athletes
Goes to show how different everyone is. I feel absolutely terrible with carbs but strict carnivore I feel great.
Fresh fruit juice without fiber shouldn’t be a major issue, I would definitely check glucose response with and without fiber
I'm not too sure but it kind of sounds like electrolytes are balancing out ...with keto carnivore and fasting depending on your kidney health balancing electrolytes can be insanely hard
Next step is to slowly add fibrous vegetables to your food :-) and slowly learn to eat a varied whole food diet! Which is optimal for almost everyone :-D
I LOVE how open-minded Thomas is! 💯💯💯
Shawn, diving into fruits after ruling the carnivore kingdom? Bold move. It’s like stepping into unknown territory to find what truly works. Reminds me of a principle from the Gospel - it’s not just about following what we’ve always known, but being open to the paths God lays before us, even when they’re unexpected.
Just like adding fruit to your diet, sometimes it’s the shifts in our routine that bring us closer to understanding greater truths. Paul had his road to Damascus moment; it completely changed his direction but not his ultimate goal. It’s about fine-tuning our lives and aligning more with the bigger picture God has for us.
Keep exploring, Shawn. In the end, it’s not just about physical health but aligning every part of our lives with the truths that stand the test of time.
Can some explain please: if we add carbs, we are out of ketosis. If we’re out of ketosis we need carbs for energy. So how many carbs should you add to your diet? Too much fat and carbs together is not a good idea I suppose. So if I add 100 gr for example, how much fat should I eat? It’s not going to be keto anymore, so I’m confused a bit. And If we add fruits, when do we eat it? Like separately from other food or after a meal?
To maintain ketosis, eat no more than 50g net carbs per day
It depends on your energetic needs.If you train hard and regularly then you can consume up to 100g of carbohydrates and maybe more and still clinically be in a ketogenic state.
My question is why would you want to be in ketosis? As opposed to switching in and out of it seamlessly!
I get anywhere between 40 to 80 carbs per day, which includes a wee bit of fiber, too. I maintain at least a 1:1 fat to protein ratio. My cholesterol leveled out and all numbers are great, so something is working correctly. And still losing, toning, feeling better and better each passing month.
You don’t need carbs for energy. Your liver will make all the glucose you need.
So just don't eat carb and be in ketosis? That way you get ketones and your body can make its own carb via gluconeogenesis.
Or just eat some carb 1 time a day, and after a while as the blood sugar is cleared out, insulin would come down and ketosis would take place for the rest of the day till the next time you eat carb.
This was one of my favourite episodes yet, learned alot and new ways to think about things
King of carnivore, with labs of an 87 year old to prove it
Can't be that bad if he's still breaking world records.
Love this community
Thomas what are the carbs your adding in to your diet? Would love to see what I eat in a day, it’s been awhile since you have shared that. Thanks-
Wow... went 30 minutes with shirts on... 👏