I wish slightly more had been said about the fact that M-A’s portrait artist was literally _sui generis,_ the only female artist of note in France and probably in all of Europe….she was a complete anomaly, enormously talented, and had the necessary qualities to become the great Queen’s close friend and confidant! This is obviously not about Elisabeth Vigée-Lebrun, but her very presence at that or any time is clearly notable.
Marie-Antoinette is, throughout all of history, the one person I will always adore learning about. That whole era, the powdered poufs, the clothing, the architecture, the music, are all topics that I do enjoy researching, but Antoinette herself just draws me in and I cannot help but adore her. And no, not because of the 2006 film, which I admittedly do enjoy despite the inaccuracies and somewhat flippant handling of the subject matter. My adoration and obsession with the Queen actually started during one of my Wikipedia rabbit holes back in 2009 or so, when I wanted to know if people really wore those outlandish hairstyles, and naturally Antoinette was there in many of the articles I'd read. She was there in Leonard Autie's article - the hairdresser to the Queen, credited with inventing the pouf hairstyles alongside her favored dress designer Rose Bertin; she was there in the articles about big hair, about the pouf, about the powdered wigs. It was when I read that she never actually said 'let them eat cake' that I really decided to do a deep dive and I've never looked back.
I agree with you! Have you read the wonderful book, "Louis and Antoinette" by Vincent Cronin? It has factual information that is different than the current beliefs about both King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette. "Historically called frivolous pleasure-seekers which cost them their heads, Louis XVI of France and his Queen, Antoinette, here emerge in a quite different light. Against the backdrop of a glittering court, their relationship and personalities unfold toward the violent upheavals of revolution in 1789."
Because she was a traitor. She pretended to be sympathetic to the revolutionaries such as Barnarve, she was also writing to other Monarchs to invade & have war with France to make Louis XVI and herself Absolute Monarchs 👑👑 chosen by God & worked against a constitutional monarchy, like they have in England. Barnarve was sent to the Guillotine for helping her, so was she because she only looked out for herself. Not her children or husband but herself 🤬
Marie Antoinette DIED AT AGE 37. How could you guys mess up such a basic detail? She is NOT 40 in any of the portraits, unless this info is from a parallel universe
Seriously….shouldn’t the information presented be the most important part of a history video?? And you’re reducing all of this man’s schooling and hard work to something silly like his looks?? Well, alrighty then! That puts it into a nutshell, doesn’t it??
At the Smithsonian Museum, which also has the Hope Diamond, the earrings are said to have been with MA, as the Royal Family tried to escape France from their imprisonment in Paris but we’re captured at Varennes. The diamonds are probably not in their original settings.
That Rose Bertin dress at 17 minutes was modified after Marie Antoinette's death. That's not how it was worn or intended when worn by Queen Marie Antoinnette.
The dress in Toronto has been much altered. Also, the hooped court dresses were apparently not uncomfortable since they were not overly heavy and knickers were not worn until the nineteenth century, so they were airy. Also, the wearers of such clothes did not do anything approaching real work.
I would be worried my husband waned me out of his life to give me another palace? They did not see each other as husband and wife perhaps anymore? Or there was something going on with them no one will ever know? Guess we do not know what was behind it all? Guess it is their private life. But we like to feel she just liked to have the ability to not worry that she would be interrupting the life of the King in any way? This would be for the children as well. He loved them, but needed to give a certain image when people visited him or came to have meetings?
This was not a modern marriage, by any stretch of the imagination. They were married at 15 (Louis) and 14 (Marie Antoinette), did not know each other previous to the marriage, and had utterly nothing in common. They weren't in love. Ever. It took like eight years for Marie Antoinette to give birth to their first child, because her husband A) had no interest in sex or B) sex was painful for him. She was charming, fun, and witty; he was considered quite dull and liked to make locks. Like...locks that go on doors. He talked about it a lot. Marie Antoinette found it terribly boring. On top of this, royal marriages of pretty much any era (excepting the modern) were ones in which lovers were expected to be taken. Not so much by the queens, though it did occur, but ABSOLUTELY by the king. The French Court had a title for the king's favorite mistress, she had a position at court, and she was often more powerful than or as powerful as the true Queen. Louix XVI was considered weak because he had no mistress. He never cheated on Marie Antoinette because, again, he had little interest in sex. Le Petite Trianon wasn't a "get away from me so I can bang this hot blonde" kind of gift. It was a "I know you suffer under the intense scrutiny of the court and need a place of your own, so here's a place where YOU decide who gets to be near you" kind of gift. It was a great kindness. They were woke up and dressed by courtiers when at court. Marie Antoinette had a MASS of people in the room when she gave birth to her first child, just straight up watching as, uh, things progressed, because ALL of the monarchs lives were considered the property of the people and the court. And she just wanted some peace and quiet, you know?
