It's a fun fact that Wirtual have beaten all the trackmania nations forever tracks blindfolded, and now it turned out to be easier than the Deep dip 2.
I 100% agree with waiting for the release of the practice floors. No one blames you for holding off until then. Lars, ElConn, Hazard, and Bren are absolute beasts for putting in the grind, but don’t let their dedication minimize the progress and time you’ve put into this. You are the reason so many people watch those guys now. Be proud, Wirt.
I think you were really brave Wirtual, following what @obscurity3027 said and quoting what you said in the video, floor 14 is the 7 kilograms and 16 is 10kg, so be proud that YOU were one of the few that conquered almost 90% of completion, for now. And later is later, to hit the 100% when time is right.
Nobody talking about how he ignores the fact he promised to put $1 towards each fall and donate it. Clearly just a cash grab and he left so he doesn’t have to do charity. The fact anyone supports this guy is sad
@@lilbaphometofficial Me, not knowing that was something he promised, and also not caring if someone gives money to charity or not, still supporting him by watching him and not giving him any money. How come you know all this and still come to his channel then? Isn't it sadder to trail someone that you find sad? The fact that you copy and paste the same comment into multiple reply chains isn't sad? You know you're indirectly supporting him by interacting with his channel right? If you truly didn't want to support him, just ignore everything this guy does, but nah, going to his channel to drop a reply on every comment is probably the best way to do that right? Talk about sad.
@@Wolta thank you for giving me advice. However I shall not listen to someone who agrees with scamming fans, lying to thousands and telling them if they donate for it will help developers ETC, furthermore. The only way to actually get my comment noticed is to spam and I am very happy to spread the message of boycotting this man! I am very proud I get to tell thousands of people the truth while you act like a sheep 😜
Being responsible enough to know when you're at your limit and should quit is really difficult. You have my respect for that decision wirtual! Looking forward to more chill streams soon
@@Votexforxme L take here. Taking a break from the map until it's more manageable is far far better. There's no point in trying to push something when it's not fun, and being able to admit that, despite wanting to beat the map, is certainly not "weak". Very, very few people will beat this map, and we can see it's exhausting for even the top players. You try and do something for a month straight, something this tedious and frustrating, while having thousands of chatters saying inane stuff at you, and you will feel much the same. Don't knock a man for trying and admitting defeat.
@@Votexforxmedid you say he is dumb? You can't even put a sentence together R'kid. He put too much hours in think you mean many 😂. Absolutely dreadful take from a armchair doughnut. Get a grip if you don't have noyhi g decent to say or even a good take with logic to why its negative is fine but no you just ramble in broken English. L L L
@@nebula_tm What’s annoying is that he practically promised his viewers and himself that he would finish it no matter what. He knew it was going to be difficult. Don’t promise something like that and then quit when it gets too hard.
@@nebula_tm Some people forget that video games are entertainment and meant to be fun. Now, for some being good at the game is also their income (people like Bren and Lars), but Wirtual is an entertainer and video creator first and foremost and playing something he doesn't enjoy is bad content. Streamers have really fucked with some people's views on video games, entertainment, and personal success.
I mean, the simple fact that it's taken this long and the map isn't done yet is... Insane. It's just too long, too hard. Even the most degenerate gamers just cannot take this long to do 1 thing. In the World of Warcraft scene, in the last expansion there was a raid that took just over 2 weeks to complete, one of the 2 guilds working on it stepped out because it took too long, you've been at it for twice that. Do not feel bad that you are stepping bad, be proud that you made it as far as you did, farther than 99.9% of players ever will, and go do something you enjoy.
Tbf that guild in wow was in a venue miles away from their homes for 2 weeks. A bit different than playing tm at home. Not to say that 1 month of doing 1 map is not insane.
I can't lie: as a viewer, I'd love to have seen you finish this map (will always hope you one day will), but your reasoning is completely valid, you still made crazy impressive progress! Don't ever think you're disappointing us for dropping out! It was a glorious month of content and we'll stay here to follow you on the next chapter!!
He'll finish the map eventually. He'll never beat it though. Realistically, he was never going to be the first to finish, and as well, he rarely ever made serious progress without looking at someone else's run. Was he really ever playing deep dip 2, or was he just copying everyone else?
@@potatosordfighter666 There is always only 1 person that does something first. Even if you look at how to do something being able to do it is not the same as seeing it. Also I believe there are only like 7 other players that have gotten past floor 11 and at times wirtual was second in pb so saying he was copying 'everyone else' is a massive stretch if you ask me.
@@potatosordfighter666 not everyone's goal is to be the first (it's actually one of the voice lines you get in the Deep Dip 2 plugin)! Getting to where he's gotten (even by looking at someone else's run) is still an incredible achievement only few will ever accomplish. It's like speedrunning a game: just because I looked up someone else's run, does it take away the mental and mechanical prowess that it takes for me to get a record?
Responsibility to the editors is super real. Once something is a job, there are a lot of responsibilities that need to be balanced. Respect for looking out for your coworkers.
They aren't coworkers, they are employees. It's a horrible decision to start Deep Dip 2 when you know you have 7even editors on the pay roll that are running out of work.
I ran a flower farm for 2 & 1/2 years. I put everything aside for it. I had florists I would wholesale to, consistent customers, the works. No matter how much work I put it, I couldn't catch up with the overwhelming work, and I wasn't earning enough to get help. It felt like if I worked harder, longer, I could get on top of it. It felt like I wasn't good enough. It got so bad that I'd spend hours at the kitchen table, doing everything to hype up myself to get outside, only to work until 2am to try to catch up. But I didn't want to quit. I didn't want to be a failure. It wasn't until looked really hard into the exact hours I was putting into it and realized I was making about $3 (AUD) an hour, that I knew I had to quit. I'm so much happier for it. Knowing when to quit, taking that step, especially when you feel like you can do it, is one of the most difficult things. These Deep Dip videos have been my favourite content this year. I was shocked when I saw the title, was sad (briefly, until I watched the video) to see them paused for the time being, but that's nothing compared to the respect I have for making this decision
@@MrVid21 The title was enough to understand him. I played this map (as a possibly average TM player) for about 40 hours and quit, too. The feeling of climbing all the way to get one single try and do that over and over again is the most disappointing feeling i had in 25 years of gaming. This is weird to say as a person who follows this random dude online, but I'm proud of Wirtual :)
This (unnecessarily) feels like an apology video.. As a non-trackmania player I just want to thank you for hiping, introducing great and (then still) unknown players and just showing the fun of participating in a community project. You're great at your job, a great trackmania player and most of all a great en loveable person! This shines through in every stream and video. Thank you for being you and staying relatable. Love ❤️
@@foundwheels1939ever made a promise you had to break for whatever reason? He’s obviously feeling guilty, thinking he’s letting people down. Give the man a rest! It must be so mentally taxing to maintain that level of concentration…
This is a good showing of why something difficult of the 'Get Over It' genre isn't necessarily going to make for an enjoyable challenge. As much as people want something hard that will punish them back, a huge part of the appeal is that finishing is worth the effort expended. Sure, you'll fall down, and you have to try again and again, but that's mostly okay because you keep learning and improving, optimizing your playstyle as you rush back up to where you were. But for DD2, you clearly reached the point where you have mastered the lower floors and are rushing through them, and you are still spending thirty minutes to get back to where you were. And even if all the jumps on the way back up were completely fair and reasonable, you are still going to make mistakes and be less than perfect, because you are human and this is a climb where you are meant to screw things up to begin with. That would be totally fine if it weren't for the fact that getting back up takes so much TIME to begin with. Whether it is Getting Over It, Only Up, Deep Dip or anything else, the reason they enthrall their audiences is because restarting from scratch after a fall or a break is like a sprint up hill. You spend ten or so minutes, and you're back at where you left off, all while feeling the immense satisfaction of having rushed up and feeling your own personal progress. But for DD2? It is calculated jump after calculated jump after jump after jump, and it takes forever. By the time you reach back to the one chance you have at the really difficult jump that has got you stymied, not only have you forgotten exactly what you tried last time, but you are already exhausted and demotivated by the thought of having to climb back up purely because of the time investment necessary to do so. 90% of the climb back up is a 30 minute timesink grind that punishes a momentary lapse of attention span, and that simply isn't fun. The original Deep Dip unintentionally got the difficulty curve just right for the no-checkpoint genre. Maybe it was slightly too easy, but Deep Dip 2 went way overboard. I'm glad I'm not playing it.
And I gotta say this, it’s not fun to watch either. Of course it’s insane if you catch Bren setting a WR, but watching someone start all over again is not very rewarding. Which is why I have a hard time watching DD2 live.
i wasn't talking about getting over it or any of the other games you are probably thinking of, but my original comment was poorly written anyway. i never meant to imply dd2 isn't hard, i was just saying that somehow, there are yet more difficult endurance platforming challenges (that have been completed), which was kind of a pointless comment to make anyways.
“Am I just lacking the winner mentality?” Anyone who has gotten back up from a fall more than 1400 times is a winner in my mind. You are a true warrior.
Wirt has weak mental in a way, that he gets affected by chat a lot and cant stadn the preasure of big crowd *for prolonged time* He also tilts a lot from big falls, which makes his next runs even worse
Bren and Lars may be streamers/creators but primarily they are TM Pros. Wirtual is a full-blow content creator who also happens to be one of the best in the world at the game, but it would take him being twice as good as any of the other top 5 to balance creating good content while beating deep dip, and that's just impossible.
I personally like when he's in chill mode. People troll about his pyramid obsession a lot, but I like hearing them. He can eloquently tell mundane stories to be interesting, that's why his main channel is a million subbed story telling channel for a game "nobody cared" about. I didn't honestly enjoy his stream as much when he's sulky because of the ultra-competitive nature of Deep Dip 2 (a lot more reason than this but yeah).
When you can clearly tell that bren and Lars are just so mentally dead from this map still playing after 200+ hours in a month it becomes apparent how much effort it would take for anyone else. Like wirtual said, he’d have to spend at least 100 or 200 more hours to beat it, and it’s just so far away while that same mental toll is being taken. Only a handful of people with both pro level and god-like determination can beat the map without practice floors and wirtual should be proud he made it so far before bowing out
@@default0467 At this point it's only really worth it truly grind it out if you think you can get some of the prize money. Otherwise, there's no reason to grind out the map at this point.
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@@TheHeadincharge probably true for most people, but not Wirtual. He likely has zero interest in the prize money at this point because he earns quite enough, and will probably have earned more from this month than he would if he won the contest anyway. It would just be a very nice bonus. But IMO he will still want to beat the map in the future simply due to it being such a challenge, and we all know how much he loves TM-related challenges, no matter how convoluted they may seem to an outside observer.
He kinda low for this one... Made the most of every streamer. Prob the prizepool time’s 20 at least. And thats the only reason he quits. Because the hype is over.
@@maxgibifyThe hype isn't over as much so that isn't exactly it, you go and play the exact same thing over and over again for days straight, this is a videogame supposed to be fun not a repetitive 9-5 job. I'm just happy for the videos we got and if I want to see it finished I'll check out Bren or Lars channels
@@maxgibify ofcourse you are the correct one, right? The video lists 20 reasons, but no.. it has to be because the hype went down. You know this way better than him huh?
"Could I do it?" - Yes, yes you could "... SHOULD you do it?" - No, it would cost you so much. It's not worth it. I think you're making the right decision.
Exactly right. We all know he could, and he knows he could, but if there are better things to live for, there's no reason to kill off those moments just to satisfy that nagging sense of 'What if.' There's a point you should stop playing the lotto. There's a point you should acknowledge you're not going to be on a pro sports team. There's a point where, there's so many more paths ahead than just the one you've nailed your feet to.
@@Grandremone If this is sacrastic, then it's in bad taste. If it's not, then I completely disagree with this "BS, not a true grinder" mentality. Streamers don't owe us anything. They owe themselves the chance to take care of their mental health and they owe the people they employ an ability to make income. That's it. He's clearly disappointed and not beating around the bush either. He's owning it. Why be a dick about it?
@@bigtunajake9203I think "streamers don't owe us anything" is a partially untrue statement given that streamers tend to succeed more when they give their audience more. But I wholeheartedly agree with you-dude above has to be trolling
I felt for some time this was coming and cannot blame you. I got tired of re- watching the same floors over and over again, cannot imagine doing it myself. It's such a joy to watch TM at full speed, racing, and not positioning every jump, failing and climbing again from zero. Good for you, take care of yourself and I'm looking forward to watch you race again
@@kerryhurley1904 and It Is Also a really good comparison BC when I did a practice run of eon (which took roughly 1.45h) the end part o the part where I struggled the most, and that Is like deep dip 2, where the last floors are wayyyy more difficult than the previous ones . Now imagine getting to the hardest part of the level/map, not knowing what to do and just knowing that if u fail u have to do it all again from zero
Not only is it the good decision, but it also is a good model to give. Being healthy enough to realise when to take the responsible action, as a competitive warrior. You have all of our respect, and gratitude for sharing this journey with us. I can safely say that a lot of us didn't care for deepdip, or even TM before your video. And now I am hooked onto both. So you go king. Thanks for everything
Yes dude! Choose life! Choose steering away from the "too much." Your message here is not only absolutely respectable, I'll even go so far as to say you're being a great role model for how to handle taking on too much. I've been wondering for a while now how anyone can continue for so long everyday with diminishing and diminishing returns. You absolutely deserve your health - mental, physical, social, so it is obvious to me that you've made the right call. A really tough call for sure, but _the right call._ Moreover, you've spoken very well to openly communicate where you're coming from and where you want to go, acknowledging and not apologizing that this is an incompatible path that you'll now change. Reading through these comments, it's clear I'm far from alone in supporting you in this course correction. You've done a great job and I'm proud of your fortitude and stamina, the dedication you've brought to this challenge. You've given it a hell of a lot! And I'm proud of you now for recognizing risk and harm in your life, and deciding and taking action to opt out of continuing it. Congrats on getting as far as you have. I look forward to seeing you complete it ... and having more fun at it!
