I never thought about BUYING firewood and splitting it. I always tried to figure where I could cut trees down myself. This would have been a great business to be in when I came home from the service in 1974...
Hi my name is Juan Santana and I'm the owner of J & D Tree Services and I love your video where you give clear and specific ideas of how to start selling wood bundles something that I've been thinking for a long time. Thank you for all the information I'm gonna follow all your tips. May God bless you and your family.
Best bundle video on UA-cam, hands down!! I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Thank you Joe for bringing a customer first attitude and business/sales experience. Yours is a model we should all aspire too.
Ok I was wandering about the place to find stretch wrap. It seems $15.⁰⁰ a roll. I like the idea of just having them bundled for grabbing them in a hurry to take in the house.
I am planning to start small scale firewood business on my own. Now 2 thing may seem strange to you. I live in the Philippines which is tropical country and no one uses wood here to heat anything else but food. But I do live 2h away from city with population of 2mln and I hope it will be my profit right there. I have already done it in Northern Europe. But since I'm here now.. Lets keep money rolling.
Why is it when I watch your videos I want to run out to cut and split firewood? And the phone rings somebody wanting a load and you get that money in your hands. Great motivation!
Really great episode Joe. Thanks for sharing some great tips and advice for folks. Very kind of you to offer out your experience to help others get ahead and do better. All the best of success to you!
My first twister I bought in 2007 and it's still a going but I have 6 of em all together now .. and yes we use the speed loaders and ya can really get out alot of bundles quick .. we are somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.8 million bundles this year so far.. still got a few weeks to go..
@@ohiowoodburner we do about half and half with twisters and the onion bags.. depends on who want it and how they want it.. hoping to go bigger next year I'm buying a shrink wrap tunnel to install over christmas..
I don't plan selling wood, or bundles, at least anytime soon but your video was very interesting. I learned a lot and I really appreciate the information. Thank you!
You can add a 'handle' to your bundle. Simply go one more wrap but bunch up the wrap to the middle at the top and let to go around the bundle until it reaches the 'handle.' Then you can put two pieces of packaging tape on each side of the handle to hold the loose end of the wrap. I think sticker is easier and better label... don't need to be that big. Just some thoughts.
Retailers (over here) have at least a 30% - 35% margin, so (over here, Again) they earn more per bundle than Joe, who does all the work… OK, they have the financing and inventory risk + overhead costs but with close to 0% intrest rates for the time being, a bundle sold on a road side stand delivers more per bundle when priced somewhat below what the retailers do ask for. Great video Joe, thanks for sharing your insights !
Just watched your video and have been thinking of doing bundled firewood and I think this spring in 2022 I will give it a go just small at 1st I do process about 50 tri axle loads of firewood per year its nice money for part time work bundles would make more profit now that I have retired from my job of 43 years. I do run a dyna SC-16 that I have had for the last 10 years was looking for processor when I ran across the dyna it was a repossession with 350 hours mads offer of 22000 thousand to the bank and they took it. It was 6 months old and new was 50000 thousand that was good luck for me it has been a back saver
Just have to say thank you for your advise and tips. Im just starting out just last month or so. I feel like i look at you as my mentor. Thanks you and ill take any tips. Like how you get the sponsors and equipment given to you? And getting the commercial clients? Well thanks you and hope all is well.
Steve the best advice is to make high quality bundles and start finding retailers that would be a good place to sell them. Get yourself a Twister and have your labels. It becomes easier after that!
Good video and information. Only just found this but I am going to start selling camp firewood this year and see how it goes. I can get 2 to 3x the money for the same firewood and the same work as I will with home heating firewood. I am also thinking that presentation is everything. I look around literally everywhere I go and most firewood bundles are sloppy and poorly presented. What do you think about putting together a nice display rack for retail businesses instead of having it tossed on the ground? I am considering making racks cause I have my own sawmill too.
Another great show Joe there is one question I have. Everyone says go to convenience stores campgrounds bait shops etc. Let them sell your bundle wood. What nobody answers is do those bait shops campgrounds stores charge you to sell.? Example if you sell a bundle for seven dollars do they keep two dollars of each. bundle.?
LOL every time I go to do a video you COVER what I am GOING to do Joe looool. All GOOD KEEP up the GOOD WORK BROTHER. Maybe I'll shoot my first video and COVER something different GOT a GOOD idea.have a WONDERFUL day sir and up comeing WEEK.
