If you fight Demiurge on either a New or Full Moon, the fight is changed so that you can beat him without spamming Antichthon and praying RNG doesn't mess you up. Instead of constantly reflecting everything, he'll have a single weakness that will change every turn or so. He also won't go crazy with Big Bang and his buffed Diarama. The problem is that there's absolutely no hint whatsoever that this is the strategy.
@@Darth_Bateman Certainly. I've even completed it on the True Demon Ending. And you're obviously referring to the boss fight against Ongyo-Ki. In hindsight, I suppose it makes sense to fight a demon with a ninja motif with light, the enemy of shadows (during full Kagutsuchi). But with what logic is one supposed to figure out to use a similar strategy against Demiurge?
@blackorcshagrat8587 the demiurge is supposed to be a piece of an avatar of god that thinks of himself as the creator... so maybe he s referencing how kagutsuchi s the equivalent of moon phases in that game as well being an avatar of god?
@blackorcshagrat8587 he wasn't obviously referring to the oni fight he's talking about how moon phases or kagatsuchi phases are emphasised as having effects on demons. It may not be outwardly stated for the demiurge fight buts it's fair to say that during the important stages of the cycle it would effect all demons as its shown too. Even during negotiation some demons straight up seem high when talking
Technically not the same demiurge. The demiurge here is not actually Yaldaboath. I would have figured the whole Maia/illusion thing would have given it away.
Centurionzo 12 The guy didn't even want to be created in the first place. He had to invente the Universe all by itself, and still it had to be hidden by all people because it creator was to ashamed of how it turned out to be.
Yeah and humans kinda own his existence to him in the end of the day I can understand why he would be so pissed off when adam thanked eloheim instead of him for being born
It’s cool that Strange Journey is referencing Persona 5, years before it came out. Sad that they had to make the game take place in Antartica because Persona 5 hadn’t invented Japan yet.
The Demiurge is fragment/avatar of YHVH who got beaten out by Hitoshura and Lucifer during the true demon ending of Nocturne of whom Kagutsuchi was a mere infinitesimal of... Or at least this is what is implied
@@christopherbravo1813 So YHVH isn't actually related to Demiurge? Well it kind of makes sense since Demiurge literally B*tchslap Metatron which would be akin to him btfo his own servant lmao. I do know SMT is gnostic and from what I've read all of these supreme deity wannabes all seem to be avatars of The Great Reason/Axiom
Every demon is an ultimate demon, they just need a few things to make it so. For starters, in devil survivor overclocked, Naoya mentions that demons are stronger within their own universes. The Yhvh fought in smt 2 is apparently "Basic Yhvh" and the Yhvh fought in 4 apocalypse is "Ultimate Yhvh" and that's the case with every demon.
@@efrayen4497 Demiurge would make more sense in SMT V, I even had a plotline I came up with for Demiurge being sealed and being angered by the fact he was reduced to a mere Demi-God by his brother the Original Creator, and the Fruits of Knowledge once belonged to him, and that he wanted to use them for himself. And I even had the thought of Baal in SMT V destroying and taking Lucifer’s power in order to Unseal Demiurge from his prison to work alongside Baal, but instead Demiurge would kill Baal instead of working as Baal’s puppet. Thus absorbing all the Nahobinos except the MC, to reclaim what “was” rightfully his. I had a name for his Transcendent Nahobino Form being Primordial Demiurge, he would have access to a Skill called “Paradigm Shift” which he would be able to change his skill list and stats, the four things that would stay the same would be his skills “Big Bang” “Heavenly Strike” “Paradigm Shift” and “Energy Compression”
He is supposed to ''shift'' 1 elemental weakness (random) each turn-ish, but that rarely happened. By attacking it with elemental makes you see whenever its weak against a specific element. In the end, it's a waste of time bothering with elemental as this is a terrible ''hardest boss fight in the game'' and all you need is Almighty spam.
ATLUS is really good at making lame superbosses Whether it's needing incredibly specific requirements to win like Elizabeth in Persona 3 FES or long and boring battles like the Demi-Fiend....they're usually kinda lacking. I love the fuck out of the games but man they could be better.
Austin Douse demi fiend is literally the most fun i have had fighting a boss. When you come up with your own strategy its awesome. On the other hand just looking up a strategy kinda ruins the fight
@@NessKwik0 You literally have to build a specific way or you are guaranteed to die. Without Null Sleep, Gaea Rage *will* kill you and there is nothing you can do about it without it, as you can’t dodge it.