I agree, this is a fantastic thing to do for someone who is such a role model for so many young people. I see too many UA-camrs who push the “grind at all costs” mindset and it’s not good for humans as a whole. We need less of that and more of caring about others and yourself.
Wow this comment makes me cry in a good way. I am in a position in my life where "taking on too much" has left me in a state of mental ilness and I am constantly trying to decide whether another project that is fun or another challenge is the right thing to take on (because I have gotten extremly avoidant over time while in a severely depressive phase) or if its gonna push me over into burnout again. So reading your comment made me realize how good it is to see people openly talk about learning ones one limits and actively deciding to step away from a challenge, even a self imposed one and not calling it a defeat but celebrating how far you got and that you listened to what you feel is the correct choice. Thank you so much for sharing this ❤
Yeah, I was feeling the same watching the video. Wirtual is being a really good role model here - sometimes moving on is the right choice. And it's very important to know when that is.
Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family, Choose a fucking big television Choose washing machines, cars, Compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol And dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase In a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who you Are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing Sprit-crushing ga me shows Stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, Pishing you last in a miserable home Nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, Fucked-up brats You have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life.
100% understandable. I have no problem grinding hard things, but 30+ minutes just to attempt the single next thing is just too much of a time barrier for me.
No one would have beaten games like I Wanna be the Guy if the hardest mode with no checkpoints was the only one that existed. It had easier modes with checkpoints and then people started to realize they had gotten so good at it that they didn't need the checkpoints at the easier modes so they tried a no-checkpoint run. The game wouldn't be fun at all if there were no checkpoints to begin with and people had to make a flawless run for 40 minutes just to see if they could progress one step further. I think there's a lot to be learned from that.
Restarting a blind playthrough with each mistake is insane. Imagine if we played other games this way? That would be like restarting Dark Souls whenever you take damage. Can't practice... just pray you don't get hit after spending hours getting back to where you were. Absolutely masochistic, I'm honestly not surprised even super passionate players are burning out.
yea, most such challanges in games can be done after finishing the entire game, in Dark Souls you can have unlimited practice and memorize every step of the playthrough, SO you can have a chance in trying nohit playthroughs
nitpick, but it's not a blind restart as you retain all the information you had before having to restart. there have also been no-hit runs of every single souls game (even in sequence) and while they are peak masochism, people do set them out as a goal to be achieved.
Bro quits at 80%. That's still 80% of the hardest possible map. Grinding your balls against a grindstone is absolutely impressive, but you gotta ask yourself if that's really worth it
Yep, it's what i noticed in the first week. Some people (and wirtual himself at that point) think about progression on this map as linear. For example " i'm at level 8 it means i'm halfway there". In reality difficulty of this map scales exponentially. Every new floor, every pb - it's just a new opportunity to loose all the progres in subsequent run while you trying to match your pb. I feel like bro is quitting at 60-65%, it could have easily taken him a 120 more hours
@@itchiegamesstreamer so entitled so ill just complain about it every moment I can🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 L take bro stop watching nobody will miss you anyways, not in this community, not irl either. Dont like it? Leave.
Dude I love what you're doing and I'm proud of you as well! Watching you try and try again, staying cool and focussed... Amazing, brother. The last time I played trackmania was as a little kid some 20 years ago. Now I'm 30 and your videos got me to playing the game again. I love your energy and the way you bring together the community. Keep it up man.
You have had incredible willpower to continue as far as you have. I can't imagine spending an entire month focusing on something so time-consuming and alienating. It is HARD. And to make it as far as you have is already an incredible accomplishment. I've enjoyed watching so many of your deep dip streams. I will continue to watch your other ones as well!! Can't wait to see what the future brings! Good job Wirt!
Its not giving up anyway. Its setting priorities and turning a short term goal into a long term goal, which is, regarding the insane difficulty of this map, a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Beating this map will still be an incredible achievement, even if your not the first.
7:42 "Could I sleep less" - As soon as these are the kind of thoughts you are doing in pursuit of something, it's time to let go, it's becoming and unhealthy obsession, taking care of yourself comes first!
I think a lot of people can agree that DD2 was just a little TOO ambitious on its scope. Sure a bigger tower sounded better with more floors but when each floor has tricks and mechanics that just end runs so easily not to mention that some of these CRAZY tricks are on the upper most floors. I think the floor ordering could of been a bit better with some of these zany tricks being a big lower in the tower. And as others have mentioned, theres a bit more much judicial use of plastic. Edit: As someone pointed out, Punishing falls is probably the biggest issue. Due to the sprial, a fall would be multiple floors and with all of the plastic littered around the track, unless you landed on your wheels, your just going to bounce off everything to the bottom. Plus due to some of the bugs with the game like the landing bug, a fall can be completely out of your control and asking a hour of perfect play with zero bugs is asking for trouble.
if you compare it to the original getting over it, the big difference is how unforgiving falls are. It feels like half of the falls are dead turtles or go to the lower floors. My main suggestion would be to be more forgiving for falls, some of the pools could be bigger, some more scenery could make long falls more unlikely, more recovery roads etc. It’s a whole different ballgame, if resets are the exception, when you make a mistake, instead of the usual outcome.
Yeah, getting over it has like 5 solid "checkpoints" through the game. If you make it to the radio tower after 10 hours of playing and failing, one missed jump takes you back.... to the start of the radio tower. That's why Orange Hell is named that. It is one of the few places where you can easily lose an hour's worth of progress.
@@sailingintosunshine yeah I feel like the rotating floors was a pretty big blunder on this whole project, just makes each fall so unforgiving. Dead turtles really suck as well, but you cant really place water everywhere to flip the car, almost wish there was something you could click to unturtle just specifically for this map
While I agree with everything you said, I do want to try and stand up for the mappers a bit - its so hard to know how difficult something of this scale is going to end up being. And of course they wanted to err on the side of being too hard rather than too easy - I think people would have been even more disappointed if the map got beaten in less than ~80 hours after all the hype. Its just that with a tower map like this, 1 jump that is more inconsistent than the mappers think it is on an early floor can literally 2x the time to beat the full map. The exponential nature of the maps difficulty makes it very hard to tame. With so many mappers and so many moving parts to get the event put together, I can easily see how the difficulty got out of their control, since it wasn't possible to do full playtests of the entire experience. Of course, in hindsight, the map is too hard - but even with what we know now, how would we change the map to get the difficulty the community would have wanted? Every change you make to bring the difficulty down has the risk of going too far, making the map far too easy. I think its perfectly valid to point out why the map is too hard, I just want to make sure people aren't blaming the mappers for this stuff, they had an impossible task and just got unlucky IMO. That being said... I think the major thing I'll fault them for is the idea to build the map in a spiral. Its a cool concept, I can see why after they thought of it they probably grew attached to it. Its simple and brutal in its design. But its way too brutal. I actually think that if Deep Dip 1 was built in the same way, it would have been around 4x harder. I can defend the individual jumps and map length and chalk it up to the mappers just having an impossible task when it came to gauging difficulty - but I think it should have been obvious that the spiral shape was just going to be insanely brutal. Even if the spiral shape didn't draw out the time its taking to beat the map - I don't think its FUN at its core to have these huge falls this often. Other Foddian games understand this, with the 100% fall moments being much less frequent. I already know the mappers are getting a lot of hate for the difficulty, I just hope people don't pile on too much (not saying you are doing that in any way, your comment is respectful and useful - just putting down my two cents)
Perfectly reasonable decision. I am a 40 year old gamer who hasn't played that much the last few years. I was starting to think I just wasn't that interested in playing games anymore, but after seeing your video I started following the Deep Dip event, which made me install Trackmania to try Shallow Dip because it looked so fun. And let me tell you, the 32 hours I took to beat Shallow Dip were the most fun I've had with gaming in years.
Mostly the same for me. I played Trackmania back in 2012 and this Wirtual's Deep Dip and DD2 adventures got me to install the game again. It's clear the last month has taken an unhealthy toll on the poor guy. He puts a lot of effort in to entertain and interact, something the other climbers aren't focusing on so much. Not easy. Nice to see the support his followers generally show in this decision.
Okay fine. As a 44 year old former gamer who's never played Trackmania and a similar story to yours, your comment has given me the push to finally install it and try myself. Wish me luck!
Im really sorry about it, I was looking forward everytime for your progress but I understand it completely. I tried out TM because of you (Im a RL player) and I genuinely think you are the most humble, lovable and best person streamer I have ever seen. Thank you for the dedication you put in, I was very happy to see you climb. This is the most I have ever watched you streaming. I am also happy to be a part of this incredible moment of you life. I love you Wirtual, you are like a friend to me! ❤️
You have done so much for all of us in this community and you should never forget how thankful we are. Out of anyone that participated in this event you had to work the hardest in my opinion. This is something I and many others have unlimited amounts of respect for. I think it's even fair to say that you actually won the event in other (maybe even more important) ways. So many new players, so much hype around the game and you are the biggest reason for that. None of us are leaving, keep your head up high and be proud of what you've achieved because I don't think anyone else could've done it the way you did. =)
Sure, kacky can be brainrot as well, but at least you don't spend half an hour only to get one attempt. Every try could be the one and the map rotation on the servers helps keeping things a bit more fresh
The difference is, he has to repeat 10+ floors of mildly difficult jumps now that he has practiced and gotten good at them just to go up more floors to potentially fail something stupid and maybe not even get to PB vs do maps that take between seconds to mins to repeat and get better at consistently. There is no real challenge for him in the earlier floors so it's just repeat something boring over and over for 10-30+ mins to even hope get to the new challenge and if not failed before repeat after fail.
The biggest problem I haven't seen anyone address so far is the huge price pool. Sure, it's cool to have a big reward for the players that (hopefully) can finish it. But without 30k on the line, DeepDip 2 would have become what it should've been based on the map alone: A stupidly hard map that would take months to finish for the most dedicated players. But with all the hype, and the build up, and the money, and the excitement, there was (and is) such a huge pressure to make progress and finish the map as fast as possible that it's really unhealthy for the players and boring for the viewers. tldr: DeepDip2 flew too close to the sun.
or maybe just show a little bit of constraint and don't play it 24/7... if you aren't a TM pro and you thought you had a chance to win the prize there's just nothing to say
The last 4 floors are insane given that you need to drive perfectly for 30 minutes to only get one attempt at a single trick. Just like the voiceovers say: It's about the journey not the end. And there is absolutely no fault in not reaching the end in this madness. You already gave us an amazing journey ❤
I think the map would have been amazing if it had finished at the end of floor 10. Would have taken Wirtual around 90 hours, so perfectly within the "twice as hard as Deep Dip 1" criteria, and the majority of it was skill-based, not "upside-down plastic and prayers".
@@drunkenhobo8020 Yeah... I think part of the issue is since none of the mappers actually complete it in the same way the players are its hard for them to fully understand the difficulty... Honestly just probably making it not a spiral and requiring a mapper to beat their floor 10 times in a row (to prove consistency) would have made the map so much more fun to play.
@@Cacti54321Honestly proving consistency +length would help. If there are 16 floors no floor should take a player experienced on it more than 2 minutes. No one was in charge of sanity control for the project, they went full Dark Souls 2 on it. All hard, no fun
@@orionweiss5418 Yeah. On one hand I can see how this can easily happen, since each mapper is realistically only looking at their 1/16 of the tower and so I'm sure they all had good intentions too when building it, but with a mindset of making it more difficult than deep dip 1. I think the issue mainly comes in how much different it feels when doing your floor in isolation (That you have probably run countless times testing tricks and other things) compared to players who get few attempts with most of these attempts being when are pressured mentally either from exhaustion or pressure of falling. A lot of these tricks that seem too hard I think are honestly really cool looking when done right, and I'm guessing that's the mappers intent of making a cool difficult trick, but its pretty much impossibly for anyone on their team without actually grinding deep dip 2 to fully understand the mental challenges involved. And this is without including things like plastic or recoveries, which I think can be improved with hindsight... I'm sure they might even agree with some of the suggestions (although with how hostile a lot of people have been about it its also likely they get defensive) My main point is just that I don't really think its possible for them to of had a good sanity control unless they actually had a few players have early access to grind and grind the map over and over to get these results.
