literally as soon as you started talking about how the gun was getting wind resistance and showed the diagram with the turret turned I figured it out, gotta love simple yet effective designs
Bo's explanation: it has rabbit ears to attract the bf 109s into Ivan's range so he could shoot them because the bf 109s were focused on seeing a cute bunny.
Leave it to the russians to find the most direct and hands-on solution. Although it reminds me a bit of the italians with their MC.202. They had issues with the huge torque of the DB601 engine. So instead of counteracting with trim tabs they just made one wing a bit longer to combat the rolling.
***** Oh, you need power to take off on your own, comrade? Vodka fuel-injections will make you so powerful, you can take off and fly like strangest helicopter ever!
Very interesting. In the US Army as a gunner in a Humvee without a powered turret and a MK-19 mounted, I found myself coming up with techniques to use the large ammunition can as a sail to ease the the struggle of rotating the turret while traveling in excess of 100kph down Iraqi highways. I can only imagine fighting 400kph winds while an aircraft is maneuvering!
tell that to the british, in Afghanistan my father rode with a British division, boy are they not civilized in combat. they did those speeds on a sidewalk in 6×6 mraps
It's so obvious... ..once someone tells you about it. :D I've always wondered, and now that I know why I feel like I was an idiot for not seeing it before
Reminds me of an older joke about the Space Race; Americans at NASA spent 10 Million US dollars designing a pen that operated in microgravity conditions, years of time and effort expended... the Cosmonauts just used a pencil.
When I read that it was a solution to make the turret easier (DrZebra's simplistic answer), it didn't make sense. That would lend itself to the ear making it harder to turn farther, but easier to turn back into the backward position. The full explanation, that the gun makes it try to push back and the rabbit ears are counterbalances, is where it makes sense. Brilliant. Reminds me of the adage about us pumping money into developing a pen that writes in space. When a Russian is asked how they write in space, a cosmonaut replied, "We use pencil." The story's false - the space pen was a private venture and sold to both programs for a few bucks each - but it is a good story about overthinking and plays on the general Russian mentality of simple yet reliable.
thats a really cool idea, that also is the explaination i thought of when i first saw these fins in WT... good times back then, thanks for confirming my suspicion Bis
Aerodynamic balance, I believe the term is, when used on flight controls. The spitfire also has a similar feature on it's rudder. You can also have mass balance, which has a similar effect to having the air do the work to make it easier to move the controls.
Thats pretty awesome and it sums up Russia very well for me. There are a lot of ways to solve the issue, a hell of a lot of them would be better than the Russian method. But this was effective, cheap, reliable, and easy. Its genius comes in the fact that it wasn't perfect, but it was "good enough" and the rest of its design goes into making it simplistic and cheap to produce,
Olivia Lambert Russians make simple, cheap and sometimes clunky designs, but they WORK. The German version of this would be delicate, superbly designed, insanely complicated, and would break the second time it was used. Lol, then a German field mechanic would improvise a small widget that would solve the problem, but would later be reprimanded by his comanders because he let the aircraft leave the ground with sub-standard equipment on it.
@@michaelcoulter1114 Reminds me of the pen developed to allow Astronauts to write in space. To avoid the problems of Melting plastic, Vacuum and Zero gravity they developed a metal pen. The ink was pressurised with nitrogen so it was forced down to the ball in front of a stainless steel plug. The Cosmonauts had to take a pencil and you can't sell them for inflated prices.
Loved your military history videos and on military channel now called American heroes channel when they did an episode on Operation Barbarossa they stated that this airplane can out run a Bf-109E variant but not the Bf-109F variant which can catch up to the Pe-2
Small nifty commentary. Good point about the response of the Soviets during WW2. Yes, they are pondeerous, yes Stalin was an A-Hole, but Ivan in the turret was a good smart guy who worked really hard at his job.
i thought this was obvious the same design was used all over the soviet tree and was based on designs used in the interwar period. the thing reaks of the soviet war time economy thoug has they were the only ones using this design at the time as everyone else had moved on to powered turrets.
If you want a cleaner airframe to boost top speed by a bit and eke more range out, the answer was yes. (Even if it cost a bit in weight and system complexity.)
Americans joke about Germans always seeking the most over elaborate solution but they aren't immune themselves. See the famous space race pen problem. NASA spent millions developing a "pressure pen" that would force the ink out. The Soviets used... a pencil X-D
Fun little trivia, but people tend to not continue the story: then the russians realized that graphite powder in an oxygene-rich environment put in space - where combating flames is not most people's dream job - is rather flammable, so they also started using pens.