If you're not law aligned, he simply says that Mem Aleph is the true villain and if you fail to defeat her, he will defend humans instead, provided they all follow God
It's in Horologium, you know where you fight Mestama or Jimenez (depends on your route)? It's on the bottom right of the map, it takes you a floor up and that's where you find it.
I fought her in my Vanilla just make sure its New Game Plus located in Grus, basically 1/2 of sectors are parts of story while the other 1/2 is this the ultimate boss in Vanilla and Redux
I think that this is supposed Sophia, The Wisdom, the mother of the demiurge. She's ashamed of her creation, and pity mankind, thus she supposedly gave us sapience so we can break our chains from him and the material world, and return to the spiritual world, with her and her kind.
roamed the sixth floor dark areas several times, but still nothing. i got my forma search from A to C. the area is near the npc loki and a demon mention hidden floors right?
Its around there, you go stairs up, and back down, and back up, going through a teleporter that brings you 1 floor back where the forma is. Get the visualizer from Horologium to see the dark area.
Personally, either nocturne or strange journey. Nocturne has some pretty broken bosses and a lot of difficulty spikes while Strange journey, especially the original one, is just hard. Some dungeons are a bit hard (especially a certain dungeon in redux) and bosses as well as normal encounters (even lower level ones) can fuck you up easily if you lower your guard. It has the same thing as nocturne, light or dark insta kills have a high success rate and they hit pretty damn hard and both games, if im correct, are the only mainline smt games where the game is over if the protag dies
Billy Frost nocturne isn’t that hard on normal plus it’s easy to get demons and skills and magatamas that break the game fused almost midway through the game. Strange Journey is just plain hard with some real fuck you moments. I love both games to death though
@@poopoo-dk4hu Nocturne is grindy and I don't know why SMT fans love their games so much its so fucking grindy and has poor dungeon design it sometimes can feel like a chore to play Idk about SMT IV tho
You can only enter it with NG+, and have Door/Unlock/Enemy Search E. In Grus, the right side of the map where you see E1 is the entrance. gamefaqs.gamespot.com/3ds/204286-shin-megami-tensei-strange-journey-redux/faqs/59936 You have to go through a dungeon, and it's better to look that up online with maps as it has a lot of random teleports/traps.
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If you fight Demiurge on either a New or Full Moon, the fight is changed so that you can beat him without spamming Antichthon and praying RNG doesn't mess you up. Instead of constantly reflecting everything, he'll have a single weakness that will change every turn or so. He also won't go crazy with Big Bang and his buffed Diarama. The problem is that there's absolutely no hint whatsoever that this is the strategy.
I doubt there are any mythological explanations for that either.
@@blackorcshagrat8587 You ever play SMT Nocturne? The hint is Kagutsuchi
@@Darth_Bateman Certainly. I've even completed it on the True Demon Ending.
And you're obviously referring to the boss fight against Ongyo-Ki.
In hindsight, I suppose it makes sense to fight a demon with a ninja motif with light, the enemy of shadows (during full Kagutsuchi).
But with what logic is one supposed to figure out to use a similar strategy against Demiurge?
@blackorcshagrat8587 the demiurge is supposed to be a piece of an avatar of god that thinks of himself as the creator... so maybe he s referencing how kagutsuchi s the equivalent of moon phases in that game as well being an avatar of god?
@blackorcshagrat8587 he wasn't obviously referring to the oni fight he's talking about how moon phases or kagatsuchi phases are emphasised as having effects on demons. It may not be outwardly stated for the demiurge fight buts it's fair to say that during the important stages of the cycle it would effect all demons as its shown too. Even during negotiation some demons straight up seem high when talking
He got wrecked so hard in schwarzwelt he decided to go pick on a bunch of teens and a cat
And on Christmas eve no less.
But failed.....very miserably
but first he went under the masakado canopy to get his front-butt kicked by flynn
Technically not the same demiurge. The demiurge here is not actually Yaldaboath. I would have figured the whole Maia/illusion thing would have given it away.
Nah, thats Yaldabaoth, he's the final boss of Shin Megami Tensei NINE
You know Demiurge is a Jerkass but after I discovered his backstory, he is more of a Jerkass Wobie than a complete monster
Centurionzo 12 The guy didn't even want to be created in the first place. He had to invente the Universe all by itself, and still it had to be hidden by all people because it creator was to ashamed of how it turned out to be.
Goldar Rag
Yeah YHVH is a asshole....