@@Cacti54321 Mmm, I think there is a lot that can be done honestly. Perspective is important. They should have known going in that this was going to be the largest TM event of the year, for the entire community. Having it burn out even the best players and end with an air of negativity is a bad thing for the entire community. You can low ball clear time by letting people clear individual levels, and then adding in the full time to get back for every failure. That alone should have shown that floors 15 and 16 are dogshit design. You just don't put those at the end of a 30+ minute run, it's abusive. And that's the problem. The passion for the project is clear, but it is equally clear no one was acting as the brakes. All those finicky plastic jumps, excessive length for no reason, and tricks that are not consistent enough super late in the run are things that should have been easy to catch and would have massively helped the level. Hopefully the massive good the level does for the community isn't offset too badly by the lack of oversight, and they can continue with the new tradition tempered by restraint for what should be done rather than what can
I'm glad you're prioritizing you're mental health over beating this map. We all know you love this game but a whole month of grinding gets exhausting. We love you Wirtual
The map is literally designed to be the toughest challenge possible. It's designed to be frustrating and hellish to complete. Don't feel bad about saying "nah I'm good"
Nobody talking about how he ignores the fact he promised to put $1 towards each fall and donate it. Clearly just a cash grab and he left so he doesn’t have to do charity. The fact anyone supports this guy is sad
I've been tracking your PB and fitting some functions through them. Your last PB of 1500 m was at around 200 hours (including offline playing). A squared function was a pretty good fit until you hit the 1248 m PB, at which you were stuck for like 35 hours. A squared function predicts it takes around 400 hours for you to finish, while a cubed function, which fits slightly better predicts around 500 hours. Because of this I'd say you are at best around half way done in climbing deep dip 2, if you look at hours invested.
@@hralyb3513 I can give you the equations for the fit functions. I've forced them to have 0 offset, even though the map starts at 34 m. The squared function of time as a function of height is time = 0.0001024*height^2-0.0323*height. The cubed function is time = 4.864E-8*height^3+2.162E-6*height^2+0.01489*height. The squared function has an R^2 of 0.9897, and the cubed is 0.9924.
Never even thought it could be a clickbait. I mean, when we see how things have evolved : less and less players on the tower, Bren's losing his mind tring to complete it, Hazard raged quit yesterday, eLconn tired too... I don't know if someone will finish it tbh, it has been a month and the hype is way over, players' not having fun anymore. There's a world where no one finishes, or maybe after a long break and in weeks / months. The challenge was too hard, especially the end. And tbh, with the money involved and the fact no one seems to be able to finish it the "regular" way, I kinda expect ppl to start changing the rules, telling it publicly or not, by trying to hunt the last floor in editor. I wouldn't even blame them to do so at this point
Bren was the top English stream and the third overall on Twitch yesterday. The hype is still there and people will finish it, though maybe only 2-5 people this time round
Don’t apologize to us. You deserve to say “this isn’t worth it”, and you don’t owe anything to anyone aside from that. You gave almost 2 weeks of real time hours to it. That’s ALOT. YOU deserve better. I’m glad you’re going to(and have) put out other content than Deep Dip
Dude, I say this from the bottom of my heart: Thank you for sharing your feelings with us. This video (with all the background related to it) is the perfect example of being a realistic, self-care role model. I know I've needed to listen to myself like this before, and I know I would have been happier and healthier for doing it. Your helping yourself will help other people help themselves, too. *This* is The Vibe™ and I'm happy I get to be a part of it. 🏎💙
its only fun for the certain kinds of players. dd2 was never supposed to be for everyone; if it was, it would have checkpoints. i think more than it being a lesson in game design, its a lesson for the players. just because something is popular, or because something is hyped, doesn't mean that you are going to have fun with it. some games (or in this case, maps) are made for a specific type of player, and that type of player isn't always your every day joe. from reading a lot of these comments i think a lot of people need to learn that when it comes to extremely difficult challenges, there are going to be a lot of people who can't/wont do it; but that's alright. its not the players fault for not wanting to continue, but its also not the maps fault.
It's insanely difficult. Sure, they kinda needed to increase the difficulty level after DD1. But a map that hasn't been beaten by the world's best players after a month might just be too much
@@MrFaceOfThePlanet yes but's its possible to make something hard without sucking the joy out of playing it. The problem most people are pointing out is that when you fail on this map as opposed to dip deep, the falls are way more punishing. On Deep Dip one until you got to the snake, falls maybe took you down a floor or two. On Deep Dip 2 many falls take you all the way to the bottom which is why the map is taking 4 times longer to beat. Being unable to play tricky parts over and over without having to spend 40 minutes getting there everytime is draining and tedious for both players and viewers. I love Wirtual's content but watching him play floors 8-10 like a million times with 40 minute re-climbs after every fall was mind numbing after awhile, as it apparently was for him as well.
Yeah, as viewers we could see your misery. You honestly weren't yourself, and I think this is the healthy and responsible thing to do. I am proud of you. Try not to let doubt about this influence you. I saw you do things during this challenge that aren't you, banning supportive chatters who had your back because they brought "negative vibes", always reading messages as if they had a negative bent. You weren't in a good space. I have missed positive Wirtual, and am looking forward to having him back.
Giving up is honestly a skill that we should all posess. It's so easy to say "no just never give up, always keep going, the only thing holding you back is yourself, never surrender". It sounds inspirational, we want it to be true. But at a certain point the question you need to ask yourself is at what is the cost of all of this, am I getting out of it what I wanted, am I going to succeed or am I just putting myself in a spot where I am miserable over and over because I am too stubborn to course correct? I know I've pushed myself into very bad situations before with the "never surrender" attitude. I wish I would have been better at giving up when I was younger. Knowing when to push on and when it's wise to pivot is crucial to having a happy life.
Want to give you the biggest hug right now man. You’ve done better than 99%, which is an amazing achievement in and of itself. One day you may beat this, but beating it shouldn’t be a goal. It’s about how far you can go, that’s what important. Can’t wait to see the new things that are gonna happen in the future. Have a good one man.
tbh Deep Dip 2 event felt like a pain to watch for me and I hated every single day you streamed for it. It's stupidly hard and not fun. I'm glad you quit.
Yeah, same. The first 2 days were fun to watch, but it gets old quick. It's a Schadenfreude event. I just don't enjoy sticking around watching someone fail a map for an entire month. Not saying it isn't worth playing - but is it worth watching?
@@acrylique2976it’s not the pleasure from watching people fall. It’s the pleasure from watching people overcome impossible barriers through sheer skill and determination that people watch for
I really do feel like they over-designed deep dip 2. 2 weeks max is a good competition length for something like this. If you really look at other competitions nothing lasts longer than 2 weeks. Even sports really fall into this maximum length. Otherwise you wear out the competitors and the viewers.
Even a month is fine if the expectation is there, it being framed as a marathon more than a sprint. But with dd1 taking only 40 hours (bren play time) to a first finish this came outta nowhere taking over 200 hours (probably close to 250)
I have said this before, peak deep dip was in the first 2 weeks, and it's been kinda sad to see how more and more players have dropped out. The creators overshot the mark with how difficult they made this one, which I don't blame them for as it's hard to judge. If they decide to do a deep dip 3, they will need to put the difficult somewhere between 1 & 2. I think the real issue here is that spiral design of the map, falls are extremely punishing, and a fuck up in the wrong place can send you hurtling 4 floors, if not all the way to the bottom. Inconsistent tricks (typically plastic ones) need to have friendly recovery routes. The difficulty of the tricks required is fine, but it's the ever-growing punishment for failing them that makes the map so gruelling. Without how difficult some tricks on the map are, it would still be too difficult for all but the most elite players even if the map was forgiving with its falls. Mentally, a fall that sets you back 5 minutes is far less arduous than a fall that sets you back 40 minutes. You still need to drive really consistently even with 5 minutes per fall, but at least it won't break the players. TBH an ideal deep dip probably takes Bren around 120 hours to complete.
@@midastheunwise2423 TBH I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with the map as released in its design goal. I think it WAS supposed to be harder and have less finishers, just look at the prize pool. It's okay if only 3 people beat it. But I do think DD2 should be the end of the tower mapping. I hope the team comes together and invents a new type of exciting event.
@@LucolanYT It's worth noting that the map is clearly much harder than the mappers intended, or they would not have originally claimed it was twice as hard as DD1. I'd say floor ordering, the spiral design, and the abundance of plastic don't really add to the map at all.
You have my utmost respect Wirtual. I only followed you attempting this, but even I got bored of the grind. Your whole channel output and demeanour suffered as a result and I was so pleased to see you putting out different content again. Don’t look at it as giving up or failing, just look at it as postponing things until you are able to practice without the grind. You WILL get to the top and we will be there when you do 👍🏼 The weight loss analogy is apt, but if you aim for 10 and lose 7, you have still lost weight. If the next you remain the same, then look at it as no gain. You have such a positive attitude and clear determination - blindfold completion…you’ve done it, that was mad! All the best mate 😊
This is a very healthy desicion and I am very happy for you. I hope you will have fun with dd2 when you try to finish it. As someone who is suffering from burnout, because I put to much unnessacary stress on myself, I think this is very responsible. There is no point in draining yourself because of your pride and imaginary expectaions to the point of letting the people you care about pay the price for it. Source: Trust me, bro And frankly... I grew tired of seeing the grind. Looking forward to your upcoming content!
I've said it on another video, but I think there is way more empty space on this deep dip. You lose so much more progress on average when you fall, of course it's going to be incredibly demotivating. Getting Over It and other rage games you might lose an hour of progress but then it might take you only half of that to climb back up, then half again the next time. If every other fall put you at the bonfire in Jump King it would be an atrocious grind. WP to Wirtual, good runs ++
What you've done so far for this event and consequently for Trackmania as a whole is incredible. Of course, this event would still be live and the competition would still be on with Bren, Hazard, Lars, Elconn and others making superhuman efforts into reaching the goal first, but in terms of promoting the event, patiently answering every question in chat and doing your best to keep a positive and fun stream for your viewers and fans of this game all around the world to enjoy, the weight of your contribution cannot be understated and as such, I think you've absolutely earned a break. Thank you for the last month of streams and enjoy whatever else you plan on doing now! Mental health is far more important than anything else when it comes to these things, as fun as competing is. We'll be here to see you finish this project once the time is right 💙
Thank you for looking out for your mental health; the sunk cost fallacy with something you've spent a month grinding is huge and I think it's incredibly brave to say "you know what, I'm done with this; it's not worth it right now."
I think this highlights even more how dedicated whoever wins is, it's like people who speedrun 1000 hours don't make a PB and still keep going 1000 more hours until they get that world record
Ignore the Kacky haters, it's a different type of experience, it's not the same "brain rot" like it would be doing more Deep Dip 2. I would say your Kacky videos are what really drew me to this channel the most. They're definitely still my favorite videos that get posted here. And it's easily to tell that you personally enjoy that stuff A LOT when you are doing it. Nothing would make me happier to see you play more Kacky. And I suspect it's something which will make you happier too.
I could tell it was wearing on you. This Deep dip should have been twice as hard as the original at most, but it's taken more than 4 times as long to beat it. That's absolutely insane. No worries, I'm enjoying you're other stuff, and I'll be interested to see you beat it after you can practice the floors! And I can't wait to see Kacky too!
the last two videos actually had me worry if it was still healthy to do for you, so I'm glad you were thinking about that as well and decided there were enough reasons not to continue. I'm eagerly awaiting the continuation after the practice maps release, and until then the rest seems very fun as well!
Loved seeing your journey through Deep Dip 2 so far. ♥You really did an insanely good job not only getting as far as you have, but doing it while being entertaining, commentating and getting so many new people excited about the game. I'm excited to see you finish it in due time once the practice maps are out, this is nothing to be ashamed of, Deep Dip 2 is a ridiculous challenge and you absolutely killed it for a month straight. All the best wishes to you Wirtual!
Sometime, "giving up" is actually the brave thing to do. It took me a lot of years and a few bad mistakes to learn that personally. If this is affecting you negatively, and you don't see the end point any more, you are doing the right thing. Thanks for all you did so far and for whatever else you are going to do now!
I realized it when you were at floor 6 or 7. This map does not scale (no pun intended) properly. Of course they wanted to make it bigger than DD1, because more is more better, right? Well, I'm gonna be perfectly honest, and it's not because I want to be mean. I think the mappers kinda blew it. They didn't want to make DD2 as difficult as they did, but most people have huge problems conceptualizing power laws (compounding interest, logarithmic growth, that kind of thing). That's why the mappers didn't see it intuitively. They obviously also didn't do the math, which would have led them to the same conclusion, and they didn't extensively test the map as a whole, which again would have led them to the same conclusion. So they ended up with a hella imba map. I don't want to rag on them, because we're all human and we all make mistakes, but I hope and believe that they're learning from this, and maybe get knocked down a notch, and that DD3 will be a more holistic design, and more balanced.
I'm proud of your effort and where you got to I've been playing TM on and off since 2007 and couldn't even reach floor 1 Looking forward to seeing how you go in Kacky and eager to learn some desert strats
I think everyone that follows you, understands it, and wishes you well, wether you finish it or not. Of course we will be waiting those streams/videos of you grinding and finishing it, but I feel that should wait if we don't get the smiling Wirtual you show on all of those. Stay well and enjoy! Good Luck, Have fun (specially the last part)
You make excellent content, and what better time to make your usual TM content than when loads of new people have found an interest due to Deep Dip 2. Have some fun with the game again!
