Thanks for the updates. True Hab fans should be subscribed to both your podcasts. The info, insight and personal stories are really entertaining. Kudos to you both.
I miss Pez, he's got fire and I don't want to see him go. I was at the game in Buffalo last year when he scored in the shootout to win the game and rode his stick with the Tiger Williams celebration. The multitude of habs fans went nuts in Buffalo's barn
Kovacevic, the Habs didn't see enough potential in him considering he was playing 3rd pairing minutes at the time. Another defenseman that the Habs traded is not playing as much is Jordan Harris, who was playing around 2nd pairing minutes when he was on team, now only like 3rd pair minutes.
Thank youi Tony and Chris. Everybody keeps mentioning defence, and I've been mentioning the lack of secondary scoring for 2 years. There is no danger in 5vs5 other than an occasional goal on a turnover . The other teams knows this. This is why you see the other teams in the canadiens zone for 1+ minutes.
My kid brother, I think of him often. He was a lifelong Bruins fan. The Habs alumni showed up in Fernie and played the Blazers( WIHL). He got to play against Lafleur etal. I believe a year later Lafleur was back in the NHL for the Rangers. And still effective. What an amazing hockey player.
Good talk fellas, I agree the team needs more toughness, they need to do something soon, they're getting run over a lot of nights, defense need to be hitting some of these teams, HARD. I know they're young but hopefully it clicks soon!
Slaf was first overall in a weak draft, Reinbacher was the best defenseman available in a very bad draft year for defensemen and I still wonder to this day about what they saw in such small player Mesar when a big right defenseman Tristan Luneau which Montreal had needs for was still available. Bobrov is known to like european prospects...but got fired out of New-York because of very bad european draft picks !!!
@@bobsmith9936 Mesar is such a small forward...After drafting Slaf and trading for Dach, they must have felt they had room for him. Then a year later, they traded for Newhook which is a similar player, so Mesar is no longer part of the futur anymore !!! 😉
Losing 9 to 2 doesnt help the rebuild being in hard competitive games helps. Tell management to do their job. Ger a few experienced players and a competent coach for the defence. Luke Richardson is available.
I do feel the current Habs lack intensity and there's no sandpaper or grit on the team. Dach so far seems invisible out there until he screws up (like a bad giveaway or penalty). Pezzetta has only played 3 games this season (none since the end of October), he should play at least maybe once or twice every couple weeks.
Can they not put Dach in Laval to get his game back? After 25 games in the bigs, he's still struggling...go to plan B then. It couldn't hurt him, he needs the time to regain his game.
For one thing hockey is faster equipment is lighter and safer with the visor so hitting should be more easier. There is 5x more competition, everything Has changed but what has not changed is the love of the sport
Marty is a "philosopher coach". He is a good person but not what this team needs. The team needs someone with fire and whom the players respect but also fear. Stop making excuses like "they are young" or coming back from injury. This is the premier hockey league in the world and players need to play like their next pay cheque depends on their effort
Wishful thinking and bordering stupidity. This will not change anything or so little. Most of the players he has are average or below-average players. They can't provide more than what they've got. Even slapping them 20 times in the face in front of all other players will not change that reality.
I agree with Knucks on the Habs not making the playoffs. My question coming into this season is, when do the Habs start adding veteran character players who come with a winning pedigree? When is the rebuild over? Jeff and Kent just can't keep perpetually adding youth. The fans have been patient, now they have to finally see they've turned the corner.
when they have the talent, and they are close to the playoffs they will add vets, still need to rid themsleves of garbage players with bad contracts, still have a few years
@@chrishansen8477That's the way a rebuild works. The GM weakens the team for a few years to draft good core players and then bring in more experienced players to help the young prospects. Certain fans/media don't seem to understand that. They want a hard working team that give a good show while also getting great draft picks; can't having it both ways !!!
Hi, the fans who aren't patient didn't do research, I did, takes 5 min. fyi. so first 4-5 years draft develop see what they do nhl, you don't get that answer in 3rd year,Google it, its a fact. Hoping it's done in 3 years ,sorry but it's ludicrous 🤷
I still think Dach will get it together. Romanov would be nice to have on the blueline now, but I think his ceiling is as high as it gets now. He is a 20 minute guy, hits, and makes a good pass out of the zone. That is about it for Romanov. Not bad, but not special. I think Dach will turn into a bonefide 2nd center, but more patience is needed. His injury set him back 18 months of development. I'd take a bonefide 2nd center over a 2nd pairing dman. Nothing against Romanov though, I really liked him as a hab.