So is Sophia, she basically deluded him and confused him because she was ashamed that she created him
Yeah and humans kinda own his existence to him in the end of the day
I can understand why he would be so pissed off when adam thanked eloheim instead of him for being born
It’s cool that Strange Journey is referencing Persona 5, years before it came out. Sad that they had to make the game take place in Antartica because Persona 5 hadn’t invented Japan yet.
Lmao
Well then again he has been around since the MMO game Imagine...
Some Guy Paragon don't think he was in that, i think he was in SMT Nine for the o.g Xbox as the final boss
He’s in Apocalypse
He’s in nine I’m pretty sure
@N. P. Nah, the final boss in NINE is Yaldabaoth
@N. P. Not in SMT, they both have different designs. I guess technically it's the same thing lorewise
Big Bang
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why does the antichton sound effect sounds like fuking sonic is running across the screen???
now, imagine how powerful God was before being broken apart.
The Demiurge is fragment/avatar of YHVH who got beaten out by Hitoshura and Lucifer during the true demon ending of Nocturne of whom Kagutsuchi was a mere infinitesimal of...
Or at least this is what is implied
@@hansword ....that actually isn't implied at all. Kagutsuchi and God are equals, and this version of God was shattered by the Mothers.
@@christopherbravo1813 So YHVH isn't actually related to Demiurge? Well it kind of makes sense since Demiurge literally B*tchslap Metatron which would be akin to him btfo his own servant lmao.
I do know SMT is gnostic and from what I've read all of these supreme deity wannabes all seem to be avatars of The Great Reason/Axiom
@@hansword no, I mean the Demiurge IS a fragment of God. it's just that God in Strange Journey is not the same God as in other games.
@@christopherbravo1813 Yeah that's what I mean to say the usual YHVH(the golden heads one) is different from The Whole Demiurge
2:50 triple miss
Oh look it's the final boss from persona 5!!!...
Some Guy Paragon yep, his alternaye name is Yaldabaoth
You can even say that persona 5's final boss as demiurge/yaldabaoth is a foreshadowing that they will remake strange journey next.
@@mrex666productions7 YHVH's second form in IV:A might also be a reference to Yaldabaoth (besides the ten plagues)
@@zaqareemalcolm its supposed to represent all the gods he dethroned, as he was debased to the same level as a demon
And a minor boss in Devil Summoner (the never released to US one)
I remember beating it easily with ebony tear, frost ace, shiva and metatron.
according Smt wiki, that demiurge is a ultimate demon. that is true?
As in like a superboss?
Every demon is an ultimate demon, they just need a few things to make it so.
For starters, in devil survivor overclocked, Naoya mentions that demons are stronger within their own universes. The Yhvh fought in smt 2 is apparently "Basic Yhvh" and the Yhvh fought in 4 apocalypse is "Ultimate Yhvh" and that's the case with every demon.
Why don't you have more subs and likes?
This guy should’ve been the final boss in SMT V.
Wouldnt that make the protag of strange journey stronger than smt v's protag?
@@efrayen4497 Demiurge would make more sense in SMT V, I even had a plotline I came up with for Demiurge being sealed and being angered by the fact he was reduced to a mere Demi-God by his brother the Original Creator, and the Fruits of Knowledge once belonged to him, and that he wanted to use them for himself. And I even had the thought of Baal in SMT V destroying and taking Lucifer’s power in order to Unseal Demiurge from his prison to work alongside Baal, but instead Demiurge would kill Baal instead of working as Baal’s puppet. Thus absorbing all the Nahobinos except the MC, to reclaim what “was” rightfully his. I had a name for his Transcendent Nahobino Form being Primordial Demiurge, he would have access to a Skill called “Paradigm Shift” which he would be able to change his skill list and stats, the four things that would stay the same would be his skills “Big Bang” “Heavenly Strike” “Paradigm Shift” and “Energy Compression”
@@akirahisui-lucario5636 eyyy, some of them skills is from stephens right?
@@akirahisui-lucario5636 bro could've saved the plot of smt 5 instead we got that lame ass plot
Who is the female voice supposed to be? I have a hunch is Louisa Ferr, but she would just appear if that was the case
Demiurge mother, i think her name is Sophia
@@augustocesar5191 The same Sophia who does your fusions in SMTV?
Never did NG+ on the original game, I really hope I won't have to beat Strange Journey a third time just for this battle.
Just need to remake the world/preserve the world For 1 Cycle before you can Access his Half of Sector Grux
Nanashi? Really?
Why did he cast the element skills on him just to have them reflected back?
He is supposed to ''shift'' 1 elemental weakness (random) each turn-ish, but that rarely happened. By attacking it with elemental makes you see whenever its weak against a specific element.