Don't put yourself down so much. When I tried the first floor for an hour or so, I thought to myself: I'd love to be able to achieve this one floor man! But yeah, it's MUCH harder than it looks...
Honestly, what you're going through is more than understandable. It's a hell of a map, and you honestly deserve this break! You kept the entertainment factor really high throughout regardless and now it's our time to understand your situation and support you. So take the time for your sanity and don't feel like a loser at all! ♥♥ We all love ya Wirt!
Huge respect man, i cant even begin to imagine how mentally taxing playing this map must have been. Even if you beat it after practicing on the practice maps it will still be a monumental achievement. Imagine if Geometry dash players had no practice mode and couldnt play sections of the levels at a time, that would be absolutely insane, and the same goes for this map.
I didn't realize you were feeling like that about deep dip 2, watching the streams made it seem like you were enjoying your time with chat and not letting the map get to you, kind of playing it like a pass time, but that only makes it more impressive. I'm happy if you're happy, I would never want you to feel pressured to keep going even when you are mentally suffering, I'm glad you made the choice! and also, if you would want a checkpointed version of the map or something like that, hit me up 😉
I'm 44 now and played 1st trackmania version 20 years ago. I follow your content - especially deep dip 2 - for some time now. Honestly, you made me buy newest trackmania and play it split screen with my son. It is so much fun and cool competition to us. Thank you for that. 😊 I'm sure you will climb roof of deep dip 2 when the time comes. 👍🏻
Thanks for the incredible entertainment during your attempts!!! It was fun to watch and listen. I fully understand your reasons to wait for the practice releases and I'm looking forward to see you beating the speedrun record ;) - Danke aus Deutschland!
It looks like this is already what you've landed on, but you're definitely making the right call. Also, definitely come back and beat it once you can practice the individual floors; I would love to see that
On point. It somehow manages to kill both the driving part, by being so unpredictable and buggy on jumps, as well as the recovery aspect of DD, by almost always bouncing you out into some random abyss. That it was allowed into basically every floor is just bananas
@@NicoO0Oo1I think they prioritized looks over functionality. Adding roofs or making something plain tarmac instead of plastic would have made sense in so many places. It just wouldn’t have looked good
Thank you for all thoses lives, you were on my side during stressfull study session. We've all set a goal that happened to be way harder than expecting even if we expectto struggle. Be able to leave it on the side because of responsibilities is a very hard decision but it only make you a stronger man. Be proud of what you've accomplished, you're on the top of the top even after stopping. I look forward to see your next content and see you cross the finish line once youve practiced the top floors Thanks for everything and GOGOGO BREN AL GAIB YOH CAN DO IT
Though it seemed like a great challenge at first, I absolutely do not blame you for stepping away from it. I feel the design of Deep Dip 2 really went overboard. The first one was a great challenge but this one feels almost sadistic in its difficulty, like it's brutal and demoralising for the sake of it rather than being a fun and engaging challenge. Regain your enjoyment of the game, have fun with kakky and only come back to this if you feel genuinely mentally prepared. Your videos are at their best when you are having fun, so please keep having fun. Look after yourself, I know first hand how hard it can be to cope with a demoralising situation. I look forward to whatever great video you do next ❤
I think this is a good decision, too much of one project, especially one as mentally gruelling as this cant be healthy, I haven't watched the whole vid yet, but this still applies
I'm not gonna lie and say I'm not bummed, it was for sure super enjoyable following you're journey. I turned 30 this year and I've gamed my entire life, and with only 1 year of playing, Trackmania has already earned my #1 spot as my favorite game ever. I wouldn't have found it without your main channel videos, so I have a ton of respect and gratefulness for you. As well as the fact that you often try to explain what you are doing, to help teach new players. And help it does! So while I was invested in your climb, since you kind of have this unknown (in the personal sense) mentor status. I *completely* understand the reasons you've listed. (I'll be honest, I didn't even think about the fact that you have editors under you that need content.) You've been a source of uplifting vibes for me, and I can only assume others. I hope we can now be that for you in the face of this choice. I really hope overall it wasn't a bad experience for you, and I hope that now that this race is done, you can just get back to things you fully enjoy. :) Here is to going fast, having fun, and spinning fish.
It takes lots of courage & bravery to keep going. And it takes exactly the same amount, if not more, to know when to back down & quit, willingly letting go of the glory. Don't be too hard on yourself. You don't need to be a winner, or to prove yourself to no one. The only thing that matters is that you do something with a smile on your face, and because you're happy doing it. Kudos. ;)
Hey, I broke a rib at the beginning of May and I was very thankful being able to follow you live making progress and having some distractions from the constant pain. I was wondering what happened to your approach, thanks for the update, very understandable. I wanted to see you succeed, and I still think at some point I’m going to see a video where you do but if not that’s fine, it was fun and you’re going to do other fun things. Definitely not disappointed ;)
The question you raised "Am I quitting because it is logical or because I lack the winner mentalitiy?" is one that resonates so much with me. Rock climbing is my Trackmania, doing an 8a/8b is my Deep Dip equivalent. You know what the worst thing is? For me, I figured out that the answer is not one or the other, but both. There are so many valid reasons to quit, take it slow, do it later, whatever, and there is nothing wrong with that. Especially if it's about health, obligations and responsibility towards others. Still, quitting hurts, because you know that if you truly - singlemindedly - wanted to continue, you could. You could probably make it work somehow. There might be consequences though. And so you decide to let it slip. And there's no one who can blame you for that. Life is a balance, and you took your stance. At a later point, you might decide differently, and that's fine as well. For now I will continue fighting because I know I can. I would like to offer all my encouragement for you to keep going as well - not necessarily with Deep Dip, but with whatever challenges life has coming for you next.
Only the foolish don't know when it's time to cut their losses and live another day. When the cost of the journey begins to outweigh the potential reward, it is always good to contemplate reevaluating the journey.
I’m also a climber. I’d say the analogy works better when talking about sending a specific route/climb, than doing any climb of a specific level. It fucking sucks to feel close to a climb but day after day not make progress, and I’d argue it’s usually better to try other things and come back when you’re feeling better physically and/or mentally, which is what wirtual is doing.
Well said! As a fellow climber I can relate a lot as any slacking off might cause you to lose strength while too much training might get you injured. There is no perfect optimum, there is always a tradeoff.
this is the same feeling some Geometry Dash pro players have, the feeling of getting far but loosing and having to continue the grind again is really frustrating sometimes, and most of the times you stop enjoying playing that level/map because of how long it is taking you. i completelly understand u as a GD player and its completelly fine to take a break, you are a true warrior, cuz doing the same thing thousands of attempts is really difficult. i also have that feeling of thinking that im wasting my time, because focusing in one single map takes your time to do other fun things, and sometimes you feel like its not worth it, but believe me it is, at the end it is, but its not bad to take a break. Take care Wirt :)
Being able to quit like this, facing all those expectations you talked about dead on, after so much blood, sweat and tears, already crowns you. A man's man.
We all appreciate all the content you’ve brought us on Deep Dip 2, the videos and streams have been a lot of fun to watch. Doing what’s best for you is ultimately what’s most important, and we’re all excited to see new content too and if/when you do revisit Deep Dip 2 it’ll be great to see you hopefully refreshed and motivated again. Looking forward to the new vids and content!
Yeah, so DD2 got wayyyy too hard for its own good. DD1 took one week to finish, we're over a month after the start of DD2 and it's still not done. DD1 was an impossible achievement for most players and now we can see that DD2 is the same but for one of the top players.
I player deep dip for 2 hours and it felt like brain rot. Its crazy for me that you have played for 200 hours and just now it feels like brain rot. I loved watching you and still love watching you when you try again. You can for sure do this and I will watch when you do. Good luck wirtual and have an amazing time doing this😁
Honestly this map has been a testament to the absolute best of the best in TM in the sense that even achieving floor 3 is unobtainable to 99% of the community. So to even achieve floor 14, that if you're not attempting to blaze the trail with guys like Hazardu and Bren, all you are doing is destroying your mental for really nothing more than internet clout. Massive respect wirtual for what youve achieved already, and even more so for knowing when you need to tap out on an event like this
100% supportive of your choice, I also think that I'd prefer you talking and creating content you enjoy and share your good vibes. There is a line between a challenge and a goal, maybe you should view for the next events like this as a challenge over the time you allow it to be a part of your life, and feel proud for progress and effort you made toward this. You always gain something through a challenge, achieved or not, be yourself and be well!
You're not dissapointing anyone, it's much more important and fun to watch a happy Wirtual doing other stuff than a burnt out Wirtual grinding the tower. Keep up the great work fellow racist :)
You said it might be 100 or 200 more hours... and it might not be enough. You are right in one respect. That won't be enough. What's going on with those top floors is a near exponential disaster. Frankly Wirtual, it was an epic gaming moment but the failure was the map being too hard. It's just plain too brutal. The rest of us watching, even if you slogged it through for 200-300-400-500 more hours are going to be as bored of it as you long before it's over. It's ok. Let it go. Let's cheer for whoever is insane enough to finish it. But this really is a map that only maybe two people in the world can actually have a shot at finishing without having practice floors. This isn't an excuse for you. You did beyond good.
I don't think I could've thrown myself at this for 20 hours, let alone hundreds. You already have shown amazing fortitude. Take care of yourself and know when to quit.
The burnout is real. Glad you had the realization before it got worse. Was awesome to see u explore random maps in the fast 5 event, and actually enjoying it so much. Looking forward to you being fresh so you can then finish the map. Have fun. And having been there, you could absolutely tank it, but you'd also ABSOLUTELY HATE IT. When you burn out you burn out.
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It's a fun fact that Wirtual have beaten all the trackmania nations forever tracks blindfolded, and now it turned out to be easier than the Deep dip 2.
That's such a good point! 😂 DD2 is wild
it is because there was always progress and new map
I wonder if getting the AT blindfolded on all maps would be easier
Where's the funny tho
no. Have you thought of e05 ? 💀
I 100% agree with waiting for the release of the practice floors. No one blames you for holding off until then. Lars, ElConn, Hazard, and Bren are absolute beasts for putting in the grind, but don’t let their dedication minimize the progress and time you’ve put into this. You are the reason so many people watch those guys now. Be proud, Wirt.
I think you were really brave Wirtual, following what @obscurity3027 said and quoting what you said in the video, floor 14 is the 7 kilograms and 16 is 10kg, so be proud that YOU were one of the few that conquered almost 90% of completion, for now. And later is later, to hit the 100% when time is right.
Nobody talking about how he ignores the fact he promised to put $1 towards each fall and donate it. Clearly just a cash grab and he left so he doesn’t have to do charity. The fact anyone supports this guy is sad
@@lilbaphometofficial Me, not knowing that was something he promised, and also not caring if someone gives money to charity or not, still supporting him by watching him and not giving him any money. How come you know all this and still come to his channel then? Isn't it sadder to trail someone that you find sad? The fact that you copy and paste the same comment into multiple reply chains isn't sad? You know you're indirectly supporting him by interacting with his channel right? If you truly didn't want to support him, just ignore everything this guy does, but nah, going to his channel to drop a reply on every comment is probably the best way to do that right?
Talk about sad.
@@Wolta thank you for giving me advice. However I shall not listen to someone who agrees with scamming fans, lying to thousands and telling them if they donate for it will help developers ETC, furthermore. The only way to actually get my comment noticed is to spam and I am very happy to spread the message of boycotting this man! I am very proud I get to tell thousands of people the truth while you act like a sheep 😜
They're so sick of the grind, too.
"Playing deep dip is brain rot" ... "Anyway, I'm excited for Kacky" lol. It's brain rot all the way down.
Kacky is fun tho :) Not the same type of brain rot
@@hydrixman1204, I would argue the challenge of Deep Dip/Deep Dip 2 is fun too.
@@flyingphoenix113 Fun for the viewer when he's close to pb, not fun anymore for Wirtual as he said in the video
@@flyingphoenix113you didn't play it as much as wirtual.
not the same tbh
Being responsible enough to know when you're at your limit and should quit is really difficult. You have my respect for that decision wirtual! Looking forward to more chill streams soon
@@Votexforxme I would like to see you try the same challenge mr armchair expert.
@@Votexforxme L take here. Taking a break from the map until it's more manageable is far far better. There's no point in trying to push something when it's not fun, and being able to admit that, despite wanting to beat the map, is certainly not "weak". Very, very few people will beat this map, and we can see it's exhausting for even the top players. You try and do something for a month straight, something this tedious and frustrating, while having thousands of chatters saying inane stuff at you, and you will feel much the same. Don't knock a man for trying and admitting defeat.
@@Votexforxmedid you say he is dumb? You can't even put a sentence together R'kid. He put too much hours in think you mean many 😂. Absolutely dreadful take from a armchair doughnut. Get a grip if you don't have noyhi g decent to say or even a good take with logic to why its negative is fine but no you just ramble in broken English. L L L
@@nebula_tm What’s annoying is that he practically promised his viewers and himself that he would finish it no matter what. He knew it was going to be difficult.
Don’t promise something like that and then quit when it gets too hard.