@@ohiowoodburner yes sir very TRUE HAVE a WONDERFUL WEEK BROTHER but the GOOD thing is the MACHINE I use NOBODY RILLY has videos out with it but the company that BUILD,s them. But soon I'll be runing a 22mb EASTON JUST HAVE NOT made my mind up yet 99% of my company is BUNDLES I don't do FIREWOOD. I do git FIREWOOD as a buy product from BUNDLE WOOD.
My labels are 3 x5 I get 10000 for 100 dollars make your labels smaller you can get handles for about 5 cents each and I by my crown staples from USA fasteners 50000 for 150 dollars are hot right now getting alot of orders for seasoned wood should sell 10000 this year
I had thought of smaller labels but I just like the way these look. I don't do big volume with them so I am comfortable with how the are now. I also don't do handles but think they look very nice. I just didn't want that extra step in the manufacturing process. Joe
That bundle looks way better than any in my area, all the bundles here look like garbage, wrapped loosely, falling apart, very inconsistent sizes and alot of twisted limb pieces. No tags either. Your making me think I could take over this area with some good looking bundles 🤔
LOL... I started with a small Chev Colorado for small deliveries but gave up on that. It could only haul one delivery at a time and didn't get any better fuel mileage than my F150
@@ohiowoodburner : Well West Coast wood is light and fluffy compaired to you guys in the Midwest and East Coast.. Plus this truck owes me 2k in work for an engine I just put in it. For being 30 years old (just like my F250) its not super nice but it is not beat to death..
Hi Scott. Most convenience stores works on a 40% mark up. You can google a retail markup calculator to do some scenarios. I find what a local store is selling theirs for and calculate back to what my cost would be. I go from there with negotiations.
Hi Joe! We are new to the bundled firewood game. A few retailers I’ve contacted are reluctant because they would most likely keep it outside and they are not a 24 hour business and are worried about theft. Are you mostly in 24 hr businesses?
One thing to consider... I have a stand at my house and still loose a couple. Wal-Mart has a system where the pay as the customer buys. Eliminating their labor and the supplier labor of checking in the product. So maybe if you accept the risk of your low cost product being stolen it will still pay off?
All my accounts keep the wood inside. The industry term used for losses to theft etc is "Shrink." If the area is prone to high shrink maybe that location wouldn't be a good fit bc they would want to sell them cheaper and therefore want to pay you less per unit? I was working on a deal for a gas station chain that wanted me to come up with a lockable bin but for that extra work and given the $$ he was wanting to pay me per bundle it wasn't worth my time. I went and found higher end retailers.
Hi Joe, Great video and I learned a lot. Just getting into wood bundling so your video was great!👍 Can you post at link to website for buying the UPC numbers? It appears there are some free UPC barcode generators but should we not use those? A little confused on this part of it yet. Thanks I’m advance!
Hi Tom. I've never heard of free UPC sites. Sounds flaky to me. The company I used sold to another so I don't have a service to recommend to you. Seems I would find the best deal. I paid aroud $10 for five codes
Received my twister about a month ago. It came with no instructions and a lot of misalignment of welded pieces. Also came not greased which gave off this awful screech. Lol. I've got it workable but still have to help the spinner to get going. I also think I'm putting too much wood in my bundles. Not sure what other people charge but I get $5/ bag. Get info Joe. Thank you.
Did you ever speak to the folks at the twister company for any technical support on the problems you had or maybe a replacement machine if it's defective? They charge good money for these products and it's a little concerning to hear about the problems you had.
@@ksw501 I did and they all they said was that they had trainees. Everything is fixable but I only bought this one because of Ohio Wood Burner great review. It happens. I know. Just stating my experience.
Good feedback Jim. I had a misalignment with mine that I was able to fix but it wasn't something that got me down on the machine. I have noticed they have improved in their front office and answer their phone, which is my key indicator for good service. Their new person, Candi, is very responsive and what made me comfortable with this recommendation.