In the end, it's a waste of time bothering with elemental as this is a terrible ''hardest boss fight in the game'' and all you need is Almighty spam.
I hear that his weakness shuffling only happens on a New or Full Moon. But I don't blame you for just choosing to rain Antichthons instead.
I love Strange Journey to bits but, boy this boss is lame. It's just the same thing over and over and over and over again.
Most bosses in the game are
ATLUS is really good at making lame superbosses
Whether it's needing incredibly specific requirements to win like Elizabeth in Persona 3 FES or long and boring battles like the Demi-Fiend....they're usually kinda lacking.
I love the fuck out of the games but man they could be better.
Austin Douse demi fiend is literally the most fun i have had fighting a boss. When you come up with your own strategy its awesome. On the other hand just looking up a strategy kinda ruins the fight
@@NessKwik0 You literally have to build a specific way or you are guaranteed to die. Without Null Sleep, Gaea Rage *will* kill you and there is nothing you can do about it without it, as you can’t dodge it.
@@yaboi2500 yep. I definitly didnt mean demi fiend when i wrote this. I dont know what i was thinking. I must have been tired
what would have happen if you didnt seal him in the last sec ?
animefanstern69 he joins you
He only joins you if you are ''LAW'', results are the same, but he just disappears.
If you're not law aligned, he simply says that Mem Aleph is the true villain and if you fail to defeat her, he will defend humans instead, provided they all follow God
I'm at the door where you fight demimerge but I don't have enemy serch c how do I get it
It's in Horologium, you know where you fight Mestama or Jimenez (depends on your route)? It's on the bottom right of the map, it takes you a floor up and that's where you find it.
BuffMaister I'm on new game plus my first play though was on law now I'm on neutral on new game plus
BuffMaister I finnally found it thank you so much
@@BuffMaister I chose the neutrality (humanity) path
This boss is only in the redux version or in the normal too ?
I fought her in my Vanilla just make sure its New Game Plus located in Grus, basically 1/2 of sectors are parts of story while the other 1/2 is this the ultimate boss in Vanilla and Redux
So its shekinah or mem aleph voice?
Maybe Maria
Allilat
I think that this is supposed Sophia, The Wisdom, the mother of the demiurge. She's ashamed of her creation, and pity mankind, thus she supposedly gave us sapience so we can break our chains from him and the material world, and return to the spiritual world, with her and her kind.
Either Sophia or Mem Aleph. His "disappearance" probably means he became one with the Wisemen and helped form Shekinah.
@@NIHIL_EGO problem: the voice said she wanted to KILL HUMANITY.
>Antichthon
>Miss
please help, do you know where can i get rare forma for new main app : floor search? i am having trouble going through the new dungeon without it.
El safri Akasaka Final floor, navigating through the darkness. Cant miss it when you reach the location
final floor of the new dungeon?
El safri Akasaka yes, which is after Zeus.
roamed the sixth floor dark areas several times, but still nothing. i got my forma search from A to C. the area is near the npc loki and a demon mention hidden floors right?
Its around there, you go stairs up, and back down, and back up, going through a teleporter that brings you 1 floor back where the forma is. Get the visualizer from Horologium to see the dark area.
Who is your middle demon?
Lucifuge
What is the hardest smt game of all time
Most people will say Nocturne
Personally, either nocturne or strange journey. Nocturne has some pretty broken bosses and a lot of difficulty spikes while Strange journey, especially the original one, is just hard. Some dungeons are a bit hard (especially a certain dungeon in redux) and bosses as well as normal encounters (even lower level ones) can fuck you up easily if you lower your guard. It has the same thing as nocturne, light or dark insta kills have a high success rate and they hit pretty damn hard and both games, if im correct, are the only mainline smt games where the game is over if the protag dies
Jack bros is the hardest
Billy Frost nocturne isn’t that hard on normal plus it’s easy to get demons and skills and magatamas that break the game fused almost midway through the game. Strange Journey is just plain hard with some real fuck you moments. I love both games to death though
@@poopoo-dk4hu Nocturne is grindy and I don't know why SMT fans love their games so much its so fucking grindy and has poor dungeon design it sometimes can feel like a chore to play
Idk about SMT IV tho
Where do i find it?
You can only enter it with NG+, and have Door/Unlock/Enemy Search E.
In Grus, the right side of the map where you see E1 is the entrance.
gamefaqs.gamespot.com/3ds/204286-shin-megami-tensei-strange-journey-redux/faqs/59936
You have to go through a dungeon, and it's better to look that up online with maps as it has a lot of random teleports/traps.