@@nebula_tm Some people forget that video games are entertainment and meant to be fun. Now, for some being good at the game is also their income (people like Bren and Lars), but Wirtual is an entertainer and video creator first and foremost and playing something he doesn't enjoy is bad content. Streamers have really fucked with some people's views on video games, entertainment, and personal success.
I mean, the simple fact that it's taken this long and the map isn't done yet is... Insane. It's just too long, too hard. Even the most degenerate gamers just cannot take this long to do 1 thing. In the World of Warcraft scene, in the last expansion there was a raid that took just over 2 weeks to complete, one of the 2 guilds working on it stepped out because it took too long, you've been at it for twice that. Do not feel bad that you are stepping bad, be proud that you made it as far as you did, farther than 99.9% of players ever will, and go do something you enjoy.
*too long and too hard for Wirtual. They're still plenty of others left grinding it out.
@@FBFJDKOEUEURJFJDJ for 99.99% of players
@@FBFJDKOEUEURJFJDJ 7 days later hes still rank 7. only 2 finishers.
Tbf that guild in wow was in a venue miles away from their homes for 2 weeks. A bit different than playing tm at home. Not to say that 1 month of doing 1 map is not insane.
There is others tracks that he is 4th on with a 16min time, and the WR is sub 10min.
I can't lie: as a viewer, I'd love to have seen you finish this map (will always hope you one day will), but your reasoning is completely valid, you still made crazy impressive progress! Don't ever think you're disappointing us for dropping out! It was a glorious month of content and we'll stay here to follow you on the next chapter!!
He'll finish the map eventually. He'll never beat it though. Realistically, he was never going to be the first to finish, and as well, he rarely ever made serious progress without looking at someone else's run. Was he really ever playing deep dip 2, or was he just copying everyone else?
@@potatosordfighter666 There is always only 1 person that does something first. Even if you look at how to do something being able to do it is not the same as seeing it. Also I believe there are only like 7 other players that have gotten past floor 11 and at times wirtual was second in pb so saying he was copying 'everyone else' is a massive stretch if you ask me.
@@potatosordfighter666 not everyone's goal is to be the first (it's actually one of the voice lines you get in the Deep Dip 2 plugin)! Getting to where he's gotten (even by looking at someone else's run) is still an incredible achievement only few will ever accomplish. It's like speedrunning a game: just because I looked up someone else's run, does it take away the mental and mechanical prowess that it takes for me to get a record?
idc about you, I'm thoroughly disappointed
@@easye137 good thing there's more content creators out there then
Responsibility to the editors is super real. Once something is a job, there are a lot of responsibilities that need to be balanced. Respect for looking out for your coworkers.
They aren't coworkers, they are employees. It's a horrible decision to start Deep Dip 2 when you know you have 7even editors on the pay roll that are running out of work.
We love the editors,
He made so much money through dd2, can't he just give them paid vacation?
if he simply doesn't want to, ig thats fine
Editors are contract workers not employees
I ran a flower farm for 2 & 1/2 years. I put everything aside for it. I had florists I would wholesale to, consistent customers, the works.
No matter how much work I put it, I couldn't catch up with the overwhelming work, and I wasn't earning enough to get help. It felt like if I worked harder, longer, I could get on top of it. It felt like I wasn't good enough. It got so bad that I'd spend hours at the kitchen table, doing everything to hype up myself to get outside, only to work until 2am to try to catch up. But I didn't want to quit. I didn't want to be a failure.
It wasn't until looked really hard into the exact hours I was putting into it and realized I was making about $3 (AUD) an hour, that I knew I had to quit.
I'm so much happier for it. Knowing when to quit, taking that step, especially when you feel like you can do it, is one of the most difficult things.
These Deep Dip videos have been my favourite content this year. I was shocked when I saw the title, was sad (briefly, until I watched the video) to see them paused for the time being, but that's nothing compared to the respect I have for making this decision
the difference is, he is making MUUUUCH more than 3 dollars an hour, most of the subs he got on twitch, were subbing just beacause he was playing dd2
Who asked?
@@carenmeyer2691 💀💀💀
@@guuuh17 Hadn't considered that perspective 🤷valid take though!
understandable, have a good day :)
Hope your day goes well wirt
How you understand, you typed this 30 sec after upload
l hope that
@@MrVid21 The title was enough to understand him. I played this map (as a possibly average TM player) for about 40 hours and quit, too.
The feeling of climbing all the way to get one single try and do that over and over again is the most disappointing feeling i had in 25 years of gaming.
This is weird to say as a person who follows this random dude online, but I'm proud of Wirtual :)
@@MrVid21 he read the title of the video :)
This (unnecessarily) feels like an apology video..
As a non-trackmania player I just want to thank you for hiping, introducing great and (then still) unknown players and just showing the fun of participating in a community project.
You're great at your job, a great trackmania player and most of all a great en loveable person!
This shines through in every stream and video.
Thank you for being you and staying relatable.
Love ❤️
Totally unrelated, will you be streaming kacky....?🤗
hiping? LMAO
He said on many occasions he'd finnish, no mater what
@@foundwheels1939ever made a promise you had to break for whatever reason? He’s obviously feeling guilty, thinking he’s letting people down. Give the man a rest! It must be so mentally taxing to maintain that level of concentration…
@@Aurentheal wirtual so bad 🤣
This is a good showing of why something difficult of the 'Get Over It' genre isn't necessarily going to make for an enjoyable challenge. As much as people want something hard that will punish them back, a huge part of the appeal is that finishing is worth the effort expended. Sure, you'll fall down, and you have to try again and again, but that's mostly okay because you keep learning and improving, optimizing your playstyle as you rush back up to where you were.
But for DD2, you clearly reached the point where you have mastered the lower floors and are rushing through them, and you are still spending thirty minutes to get back to where you were. And even if all the jumps on the way back up were completely fair and reasonable, you are still going to make mistakes and be less than perfect, because you are human and this is a climb where you are meant to screw things up to begin with. That would be totally fine if it weren't for the fact that getting back up takes so much TIME to begin with.
Whether it is Getting Over It, Only Up, Deep Dip or anything else, the reason they enthrall their audiences is because restarting from scratch after a fall or a break is like a sprint up hill. You spend ten or so minutes, and you're back at where you left off, all while feeling the immense satisfaction of having rushed up and feeling your own personal progress. But for DD2? It is calculated jump after calculated jump after jump after jump, and it takes forever. By the time you reach back to the one chance you have at the really difficult jump that has got you stymied, not only have you forgotten exactly what you tried last time, but you are already exhausted and demotivated by the thought of having to climb back up purely because of the time investment necessary to do so. 90% of the climb back up is a 30 minute timesink grind that punishes a momentary lapse of attention span, and that simply isn't fun.
The original Deep Dip unintentionally got the difficulty curve just right for the no-checkpoint genre. Maybe it was slightly too easy, but Deep Dip 2 went way overboard. I'm glad I'm not playing it.
deep dip 2 is not as bad as it gets in platforming
And I gotta say this, it’s not fun to watch either. Of course it’s insane if you catch Bren setting a WR, but watching someone start all over again is not very rewarding. Which is why I have a hard time watching DD2 live.
@@gairisiuil It's clearly harder than getting over it and other similar games lol
i wasn't talking about getting over it or any of the other games you are probably thinking of, but my original comment was poorly written anyway. i never meant to imply dd2 isn't hard, i was just saying that somehow, there are yet more difficult endurance platforming challenges (that have been completed), which was kind of a pointless comment to make anyways.
“Am I just lacking the winner mentality?”
Anyone who has gotten back up from a fall more than 1400 times is a winner in my mind. You are a true warrior.
I love DD2. But I'm also hoping that DD3 will be more fun to play.
THIS
Wirt has weak mental in a way, that he gets affected by chat a lot and cant stadn the preasure of big crowd *for prolonged time*
He also tilts a lot from big falls, which makes his next runs even worse
@@psychokuca302 who wouldn't after playing the same hard map for 10 hours a day?
I would love to see you not get tilted after losing an hour of your life for the 100th time in front of thousands of people
I don’t blame you! It’s been an exhausting grind I’m sure and you will be able to get back to it in the future
Bren and Lars may be streamers/creators but primarily they are TM Pros. Wirtual is a full-blow content creator who also happens to be one of the best in the world at the game, but it would take him being twice as good as any of the other top 5 to balance creating good content while beating deep dip, and that's just impossible.
I personally like when he's in chill mode.
People troll about his pyramid obsession a lot, but I like hearing them. He can eloquently tell mundane stories to be interesting, that's why his main channel is a million subbed story telling channel for a game "nobody cared" about.
I didn't honestly enjoy his stream as much when he's sulky because of the ultra-competitive nature of Deep Dip 2 (a lot more reason than this but yeah).
When you can clearly tell that bren and Lars are just so mentally dead from this map still playing after 200+ hours in a month it becomes apparent how much effort it would take for anyone else. Like wirtual said, he’d have to spend at least 100 or 200 more hours to beat it, and it’s just so far away while that same mental toll is being taken. Only a handful of people with both pro level and god-like determination can beat the map without practice floors and wirtual should be proud he made it so far before bowing out
@@default0467 At this point it's only really worth it truly grind it out if you think you can get some of the prize money. Otherwise, there's no reason to grind out the map at this point.
@@TheHeadincharge probably true for most people, but not Wirtual. He likely has zero interest in the prize money at this point because he earns quite enough, and will probably have earned more from this month than he would if he won the contest anyway. It would just be a very nice bonus. But IMO he will still want to beat the map in the future simply due to it being such a challenge, and we all know how much he loves TM-related challenges, no matter how convoluted they may seem to an outside observer.
Lars is not pro, he as a content creator contract with ITB
We got an 8 minute apology video cause wirt isn’t a robot and needs more in his life then DD2
He kinda low for this one... Made the most of every streamer. Prob the prizepool time’s 20 at least. And thats the only reason he quits. Because the hype is over.
What about the people working in factories there whole life. Imagine you need to climb a tower on pc for this kinda money….. he nothing but a biaatch
@@maxgibifyThe hype isn't over as much so that isn't exactly it, you go and play the exact same thing over and over again for days straight, this is a videogame supposed to be fun not a repetitive 9-5 job. I'm just happy for the videos we got and if I want to see it finished I'll check out Bren or Lars channels
@@se7en6277 its his job.. not even 9 to 5 but whenever he wants. How hard can it be. Let him work at a factory for a moment.
@@maxgibify ofcourse you are the correct one, right? The video lists 20 reasons, but no.. it has to be because the hype went down. You know this way better than him huh?
"Could I do it?"
- Yes, yes you could
"... SHOULD you do it?"
- No, it would cost you so much. It's not worth it.
I think you're making the right decision.
B.S. this is showing who are the true grinders
Exactly right. We all know he could, and he knows he could, but if there are better things to live for, there's no reason to kill off those moments just to satisfy that nagging sense of 'What if.' There's a point you should stop playing the lotto. There's a point you should acknowledge you're not going to be on a pro sports team. There's a point where, there's so many more paths ahead than just the one you've nailed your feet to.
@@Grandremone If this is sacrastic, then it's in bad taste. If it's not, then I completely disagree with this "BS, not a true grinder" mentality.
Streamers don't owe us anything. They owe themselves the chance to take care of their mental health and they owe the people they employ an ability to make income. That's it.
He's clearly disappointed and not beating around the bush either. He's owning it. Why be a dick about it?
@@GrandremoneI don't think Wirtual claimed to ever be the best lol, whatever he's done still shows a tremendous amount of dedication
@@bigtunajake9203I think "streamers don't owe us anything" is a partially untrue statement given that streamers tend to succeed more when they give their audience more. But I wholeheartedly agree with you-dude above has to be trolling
I felt for some time this was coming and cannot blame you. I got tired of re- watching the same floors over and over again, cannot imagine doing it myself. It's such a joy to watch TM at full speed, racing, and not positioning every jump, failing and climbing again from zero. Good for you, take care of yourself and I'm looking forward to watch you race again
It's alright. Focus on your own mental health, it's way more important than this race! ❤ Love ya Wirtual, keep being awesome!
"I will come back and beat this thing when I can."
Your goal is a set endpoint. Every journey has stops. Take your time, we will still be here
After all, trying beat this without practice floors would be like trying to beat eon, a 55 minute extreme demon in gd, without practice mode.
@@kerryhurley1904 Well fore my skills just an average demon level is enought.
@@kerryhurley1904 and It Is Also a really good comparison BC when I did a practice run of eon (which took roughly 1.45h) the end part o the part where I struggled the most, and that Is like deep dip 2, where the last floors are wayyyy more difficult than the previous ones . Now imagine getting to the hardest part of the level/map, not knowing what to do and just knowing that if u fail u have to do it all again from zero
@@henrijstihomirovs7424tbh fair enough, I woul struggle even practicing a hard demon😅
Not only is it the good decision, but it also is a good model to give. Being healthy enough to realise when to take the responsible action, as a competitive warrior. You have all of our respect, and gratitude for sharing this journey with us. I can safely say that a lot of us didn't care for deepdip, or even TM before your video. And now I am hooked onto both. So you go king. Thanks for everything
Healthy decision, big love!
More content to come fam letsgooo
Agreed!
o7 chain 👇👇
I agree! The danish supports you Wirtual ❤❤
@@LouieGog o7
@@LouieGogo7
Yes dude! Choose life! Choose steering away from the "too much."