I had read that Madame du Berry was the original recipient of the supposed necklace... it is actually hideous. Du Berry supposedly admitted she had it and I don't know if if was broken down or sold whole or to whom. It was ugly I will say that.
The dress can’t be properly said to be one of Marie Antoinette. When it was sold it simply has an old card that said it was by Rose Bertin but no mention of Marie Antoinette. Rose Bertin had 30 employees and supplied all the dresses for Court dresses as well many members of the ancient regime. The dress was also restyled in the 19th century. As far as I know there are no existing dresses that have a provenance proving it as a Marie Antoinette dress. There are shoes, a piece of fabric from a dress, and some of her jewelry. The museum that owns the dress says it “probably” was worn by Marie A, but no real evidence. 🧐
There are also her wardrobe books that have a piece of fabric from each gown,though no record of what the gown looked like. Most of her gowns she probably gifted to friends and relations after wearing them a few times.
Yes it is supposed to be her scrapbook of fabric swatches & they found the pins she used for picking out the fabric in the floorboards under her bed, from what I’ve read.
Because os the strict rules of the various guild rules, she had to order a dress from a dressmaker- then Rose would use her imagination & talent to create a Couture Gown. 🤩
The female narrator is gorgeous but very hard to understand in English and not articulate in English. This would have been better presented by someone who had a good command of English. She did well but from a video/oral standpoint it was difficult to understand.. it needed subtitles in English. I love the history yet struggle to understand the narrations.
I wish slightly more had been said about the fact that M-A’s portrait artist was literally _sui generis,_ the only female artist of note in France and probably in all of Europe….she was a complete anomaly, enormously talented, and had the necessary qualities to become the great Queen’s close friend and confidant! This is obviously not about Elisabeth Vigée-Lebrun, but her very presence at that or any time is clearly notable.
Marie-Antoinette is, throughout all of history, the one person I will always adore learning about. That whole era, the powdered poufs, the clothing, the architecture, the music, are all topics that I do enjoy researching, but Antoinette herself just draws me in and I cannot help but adore her. And no, not because of the 2006 film, which I admittedly do enjoy despite the inaccuracies and somewhat flippant handling of the subject matter. My adoration and obsession with the Queen actually started during one of my Wikipedia rabbit holes back in 2009 or so, when I wanted to know if people really wore those outlandish hairstyles, and naturally Antoinette was there in many of the articles I'd read. She was there in Leonard Autie's article - the hairdresser to the Queen, credited with inventing the pouf hairstyles alongside her favored dress designer Rose Bertin; she was there in the articles about big hair, about the pouf, about the powdered wigs. It was when I read that she never actually said 'let them eat cake' that I really decided to do a deep dive and I've never looked back.
I agree with you! Have you read the wonderful book, "Louis and Antoinette" by Vincent Cronin? It has factual information that is different than the current beliefs about both King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette. "Historically called frivolous pleasure-seekers which cost them their heads, Louis XVI of France and his Queen, Antoinette, here emerge in a quite different light. Against the backdrop of a glittering court, their relationship and personalities unfold toward the violent upheavals of revolution in 1789."
Those dresses look so inconvenient. The chemise a la rein must have been a relief!
What they did to Marie was barbaric.why didn't they let her go back to austria.
Because she was a traitor. She pretended to be sympathetic to the revolutionaries such as Barnarve, she was also writing to other Monarchs to invade & have war with France to make Louis XVI and herself Absolute Monarchs 👑👑 chosen by God & worked against a constitutional monarchy, like they have in England. Barnarve was sent to the Guillotine for helping her, so was she because she only looked out for herself. Not her children or husband but herself 🤬
Marie Antoinette DIED AT AGE 37. How could you guys mess up such a basic detail? She is NOT 40 in any of the portraits, unless this info is from a parallel universe
Very true.
Most people in the general public are not interested in history
Thank you for your wonderful presentation. I enjoyed it very much.
A beautifully handsome man talking, respectfully and even enthusiastically, about my most cherished historical figure? Absolutely!
Seriously….shouldn’t the information presented be the most important part of a history video?? And you’re reducing all of this man’s schooling and hard work to something silly like his looks?? Well, alrighty then! That puts it into a nutshell, doesn’t it??
At the Smithsonian Museum, which also has the Hope Diamond, the earrings are said to have been with MA, as the Royal Family tried to escape France from their imprisonment in Paris but we’re captured at Varennes. The diamonds are probably not in their original settings.
Thank you. This was wonderful.
