Gungrave Overdose Review: Fixing What Wasn't Broke
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- While not entirely bad, Gungrave Overdose ended up being one of the most disappointing games I've played this year and is a massive step down from the original
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After seeing how much you praised the first game, hearing all of your dissapointments relating to the second game feels painful
It's especially painful for me as I can't agree with 90% of it, overdose is a vastly superior game
From your descriptions, it sounds to me like the game might have originally intended for you to use all three characters in a single playthrough, and designed the levels accordingly. But then they changed it to how it is now (possibly to make the game technically three times longer), and never went and rebalanced the levels to work for every character.
Yea I got that feeling too. I kept dying on one mission with grave but handled it easily with juji
@@9773an I'm doing Rocket Billy's playthrough and when fighting against the 3 members of millennian into a mutant I was raging so hard with the bullshit fetus creatures rolling and the damage not doing enough to destroying the generator.
Unfortunately, I don't think that would fix a lot of the inherent bad design. I mean what is with the sequels that thought platforming sections was a good idea.
Though I'm glad the platforming sections in grave was patched out. Shame there are no fan mods to fix this game
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Cvit
This rant about stop playing or caring about games that don't interest you is amazing. I am a massive game collector and some games are said to be good, but don't engage me, or I don't like the game play loop or genre. Playing something through just because you started it doesn't make sense anymore if you don't like it. Snatcher is one of the greatest visual novels ever, but when I got the emulator working I didn't enjoy it. $1000 for a copy I didn't spend is not enough for me to continue. Honestly one of the best decisions you ever made Cvit. It made my gaming experience 10x better.
Lollipop Chainsaw was the game that made me adopt this mentality, and I've felt so much better since. I saw it jumping up in price on the PS3 and thought there must be something to it, so I imported the Japanese version for a third of the price and it just wasn't for me, but I held myself back because for a month I thought I was going to beat it. For that month I barely played new games because I didn't want to lose my focus and barely played that because it was bad
I know you usually don't do show reviews but give the Gungrave anime a shot some time, I really liked the mafia parts even if the more sci-fi stuff from the games didnt fit all too well with it.
All things considered, the sci fi elements were implemented pretty well. It had to be there somehow
The anime is pretty solid. Not perfect but for me it's an 8/10. I would recommend it to just about anybody for the really well paced Mafia story.
This channel literally started with an anime review lol
But the sci fi pars is what turns the mafia so good, is like the godfather if they lived in a century after noir times... its literally cyberpunk, all the seek for power even if humanity is in game, this makes a good pair with the other elements
Juji and Billy are awesome characters though. This game had a lot of cool content but lackluster execution.
The way you described the original Gungrave as "feeling like an arcade game you never heard of ported to consoles" reminded me why I like Sin & Punishment so much, it feels exactly like that and it's great.
The 1rst one was soo convoluted and complexing, one of the most memorables n64 games with a stellar soundtrack
The second one is the best, i just want kachi and isa cinematic and not that "i kill you"( *he shot the bad guy* )
*THE END*
For the bulldozer fights. You can lock onto their handles to take down the shovels. So you could damage them from the front.
As for everything else, yeah I agree. I have no idea why people think overdose is better than the first
First try is projectile hell in lv5-7
I find it baffling that the voice acting for this game is this bad. Especially considering the anime's dub is great. I really want to know what happened during development
And so, this series was led to an early (Gun)grave.
Until this Fall when Gungrave: G.O.R.E is supposed to come out
@@JV-ll1cu and gungrave gore is a huge flop compared to its ps2 counter parts
@@thegamingspothd9557 I think it has/had potential but kind of feels like a BETA -version and not finished product
This game was certainly an odd experience when I first tried it, curious to see how the new title will turn out.
Agreed
Three generations later and a very different art style. I wonder how most people will think of the gameplay, or how much it has changed. With shooters now having very similar controls now, gungrave's controls would be a hit or miss with people.
And I love how the gungrave games play
The studio that worked on the game and that was responsible for making the anime went bankrupt madhouse did the animation but bandi "namcoms old animation studio" went bankrupt in 08/09 overdose was suppose to get another anime but because of that it got scrapped. The people who worked on these two games went to work at ark system works.
Whats your source on that?
@@123darkelf "trust me bro"
Critics are against arcade length. Kinda sucks that this game tried to bloat itself just to sell to critics.
that's exactly what happened! and i hate that generation of gamers cuz of that stupid dumbass mentality they constantly had!