Hi Joe, as usual great information. In speaking with a supplier of firewood bags, the cost of bags seems pretty significant in the total cost of the product vs. the cost of shrink wrap. Less upfront cost, but higher ongoing costs for using bags. The same supplier gave some advice it's best to try and sell direct, make more money that way. He said that if a bag of firewood sells at a store for $7.50 you'll get about $4.50 to $5.00 a bag. How has your experience been with direct sales? Higher profit, maybe lower volume? Can you give your thoughts on website design, cost, and ongoing maintenance and any ongoing monthly fees? Thanks for all your positive advice, it's very helpful to a budding firewood bundling entrepreneur - Will
Great video Joe, how do you handle pricing with a customer that has been buying from one of your retailers and then sees your label and wants to buy direct? Won't your retail clients get PO'ed?
Hi Joe for me being in South africa, I'm just thinking whats the US pricing on the twister. A lot of your equipment your using not available here in SA.
Joe, love your videos...regarding the twister, I see a manual as well as the electric model you are using. Do you recommend the extra investment for the electric model or would the manual model work just as well? Thanks for your time and assistance.
To each their own Dave but I think you go with the electric. I would think hand cranking would get old after a while. The Twister is a proven machine. Call them and ask for Candi. Tell her you saw it on OWB. Joe
Great video as I’m hoping to get into the bundle wood business when I retire , if I get to , maybe 2-3 years , I’m wondering, do you have a business license or would I have to get one to per-sue this venture ? Thankyou , I am a subscriber .
I am a registered business. I tell everyone to form a legit business bc it will separate you from all the other hacks in your area. If you are serious about bundles it helps to be a business bc potential accounts will be more comfortable buying from you.
What I have found is due to Honda utilizing no pay no penalty , and cutting people 3. Days per week over the summer(instead of them being able to use unemployment) there has been 1000% increase in people selling, producing firewood, bundles and small amount roadside stands. The people in this area are selling firewood bundles at $2.50 or less wholesale delivery, and running as hard as they can to make as little as they can.(badge of honor apparently,people brag how low they got their profit margin). The market is extremely diluted now because they were paid a part time wage at $20+ hr then had the time to produce. At the same time road side produce stands have jumped about 400% too. DJT covid policy really put the smack on self employed person's, and I thinks so intentionally.
Sounds great, but you gotta remember, other businesses have beancounters too. Other locations that buy wholesale take half of the retail for themselves. I'd love to live in the world that you do, but around here, it's just a fantasy. Everyone has a BIL, ne'r do well nephew, or other, that makes firewood. Running up SR83 to take a load to my client in Cleveland, almost every other house had a sign by the driveway, "Firewood for Sale". So the only 'hook' I had was delivery, and quantity. And bundle wood was a disaster! One campground wouldn't even discuss it. They bundled their own, so I offered them a 3 cord truckload for $375. They'd already said "No", said "no" again, and told me to leave their property. How absolutely unsuccessful can you be? Luckily, my Cleveland retailers were not so hard to deal with. Be careful with "Success is guaranteed if you want it". If every bit of profit goes to your daughter's school, what do you live on? I only ask out of poverty....uh....curiosity.
He said the money from the merch and i believe the channel pays for his daughter's college. Not his business. You have a really negative small mindset. Of course there's always limitations in business but if your biggest and first limitation is yourself, you're not going as far as you would have otherwise. There's plenty of limitations without you being one of them. You're going to hear no a lot of times before you get a yes.
Joe, with the camp grounds that you sell to, did they already have bundles for sale? All of my local camp grounds already sell bundles and was wondering how you would approach this situation
Hi Tyler. I don't sell to campgrounds. I don't see there being enough profit with them. Too much volume, too small $$. If you want to approach them ask them if they are happy with their current provider. I wouldn't expect to underbid them bc there prob isn't much of a markup to begin with. Notice if they complain that the guy is too unresponsive, won't answer his phone, etc. Win them over with service
Hi Tim. Since I posted it the site has become purchased by another company. I never had a relationship with them...they were just the site that I used. I would suspect most UPC sites are the same. Regardless this is an easy process to complete. Good luck
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I know you have a background in retail. How do you figure out what a retailer is paying their suppliers for the bundles. For example I see at the gas station they are selling bundled firewood at $7.49 each what are they actually paying the suppliers for that bundle? Thanks Joe for all your information.
Hi Dana... from my experience the retailers shoot for a 40% markup. I use a free app that has a mark up calculator on it. I find what a local store sells it for and do my calculation. that becomes my target price for that particular account.
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I never thought about BUYING firewood and splitting it. I always tried to figure where I could cut trees down myself. This would have been a great business to be in when I came home from the service in 1974...