We are so happy you enjoyed it!
Since cultured pearls were not made until the early 20th century, Pearls were more rare and expensive than diamonds.
This was so informative...thank you for uploading
Thank you for you comment, so glad you enjoyed it :) !
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with such a fascinating subject. This was a wonderful lecture.
Merci pour votre presentation.
That Rose Bertin dress at 17 minutes was modified after Marie Antoinette's death. That's not how it was worn or intended when worn by Queen Marie Antoinnette.
The dress in Toronto has been much altered. Also, the hooped court dresses were apparently not uncomfortable since they were not overly heavy and knickers were not worn until the nineteenth century, so they were airy. Also, the wearers of such clothes did not do anything approaching real work.
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the boy's accent is priceless :D
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I would be worried my husband waned me out of his life to give me another palace? They did not see each other as husband and wife perhaps anymore? Or there was something going on with them no one will ever know? Guess we do not know what was behind it all? Guess it is their private life.
But we like to feel she just liked to have the ability to not worry that she would be interrupting the life of the King in any way? This would be for the children as well. He loved them, but needed to give a certain image when people visited him or came to have meetings?
This was not a modern marriage, by any stretch of the imagination. They were married at 15 (Louis) and 14 (Marie Antoinette), did not know each other previous to the marriage, and had utterly nothing in common. They weren't in love. Ever. It took like eight years for Marie Antoinette to give birth to their first child, because her husband A) had no interest in sex or B) sex was painful for him. She was charming, fun, and witty; he was considered quite dull and liked to make locks. Like...locks that go on doors. He talked about it a lot. Marie Antoinette found it terribly boring.
On top of this, royal marriages of pretty much any era (excepting the modern) were ones in which lovers were expected to be taken. Not so much by the queens, though it did occur, but ABSOLUTELY by the king. The French Court had a title for the king's favorite mistress, she had a position at court, and she was often more powerful than or as powerful as the true Queen. Louix XVI was considered weak because he had no mistress. He never cheated on Marie Antoinette because, again, he had little interest in sex.
Le Petite Trianon wasn't a "get away from me so I can bang this hot blonde" kind of gift. It was a "I know you suffer under the intense scrutiny of the court and need a place of your own, so here's a place where YOU decide who gets to be near you" kind of gift. It was a great kindness. They were woke up and dressed by courtiers when at court. Marie Antoinette had a MASS of people in the room when she gave birth to her first child, just straight up watching as, uh, things progressed, because ALL of the monarchs lives were considered the property of the people and the court. And she just wanted some peace and quiet, you know?
I think she wanted somewhere to relax where there wasnt so much protocol and silly rules of behaviour and etiquette.
Highest quality of taste cannot be taught. It's either you have it or- not at all.
It can be conditioned over time if it does not come naturally to a person, if that person has the willingness to make permanent improvements.
@@divinelove4604 Yes- you're right.
I had read that Madame du Berry was the original recipient of the supposed necklace... it is actually hideous. Du Berry supposedly admitted she had it and I don't know if if was broken down or sold whole or to whom. It was ugly I will say that.
I.love the clothes in that time
The dress can’t be properly said to be one of Marie Antoinette. When it was sold it simply has an old card that said it was by Rose Bertin but no mention of Marie Antoinette. Rose Bertin had 30 employees and supplied all the dresses for Court dresses as well many members of the ancient regime. The dress was also restyled in the 19th century. As far as I know there are no existing dresses that have a provenance proving it as a Marie Antoinette dress. There are shoes, a piece of fabric from a dress, and some of her jewelry. The museum that owns the dress says it “probably” was worn by Marie A, but no real evidence. 🧐
There are also her wardrobe books that have a piece of fabric from each gown,though no record of what the gown looked like. Most of her gowns she probably gifted to friends and relations after wearing them a few times.
Yes it is supposed to be her scrapbook of fabric swatches & they found the pins she used for picking out the fabric in the floorboards under her bed, from what I’ve read.
There are some engravings of her dresses, but I don’t know how accurate they are 🤔
@@robertn800 probably quite accurate
MUCH BETTER IN FRENCH
Rose Bertan did not make dresses.
Bertin
Because os the strict rules of the various guild rules, she had to order a dress from a dressmaker- then Rose would use her imagination & talent to create a Couture Gown. 🤩
The female narrator is gorgeous but very hard to understand in English and not articulate in English. This would have been better presented by someone who had a good command of English. She did well but from a video/oral standpoint it was difficult to understand.. it needed subtitles in English. I love the history yet struggle to understand the narrations.
Yes and for me was even more difficult as English is not my first language
It would be better if they spoke french ! a disaster !