So that discount Bayonetta fight against Sherry is actually kind of odd in a narrative perspective. Sherry was actually the wife of Harry McDowall, and daughter of Bear Walken from the first game, and the only way you'd know this is if you watch the anime, which is the only other time she appears. The anime isn't even canon, as certain elements are drastically different. It's infinitely better than this game though, and I recommend it.
I hope they remaster both PS2 games for consoles and pc. And actually do good ports unlike GTA Trilogy.
Hoping Gore turns out good. More interested in games like that now than most AAA games.
From the teaser alone the game looks like it’s gonna be a pretty good game with a little bit of repetitive gameplay but at least our boy GRAVE is coming back and that’s what matters right?
@HANK MUTHAFUKAH WIMBLETON, At least it's not a VR game. I don't know why they thought a 3rd person action game like Gungrave needed a VR game...
Gore better be good, stuff like Drake of the 99 Dragons still haunts my nightmare lol.
@@Gruntvc about 1/3 of my soul dies when a game company makes an iconic beloved rather niche title and think a VR or spin-off game is what people want after years without an entry
@@starless267 facts
GTA the trilogy-the definitive edition: pretending to fix something that wasn’t broke
That and removing the previous versions that were available on both PS4 and pc. No shame.
How could the art in the briefing scenes be from the mangaka of Trigun? It's too boring.
When is "Everything wrong about Yu gi oh gx season 3" coming out?? Really enjoyed them
Here's a question: Why was an animation stupid in charge of game development? That is like asking a company that specializes in geology to build 5 sport cars without telling them anything about constructing automobiles or engineering.
The wikipedia quote "developed by animation studio Ikusabune" is actually plain incorrect. It was developed, designed, directed and programmed by almost all the SAME people who worked on the original Gungrave, working for or contracting on behalf of Red Entertainment.
@@SianaGearz Leave it to Wikipedia to get things wrong yet claim to reliable.
One thing to remember about game reception back during the 6th gen was the idea of more game length = objectively better, despite by now many have figured out how that's not a definitive fact. So while a good critique by now, saying a game was "too long" is going against the popular mindset of the day that many people fell for, including devs as a means to satisfy the players, reviewers, and publishers desires.
Hell a lot of people now days think that
@@zachman329 they're sort of right to say it to some extent.
It's a cost analysis. A 40-60 dollar game being 3 hours would be trash.
You have to price stuff to what you give.
10-40 now.
At some point it doesn't make sense because it drags though. Especially in 3d games.
Wasn't the original price of this game $49.99?
This game was one of the hardest games I ever played on the PS2.
I put up there with God Hand and Spartan Total Warrior in terms of difficulty.
let's hope gungrave gore turns out alright.
Aaaaaaand it didn't
Gungrave gore is worse than overdose. Overdose is miles better than gore
Are you going to do more Yakuza videos? Your Yakuza 1 video was pretty good dude. 👍
He said that it might take a while. Especially considering he would play the og and the remake. And there are more differences between the two
I'm only 30 seconds into this video and the horrible horrible memories of me loving these two games are starting to flood back in a way that I cannot move or comprehend at the moment
I found the gun grave game at my local retro game store for $20 and I really wanted to buy it but I didn’t have enough money but I will get it
I enjoyed the original game and the anime quite a bit, so I've been thinking several times to check out Overdose, as I heard it had many improvements, but seems like I dodged a bullet. XD To bad, because there seems to be several good ideas here, but the gameplay just seems so sub-par. I love Nightow's art and ideas, even if they can be a bit chaotic.
Loved Gungrave back in the day, he made me think of a Alucard /Vincent Valentine fusion on steroids 😅
And Maybe a hint of vash the stampede
That was a great Bentley impression
oh whoops someone's bad at playing gungrave overdose
several of your complaints stem from you straight up being unable to play the videogame.
the shield doesn't recharge "when out of combat", it recharges when you've taken no damage for a few seconds and are also not shooting. so you trying to recharge your shield by standing behind cover and shooting guys is not going to work. you can recharge it if you weren't fighting.
but why do that when overdose specifically makes your shield recharge when you use a demolition shot? it's almost like it's some kind of game mechanic that rewards you for high style points and using your resources wisely.
gunkata going all over the place? damn, i wonder if that's because that move is intended to be a general AOE normal attack and not focus fire.
trying to focus on a single target? lock on. now you can also move! maybe that helps you dodge metal objects traveling towards you at high speed.