Good video Joe thanks for the info!
You have a bar code even! Nice
Hi my name is Juan Santana and I'm the owner of J & D Tree Services and I love your video where you give clear and specific ideas of how to start selling wood bundles something that I've been thinking for a long time. Thank you for all the information I'm gonna follow all your tips. May God bless you and your family.
You start selling them?
You are very educational!
And pleasant to listen to.💯👍👍✌️
Thank You
For your experience,& knowledge
Thanks Jason for the nice comment.
Hello Sir - U did it...so did I. I just got my barcodes, and now I'm researching to get them into a EPS format for my label. THX
great video! i found this because my family and I are starting a bundle business in mn.
Great job thanks alot im just starting up nad this helps alot!!
Excellent video, the most information ever!
Very comprehensive information on how to do bundles. i have been thinkiing about doing this for a number of months now. Thanks from South Carolina
The "lawn mower- guy" tip was great. I left a flyer for my tree care business with my chainsaw guy and did get some business.
Good job Pat. A;ways looking for ways to increase presence!
Best bundle video on UA-cam, hands down!!
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Thank you Joe for bringing a customer first attitude and business/sales experience. Yours is a model we should all aspire too.
Thanks for the nice post! I really do think the bundle industry is wide open for the firewooders
Just got my Twister last month. Ordered both size and 4 trays. Can't wait to use it.
Let me know how it goes!
@@ohiowoodburner Thank you. I will do that.
Great advice! Thanks for sharing!
Ok I was wandering about the place to find stretch wrap. It seems $15.⁰⁰ a roll.
I like the idea of just having them bundled for grabbing them in a hurry to take in the house.
Thanks for info.Really great video.
I am planning to start small scale firewood business on my own. Now 2 thing may seem strange to you. I live in the Philippines which is tropical country and no one uses wood here to heat anything else but food. But I do live 2h away from city with population of 2mln and I hope it will be my profit right there. I have already done it in Northern Europe. But since I'm here now.. Lets keep money rolling.
I think you are on to something. I almost worked in the Philippines... Davao City
@@ohiowoodburner Davao City is exactly what I'm talking about.. Feel free to visit here and contact me.
Why is it when I watch your videos I want to run out to cut and split firewood? And the phone rings somebody wanting a load and you get that money in your hands. Great motivation!
Really great episode Joe. Thanks for sharing some great tips and advice for folks. Very kind of you to offer out your experience to help others get ahead and do better. All the best of success to you!
Thanks so much Gord. I hope you are doing well!
Fantastic video coupled with excellent advice. Thanks Joe!
Glad it was helpful Louis!
Thanks Joe, you are very helpful and answer a lot of questions without me having to ask them.
Awesome video man thank you🤙🇺🇸🙏
Joe’s “Everything about Bundles!” Great Educational Video! 🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
Thanks Larry. I will prob make a second vid bc there was a lot I had to edit out due to the vid becoming too long. LOL
I make bundles myself for fun and a little extra money. This is an excellent video Joe, very informative! Bundle maker approved.
Awesome! Thank you!
I just ordered a bundle machine will hopefully have next couple weeks you make some interesting points on doing things
Great video to to go with my first Sunday morning coffee.
Enjoy!
Awesome advice Thinking of doing firewood hustle but have back issues so long periods bent over results in back pain but thanks for the info
My first twister I bought in 2007 and it's still a going but I have 6 of em all together now .. and yes we use the speed loaders and ya can really get out alot of bundles quick .. we are somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.8 million bundles this year so far.. still got a few weeks to go..
Gee wizzz... that is a lot of bundles Jason! You make all of those with 6 twisters?
@@ohiowoodburner we do about half and half with twisters and the onion bags.. depends on who want it and how they want it.. hoping to go bigger next year I'm buying a shrink wrap tunnel to install over christmas..
Great tips on the bundle market. That twister is a handy machine. Fast and efficient!
im a sub because of these videos but you put out really good info i think you mean to help out the small business owners keep doing it your way
Very good informative video! Thanks!
Great video !! One of the most informative videos on bundles I’ve seen, thanks for the info
I don't plan selling wood, or bundles, at least anytime soon but your video was very interesting. I learned a lot and I really appreciate the information. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Joe hi, you're doing well, the client will be satisfied 😁👍
Спасибо, Виктор. Надеюсь, вы здоровы и счастливы!