Ok so war room, 10 experts per team, 6 passed, so 66 pro scouts are dumb, maybe there's insides we DONT know 🤷 all knew his talent in his case that was not an issue 🤷
@@bobsmith9936 Even Slaf vs Wright is no slam dunk victory for the Habs. Slaf 27 games 2 goals 13 assists -10 compared to Wright 29 games 7goals 7 assists +2, Wright seems to be developing better than Slaf. By the end of next year I think he will clearly be a better player than Slaf!
Good talk guys. Im ok with Marty as an associate coach and to media. Richardson i as head. Dach , newhook , barron , and mathman can be moved for more characters, bigger winger, another mobile steady def defenseman. Preems bye guy.A many yr vet like gibson from anh please. Ghg
Chris this comes from the top it’s an internal tank why else would you have Matheson on the pk when he continually gets burned with goals when he’s on! Why isn’t Primeau not on waivers becouse I’ll tell you Gorton and Hughes want it that way that’s why! They know there’s still to many players that have to be moved that are dead weight on this team and yes they want that last high draft pick btw they know what rookies might or could be with the team next year ie Demidov,Hage and Fowler besides maybe a Tuch etc imagine if they pick up a big boy like Mortone
He won’t be here when they are contending! Do you think he doesn’t have a voice in the locker room before and after the games? He wears an “A”! He’s well respected in the room and helps Suzuki I’m sure of it! He’s a veteran voice in there and to me you need a leader who’s growing with your core and will be there in the end. Gally is in the last couple years of his career how does it make sense to name him captain? And what makes you think him wearing the “ C” will do to make this group win more than they are now lol?? You need players!! You need more talent!! You need heart!! You need grit!! He can’t do it alone no matter what letter he wears!
If you watch the draft specials you’ll notice that the Canadiens are more interested in drafting sweethearts than tough competitors. If you draft guys you’d have to kill to get them to stop competing there hardest it doesn’t matter if the room is full of best friends. Draft the kid that gets knocked down and comes back harder every time. It doesn’t matter if you hate your linemate if you hate losing more.
Off the record, you have to ask yourself how much are the 7 draft picks in the first three rounds of the 2025 draft regulating this team. It has to be in the back of your mind. No one wants to lose 9-2, but, looking at the standings Montreal retained 5th from the bottom while Pittsburgh moved up to 20th overall from 24th overall and still be near the bottom of their division. You talk about Kirby, which seems true, but Slaf is floating out there. That lad needs to learn how to stand in the crease a little more. Lastly, none of us know what it's like in that dressing room.
Again like you said Matheson with Hutson ?? Where’s the logic internal Tank and I’m sure Marty is being told what they want to see there’s no other way to look at it but an internal tank like I’ve been saying.
I’d say so he spatted off about how bad Montreal was for taxes publicly . I’m sure the pr department as well as upper brass and owners did not like someone publicly saying this regardless that it’s true it’s hard enough to retain good talent you don’t want a guy on the inside saying the opposite of what your preaching just my opinion
Who said we gon make the playoff next year or in 2 year ? Nothing guarantee ! We are at the bottom with a full line up ! No number 1 goalie no second line no good defensive system ! Slafkovsky + Dach are at 2 goals in 30 games. TRADE NOW Dvorak, Armia , Newhook Barron Primeau ain’t good enough ALL OUT PLEASE. Not enough physical and mental toughness
Fans need maturity also because calling a 19 year old “Demigod” before he played a single game in the NHL is non sense and will not help to develop our players if they have inflated egos
Robidas is a joke who gets free pass. The whole French coach thing is a joke. The ALS win championship because they don’t bend over for the French goof media.
Coaches stick around for winning - winning with what you got. The whole league started copying Lemaire. Bowman wasn't muched liked by his players either and emphasizes defensive play too
Has anybody ever thought that perhaps it’s a generational thing? Imagine how difficult it would be to coach a bunch of Gen Z’s that have been coddled their whole lives. Any sign of aggression from a coach in this day and age would probably lose the room. How are you supposed to coach that?! I was in law-enforcement; and had several rookies shadowing me on the job. Every time I would be firm with these rookies, they would fold like a cheap suit. I had one rookie almost cry and told me that he didn’t come to work to get yelled at. I wasn’t even yelling (yet) How do you coach this generation? How do you motivate a cupcake? That’s the problem. Ask Tortorella it’s a GenZ problem.
