HOW TO Seam A Pond Liner- EPDM Liner Seaming
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2019
- In this video- How To Seam EPDM pond liner-John G Adams of Modern Design Aquascaping Inc. teaches you how his team seams an EPDM pond liner. See their preferred tools, as well as methodology as they install a twenty foot long seam on a custom intake project. The liners being joined are 45 mill EPDM- Firestone Fish-Safe liner.
Modern Design has been building custom water features since 2000 and has been a Certified Aquascape Contractor since 2002. They have built in 5 countries, and over a dozen states in the U.S. You may reach them in East Tennessee at:
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Happy Pondering ;) - Навчання та стиль
Very informative and I love the “Benny Hill” touch with the music in fast motion
You carbon date yourself bringing up Benny Hill...just saying
thanks Man i am adding a sturgeon pond deep well to my pond i built and posted on my channel. This was super informative and seeming my 2 existing pieces made this job so much more cost effective.
Your a great public speaker
Thanks, it was very nerve racking for the first while but you get used to it! Happy Pondering ;)
awesome! loved the feature at kamp kenan
We have content from 3 visits there, I can’t wait to create some vids! Stay tuned😎
I should credit Dave Bloxom, April Dugan, Ed Bealieu, and Sean Frost for the training I got which enabled me to make this video👍😎
Thank you so much for making it look doable. I'm a little worrisome but am going to go tackle it right now, thank you
Getting it clean and dry before you do the seam is the trick👍
THE BEST seam tape tutorial!
Great Job Explaining the process John!
A 1 year later answer count?? Thanks for your support 🤣
Thank you for making it clear and easy to follow for our DIY pond!
Let me know how it goes for you guys!!
Thanks again for a more in depth explanation of how it's done.
I hope the information was valuable to you :-) thanks for watching👍🏻😎
Great video (as always) John!!!! Thank you for putting these out!!
You make it worth the time buddy🙏🏻
Modern Design Aquascaping Inc. - can’t wait for the next one!!
Thanks for the clear demonstration. I'm going out to tackle it NOW.
Good luck to you!
Great video! I’ve seen this done wrong so many times, and this will definitely help everyone out there looking to get seamy! 🤘🏼
We wont get a much easier one than that eh?😎
LOL! You funny
What a great video. Full of information. I was particularly impressed when I saw you got the other members of your team to do most of the work! 🤣. On a serious note lots of information to take away and learn from I think even I could have a go!
You think you will just start seaming things together now “just for fun”?
Yeah I’m thinking of making Mark a suit out of liner now!
@@charlottewilson4560 LOL! ... second and third sets of hands are SUPER helpful bc of the stickiness and pliability of the materials. If there's a way for an air pocket or "fish mouth" to make it's way into the middle of your seam, IT WILL! :)
Thank you, brother! Got my first seam coming up tomorrow, and she's a doozie! 😅 Glad I watched this tutorial first...after watching the oh-so-easy-seeming Aquascapes official video!
I know I have seen so many “other ways” but man do I rest easy doing it the way we do it!
thank you for sharing as I am planing to replace new pond liner and will keep old liner under as underlayment
Good plan, added protection for the new one👍
Great info John!
Hey Carla, I answer my comments after a year! What’s up wit-cha :)
At last! I've been looking everywhere for a video like this. THANK YOU!! Have all the supplies, now I have the know how to finish my feature.
You know a lot of times when I make this type of video I ask myself “what is the point? Is anyone even watching or learning from these videos?” Then I get a response like this and it reminds me that it is making a difference and it is helping others succeed! THANK YOU SO MUCH!🤠
@@KoiAddiction I too will use this video as a guide. It's appreciated. Finished a 400 gallon pond and now realize I want to extend it because I am hooked on the hobby.
Good luck!
I’m going to have to seam 2 liners together for my pond. Thanks for this video!
Welcome. I just had a company seaming liners for us in Colorado and they did it with just the cover tape. They swear that that is “good enough”. What do you think? I am all about the “back-up”!
Thanks for another great video!
Our pleasure, thanks for watching ;)
Great tips John! Thank you!
Haven’t heard from you in a while, hope you’re having fun out there🤘🏻
I made the mistake by attempting to connect my liner in the ground. Great information that you made look easy. Lol
Yes, We run into that situation on occasion, the best way to deal with that is to take out a bunch more rocks, we usually rip some pieces of plywood about 16 inches wide and try to position them under the liner, sometimes you have to get very creative to make it work! I cut my liner too short one time and April saemed a piece to it and it was folded up like an accordion. Time and patience are highly underrated😂🤣😂
Thank you 👍 fantastic info, love your vids 🍻
I’m glad you are getting value from them ;)
Great video, love the music
Thank you for this informative video John! Always thought you needed the expensive Firestone Splice Wash cleaner or acetone. So I understand that water & paper do a better job.