You see comrade, Rabbit ears you see on Peshka are just panels that absorb Russian bias through radio waves. From the ears the bias travels throughout the aircraft for maximum effect
Bismarck if you ever get a chance to come to the u.s. you should go to Virginia Beach Airport which is home to the world's largest collection of working World War II aircraft I had the privilege to go not too long ago in which I saw a P-40 the Y at 3 FW-190 D p51 mosquito La 5 and even a pby and they are all in flying condition.
Bismarck, got a couple questions for ya. First, why no face reveal? We want to see that glorious German face. Secondly, get the live streams going, would be nice to interact with you and possibly have your subscribers have a chance to team up with you in some games. Love ya!
i also wondered if the mechanism would have any directional issues for the pilot,apart from minimal drag,would the pilot experiance opposing flight control when the gunner turned,because this mechanism was also good for the pilot if the gunner died as the gun would self centre itself causing less drag and or flight issues.
Great video. Did earlier or later pe-2s have their cockpit antenna moved from the front to the back or the other way around during the war? I’ve seen pictures of them both ways.
At first I was concerned with my fellow Americans sticking their arms out the car window, but then remembered they would have to put down their phone. Yeah, they're still going to do it.
What's a bit surprising is that the "rabbit ears" move with the turret (as least as modelled in Il2). How can they actually block the air flow when the gunner is aiming on the sides?
That's a radio antenna. Most early war planes were using HF radios, which due to their long wavelength need a rather long antenna- this was most easily achieved by running a wire from a mast behind the cockpit to the top of the tail. Later on the HF radios were often replaced with VHF radios. These needed a much shorter antenna, so the wire was removed and the antenna was mounted somewhere else- often inside the mast that had previously supported the HF antenna, though some planes got a new 'whip' antenna under the wing or on the rear fuselage.
I am a complete noob in IL-2 BOS and I was always flying with simplified engine controls. Is there any tutorial for people like me who would like to get into more realistic flying? I for example do not have an idea how to use stabilizer or what to do with propeler angle etc. I was searching for a tutorial for this however I couln't find any... Do you have any tips?
Isn't "IVAN" pronounced "Ee - Vah n" Wouldn't there be a problem where the rotating ball part would want to rotate outwards and the gun wants to rotate inwards?
Pls, make a rise of flight custom controls tutorial. I have been playing sim in WT and I want to move to rise of flight but I do not have track IR. In WT, I customized the controls to take advantage of every head movements possible. I have spent a long time trying to do that in rise of flight but to no success.
People aleays look at russian military equipments and think they are quite primal. Well these rabbit ears may be quite a brutal solution, it works. And that's all that matters. The germam equipments are much bettet, but in war times, too complex.
Kind of except horizontal stabilizers because they use the drag from the air to counteract itself by negating its own force. Thus the only net force is the gunner moving the gun which is much easier.
hehe always wondered why they were there, now my question is: did anyone else use the same method to solve the problem or was this just exclusively designed by the USSR?
Depends on the turrets. Poweroperated turrets existed but sometimes you needed neither that nor this sort of thing. Very much depends how you set it up. I'd have to check if other planes had a similar configuration in it's turret as a 'propulsion system'.
Yeah it's interesting. Most bombers I can think of with turrets had powered traverse (American). A similar configuration as the Pe-2 can be found in the late version of the Do-217 (without ears), would need to know if that one had powered traverse or it was moved by gunner's muscle. Btw you can find these ears in other Soviet top turrets like in the IL-4 and Pe-8
literally as soon as you started talking about how the gun was getting wind resistance and showed the diagram with the turret turned I figured it out, gotta love simple yet effective designs
Bo's explanation: it has rabbit ears to attract the bf 109s into Ivan's range so he could shoot them because the bf 109s were focused on seeing a cute bunny.
Leave it to the russians to find the most direct and hands-on solution.
Although it reminds me a bit of the italians with their MC.202. They had issues with the huge torque of the DB601 engine. So instead of counteracting with trim tabs they just made one wing a bit longer to combat the rolling.
Yeah, that or the canted tail of other aircraft. The simple things are always best.
And induced themselves into lulzy spins 'cuz of it.
***** Oh, you need power to take off on your own, comrade? Vodka fuel-injections will make you so powerful, you can take off and fly like strangest helicopter ever!
you need troop chopper with firepower comrade? I cut hole in middle of chopper and put bench in it. mi 24 in a nutshell
Oh those spaghetti warriors
LOL: "The glorious Autobahn", "Ivan has to have some serious muscle" haha
Can confirm, swol af from turning that turret
thank you!
Same here :P
Hey! Also: You have more subs than Bismarck now?