Awesome video!!!
Thanks for the visit Minto!
Great informative video Joe. Your willingness to share your personal experiences and knowledge will guide others who may be just starting dabble
…(oops, pressed wrong again!) others who are contemplating dabbling in the bundled wood industry. Another interesting video Joe, thanks.
Thanks Elaine. I hope it does. All most of us need is a little encouragement. Joe
just another comment for support!
Great info Joe. Looks like you are having some nice weather.
Not lately LOL. All rain.!
Thanks you are my man thats a good video thanks for posting ❤ 😊!!++
U had such a good opportunity there for a great end punch line especially with what u were doing?? Great video
That's a wrap folks!😂👍🏴
Dang!! I could have used that!
@@ohiowoodburner yea would been good one.
Congrats OWB, you're growing subscribers quickly! 👍
Thanks Mike!
Beautiful looking bundles joe, great video!
Thanks a bunch Sam!
How should I go about finding a vendor when all of the gas stations, hardware stores etc... Already have suppliers.
You can add a 'handle' to your bundle. Simply go one more wrap but bunch up the wrap to the middle at the top and let to go around the bundle until it reaches the 'handle.' Then you can put two pieces of packaging tape on each side of the handle to hold the loose end of the wrap. I think sticker is easier and better label... don't need to be that big. Just some thoughts.
Very helpful video Joe you gave us all the information we need to get started
Glad it was helpful Mike. Get it started today!
Joe makes a Bundle💰with bundles!🪵
I wish! But I think I'm getting there.
Retailers (over here) have at least a 30% - 35% margin, so (over here, Again) they earn more per bundle than Joe, who does all the work… OK, they have the financing and inventory risk + overhead costs but with close to 0% intrest rates for the time being, a bundle sold on a road side stand delivers more per bundle when priced somewhat below what the retailers do ask for. Great video Joe, thanks for sharing your insights !
Thanks for watching from Belgium! thanks for your comment
Just watched your video and have been thinking of doing bundled firewood and I think this spring in 2022 I will give it a go just small at 1st I do process about 50 tri axle loads of firewood per year its nice money for part time work bundles would make more profit now that I have retired from my job of 43 years. I do run a dyna SC-16 that I have had for the last 10 years was looking for processor when I ran across the dyna it was a repossession with 350 hours mads offer of 22000 thousand to the bank and they took it. It was 6 months old and new was 50000 thousand that was good luck for me it has been a back saver
Her speed loader really helps her bang some wood.....
Honest explanation. Thank you
Sure thing! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Just have to say thank you for your advise and tips. Im just starting out just last month or so. I feel like i look at you as my mentor. Thanks you and ill take any tips. Like how you get the sponsors and equipment given to you? And getting the commercial clients? Well thanks you and hope all is well.
Steve the best advice is to make high quality bundles and start finding retailers that would be a good place to sell them. Get yourself a Twister and have your labels. It becomes easier after that!
Good video and information. Only just found this but I am going to start selling camp firewood this year and see how it goes. I can get 2 to 3x the money for the same firewood and the same work as I will with home heating firewood. I am also thinking that presentation is everything. I look around literally everywhere I go and most firewood bundles are sloppy and poorly presented.
What do you think about putting together a nice display rack for retail businesses instead of having it tossed on the ground? I am considering making racks cause I have my own sawmill too.
Joe, great video. You really shared a lot of detail for viewers considering selling bundled firewood.
Thanks so much Glenn. How are you doing? I hope you are feeling well.
Another great show Joe there is one question I have. Everyone says go to convenience stores campgrounds bait shops etc. Let them sell your bundle wood. What nobody answers is do those bait shops campgrounds stores charge you to sell.? Example if you sell a bundle for seven dollars do they keep two dollars of each. bundle.?
The retailer buys the bundles from me for a flat rate. They can sell them for whatever they wish.
Great way to make single units of firewood for sale in the bag/ bundle world
I think this is a wide open market Anthony!
All great info Joe. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
LOL every time I go to do a video you COVER what I am GOING to do Joe looool. All GOOD KEEP up the GOOD WORK BROTHER. Maybe I'll shoot my first video and COVER something different GOT a GOOD idea.have a WONDERFUL day sir and up comeing WEEK.