I dont want to bash Marty but he needs help behind the bench. What has pezzetta done to not get in the lineup? Most nights armia and dach are invisable. Its time to move Heineman into the top 6 and see what he can do with more ice time and playing with more talented players.
Hey folks....Montrealer here, in case you're wondering, YES it is normal for habs fans to talk about the Canadiens glory years even 40 to 60 later!
Thanks for the updates. True Hab fans should be subscribed to both your podcasts. The info, insight and personal stories are really entertaining. Kudos to you both.
Dach out, Pezetta in!
I miss Pez, he's got fire and I don't want to see him go. I was at the game in Buffalo last year when he scored in the shootout to win the game and rode his stick with the Tiger Williams celebration. The multitude of habs fans went nuts in Buffalo's barn
Should have kept Kovacevic
Agree...I really liked him.
low ceiling, where will he be and how fast will he be in 3-4 years at 30-31 years old when they try to win in the playoffs ?
Kovacevic, the Habs didn't see enough potential in him considering he was playing 3rd pairing minutes at the time. Another defenseman that the Habs traded is not playing as much is Jordan Harris, who was playing around 2nd pairing minutes when he was on team, now only like 3rd pair minutes.
@@tetraboom8730who the hell said they gon make the playoff in 3 years ? NO GARANTEE !
Fact
Thank youi Tony and Chris.
Everybody keeps mentioning defence, and I've been mentioning the lack of secondary scoring for 2 years. There is no danger in 5vs5 other than an occasional goal on a turnover . The other teams knows this. This is why you see the other teams in the canadiens zone for 1+ minutes.
My kid brother, I think of him often. He was a lifelong Bruins fan. The Habs alumni showed up in Fernie and played the Blazers( WIHL). He got to play against Lafleur etal. I believe a year later Lafleur was back in the NHL for the Rangers. And still effective. What an amazing hockey player.
Great show Knucks and i hope you recover quickly. Your awesome
We had Johnathan Kovacevic 6'5" RD and we left go for almost nothing so we keep Justin Barron in MTL.
Agreed. Kept Kovacevic Trade Barron!
Lemaire was a great player. He is also a wonderful hockey mind.
and he also ruined Guy's career
@SeanKenny-rg1sx that's not quite the way knuckles remembers it.
@@SeanKenny-rg1sxhow ? What happen ?
Great podcast one of the best
Great show Chris and Tony!
Great podcast Chris, excellent guest in T. Cheers guys.
This podcast will be historical to keep Nilan at his best with Tony. Even girls were wearing Nilan jerseys.
Good talk fellas, I agree the team needs more toughness, they need to do something soon, they're getting run over a lot of nights, defense need to be hitting some of these teams, HARD. I know they're young but hopefully it clicks soon!
I got a Lafleur and Nilan jersey as well. Two of my favourites as a kid
Chris and Tony quel délice.
Dach: "I thought I was out.. They brought me back in!"
I like Lafleur and Lemaire. Lemaire ended his player career and coaching career on a high. Lemaire had a hockey mind. Lafleur had an emotional mind!!
Pezzetta should be in the lineup. He is a guy with meat and bones, as Tony said.
We have a NHL Lombardi with Chris not joking we need passion and he brings it all other things fall into place
Barron, Newhook, Dach are bad trades, how about drafting Slaf, Reinbacher, and Mesar
Slaf was first overall in a weak draft, Reinbacher was the best defenseman available in a very bad draft year for defensemen and I still wonder to this day about what they saw in such small player Mesar when a big right defenseman Tristan Luneau which Montreal had needs for was still available. Bobrov is known to like european prospects...but got fired out of New-York because of very bad european draft picks !!!
@@powers1500hi my 2 cents habs full of young d's, needed offense, so voilà mesar , noticed last draft, demidov hage = o guys 👍
@@bobsmith9936 Mesar is such a small forward...After drafting Slaf and trading for Dach, they must have felt they had room for him. Then a year later, they traded for Newhook which is a similar player, so Mesar is no longer part of the futur anymore !!! 😉
No problèm with Slaf and Reinbacher! Michkov did not want to be in Montreal. He said he would be in Russia for 3 years!
Losing 9 to 2 doesnt help the rebuild being in hard competitive games helps. Tell management to do their job. Ger a few experienced players and a competent coach for the defence. Luke Richardson is available.