*innocent whistle* dumdidu
"Glorious Autobahn" (Hears ambulance siren in the background)
Niles Yensel >>> I noticed that too!
Me three
He reminds everyone that if one drives too fast, the police are waiting.
@@mariogastelum1463 frei fart.. no speed limits on autobahn
That's not an ambulance, it's a German cop cruiser
Very interesting. In the US Army as a gunner in a Humvee without a powered turret and a MK-19 mounted, I found myself coming up with techniques to use the large ammunition can as a sail to ease the the struggle of rotating the turret while traveling in excess of 100kph down Iraqi highways. I can only imagine fighting 400kph winds while an aircraft is maneuvering!
tell that to the british, in Afghanistan my father rode with a British division, boy are they not civilized in combat. they did those speeds on a sidewalk in 6×6 mraps
@@ember_shep8181 In a war you don't play nice
the animated pilots really add to the immersion. I need to get this game! First to get a respectable PC
Now Easter makes sense, its not a bunny delivering chocolate eggs, its a Pe-2, that's how they do it, thanks Russia..
KnightTiger so they dive bomb delivering chocolate eggs?
An elegant answer to a problem I never even knew existed. Thanks.
It's so obvious...
..once someone tells you about it. :D
I've always wondered, and now that I know why I feel like I was an idiot for not seeing it before
Really nice vid! I hope you do more of this kind ^_^ Could even been a series: "Curiosities of aircraft design"
Hah, maybe. Title needs to be catchy tho.
Polite way of saying my title sucks ;_;
Just kidding :P although I know it isn't very good lol
I think Curiosities... is a good title
Quirks & features! ;-)
Instructions unclear, lost my arm in the Autobahn
You stille type pretty well with only one arm. 😁
Reminds me of an older joke about the Space Race; Americans at NASA spent 10 Million US dollars designing a pen that operated in microgravity conditions, years of time and effort expended... the Cosmonauts just used a pencil.
History Lesson With Bismarck.
Noice!
When I read that it was a solution to make the turret easier (DrZebra's simplistic answer), it didn't make sense. That would lend itself to the ear making it harder to turn farther, but easier to turn back into the backward position. The full explanation, that the gun makes it try to push back and the rabbit ears are counterbalances, is where it makes sense. Brilliant.
Reminds me of the adage about us pumping money into developing a pen that writes in space. When a Russian is asked how they write in space, a cosmonaut replied, "We use pencil." The story's false - the space pen was a private venture and sold to both programs for a few bucks each - but it is a good story about overthinking and plays on the general Russian mentality of simple yet reliable.
what they don't tell you is that using a pencil in a space station could make it explode.
This was actually a really cool little innovation! Iron cross for u sir bismark!
Very interesting. Would've never thought that to be a problem but it does make alot of sence now.
Thanks for the explanation! I didn't realise the turrets were not powered. I thought the ears were there just to look cute.....
I understood immediately when the graphic first moved the gun to the left. here I was thinking it was an antenna
For manually operated gun turrets only......got it.!
Very nice and informative vid....
So thats why rabbits have ears.
no, that's why comrade put bunny as peshka gunner
I LOVE your channel man, keep it up!
I always suspected that's what they were for but didn't understand how it worked.
thats a really cool idea, that also is the explaination i thought of when i first saw these fins in WT... good times back then, thanks for confirming my suspicion Bis
Aerodynamic balance, I believe the term is, when used on flight controls. The spitfire also has a similar feature on it's rudder. You can also have mass balance, which has a similar effect to having the air do the work to make it easier to move the controls.
Watching this before Easter Sunday
here, have a diamond cross!
also, you made me wonder if this is the case in the War Thunder models as well, about to check it out XD
is it?
the Pe-2-110 is the only one that has it
+Telsion ah, thanks!
Prototype Ultra you are obviously going to grind for that thing now right? :D
I wish xDDD Still going for the first firefly... Yeahh :D
Iron cross for you Bismarck! Great info!
I actually figured this was the case after thinking about it for about 10 seconds
Thats pretty awesome and it sums up Russia very well for me. There are a lot of ways to solve the issue, a hell of a lot of them would be better than the Russian method. But this was effective, cheap, reliable, and easy. Its genius comes in the fact that it wasn't perfect, but it was "good enough" and the rest of its design goes into making it simplistic and cheap to produce,
Yeah, it wasn't exactly new but them using such simple solutions consistently speaks volumes about their whole design philosophy
We call it "Smekalka" :D
Olivia Lambert
Russians make simple, cheap and sometimes clunky designs, but they WORK.
The German version of this would be delicate, superbly designed, insanely complicated, and would break the second time it was used.