Your message here is not only absolutely respectable, I'll even go so far as to say you're being a great role model for how to handle taking on too much.
I've been wondering for a while now how anyone can continue for so long everyday with diminishing and diminishing returns.
You absolutely deserve your health - mental, physical, social, so it is obvious to me that you've made the right call. A really tough call for sure, but _the right call._ Moreover, you've spoken very well to openly communicate where you're coming from and where you want to go, acknowledging and not apologizing that this is an incompatible path that you'll now change. Reading through these comments, it's clear I'm far from alone in supporting you in this course correction. You've done a great job and I'm proud of your fortitude and stamina, the dedication you've brought to this challenge. You've given it a hell of a lot! And I'm proud of you now for recognizing risk and harm in your life, and deciding and taking action to opt out of continuing it.
Congrats on getting as far as you have. I look forward to seeing you complete it ... and having more fun at it!
I agree, this is a fantastic thing to do for someone who is such a role model for so many young people. I see too many UA-camrs who push the “grind at all costs” mindset and it’s not good for humans as a whole. We need less of that and more of caring about others and yourself.
Wow this comment makes me cry in a good way.
I am in a position in my life where "taking on too much" has left me in a state of mental ilness and I am constantly trying to decide whether another project that is fun or another challenge is the right thing to take on (because I have gotten extremly avoidant over time while in a severely depressive phase) or if its gonna push me over into burnout again.
So reading your comment made me realize how good it is to see people openly talk about learning ones one limits and actively deciding to step away from a challenge, even a self imposed one and not calling it a defeat but celebrating how far you got and that you listened to what you feel is the correct choice.
Thank you so much for sharing this ❤
Yeah, I was feeling the same watching the video. Wirtual is being a really good role model here - sometimes moving on is the right choice. And it's very important to know when that is.
Choose life.
Choose a job.
Choose a career.
Choose a family,
Choose a fucking big television
Choose washing machines, cars,
Compact disc players, and electrical tin openers.
Choose good health, low cholesterol
And dental insurance.
Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments.
Choose a starter home.
Choose your friends.
Choose leisure wear and matching luggage.
Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase
In a range of fucking fabrics.
Choose DIY and wondering who you
Are on a Sunday morning.
Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing
Sprit-crushing ga me shows
Stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth.
Choose rotting away at the end of it all,
Pishing you last in a miserable home
Nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish,
Fucked-up brats
You have spawned to replace yourself.
Choose your future. Choose life.
Agree, quite this game completely, go study, improve your life skills.
100% understandable. I have no problem grinding hard things, but 30+ minutes just to attempt the single next thing is just too much of a time barrier for me.
No one would have beaten games like I Wanna be the Guy if the hardest mode with no checkpoints was the only one that existed. It had easier modes with checkpoints and then people started to realize they had gotten so good at it that they didn't need the checkpoints at the easier modes so they tried a no-checkpoint run. The game wouldn't be fun at all if there were no checkpoints to begin with and people had to make a flawless run for 40 minutes just to see if they could progress one step further.
I think there's a lot to be learned from that.
Restarting a blind playthrough with each mistake is insane. Imagine if we played other games this way? That would be like restarting Dark Souls whenever you take damage. Can't practice... just pray you don't get hit after spending hours getting back to where you were. Absolutely masochistic, I'm honestly not surprised even super passionate players are burning out.
The biggest +2 ❤
yea, most such challanges in games can be done after finishing the entire game, in Dark Souls you can have unlimited practice and memorize every step of the playthrough, SO you can have a chance in trying nohit playthroughs
The game Noita is a bit like that but its not quite the same since a single mistake will not always reset you to 0.
nitpick, but it's not a blind restart as you retain all the information you had before having to restart. there have also been no-hit runs of every single souls game (even in sequence) and while they are peak masochism, people do set them out as a goal to be achieved.
Man that's such a good comparison to show how trully difficult this map is
Bro quits at 80%. That's still 80% of the hardest possible map. Grinding your balls against a grindstone is absolutely impressive, but you gotta ask yourself if that's really worth it
maybe 80% of the map but probably around 25% of the actual difficulty
@@valkak3532that’s far too exaggerated imo. Like the last 20% has to be done after the other 80% and may be the hardest but not to that degree
Yep, it's what i noticed in the first week. Some people (and wirtual himself at that point) think about progression on this map as linear. For example " i'm at level 8 it means i'm halfway there". In reality difficulty of this map scales exponentially. Every new floor, every pb - it's just a new opportunity to loose all the progres in subsequent run while you trying to match your pb. I feel like bro is quitting at 60-65%, it could have easily taken him a 120 more hours
classic 80-20 principle at work
@@itchiegamesstreamer so entitled so ill just complain about it every moment I can🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 L take bro stop watching nobody will miss you anyways, not in this community, not irl either. Dont like it? Leave.
Dude I love what you're doing and I'm proud of you as well! Watching you try and try again, staying cool and focussed... Amazing, brother. The last time I played trackmania was as a little kid some 20 years ago. Now I'm 30 and your videos got me to playing the game again. I love your energy and the way you bring together the community. Keep it up man.
You have had incredible willpower to continue as far as you have. I can't imagine spending an entire month focusing on something so time-consuming and alienating. It is HARD. And to make it as far as you have is already an incredible accomplishment. I've enjoyed watching so many of your deep dip streams. I will continue to watch your other ones as well!! Can't wait to see what the future brings! Good job Wirt!
Its not giving up anyway. Its setting priorities and turning a short term goal into a long term goal, which is, regarding the insane difficulty of this map, a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Beating this map will still be an incredible achievement, even if your not the first.
7:42 "Could I sleep less" - As soon as these are the kind of thoughts you are doing in pursuit of something, it's time to let go, it's becoming and unhealthy obsession, taking care of yourself comes first!
I think a lot of people can agree that DD2 was just a little TOO ambitious on its scope. Sure a bigger tower sounded better with more floors but when each floor has tricks and mechanics that just end runs so easily not to mention that some of these CRAZY tricks are on the upper most floors. I think the floor ordering could of been a bit better with some of these zany tricks being a big lower in the tower. And as others have mentioned, theres a bit more much judicial use of plastic.
Edit: As someone pointed out, Punishing falls is probably the biggest issue. Due to the sprial, a fall would be multiple floors and with all of the plastic littered around the track, unless you landed on your wheels, your just going to bounce off everything to the bottom. Plus due to some of the bugs with the game like the landing bug, a fall can be completely out of your control and asking a hour of perfect play with zero bugs is asking for trouble.
if you compare it to the original getting over it, the big difference is how unforgiving falls are. It feels like half of the falls are dead turtles or go to the lower floors.
My main suggestion would be to be more forgiving for falls, some of the pools could be bigger, some more scenery could make long falls more unlikely, more recovery roads etc.
It’s a whole different ballgame, if resets are the exception, when you make a mistake, instead of the usual outcome.
Yeah, getting over it has like 5 solid "checkpoints" through the game. If you make it to the radio tower after 10 hours of playing and failing, one missed jump takes you back.... to the start of the radio tower. That's why Orange Hell is named that. It is one of the few places where you can easily lose an hour's worth of progress.
@@sailingintosunshine yeah I feel like the rotating floors was a pretty big blunder on this whole project, just makes each fall so unforgiving.
Dead turtles really suck as well, but you cant really place water everywhere to flip the car, almost wish there was something you could click to unturtle just specifically for this map
My main suggestion would be to make a mod that always unturtles you and allowing every player to use it on Deep Dip 3.
While I agree with everything you said, I do want to try and stand up for the mappers a bit - its so hard to know how difficult something of this scale is going to end up being. And of course they wanted to err on the side of being too hard rather than too easy - I think people would have been even more disappointed if the map got beaten in less than ~80 hours after all the hype. Its just that with a tower map like this, 1 jump that is more inconsistent than the mappers think it is on an early floor can literally 2x the time to beat the full map. The exponential nature of the maps difficulty makes it very hard to tame. With so many mappers and so many moving parts to get the event put together, I can easily see how the difficulty got out of their control, since it wasn't possible to do full playtests of the entire experience. Of course, in hindsight, the map is too hard - but even with what we know now, how would we change the map to get the difficulty the community would have wanted? Every change you make to bring the difficulty down has the risk of going too far, making the map far too easy. I think its perfectly valid to point out why the map is too hard, I just want to make sure people aren't blaming the mappers for this stuff, they had an impossible task and just got unlucky IMO.
That being said... I think the major thing I'll fault them for is the idea to build the map in a spiral. Its a cool concept, I can see why after they thought of it they probably grew attached to it. Its simple and brutal in its design. But its way too brutal. I actually think that if Deep Dip 1 was built in the same way, it would have been around 4x harder. I can defend the individual jumps and map length and chalk it up to the mappers just having an impossible task when it came to gauging difficulty - but I think it should have been obvious that the spiral shape was just going to be insanely brutal. Even if the spiral shape didn't draw out the time its taking to beat the map - I don't think its FUN at its core to have these huge falls this often. Other Foddian games understand this, with the 100% fall moments being much less frequent.
I already know the mappers are getting a lot of hate for the difficulty, I just hope people don't pile on too much (not saying you are doing that in any way, your comment is respectful and useful - just putting down my two cents)
Perfectly reasonable decision.
I am a 40 year old gamer who hasn't played that much the last few years. I was starting to think I just wasn't that interested in playing games anymore, but after seeing your video I started following the Deep Dip event, which made me install Trackmania to try Shallow Dip because it looked so fun. And let me tell you, the 32 hours I took to beat Shallow Dip were the most fun I've had with gaming in years.
Mostly the same for me. I played Trackmania back in 2012 and this Wirtual's Deep Dip and DD2 adventures got me to install the game again.
It's clear the last month has taken an unhealthy toll on the poor guy. He puts a lot of effort in to entertain and interact, something the other climbers aren't focusing on so much. Not easy.
Nice to see the support his followers generally show in this decision.
🤘
Okay fine. As a 44 year old former gamer who's never played Trackmania and a similar story to yours, your comment has given me the push to finally install it and try myself. Wish me luck!
GL!!
🫡good luck champ@@MichaelRushMusic
Im really sorry about it, I was looking forward everytime for your progress but I understand it completely.
I tried out TM because of you (Im a RL player) and I genuinely think you are the most humble, lovable and best person streamer I have ever seen.
Thank you for the dedication you put in, I was very happy to see you climb.
This is the most I have ever watched you streaming.
I am also happy to be a part of this incredible moment of you life.
I love you Wirtual, you are like a friend to me! ❤️
You have done so much for all of us in this community and you should never forget how thankful we are.
Out of anyone that participated in this event you had to work the hardest in my opinion. This is something I and many others have unlimited amounts of respect for.
I think it's even fair to say that you actually won the event in other (maybe even more important) ways. So many new players, so much hype around the game and you are the biggest reason for that.
None of us are leaving, keep your head up high and be proud of what you've achieved because I don't think anyone else could've done it the way you did. =)
Wirtual: "this map is to brainrot to beat"
Also wirtual: "excited to play kacky"
You'll come back and beat this map! Love from Sweden!
Sure, kacky can be brainrot as well, but at least you don't spend half an hour only to get one attempt. Every try could be the one and the map rotation on the servers helps keeping things a bit more fresh
Yeah it doesn’t take 500 hours to clear a kacky map
@@untexanit does😢
@@GerhardTreibheit atleast its different
The difference is, he has to repeat 10+ floors of mildly difficult jumps now that he has practiced and gotten good at them just to go up more floors to potentially fail something stupid and maybe not even get to PB vs do maps that take between seconds to mins to repeat and get better at consistently. There is no real challenge for him in the earlier floors so it's just repeat something boring over and over for 10-30+ mins to even hope get to the new challenge and if not failed before repeat after fail.
The biggest problem I haven't seen anyone address so far is the huge price pool. Sure, it's cool to have a big reward for the players that (hopefully) can finish it. But without 30k on the line, DeepDip 2 would have become what it should've been based on the map alone: A stupidly hard map that would take months to finish for the most dedicated players. But with all the hype, and the build up, and the money, and the excitement, there was (and is) such a huge pressure to make progress and finish the map as fast as possible that it's really unhealthy for the players and boring for the viewers.
tldr: DeepDip2 flew too close to the sun.
or maybe just show a little bit of constraint and don't play it 24/7... if you aren't a TM pro and you thought you had a chance to win the prize there's just nothing to say
The last 4 floors are insane given that you need to drive perfectly for 30 minutes to only get one attempt at a single trick. Just like the voiceovers say: It's about the journey not the end. And there is absolutely no fault in not reaching the end in this madness. You already gave us an amazing journey ❤
I think the map would have been amazing if it had finished at the end of floor 10. Would have taken Wirtual around 90 hours, so perfectly within the "twice as hard as Deep Dip 1" criteria, and the majority of it was skill-based, not "upside-down plastic and prayers".
@@drunkenhobo8020 Yeah... I think part of the issue is since none of the mappers actually complete it in the same way the players are its hard for them to fully understand the difficulty...
Honestly just probably making it not a spiral and requiring a mapper to beat their floor 10 times in a row (to prove consistency) would have made the map so much more fun to play.