I do feel the current Habs lack intensity and there's no sandpaper or grit on the team. Dach so far seems invisible out there until he screws up (like a bad giveaway or penalty). Pezzetta has only played 3 games this season (none since the end of October), he should play at least maybe once or twice every couple weeks.
Can they not put Dach in Laval to get his game back? After 25 games in the bigs, he's still struggling...go to plan B then. It couldn't hurt him, he needs the time to regain his game.
For one thing hockey is faster equipment is lighter and safer with the visor so hitting should be more easier. There is 5x more competition, everything
Has changed but what has not changed is the love of the sport
Marty is a "philosopher coach". He is a good person but not what this team needs. The team needs someone with fire and whom the players respect but also fear. Stop making excuses like "they are young" or coming back from injury. This is the premier hockey league in the world and players need to play like their next pay cheque depends on their effort
You are right especially in Montreal with all distractions
Gerard Gallant.
Wishful thinking and bordering stupidity. This will not change anything or so little. Most of the players he has are average or below-average players. They can't provide more than what they've got. Even slapping them 20 times in the face in front of all other players will not change that reality.
Barron out, Struble in!
I agree with Knucks on the Habs not making the playoffs.
My question coming into this season is, when do the Habs start adding veteran character players who come with a winning pedigree?
When is the rebuild over?
Jeff and Kent just can't keep perpetually adding youth.
The fans have been patient, now they have to finally see they've turned the corner.
when they have the talent, and they are close to the playoffs they will add vets, still need to rid themsleves of garbage players with bad contracts, still have a few years
@@chrishansen8477That's the way a rebuild works. The GM weakens the team for a few years to draft good core players and then bring in more experienced players to help the young prospects. Certain fans/media don't seem to understand that. They want a hard working team that give a good show while also getting great draft picks; can't having it both ways !!!
The rebuild is done after the seven picks in the first three rounds of the 2025 draft. It seems fair to tank. How long was Edmonton's rebuild? lol
Hi, the fans who aren't patient didn't do research, I did, takes 5 min. fyi. so first 4-5 years draft develop see what they do nhl, you don't get that answer in 3rd year,Google it, its a fact. Hoping it's done in 3 years ,sorry but it's ludicrous 🤷
I still think Dach will get it together. Romanov would be nice to have on the blueline now, but I think his ceiling is as high as it gets now. He is a 20 minute guy, hits, and makes a good pass out of the zone. That is about it for Romanov. Not bad, but not special. I think Dach will turn into a bonefide 2nd center, but more patience is needed. His injury set him back 18 months of development. I'd take a bonefide 2nd center over a 2nd pairing dman. Nothing against Romanov though, I really liked him as a hab.
Let Laval experience some success. Let them dominate and enjoy winning.
Upper management needs to be held accountable...and lets not forget how well Michkov is playing in Pilly.
Ok so war room, 10 experts per team, 6 passed, so 66 pro scouts are dumb, maybe there's insides we DONT know 🤷 all knew his talent in his case that was not an issue 🤷
@@bobsmith9936 Even Slaf vs Wright is no slam dunk victory for the Habs. Slaf 27 games 2 goals 13 assists -10 compared to Wright 29 games 7goals 7 assists +2, Wright seems to be developing better than Slaf. By the end of next year I think he will clearly be a better player than Slaf!
Good talk guys. Im ok with Marty as an associate coach and to media. Richardson i as head.
Dach , newhook , barron , and mathman can be moved for more characters, bigger winger, another mobile steady def defenseman. Preems bye guy.A many yr vet like gibson from anh please. Ghg
Why would somebody trade players with character for players with no character?
Chris this comes from the top it’s an internal tank why else would you have Matheson on the pk when he continually gets burned with goals when he’s on! Why isn’t Primeau not on waivers becouse I’ll tell you Gorton and Hughes want it that way that’s why! They know there’s still to many players that have to be moved that are dead weight on this team and yes they want that last high draft pick btw they know what rookies might or could be with the team next year ie Demidov,Hage and Fowler besides maybe a Tuch etc imagine if they pick up a big boy like Mortone
My dad loved Lafleur but he'd get just as excited watching Nilan
I always was pissed off that Gally wasnt named captain. I tough he sould have been captain over Weber, and over Suksuki.
The Refs don't like him.
When you have a Weber on your team...he has to be the captain. Everybody looked up to him...!!!