Lol, then a German field mechanic would improvise a small widget that would solve the problem, but would later be reprimanded by his comanders because he let the aircraft leave the ground with sub-standard equipment on it.
@@michaelcoulter1114 Reminds me of the pen developed to allow Astronauts to write in space.
To avoid the problems of Melting plastic, Vacuum and Zero gravity they developed a metal pen. The ink was pressurised with nitrogen so it was forced down to the ball in front of a stainless steel plug.
The Cosmonauts had to take a pencil and you can't sell them for inflated prices.
Great explanation.
Thanks for posting.
As soon as you said it was to make the gun easier to handle and the drawing came up I went "oh! That's clever!" Before you explained it hahaha
Cool..Also one of my favorite soviet aircraft.....
i'd figured that's what they would be for. only watched to video because i'd get to listen to Bis's descirption
Ah, Russian tech solutions! Straightforward, cheap and low maintenance, and therefore all the more clever.
electric turrets: ...TRIGGERED
@@shaunaemery9618 Hehe... "triggered"
What a brilliant adaptation by some aeronautical engineer.
Loved your military history videos and on military channel now called American heroes channel when they did an episode on Operation Barbarossa they stated that this airplane can out run a Bf-109E variant but not the Bf-109F variant which can catch up to the Pe-2
Now that was educational, interesting invention as well!
Small nifty commentary. Good point about the response of the Soviets during WW2. Yes, they are pondeerous, yes Stalin was an A-Hole, but Ivan in the turret was a good smart guy who worked really hard at his job.
Huh. Wild. Always thought it was radar or radio
YES! MY GUESS WAS CORRECT
i thought this was obvious the same design was used all over the soviet tree and was based on designs used in the interwar period. the thing reaks of the soviet war time economy thoug has they were the only ones using this design at the time as everyone else had moved on to powered turrets.
When you take bunny ears to a whole new level...
And here I thought it was just an advancement of RABBIT TECHNOLOGY :(
American solution; electric turrets?
Soviet russia: naw, we put rabbit ears and real rabbits in our turrets
If you want a cleaner airframe to boost top speed by a bit and eke more range out, the answer was yes. (Even if it cost a bit in weight and system complexity.)
Americans joke about Germans always seeking the most over elaborate solution but they aren't immune themselves. See the famous space race pen problem. NASA spent millions developing a "pressure pen" that would force the ink out. The Soviets used... a pencil X-D
Fun little trivia, but people tend to not continue the story: then the russians realized that graphite powder in an oxygene-rich environment put in space - where combating flames is not most people's dream job - is rather flammable, so they also started using pens.
AkosJaccik "whaddya mean my drawing pencils are a safety risk! I paid good money for this moon cruise!"
Fascinating!! :)
Very cool!
That's brilliant.
Thanks for that bit of info Bis! o7
Interessante. Educativo. Grazie
You see comrade,
Rabbit ears you see on Peshka are just panels that absorb Russian bias through radio waves. From the ears the bias travels throughout the aircraft for maximum effect
Wow thats simple but genius
OoooHHh yeHAs AUTOBHAAANNN
I knew that makes perfect sense
Bismarck if you ever get a chance to come to the u.s. you should go to Virginia Beach Airport which is home to the world's largest collection of working World War II aircraft I had the privilege to go not too long ago in which I saw a P-40 the Y at 3 FW-190 D p51 mosquito La 5 and even a pby and they are all in flying condition.
(yak-3)
Awesome!
I imagined it would have been a powered turret?
that is so cool!
Ah-ha! I guessed correctly as to what they were.
Bismarck, got a couple questions for ya. First, why no face reveal? We want to see that glorious German face. Secondly, get the live streams going, would be nice to interact with you and possibly have your subscribers have a chance to team up with you in some games. Love ya!
^^ I second this
I wouldn't have thought that furry joke would be taken this far lmao xD But it makes sense, a lot of sense! Thank you bismark
If it serves an educational purpose, then why not ;)
Bismarck Ikr happy it did xD
i also wondered if the mechanism would have any directional issues for the pilot,apart from minimal drag,would the pilot experiance opposing flight control when the gunner turned,because this mechanism was also good for the pilot if the gunner died as the gun would self centre itself causing less drag and or flight issues.
THANK YOU!!!
great vid
Great video. Did earlier or later pe-2s have their cockpit antenna moved from the front to the back or the other way around during the war? I’ve seen pictures of them both ways.
This and other fine products from the Armstrong family of powered traverses brought to you by the M.A.N. design bureau.
At first I was concerned with my fellow Americans sticking their arms out the car window, but then remembered they would have to put down their phone. Yeah, they're still going to do it.