@@Cacti54321Honestly proving consistency +length would help. If there are 16 floors no floor should take a player experienced on it more than 2 minutes. No one was in charge of sanity control for the project, they went full Dark Souls 2 on it. All hard, no fun
@@orionweiss5418 Yeah. On one hand I can see how this can easily happen, since each mapper is realistically only looking at their 1/16 of the tower and so I'm sure they all had good intentions too when building it, but with a mindset of making it more difficult than deep dip 1. I think the issue mainly comes in how much different it feels when doing your floor in isolation (That you have probably run countless times testing tricks and other things) compared to players who get few attempts with most of these attempts being when are pressured mentally either from exhaustion or pressure of falling. A lot of these tricks that seem too hard I think are honestly really cool looking when done right, and I'm guessing that's the mappers intent of making a cool difficult trick, but its pretty much impossibly for anyone on their team without actually grinding deep dip 2 to fully understand the mental challenges involved. And this is without including things like plastic or recoveries, which I think can be improved with hindsight... I'm sure they might even agree with some of the suggestions (although with how hostile a lot of people have been about it its also likely they get defensive)
My main point is just that I don't really think its possible for them to of had a good sanity control unless they actually had a few players have early access to grind and grind the map over and over to get these results.
@@Cacti54321 Mmm, I think there is a lot that can be done honestly. Perspective is important. They should have known going in that this was going to be the largest TM event of the year, for the entire community. Having it burn out even the best players and end with an air of negativity is a bad thing for the entire community. You can low ball clear time by letting people clear individual levels, and then adding in the full time to get back for every failure. That alone should have shown that floors 15 and 16 are dogshit design. You just don't put those at the end of a 30+ minute run, it's abusive. And that's the problem. The passion for the project is clear, but it is equally clear no one was acting as the brakes. All those finicky plastic jumps, excessive length for no reason, and tricks that are not consistent enough super late in the run are things that should have been easy to catch and would have massively helped the level. Hopefully the massive good the level does for the community isn't offset too badly by the lack of oversight, and they can continue with the new tradition tempered by restraint for what should be done rather than what can
I'm glad you're prioritizing you're mental health over beating this map. We all know you love this game but a whole month of grinding gets exhausting. We love you Wirtual
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@@vincehomoki1612trolling? Lol
The map is literally designed to be the toughest challenge possible. It's designed to be frustrating and hellish to complete. Don't feel bad about saying "nah I'm good"
Nobody talking about how he ignores the fact he promised to put $1 towards each fall and donate it. Clearly just a cash grab and he left so he doesn’t have to do charity. The fact anyone supports this guy is sad
I've been tracking your PB and fitting some functions through them. Your last PB of 1500 m was at around 200 hours (including offline playing). A squared function was a pretty good fit until you hit the 1248 m PB, at which you were stuck for like 35 hours. A squared function predicts it takes around 400 hours for you to finish, while a cubed function, which fits slightly better predicts around 500 hours. Because of this I'd say you are at best around half way done in climbing deep dip 2, if you look at hours invested.
Given the apparent difficulty of Floor 16 I'd say 500-600 might be accurate.
Thats mental. Thanls for making the calculations. Do you have the formulas? If so can I see them?
@@hralyb3513 I can give you the equations for the fit functions. I've forced them to have 0 offset, even though the map starts at 34 m. The squared function of time as a function of height is time = 0.0001024*height^2-0.0323*height. The cubed function is time = 4.864E-8*height^3+2.162E-6*height^2+0.01489*height. The squared function has an R^2 of 0.9897, and the cubed is 0.9924.
Never even thought it could be a clickbait.
I mean, when we see how things have evolved : less and less players on the tower, Bren's losing his mind tring to complete it, Hazard raged quit yesterday, eLconn tired too... I don't know if someone will finish it tbh, it has been a month and the hype is way over, players' not having fun anymore. There's a world where no one finishes, or maybe after a long break and in weeks / months.
The challenge was too hard, especially the end.
And tbh, with the money involved and the fact no one seems to be able to finish it the "regular" way, I kinda expect ppl to start changing the rules, telling it publicly or not, by trying to hunt the last floor in editor. I wouldn't even blame them to do so at this point
I believe the editor for dd2 is locked by password!
Hype is not over, 25k people on Bren's stream yesterday!
i mean its really insane but i think hazard lars and bren will finish maximum at 3 days...
Bren was the top English stream and the third overall on Twitch yesterday. The hype is still there and people will finish it, though maybe only 2-5 people this time round
unrelated but is that flandre scarlet
Don’t apologize to us. You deserve to say “this isn’t worth it”, and you don’t owe anything to anyone aside from that. You gave almost 2 weeks of real time hours to it. That’s ALOT. YOU deserve better. I’m glad you’re going to(and have) put out other content than Deep Dip
Dude, I say this from the bottom of my heart:
Thank you for sharing your feelings with us.
This video (with all the background related to it) is the perfect example of being a realistic, self-care role model. I know I've needed to listen to myself like this before, and I know I would have been happier and healthier for doing it.
Your helping yourself will help other people help themselves, too.
*This* is The Vibe™ and I'm happy I get to be a part of it.
🏎💙
Deep Dip 2 is a lesson in game design. Losing large amounts of progress and being forced to repeat cleared content is only fun so many times.
its only fun for the certain kinds of players. dd2 was never supposed to be for everyone; if it was, it would have checkpoints. i think more than it being a lesson in game design, its a lesson for the players. just because something is popular, or because something is hyped, doesn't mean that you are going to have fun with it. some games (or in this case, maps) are made for a specific type of player, and that type of player isn't always your every day joe.
from reading a lot of these comments i think a lot of people need to learn that when it comes to extremely difficult challenges, there are going to be a lot of people who can't/wont do it; but that's alright. its not the players fault for not wanting to continue, but its also not the maps fault.
It's insanely difficult. Sure, they kinda needed to increase the difficulty level after DD1. But a map that hasn't been beaten by the world's best players after a month might just be too much
@@MrFaceOfThePlanet yes but's its possible to make something hard without sucking the joy out of playing it. The problem most people are pointing out is that when you fail on this map as opposed to dip deep, the falls are way more punishing. On Deep Dip one until you got to the snake, falls maybe took you down a floor or two. On Deep Dip 2 many falls take you all the way to the bottom which is why the map is taking 4 times longer to beat. Being unable to play tricky parts over and over without having to spend 40 minutes getting there everytime is draining and tedious for both players and viewers. I love Wirtual's content but watching him play floors 8-10 like a million times with 40 minute re-climbs after every fall was mind numbing after awhile, as it apparently was for him as well.
Foddian games and the Dark Souls formula have always been pushing the envelope.
Who could have seen that coming
Yeah, as viewers we could see your misery. You honestly weren't yourself, and I think this is the healthy and responsible thing to do.
I am proud of you. Try not to let doubt about this influence you.
I saw you do things during this challenge that aren't you, banning supportive chatters who had your back because they brought "negative vibes", always reading messages as if they had a negative bent. You weren't in a good space.
I have missed positive Wirtual, and am looking forward to having him back.
Giving up is honestly a skill that we should all posess. It's so easy to say "no just never give up, always keep going, the only thing holding you back is yourself, never surrender". It sounds inspirational, we want it to be true. But at a certain point the question you need to ask yourself is at what is the cost of all of this, am I getting out of it what I wanted, am I going to succeed or am I just putting myself in a spot where I am miserable over and over because I am too stubborn to course correct? I know I've pushed myself into very bad situations before with the "never surrender" attitude. I wish I would have been better at giving up when I was younger. Knowing when to push on and when it's wise to pivot is crucial to having a happy life.
Want to give you the biggest hug right now man. You’ve done better than 99%, which is an amazing achievement in and of itself. One day you may beat this, but beating it shouldn’t be a goal. It’s about how far you can go, that’s what important. Can’t wait to see the new things that are gonna happen in the future. Have a good one man.
tbh Deep Dip 2 event felt like a pain to watch for me and I hated every single day you streamed for it. It's stupidly hard and not fun. I'm glad you quit.
Yeah, same. The first 2 days were fun to watch, but it gets old quick. It's a Schadenfreude event. I just don't enjoy sticking around watching someone fail a map for an entire month. Not saying it isn't worth playing - but is it worth watching?
@@acrylique2976it’s not the pleasure from watching people fall. It’s the pleasure from watching people overcome impossible barriers through sheer skill and determination that people watch for
@@default0467 Both can be true. I do believe the balance is off in this map tho.
I really do feel like they over-designed deep dip 2. 2 weeks max is a good competition length for something like this.
If you really look at other competitions nothing lasts longer than 2 weeks. Even sports really fall into this maximum length. Otherwise you wear out the competitors and the viewers.
Even a month is fine if the expectation is there, it being framed as a marathon more than a sprint. But with dd1 taking only 40 hours (bren play time) to a first finish this came outta nowhere taking over 200 hours (probably close to 250)
And also, even 200 hours is a lot. Maybe like 160ish would be better (full time job for a month)
I have said this before, peak deep dip was in the first 2 weeks, and it's been kinda sad to see how more and more players have dropped out. The creators overshot the mark with how difficult they made this one, which I don't blame them for as it's hard to judge. If they decide to do a deep dip 3, they will need to put the difficult somewhere between 1 & 2.
I think the real issue here is that spiral design of the map, falls are extremely punishing, and a fuck up in the wrong place can send you hurtling 4 floors, if not all the way to the bottom. Inconsistent tricks (typically plastic ones) need to have friendly recovery routes. The difficulty of the tricks required is fine, but it's the ever-growing punishment for failing them that makes the map so gruelling. Without how difficult some tricks on the map are, it would still be too difficult for all but the most elite players even if the map was forgiving with its falls.
Mentally, a fall that sets you back 5 minutes is far less arduous than a fall that sets you back 40 minutes. You still need to drive really consistently even with 5 minutes per fall, but at least it won't break the players. TBH an ideal deep dip probably takes Bren around 120 hours to complete.
@@midastheunwise2423 TBH I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with the map as released in its design goal. I think it WAS supposed to be harder and have less finishers, just look at the prize pool. It's okay if only 3 people beat it. But I do think DD2 should be the end of the tower mapping. I hope the team comes together and invents a new type of exciting event.
@@LucolanYT It's worth noting that the map is clearly much harder than the mappers intended, or they would not have originally claimed it was twice as hard as DD1. I'd say floor ordering, the spiral design, and the abundance of plastic don't really add to the map at all.
You have my utmost respect Wirtual. I only followed you attempting this, but even I got bored of the grind. Your whole channel output and demeanour suffered as a result and I was so pleased to see you putting out different content again.
Don’t look at it as giving up or failing, just look at it as postponing things until you are able to practice without the grind. You WILL get to the top and we will be there when you do 👍🏼
The weight loss analogy is apt, but if you aim for 10 and lose 7, you have still lost weight. If the next you remain the same, then look at it as no gain. You have such a positive attitude and clear determination - blindfold completion…you’ve done it, that was mad!
All the best mate 😊
This is a very healthy desicion and I am very happy for you. I hope you will have fun with dd2 when you try to finish it. As someone who is suffering from burnout, because I put to much unnessacary stress on myself, I think this is very responsible. There is no point in draining yourself because of your pride and imaginary expectaions to the point of letting the people you care about pay the price for it. Source: Trust me, bro
And frankly... I grew tired of seeing the grind. Looking forward to your upcoming content!
I've said it on another video, but I think there is way more empty space on this deep dip. You lose so much more progress on average when you fall, of course it's going to be incredibly demotivating. Getting Over It and other rage games you might lose an hour of progress but then it might take you only half of that to climb back up, then half again the next time. If every other fall put you at the bonfire in Jump King it would be an atrocious grind.
WP to Wirtual, good runs ++
What you've done so far for this event and consequently for Trackmania as a whole is incredible.
Of course, this event would still be live and the competition would still be on with Bren, Hazard, Lars, Elconn and others making superhuman efforts into reaching the goal first, but in terms of promoting the event, patiently answering every question in chat and doing your best to keep a positive and fun stream for your viewers and fans of this game all around the world to enjoy, the weight of your contribution cannot be understated and as such, I think you've absolutely earned a break.
Thank you for the last month of streams and enjoy whatever else you plan on doing now! Mental health is far more important than anything else when it comes to these things, as fun as competing is. We'll be here to see you finish this project once the time is right 💙
Thank you for looking out for your mental health; the sunk cost fallacy with something you've spent a month grinding is huge and I think it's incredibly brave to say "you know what, I'm done with this; it's not worth it right now."
very understandable, hope to see you finish someday
I think this highlights even more how dedicated whoever wins is, it's like people who speedrun 1000 hours don't make a PB and still keep going 1000 more hours until they get that world record
Ignore the Kacky haters, it's a different type of experience, it's not the same "brain rot" like it would be doing more Deep Dip 2.
I would say your Kacky videos are what really drew me to this channel the most. They're definitely still my favorite videos that get posted here. And it's easily to tell that you personally enjoy that stuff A LOT when you are doing it.
Nothing would make me happier to see you play more Kacky. And I suspect it's something which will make you happier too.