"but i would like to stand still and shoot one guy a lot really fast!" wow, that sounds nice! have you tried holding the left stick forward while you're shooting and not locked on?
though yeah some sections actually are awful.
I'll say that everything you said is fine, but I feel like your being to aggressive in saying it. I understand you like this game and you are defending it, but you could've done it in a more respectful way.
Cope
@@Nathan-rb3qp seethe
@@merryone95 No maidens?
@@Nathan-rb3qp none. Touch grass
I definitely recommend Blood Blockade Battlefront if you want to explore more Nightow works, it's great
I was watching it as it was coming out until the anime had that hiatus and I never ended up going back
@@Cvit Understandable. I just binged it earlier this year and it was great. Hell I'd say peep the dub if you have any interest of going back, it's really good especially considering the setting
I'll be real normally I like most of your reviews but this one comes off as you barely trying to learn the game or you just being flat out bad at it. A lot of your problems were just stuff I didn't run into. Day of the dead and its upgrades make a lot of the game's problems quite easy to deal with, like the helicopter for example.
I'm currently replaying the game on a emulator and I only died once and that was on the elevator section. The game is really fun and give you the tools to deal with every enemy.
@@thegamingspothd9557 Yeah I was thinking the same thing. If you've having problems with any one thing there is always a way around it.
I liked the faster mobility and the new moves but the rest of the game was a mess. The shield nerfs was too heavy, the constant knockdowns and horrible camera made this game a mess. You can see that the story was clearly at least a 13 episodes anime but their budget was so limited that they couldn't animate anything. Yuji experience in this game is why people said "never bring a sword into a gun fight" his slashes should have been his main shots and should not be cancelled when you move or dodge.
Cvit plz do everything wrong with yugioh gx season 3
Was this game made by Hollywood because it seems like it’s following the rules when it comes to sequels making everything that was good about the original Terrible in the sequel
glad to here you comment on the graphics. I thought it looked worse than the original because my emulator settings were bad or something, but no the first game just looks way better lol. even though i've only played the tutorial, i dont get how overdose got a way better reception. I went into it like you did, expecting a even crazier sequel. but the low fps, bad graphics and choppy gameplay with mika stopping to explain junk totally turned me off.
Gungrave G.O.R.E better be good we need more games like this
True, plus stuff like Wanted Dead.
@@Gruntvc true that
Hope so. Not jiving with the new visual style personally. Kind of looks bit plasticy and aiming for shoddy hyper-realism loses the visual charm of the first game.
@@Dacho_Shaki yeah I understand I’m just happy that there will finally be another(hopefully better) gungrave
Played it. they doubled down on a lot of shit here
I didn't even finish Grave and Billy's campaigns. Grave felt really bad to play and Billy wasn't that fun, i did have a enjoy my time with Juji though, his fire pattern is kinda lame but his dashes and katanas were fun enough.
PS: might want to check out Shinobi for the PS2, it seems to really fit in that list of games you mentioned at the end.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had a miserable time playing Overdose
The comment about parts being built for grave and others being better for juji make it seem like they made levels tailor made for the characters but to extend to the game length they mashed every level to every character.
Concerning the part with Juji in the casino where you have to bust up those slot machines. Is there any reason you couldn't just go over and cut them up with his swords considering his melee-focused? I mean, that seems like a pretty simple solution to that problem.
When you get closer to the slots they all open fire and shreds your shield pretty fast honestly
Hey man what happened to the yugioh series 🤷🏻♂️. I havent seen ur videos for aaaaa while
No lie, I would like to hear your thoughts/review on the Gungrave anime.
PS : I'm replaying the campaign as Juji recently and holy shit it's way better than grave .not only those the demolition shots are way easier to charge them and you are way faster than grave making it easy to parry any missiles and really satisfying to mown down enemies, specially if you activate the slow motion
Elevator section had me stumped as a kid, Went back back and beat it as an adult and it was still a pain. Even with all of its faults I still love the game but I just wish it was shorter. I have no idea how I put with some of the shit it throws at you as a kid though.