LOL... I think with firewood the same goes with videos. Just get one started and see where it goes Joe!
@@ohiowoodburner yes sir very TRUE HAVE a WONDERFUL WEEK BROTHER but the GOOD thing is the MACHINE I use NOBODY RILLY has videos out with it but the company that BUILD,s them. But soon I'll be runing a 22mb EASTON JUST HAVE NOT made my mind up yet 99% of my company is BUNDLES I don't do FIREWOOD. I do git FIREWOOD as a buy product from BUNDLE WOOD.
Great video Joe and thank you for the links to your contacts I will be using them in the future thanks again Jeff
No problem 👍
Hey, Joe I just would like to thank you for great video's, I was looking for a side hustle, well looking no more just ordered a Twister...
That is great to hear Kevin!! Curious...where do you live?
@@ohiowoodburner I'm in Turner, Oregon just south of Salem...
Thanks for the information may just look into this
I hope you do Mark. It can be profitable.
Great video, lots of great info
Thanks. Take care
Thanks Larry!
My labels are 3 x5 I get 10000 for 100 dollars make your labels smaller you can get handles for about 5 cents each and I by my crown staples from USA fasteners 50000 for 150 dollars are hot right now getting alot of orders for seasoned wood should sell 10000 this year
I had thought of smaller labels but I just like the way these look. I don't do big volume with them so I am comfortable with how the are now. I also don't do handles but think they look very nice. I just didn't want that extra step in the manufacturing process. Joe
That bundle looks way better than any in my area, all the bundles here look like garbage, wrapped loosely, falling apart, very inconsistent sizes and alot of twisted limb pieces. No tags either. Your making me think I could take over this area with some good looking bundles 🤔
I think if you have noticed it you can make it work! Get it going!
Great video Joe! I’m trying to order stretch wrap at the link you provided. Do you have a discount code?
Ok ok..,I will tinker with selling smaller loads this year.. It will give my 90s Mazda pickup something to do anyway..😜👍
LOL... I started with a small Chev Colorado for small deliveries but gave up on that. It could only haul one delivery at a time and didn't get any better fuel mileage than my F150
@@ohiowoodburner : Well West Coast wood is light and fluffy compaired to you guys in the Midwest and East Coast..
Plus this truck owes me 2k in work for an engine I just put in it.
For being 30 years old (just like my F250) its not super nice but it is not beat to death..
New subscriber! Excited to see more videos! 💙
Great to have you on board Angela! We post every Wednesday and Sunday! Joe
@@ohiowoodburner Awesome! I'll set a notification bell! 💙
Joe, if you sell to a convenience store what should the price be to them?? In your experience how much do they want for the pass thru sale?? Thanks
Hi Scott. Most convenience stores works on a 40% mark up. You can google a retail markup calculator to do some scenarios. I find what a local store is selling theirs for and calculate back to what my cost would be. I go from there with negotiations.
I noticed you log pieces do not have bark on them. Do you remove the bark? Is it necessary to remove the bark?
Hi Joe! We are new to the bundled firewood game. A few retailers I’ve contacted are reluctant because they would most likely keep it outside and they are not a 24 hour business and are worried about theft. Are you mostly in 24 hr businesses?
One thing to consider... I have a stand at my house and still loose a couple. Wal-Mart has a system where the pay as the customer buys. Eliminating their labor and the supplier labor of checking in the product. So maybe if you accept the risk of your low cost product being stolen it will still pay off?
All my accounts keep the wood inside. The industry term used for losses to theft etc is "Shrink." If the area is prone to high shrink maybe that location wouldn't be a good fit bc they would want to sell them cheaper and therefore want to pay you less per unit? I was working on a deal for a gas station chain that wanted me to come up with a lockable bin but for that extra work and given the $$ he was wanting to pay me per bundle it wasn't worth my time. I went and found higher end retailers.
@@ohiowoodburner they do make firewood vending machines...
But like most things they are not cheap....but would be completely self serve and secure
Good morning from Grand Forks
Good morning!
You betcha!
Hi Joe,
Great video and I learned a lot. Just getting into wood bundling so your video was great!👍
Can you post at link to website for buying the UPC numbers? It appears there are some free UPC barcode generators but should we not use those? A little confused on this part of it yet. Thanks I’m advance!