You do know that for a few month there was a definite increase in the number of accidents on the German Autobahn in the later half of 2016, right?
And i thought it was because of easter, like Easter bunny...
Ambulance going by at 1:40?
loliamapie lol
Funny it went by just as he was mentioning the "glorious Autobahn."
Suspicious of Bismark....
Cool!
You mention driving 180 KPH on the Autobahn, THEN there is a SIREN in the background.
*COINCIDENCE?!* 😊
HANS! THE CAR IST BROKEN, AGAIN!
So they weren't powered turrets then, they were just swing and push ring mounts?
His ur videos are great !!!!
They are basically machine gun trim tabs.
What's a bit surprising is that the "rabbit ears" move with the turret (as least as modelled in Il2). How can they actually block the air flow when the gunner is aiming on the sides?
Ferdinand Bardamu They don't. They simply balance the airfloe by inducing drag on the opposite side.
so why do WWII fighters have a wire going from the cockpit to the top of the tail? They have no gun turrets. The Me-109 is a good example.
That's a radio antenna. Most early war planes were using HF radios, which due to their long wavelength need a rather long antenna- this was most easily achieved by running a wire from a mast behind the cockpit to the top of the tail. Later on the HF radios were often replaced with VHF radios. These needed a much shorter antenna, so the wire was removed and the antenna was mounted somewhere else- often inside the mast that had previously supported the HF antenna, though some planes got a new 'whip' antenna under the wing or on the rear fuselage.
nerd1000ify thank you so much I have wondered for years what it was and never knew what to google thanks again 😊
nerd1000ify is the little L shaped spike under the wings of some planes?
its for the pilots to hang their washed dirty undies after a sortie
Russians did not invent it but adapted it. Look at boat rudders.. Many are balanced with an offset pivot axis to aid turning.
That's cool do you think you will play il2 1946 and do some of the cool modded planes
I often play it but mainly recreational away from the channel.
wow,that was interesting
I am a complete noob in IL-2 BOS and I was always flying with simplified engine controls. Is there any tutorial for people like me who would like to get into more realistic flying? I for example do not have an idea how to use stabilizer or what to do with propeler angle etc. I was searching for a tutorial for this however I couln't find any... Do you have any tips?
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it is not only peshka many other aircraft have it , if i am not mistaken IL-4 has it and also yer -2
Can you recommend a game World War II dog fighting with graphics like you have in this video?
That is IL2:Battle of Stalingrad
neat.
Is the fw190 cockpit finally correct?
Isn't "IVAN" pronounced "Ee - Vah n"
Wouldn't there be a problem where the rotating ball part would want to rotate outwards and the gun wants to rotate inwards?
Pls, make a rise of flight custom controls tutorial. I have been playing sim in WT and I want to move to rise of flight but I do not have track IR. In WT, I customized the controls to take advantage of every head movements possible. I have spent a long time trying to do that in rise of flight but to no success.
So therefore lateral gunners of the B 17 had to be all muscle men?
Ivan is stronk
lol theyre cute af
People aleays look at russian military equipments and think they are quite primal. Well these rabbit ears may be quite a brutal solution, it works. And that's all that matters. The germam equipments are much bettet, but in war times, too complex.
So they're basically vertical stabilizers?
Kind of except horizontal stabilizers because they use the drag from the air to counteract itself by negating its own force. Thus the only net force is the gunner moving the gun which is much easier.
cool
Why don't use hydraulic?
Mikhail Cheung That's an expensive solution. It's also heavier than the small fins.
because Soviet Russia
at 1:36 in the background its the police
Bismarck, do you, or, can you use SweetFX for War Thunder ?
Uninstalled it a year ago, so dunno
+Bismarck why did you uninstall it?
@Venzex because the Peshka ears weren't modelled properly in WT.
+Military History Visualized XDDDD
+Venzex because Gaijin are run by douche bags
Hast du deine PC-Specs irgendwo geposted?
You are Redbismark right
hehe always wondered why they were there, now my question is: did anyone else use the same method to solve the problem or was this just exclusively designed by the USSR?
Depends on the turrets. Poweroperated turrets existed but sometimes you needed neither that nor this sort of thing. Very much depends how you set it up. I'd have to check if other planes had a similar configuration in it's turret as a 'propulsion system'.
Bismarck hmm very interesting little work around for the turret nonetheless, thanks for the video :)
Yeah it's interesting. Most bombers I can think of with turrets had powered traverse (American). A similar configuration as the Pe-2 can be found in the late version of the Do-217 (without ears), would need to know if that one had powered traverse or it was moved by gunner's muscle. Btw you can find these ears in other Soviet top turrets like in the IL-4 and Pe-8