He won’t be here when they are contending! Do you think he doesn’t have a voice in the locker room before and after the games? He wears an “A”! He’s well respected in the room and helps Suzuki I’m sure of it! He’s a veteran voice in there and to me you need a leader who’s growing with your core and will be there in the end. Gally is in the last couple years of his career how does it make sense to name him captain? And what makes you think him wearing the “ C” will do to make this group win more than they are now lol?? You need players!! You need more talent!! You need heart!! You need grit!! He can’t do it alone no matter what letter he wears!
If you watch the draft specials you’ll notice that the Canadiens are more interested in drafting sweethearts than tough competitors. If you draft guys you’d have to kill to get them to stop competing there hardest it doesn’t matter if the room is full of best friends. Draft the kid that gets knocked down and comes back harder every time. It doesn’t matter if you hate your linemate if you hate losing more.
Anyone else think this guy sounds like Dan Akron’s🤔🤔
Off the record, you have to ask yourself how much are the 7 draft picks in the first three rounds of the 2025 draft regulating this team. It has to be in the back of your mind.
No one wants to lose 9-2, but, looking at the standings Montreal retained 5th from the bottom while Pittsburgh moved up to 20th overall from 24th overall and still be near the bottom of their division. You talk about Kirby, which seems true, but Slaf is floating out there. That lad needs to learn how to stand in the crease a little more.
Lastly, none of us know what it's like in that dressing room.
Again like you said Matheson with Hutson ?? Where’s the logic internal Tank and I’m sure Marty is being told what they want to see there’s no other way to look at it but an internal tank like I’ve been saying.
Quitting or lack luster effort is unacceptable!!!!!
How many times was Gallagher crosschecked in front of the opponents goalie and rarely get a call
Why doesn’t Pezzetta get a chance to play? Did he piss someone off?
I’d say so he spatted off about how bad Montreal was for taxes publicly . I’m sure the pr department as well as upper brass and owners did not like someone publicly saying this regardless that it’s true it’s hard enough to retain good talent you don’t want a guy on the inside saying the opposite of what your preaching just my opinion
@ they would be better off to either just release him or send him down
Habs need Connor Hughes.
When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Where’s Tim. ? He went into witness protection.
MSL seems to be a finesse minded coach IMO.
He doesn't seem to like the grinding players like Xhekaj and Pezzetta.
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Like your fighting story Tony lol 😂
Love your show but the canadiens haven't done all that much since they dont get the best player out of quebec every year
8 and 48 should not be paired ever , even if they are on the PP.
Habs not going anywhere this year so let's give Dach a bit of a pass this year. Play him a lot regardless of how he plays. Next year we can judge him.
Who said we gon make the playoff next year or in 2 year ? Nothing guarantee ! We are at the bottom with a full line up ! No number 1 goalie no second line no good defensive system ! Slafkovsky + Dach are at 2 goals in 30 games. TRADE NOW Dvorak, Armia , Newhook Barron Primeau ain’t good enough ALL OUT PLEASE. Not enough physical and mental toughness
Fans need maturity also because calling a 19 year old “Demigod” before he played a single game in the NHL is non sense and will not help to develop our players if they have inflated egos
Hutson needs Reinbacher
Robidas is a joke who gets free pass. The whole French coach thing is a joke. The ALS win championship because they don’t bend over for the French goof media.
Loved Jacques as a player hated him as a coach boring hockey
Lol.
Coaches stick around for winning - winning with what you got. The whole league started copying Lemaire. Bowman wasn't muched liked by his players either and emphasizes defensive play too
Suzuki with C is the epitome of soft
Ah shut up Chris! And Tony, you're boring.
Has anybody ever thought that perhaps it’s a generational thing? Imagine how difficult it would be to coach a bunch of Gen Z’s that have been coddled their whole lives. Any sign of aggression from a coach in this day and age would probably lose the room. How are you supposed to coach that?!
I was in law-enforcement; and had several rookies shadowing me on the job. Every time I would be firm with these rookies, they would fold like a cheap suit. I had one rookie almost cry and told me that he didn’t come to work to get yelled at. I wasn’t even yelling (yet) How do you coach this generation? How do you motivate a cupcake? That’s the problem. Ask Tortorella it’s a GenZ problem.
I dont want to bash Marty but he needs help behind the bench. What has pezzetta done to not get in the lineup? Most nights armia and dach are invisable. Its time to move Heineman into the top 6 and see what he can do with more ice time and playing with more talented players.