Gungrve VR was also kinda bad, though the thing that kills it is the slow 20 degree stepped turning makes it impossible to play. If the turning were analog and smooth it would be a fun game. Unlike most VR games it uses a gamepad and is otherwise just Gungrave (the game is still third person) with aiming controlled by the HMD and in a 3D environment. The frustrating thing is they *almost* had it but one bad design decision with the controls ruins it.
Still better than G.O.R.E.
I think a Gungrave reboot/remake with arcsys like graphics would be great with the gift of hindsight
Gungrave Gore looks good.
I have an emulator that makes games run worse than Gungrave Overdose (on laptops and desktops my brother and I own that run pretty much every PC game despite people telling me that an emulator can run smoothly on a laptop & desktop like ours), bought the game at some point and played it on original hardware (on a console that is a slim and doesn't recquire a paint can placed firmily on top of it to play), no issues you described were there at all....
Am I living in the fucking twilight zone?
I am also playing Gungrave OD on real hardware making a full walkthrough. All of the issues mentioned are present. The game is locked at 30 fps, and presents shit slowdowns even with the cellshade system scrapped out of it. I can only hope for a PC port of both ps2 games after the release of GORE so people can fix OD via modding.
I always turn off the vibration everytime i play this since the first time i did when the option on my hands are numb as fck after i finish the game XD
So...when are you going to review the anime?
Just found your UA-cam channel and became a fan today. Watched a bunch of your videos, keep making them some of my favs
Where is everything wrong with Yu hi oh season 3 (Can’t remember what it’s called) please release it
I recently bought Gungrave G.O.R.E. and I am having alot of fun with it. I wanted to look back at the rest of the series but based on this review I should only look at the original.
I'm excited to hear you cover Gungrave G.O.R.E. . It's not a perfect game but it seems like it fixed alot of things you mentioned as issues. One piece of advice is to not play it on Hard the first time like I did as it throws so many enemies that it's common to be overhelmed by them. Unless you have routed every stage perfectly for an S-Ranked every or grind early stages for enough upgrade points to level make you capable of dealing more DPS so the enemies don't pile up wave after wave.
13 year old me loved this game ; n ;
Tbh those bosses aren't even that bad , I'm surprised that at any point he didn't mention the weird mutation thing from previous bosses .. That thing it's the worst boss fight I've ever played in a videogame
This was a fun budget game imo, it only retailed for $20
i like how it took 2 years for the new game to get another trailer
This was one of the first games i got for my PS2 at the time, and it was entirely in Japanese, so to me it did feel like and old OVA except i had no hope of ever understanding it. This did make me avoid the story as well as not really caring for the tutorial, and i'm laughing my ass off that the sword guys are supposed to be fought in close range. I do not remember having a problem with the camera at all, as well as the shield regeneration working fine and somewhat quickly, but the boss fight with the two bulldozers was absurd and shaped how i would play the rest of the game as well, by spamming the supers. So i remember this more as a meter management game kind of, since there wasn't much tech regarding which buttons to press, just loading up specials to get shield in hairy situations and sometimes blocking a barrage of fire(like in the SpiderRobot fight), to then load up on specials.
I also remember unlocking both other characters as soon as they appeared in the story, and thinking they were way easier so i would be "cheating" by using them lol
The game was way too long, yeah, and while you didnt have much positive to say about this that you didn't say about the first one, i'm glad to see another piece of my childhood on this channel, great video.
7:01 bold of you to expect that from a Japanese game trying to pad out it's playtime.
This game was so insanely good.
Rocketbilly and Jyuji were blessed additions to the story/game.
this game is a lot better if you get stuck on the spider tanks and start over on easy mode, also the other characters are playable after the first mission (not the tutorial) but you need to start over to play them.
This i exactly what I did with jujis story. Made the game so much better because tbh grave is not that fun to play.
OMG the frontloader fight almost made me ragequit the game, it's so bad... the only way I found to reliably damage enemies at a reasonable pace was to dodge shoot since it has a much faster rate of fire. Of course it's hard as tits to actually do it reliably since your lock on is more shortsighted than my grandma (seriously why is it like that) but if you get in a good position you can dish out loads of bullets very quickly while avoiding most damage you'd otherwise take if you were trying to do the guns barrage (which is sadly near useless in this game)
I wonder if they improved things in gungrave G.O.R.E
I hope I'm the only one currently wanting to know when you think you'll continue the everything wrong with yugioh series because I'm just curious
Same here, i just want an update
Awesome review. I enjoyed the first game and wanted to jump to OD, but this review discouraged me. The problems present in here does seam annoying, I might try it later.