I could tell it was wearing on you. This Deep dip should have been twice as hard as the original at most, but it's taken more than 4 times as long to beat it. That's absolutely insane. No worries, I'm enjoying you're other stuff, and I'll be interested to see you beat it after you can practice the floors! And I can't wait to see Kacky too!
the last two videos actually had me worry if it was still healthy to do for you, so I'm glad you were thinking about that as well and decided there were enough reasons not to continue. I'm eagerly awaiting the continuation after the practice maps release, and until then the rest seems very fun as well!
Loved seeing your journey through Deep Dip 2 so far. ♥You really did an insanely good job not only getting as far as you have, but doing it while being entertaining, commentating and getting so many new people excited about the game.
I'm excited to see you finish it in due time once the practice maps are out, this is nothing to be ashamed of, Deep Dip 2 is a ridiculous challenge and you absolutely killed it for a month straight.
All the best wishes to you Wirtual!
Sometime, "giving up" is actually the brave thing to do. It took me a lot of years and a few bad mistakes to learn that personally. If this is affecting you negatively, and you don't see the end point any more, you are doing the right thing. Thanks for all you did so far and for whatever else you are going to do now!
I realized it when you were at floor 6 or 7. This map does not scale (no pun intended) properly. Of course they wanted to make it bigger than DD1, because more is more better, right? Well, I'm gonna be perfectly honest, and it's not because I want to be mean. I think the mappers kinda blew it.
They didn't want to make DD2 as difficult as they did, but most people have huge problems conceptualizing power laws (compounding interest, logarithmic growth, that kind of thing). That's why the mappers didn't see it intuitively. They obviously also didn't do the math, which would have led them to the same conclusion, and they didn't extensively test the map as a whole, which again would have led them to the same conclusion. So they ended up with a hella imba map.
I don't want to rag on them, because we're all human and we all make mistakes, but I hope and believe that they're learning from this, and maybe get knocked down a notch, and that DD3 will be a more holistic design, and more balanced.
I'm proud of your effort and where you got to
I've been playing TM on and off since 2007 and couldn't even reach floor 1
Looking forward to seeing how you go in Kacky and eager to learn some desert strats
The masochism of people who were driving that map was regularly shocking to me. I think you're making a great decision.
Agreed
who ARE driving. WHO'S GONNA CARRY THE BOAT !!? THEY DON'T KNOW ME SON
I think everyone that follows you, understands it, and wishes you well, wether you finish it or not. Of course we will be waiting those streams/videos of you grinding and finishing it, but I feel that should wait if we don't get the smiling Wirtual you show on all of those. Stay well and enjoy! Good Luck, Have fun (specially the last part)
You make excellent content, and what better time to make your usual TM content than when loads of new people have found an interest due to Deep Dip 2.
Have some fun with the game again!
For a mans own mental sanity- gotta do what you gotta do. Good try Wirtual!
Don't put yourself down so much. When I tried the first floor for an hour or so, I thought to myself: I'd love to be able to achieve this one floor man! But yeah, it's MUCH harder than it looks...
3:51 "This is the type of map that you need the determination and iron will of, like, a god." So Mudda, basically.
Honestly, what you're going through is more than understandable. It's a hell of a map, and you honestly deserve this break! You kept the entertainment factor really high throughout regardless and now it's our time to understand your situation and support you. So take the time for your sanity and don't feel like a loser at all! ♥♥ We all love ya Wirt!
Huge respect man, i cant even begin to imagine how mentally taxing playing this map must have been. Even if you beat it after practicing on the practice maps it will still be a monumental achievement. Imagine if Geometry dash players had no practice mode and couldnt play sections of the levels at a time, that would be absolutely insane, and the same goes for this map.
Good comparison, that would be absolutely insane and the game would be unplayable for 99% of people
So mentally taxing dude, idk how he did it at the peak of his streaming career raking in tens of thousands a day 😢😢😢
I didn't realize you were feeling like that about deep dip 2, watching the streams made it seem like you were enjoying your time with chat and not letting the map get to you, kind of playing it like a pass time, but that only makes it more impressive.
I'm happy if you're happy, I would never want you to feel pressured to keep going even when you are mentally suffering, I'm glad you made the choice!
and also, if you would want a checkpointed version of the map or something like that, hit me up 😉
I'm 44 now and played 1st trackmania version 20 years ago. I follow your content - especially deep dip 2 - for some time now. Honestly, you made me buy newest trackmania and play it split screen with my son. It is so much fun and cool competition to us. Thank you for that. 😊
I'm sure you will climb roof of deep dip 2 when the time comes. 👍🏻
Thanks for the incredible entertainment during your attempts!!! It was fun to watch and listen. I fully understand your reasons to wait for the practice releases and I'm looking forward to see you beating the speedrun record ;) - Danke aus Deutschland!
It looks like this is already what you've landed on, but you're definitely making the right call. Also, definitely come back and beat it once you can practice the individual floors; I would love to see that
In a word? Plastic.
facts
I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening?
Plastic.
On point. It somehow manages to kill both the driving part, by being so unpredictable and buggy on jumps, as well as the recovery aspect of DD, by almost always bouncing you out into some random abyss. That it was allowed into basically every floor is just bananas
@@NicoO0Oo1I think they prioritized looks over functionality. Adding roofs or making something plain tarmac instead of plastic would have made sense in so many places. It just wouldn’t have looked good
Thank you for all thoses lives, you were on my side during stressfull study session.
We've all set a goal that happened to be way harder than expecting even if we expectto struggle. Be able to leave it on the side because of responsibilities is a very hard decision but it only make you a stronger man. Be proud of what you've accomplished, you're on the top of the top even after stopping.
I look forward to see your next content and see you cross the finish line once youve practiced the top floors
Thanks for everything and GOGOGO BREN AL GAIB YOH CAN DO IT
Though it seemed like a great challenge at first, I absolutely do not blame you for stepping away from it. I feel the design of Deep Dip 2 really went overboard. The first one was a great challenge but this one feels almost sadistic in its difficulty, like it's brutal and demoralising for the sake of it rather than being a fun and engaging challenge.
Regain your enjoyment of the game, have fun with kakky and only come back to this if you feel genuinely mentally prepared. Your videos are at their best when you are having fun, so please keep having fun. Look after yourself, I know first hand how hard it can be to cope with a demoralising situation. I look forward to whatever great video you do next ❤
I think this is a good decision, too much of one project, especially one as mentally gruelling as this cant be healthy, I haven't watched the whole vid yet, but this still applies
Inpressive and super mature, wise decision. Keep up with the great content
I'm not gonna lie and say I'm not bummed, it was for sure super enjoyable following you're journey. I turned 30 this year and I've gamed my entire life, and with only 1 year of playing, Trackmania has already earned my #1 spot as my favorite game ever. I wouldn't have found it without your main channel videos, so I have a ton of respect and gratefulness for you. As well as the fact that you often try to explain what you are doing, to help teach new players. And help it does! So while I was invested in your climb, since you kind of have this unknown (in the personal sense) mentor status. I *completely* understand the reasons you've listed. (I'll be honest, I didn't even think about the fact that you have editors under you that need content.) You've been a source of uplifting vibes for me, and I can only assume others. I hope we can now be that for you in the face of this choice. I really hope overall it wasn't a bad experience for you, and I hope that now that this race is done, you can just get back to things you fully enjoy. :) Here is to going fast, having fun, and spinning fish.
Can't wait for the video in 9months titled "I finally beat Deep Dip 2"
Was great watching you Wirtual. Looking forward to anything you put your mind to. Keep up the great content! o7
It takes lots of courage & bravery to keep going. And it takes exactly the same amount, if not more, to know when to back down & quit, willingly letting go of the glory. Don't be too hard on yourself. You don't need to be a winner, or to prove yourself to no one. The only thing that matters is that you do something with a smile on your face, and because you're happy doing it. Kudos. ;)
Hey, I broke a rib at the beginning of May and I was very thankful being able to follow you live making progress and having some distractions from the constant pain.
I was wondering what happened to your approach, thanks for the update, very understandable.
I wanted to see you succeed, and I still think at some point I’m going to see a video where you do but if not that’s fine, it was fun and you’re going to do other fun things.
Definitely not disappointed ;)
The question you raised "Am I quitting because it is logical or because I lack the winner mentalitiy?" is one that resonates so much with me. Rock climbing is my Trackmania, doing an 8a/8b is my Deep Dip equivalent.
You know what the worst thing is? For me, I figured out that the answer is not one or the other, but both. There are so many valid reasons to quit, take it slow, do it later, whatever, and there is nothing wrong with that. Especially if it's about health, obligations and responsibility towards others. Still, quitting hurts, because you know that if you truly - singlemindedly - wanted to continue, you could. You could probably make it work somehow. There might be consequences though. And so you decide to let it slip.
And there's no one who can blame you for that. Life is a balance, and you took your stance. At a later point, you might decide differently, and that's fine as well.
For now I will continue fighting because I know I can. I would like to offer all my encouragement for you to keep going as well - not necessarily with Deep Dip, but with whatever challenges life has coming for you next.
Only the foolish don't know when it's time to cut their losses and live another day. When the cost of the journey begins to outweigh the potential reward, it is always good to contemplate reevaluating the journey.
I’m also a climber. I’d say the analogy works better when talking about sending a specific route/climb, than doing any climb of a specific level. It fucking sucks to feel close to a climb but day after day not make progress, and I’d argue it’s usually better to try other things and come back when you’re feeling better physically and/or mentally, which is what wirtual is doing.
Well said! As a fellow climber I can relate a lot as any slacking off might cause you to lose strength while too much training might get you injured. There is no perfect optimum, there is always a tradeoff.
this is the same feeling some Geometry Dash pro players have, the feeling of getting far but loosing and having to continue the grind again is really frustrating sometimes, and most of the times you stop enjoying playing that level/map because of how long it is taking you. i completelly understand u as a GD player and its completelly fine to take a break, you are a true warrior, cuz doing the same thing thousands of attempts is really difficult. i also have that feeling of thinking that im wasting my time, because focusing in one single map takes your time to do other fun things, and sometimes you feel like its not worth it, but believe me it is, at the end it is, but its not bad to take a break. Take care Wirt :)
Personal health and sanity trump anything else. Full support, we never have the right to question that.
Keep doing you and having fun bro!
+1
You are not a failure! Your desicion is understable and I am excited for the upcoming content. You also didn’t quit DD2, you just postponed it. :)
Being able to quit like this, facing all those expectations you talked about dead on, after so much blood, sweat and tears, already crowns you. A man's man.
Is a man’s man like a new type of man
We all appreciate all the content you’ve brought us on Deep Dip 2, the videos and streams have been a lot of fun to watch. Doing what’s best for you is ultimately what’s most important, and we’re all excited to see new content too and if/when you do revisit Deep Dip 2 it’ll be great to see you hopefully refreshed and motivated again. Looking forward to the new vids and content!
Yeah, so DD2 got wayyyy too hard for its own good. DD1 took one week to finish, we're over a month after the start of DD2 and it's still not done. DD1 was an impossible achievement for most players and now we can see that DD2 is the same but for one of the top players.
yeah this is way to hard and punishing even for the best players. Most viewers and players alike are bored of this map by now.
I player deep dip for 2 hours and it felt like brain rot. Its crazy for me that you have played for 200 hours and just now it feels like brain rot. I loved watching you and still love watching you when you try again. You can for sure do this and I will watch when you do. Good luck wirtual and have an amazing time doing this😁
Well done soo far, still hope to see you complete it on your own time. Well deserved break😊
Honestly this map has been a testament to the absolute best of the best in TM in the sense that even achieving floor 3 is unobtainable to 99% of the community. So to even achieve floor 14, that if you're not attempting to blaze the trail with guys like Hazardu and Bren, all you are doing is destroying your mental for really nothing more than internet clout.
Massive respect wirtual for what youve achieved already, and even more so for knowing when you need to tap out on an event like this
100% supportive of your choice, I also think that I'd prefer you talking and creating content you enjoy and share your good vibes.
There is a line between a challenge and a goal, maybe you should view for the next events like this as a challenge over the time you allow it to be a part of your life, and feel proud for progress and effort you made toward this.
You always gain something through a challenge, achieved or not, be yourself and be well!
You're not dissapointing anyone, it's much more important and fun to watch a happy Wirtual doing other stuff than a burnt out Wirtual grinding the tower. Keep up the great work fellow racist :)
You said it might be 100 or 200 more hours... and it might not be enough. You are right in one respect. That won't be enough. What's going on with those top floors is a near exponential disaster. Frankly Wirtual, it was an epic gaming moment but the failure was the map being too hard. It's just plain too brutal. The rest of us watching, even if you slogged it through for 200-300-400-500 more hours are going to be as bored of it as you long before it's over. It's ok. Let it go. Let's cheer for whoever is insane enough to finish it. But this really is a map that only maybe two people in the world can actually have a shot at finishing without having practice floors. This isn't an excuse for you. You did beyond good.
I don't think I could've thrown myself at this for 20 hours, let alone hundreds. You already have shown amazing fortitude. Take care of yourself and know when to quit.
The burnout is real. Glad you had the realization before it got worse.
Was awesome to see u explore random maps in the fast 5 event, and actually enjoying it so much.
Looking forward to you being fresh so you can then finish the map. Have fun.
And having been there, you could absolutely tank it, but you'd also ABSOLUTELY HATE IT. When you burn out you burn out.