In my experience this method works just fine! I have seams going on 20 years old now are they are still holding strong😎 Just make sure you clean well past the seam tape, I have had some experience with tape “peeling up” where we didnt clean quite far enough out on the liner👍
I've used acetone (cheap by the gallon at Sally Beauty Supply stores when on sale) and someone said gasoline so I've used that too. Both are great at prep'ing the EPDM liner. I've also used water but bc I do NOT want to re-seam anything bc I've got a leak, I'm super fussy about the prep. I also do the multiple layer priming and sealing as they've done in the video.
Thanks. Great Vid!
My pleasure, hope it saves you some headaches later😎
Your awesome! Still watching subscribed and added you guys on my FB. Look forward to learning more while watching you guys from Indiana.
Glad to have you, welcome!
I was wondering how this was done. Thanks. Liked.
Thanks Terry!
Awesome video. I am looking into a liner for a 60x60 max size pond as clay is getting expensive just going off quotes. Well I learned something today.
Glad you enjoyed- I hope it helps you get it right! Make sure the liner is 100% dry before you prime & seam. Moisture will ruin the seam ;)
Good vid!
Thanks for tuning in!
Thank you!
Hope it helps you out!
@@KoiAddiction It will hopefully this summer. I've got 2 30x100 ft liners to seam up. Should be fun.
Great video. The only thing I missed was exactly how you lapped it over. I would like to see how you folded the two pieces and then seamed in two places.
We just laid it out flat folded the top piece back, and then clean and seemed. Once finished do the cover tape on top. It is an added layer of protection but it’s worth the peace of mind to me.
Certainly one of the best pond channels on YT! I enjoy the content immensely. I have a question, when it comes to underpayments is it ok to overlap or do you guys prefer one piece? Also if you could only do 8oz on one layer, would you do it on top of the liner or underneath while still using a lighter weight on the other side. Thanks!!
Good question! We overlap. Sometimes I will melt the under-layer together with a torch. Depending on soils and boulders we use different gauges of underlayments up to 15 oz!
It's brilliant to see how much work goes into joining liner sheets.....wow I can see why people buy them so large they have to move them with heavy machinery - fewer seams! Amazing job you did there. But pray tell, how thick is the liner in this video because you don't seem too worried about puncturing it? Also how long does it take for the seam to dry so that it's safe to move, fold and such?
Liner is 45 mill EPDM-seam is water proof immediately upon completion of the seam!
@@KoiAddiction I'm defo getting it for my pond. But how come it is safe to walk over it like you guys do, is it really this resistant to punctures?
respect mi boss
Thanks Derrick!
This is an awesome video,
I'm just curious about the temperature used to weld these pondliners, please let us know what temperature you use when welding a pondliner and what's the base temperature to weld a pondliner
The temperature requirements are listed on the seaming products. I’ve used them when it was nearly freezing, and simply worked with a heater and a tarp over top to keep it warm. If it’s extremely hot, sometimes we need to work underneath a tarp to keep the sun off of it so it does not dry too quickly. Other than that rain is the only thing that gets us. The liners need to be dry and too high of a moisture Content will cause the seam to fail.
Great video sir! Working in my feature now. One question if ya don't mind? Do I need a "lap caulk" at the edge of the "6 inch cover tape"?
No I’ve used lap sealant in the past but only in extreme cases. My advice is to try to lay the seam flat as you finish your construction so that it doesn’t have stress on the seamed are👍🏻
Appreciate the response. Got the liners seamed, got it in the pool part of the pond/feature. What are your thoughts on using underlayment as a "pad" for the larger rocks? I ended up using grey underlayment, should I get some black fabric? For the pad.. thanks again
Excellent video. BUT, what if I want to use old and crusty abandoned above ground pools for making a swimming hole? Of course I would pressure wash the heck out of it first. But will it work?
I live out in the desert just north of Los Angeles and this area grows more pot/weed/grass than even Humboldt County. They put about $150K into a grow site and make $1.5 million off the first clipping. Then they get the heck out of there and leave most of it behind. Wood, greenhouses, water tanks, fences and pools. Lots of above ground pools. I collect the remnants and sell it. I make a good living off of the lumber. But it gets hot as heck out here in the summer, so I need a place to cool off. Can't do a regular pool because of the wind driven sand plus I have no electrical source other than solar. So I thought that a living pond with a rubber bottom would work. I can setup a simple pump and filter to recycle and aerate the water. Make it at least 6 feet deep at one end so the little fish can live down there in the winter. It would stay at around 56° at that depth. Warm enough I think for the right fish. I would plant some hearty water plants that can survive the cold winter and the hot summer. And it would be big enough for swimming. Then fill it with delivery water at $150 per 4000 gallons and hope it doesn't leak
Sounds like you have a solid plan! Let us know how it goes ;)
Can or will the two sided seam tape work or work effectively without the seam primer?