Have you heard of a game called Gungage, I think it deserves a review :)
Who else is waiting on Gx season 3?
Think about it this way. When you're a kid and you've got yourself a ps2 and you see this game with the cool cowboy on the cover promising badass action, how do you think you'd feel reaching the end of this $50 game in under 2 hours?
is it really worth it if you dont enjoy the 8 hours game though? Plus with the added characters it could have more replayability with the shorter game. And with less game time they could focus on polishing the game maybe even add unique cutscenes for the other playable characters.
I feel you.
I haven't finished Fallout 4, dark souls, Morrowind, Resident evil remakes, every Zelda game and code vein cause I wasn't having any fun or they were fun but there were things inside the games storyline that sounded completely stupid.
Gun Grave sounds like a good franchise but Idk if it's on the PS4 store so I can't actually play it.
Been playing the first gungrave since I was 4 years old, that's 21 years of been obsessed with it, agree with everything that you said, overdose was a major stepped down 2:29 - wise words, the vibes the first gungrave delivers remains unmatched by any other gungrave
Rip at the beginning lol
i just need thank you for showing me these games as someone that loves gungrave
You seem to have issues with the gameplay because you aren't exploiting the dive-barrage. Locking on to enemis then diving and shooting lets you place yourself out of harm and damage spike consistently. It lets you lay out almost all of the bosses easily.
Wait, did Billy do the Cucui Ganon dance ?
Enemy Stacking the Video Game! 😂
Ngl, i saw the thumbnail and thought you were going to talk about that one takeshi game like jontron did, lol
5:24
*Blip!*
"Megaman, Megaman!"
Love the Takeshi Kitano in the thumbnail
Beeg OOF! Also yeah as someone with ADHD I tend to drop something I don't like after a while as well.
Poorly executed Indeed especially seeing how the first is easily one of my favourite games ever
27:50 Yooooo what's this game called?? I played a demo for it back on the 360 years ago and I really liked the aesthetics but couldn't understand a single thing about it, I really would like to dig back into it nowadays
Never mind, El Shaddai! Great video Cvit, sorry you had to endure such a sluggish, shit game
@@TopShoyu dude I appreciate you answering that! I was looking in the comments because it looked so cool lol
@@vogtlvan took a screenshot of the scene and did a reverse image search to find it hahaha still gotta find a decent way to play it again in the modern era, unfortunately
@@TopShoyu gotcha. I did the same but did not find results lol. It seems a remastered was released last year on Steam
I feel so blessed that I haven’t played this game.
Hey just this week the gameplay and trailers of the new gungrave ate poping up
you do a review on the suffering
Bro can you do a everything wrong with Pokémon like you did with YuGiOh. Maybe compare the anime series with the games. Idk I just love how you did those videos
what game is that at 27:50???
Thanks for this review, almost bought this game because I enjoyed the first one. This does not look like fun.
pls tell me how i can find the tumbnail image lol
Playing Overdose right now. Huge step down from the first game, which I genuinely adored. Damn shame...
This is extremely upscaled right?
Please make that devil summoner 1/2 video, just beat the second one not too long ago and damn those games are cool
I actually cannot even finish this game it is too frustrating. The elevator mission is horrible. They tried making the game too fast paced when your character cannot react in time. You have nothing to dodge several rocket attacks coming at you from all directions
Gungrave Overdose
Buggrave Overdose
Gungrave Overbugs
Buggrave Overbugs
I love gungrave the first game PS2 and the anime!!!! Overdose No lie maybe want to snap my PS2 controller.... And I paid $50 Canadian for this game....
If overdose frustrated you then don't even play the new one 😂😂 gungrave gore takes frustration to a whole another level with its bs
Yu Gi Oh season 3. Thats all.
I dropped the game when u fight the boss thats a giant blob in the midde of the room and u have to destroy shields around the circle room
Thanks for the vid
Would like to see a review of the new gun grave game.
I played through a good half of the first game before I tried this game and something was just off, so I stopped and haven't gone back since
I just tried it myself and got to stage 9. The first couple hours were alright then it just draaaaaaags. Also the lack of level music makes it even more boring. I gave up after the enemies got too annoying for me to have any fun.
Looking at this game makes me feel I’m overdosing
Rule of thumb
If game have a choper boss it will be nuclear waste.