I don’t suggest seaming without proper clean-dry-primer process!
how long we need to wait after seaming to put water inside?
Hi John I have a question on seaming the liners together from old pond to new. I enlarged my pond and have to seam the old pond liner to the new liner. I have liner that is under the rocks exposed along the edge of the pond, it is about 12 inches in length. Is it better to use the liner from the old pond that is on the edge of the pond that was not under water or is it best to lower the water level of the pond and lift the liner up and use that part of the liner to seam.
I dont think it matters as long as the liner is in good shape and perfectly, brand-new clean. Be careful with the folds!
@@KoiAddiction Thanks John for the info.
Can this work in cold weather seaming 6 mil plastic for a kids backyard skating rink ?
I have never tried to seam plastic…”seams” super expensive to use with plastic…How about the flex-seal tape? That might be. A better option for ya?
Can the seam cover tape be used to repair holes in liners? If so, any idea where I could find a roll that is 12" to 18"?
Yes, we do repairs with it. It comes in 6 inch 9“ and 12 inch widths. If you call Aqua Scapes you should be able to get it from them or you can get it from a roofing supply company. If possible when we repair holes, we try to repair both sides👍
@@KoiAddiction Perfect I'll give them a call and give you a sub. Thanks for your help.
CAN I DO THE SAME PROCESS WITH LLDPE LINER OR I NEED A DIFFERENT TAPE?
I would need to refer to the manufacturer of the liner for proper seaming methods for each type of liner. They are typically different!
Whats the difference between pond liner and roofing rubber?
The roofing stuff says safe for potable water sometimes
You have to take that up with the science-geeks! I just wanna use “fish-safe” products for my people! The “sometimes” makes me nervous!
@@KoiAddiction
If a person was to pay attention to what they bought its thicker is why I was asking
How long after you complete this do you need to wait to use?
Its good as soon as its finished👍It does not need to dry or anything
Hi John
Last night I watched your instructions a few times and today I took the bull ( seam ) by the horns
I found it not quite as easy as you made it look but I think I did manage
I would still like to connect with you one on one and go over the best way to continue eco ( aquascaping my ponds )
there are a few things I am quite desperate to get some solid advise on
I have had no luck so far getting any advise locally
Now with the changes in the marketing of aquascape products in Canada all they want to do is sell me product
Understandable in a way
So please let me know if it is possible to schedule a consultation by ( skype ) or by ( messenger ) you are the man with the know how
Yes, you can reach out to my office via phone and schedule a chat with me-although it will be weeks before we can talk-it can happen for sure! I’ll chat with you soon ;)
I have about a 3-5 foot seem to make. Do I need both the 3" and the 6". I see that the 6" cover tape costs about $120 for 25ft roll. Seems like a big waste for such a small seem. It is in a stream that brings water to the pond. Not a lot of elevation change.
I always use the added protection of both. Not worth the $ to come back and fix it later. It may be ok without, I have never tried it-when rolled into the cost of a project, it seems like cheap insurance to me👍
You can buy 6" cover tape by the section: I've seen by the foot and even as low as by 3" or 4". It's definitely a pricey product, but beats the heck out of having to revisit the liner because it wasn't done right ... and that's EXACTLY where I'm at. I gave up on someone else doing it and have begun the process myself. I'm confident it won't leak this time around! :) I might save a bit for future repairs and go ahead and sell my excess seaming and cover tape.
Dang, where can you get the materials from one place or have to goto separate places?
We get all of it from our aquascape local distributor!
@@KoiAddiction thanks, we don't have such a thing here.
no info on what the primer is made of, or what type of tape? Sorry, not in North America, so I'm looking all over and don't even know what to ask for...
It is firestone epdm primer and epdm double-sided tape & cover tape. The cover tape comes in 6-9-& 12” wide rolls! Call MJ the pond advisor in UK?
Go to the Firestone website and get tons of information there on their TIS (technical information sheets). www.firestonebpco.com/ Check out their EPDM lines in all areas bc the products overlap. In fact, they've taken the same EPDM material and rebranded it as GeoGard, PondGard and RubberGard. QuickPrime is the seaming solvent. I've researched this shyte inside and out and upside and downside! And that includes speaking with their technical specialists bc I do NOT want to have to touch the liner ever again ... well, maybe if a tree falls on it and I need to repair it. But NOT bc I didn't seam it right. Going behind incompetence is a bloody PITA. Here, see if this gets you closer: www.firestonebpco.com/us-en/search?q=*quickseam%20primer&fq=(type:assets) I've used QuickPrime in quart and now gallon bc the gallon is a better deal if you need it-and I do.
What is the name of the cover tape
It is 6” EPDM cover tape. It also comes in 9 and 12” but we use 6.
Thanks. No Soap?
Nope no soap :-) if the liners extra dirty we might use a scrub brush and some PVC cleaner but typically just water😎👍🏻
@@KoiAddiction Thanks again.