Hi Tom. I've never heard of free UPC sites. Sounds flaky to me. The company I used sold to another so I don't have a service to recommend to you. Seems I would find the best deal. I paid aroud $10 for five codes
Received my twister about a month ago. It came with no instructions and a lot of misalignment of welded pieces. Also came not greased which gave off this awful screech. Lol. I've got it workable but still have to help the spinner to get going. I also think I'm putting too much wood in my bundles. Not sure what other people charge but I get $5/ bag. Get info Joe. Thank you.
Did you ever speak to the folks at the twister company for any technical support on the problems you had or maybe a replacement machine if it's defective? They charge good money for these products and it's a little concerning to hear about the problems you had.
@@ksw501 I did and they all they said was that they had trainees. Everything is fixable but I only bought this one because of Ohio Wood Burner great review. It happens. I know. Just stating my experience.
@@brikkijim thanks for sharing your experience-Will
Good feedback Jim. I had a misalignment with mine that I was able to fix but it wasn't something that got me down on the machine. I have noticed they have improved in their front office and answer their phone, which is my key indicator for good service. Their new person, Candi, is very responsive and what made me comfortable with this recommendation.
Hi Joe, as usual great information. In speaking with a supplier of firewood bags, the cost of bags seems pretty significant in the total cost of the product vs. the cost of shrink wrap. Less upfront cost, but higher ongoing costs for using bags. The same supplier gave some advice it's best to try and sell direct, make more money that way. He said that if a bag of firewood sells at a store for $7.50 you'll get about $4.50 to $5.00 a bag. How has your experience been with direct sales? Higher profit, maybe lower volume? Can you give your thoughts on website design, cost, and ongoing maintenance and any ongoing monthly fees? Thanks for all your positive advice, it's very helpful to a budding firewood bundling entrepreneur - Will
I do both. I don't really chase that market but I do deliver bundles directly to customers and I shoot for $10 a bundle.
Great video Joe, how do you handle pricing with a customer that has been buying from one of your retailers and then sees your label and wants to buy direct? Won't your retail clients get PO'ed?
I use bags but I’m thinking of going to wrap. Bags are like $75. So takes me over 15 bags to make my $$ back.
Value added... lol
Hi Joe
for me being in South africa, I'm just thinking whats the US pricing on the twister.
A lot of your equipment your using not available here in SA.
In the US a Twister costs around $2000. They have different models but I think that is a good estimate for your research.
What is a wholesale price for a bundle in the 🇺🇸
how quickly can you change the saw chains, how long do the chains last between changes. ( need sharpened?)
Joe, love your videos...regarding the twister, I see a manual as well as the electric model you are using. Do you recommend the extra investment for the electric model or would the manual model work just as well? Thanks for your time and assistance.
To each their own Dave but I think you go with the electric. I would think hand cranking would get old after a while. The Twister is a proven machine. Call them and ask for Candi. Tell her you saw it on OWB. Joe
Here in southern Ontario we get $340-350 a cord of wood but pay more for everything else lol
That is pricey for commodity type firewood for sure!
@@ohiowoodburner you bet but single log trucks are $1300 doubles truck/pup $2600 so that’s why
If you sell barkless heartwood bundles won't the bulk wood customer have more soft outer pieces with bark like Stanwood?
Great video as I’m hoping to get into the bundle wood business when I retire , if I get to , maybe 2-3 years , I’m wondering, do you have a business license or would I have to get one to per-sue this venture ? Thankyou , I am a subscriber .
I am a registered business. I tell everyone to form a legit business bc it will separate you from all the other hacks in your area. If you are serious about bundles it helps to be a business bc potential accounts will be more comfortable buying from you.
I like. But seems to be missing a nice integrated stretch wrap cutter system. Or just a knife I guess…lol
I tried a knife etc before but just found the karate chop is best and faster.
What I have found is due to Honda utilizing no pay no penalty , and cutting people 3. Days per week over the summer(instead of them being able to use unemployment) there has been 1000% increase in people selling, producing firewood, bundles and small amount roadside stands. The people in this area are selling firewood bundles at $2.50 or less wholesale delivery, and running as hard as they can to make as little as they can.(badge of honor apparently,people brag how low they got their profit margin). The market is extremely diluted now because they were paid a part time wage at $20+ hr then had the time to produce. At the same time road side produce stands have jumped about 400% too. DJT covid policy really put the smack on self employed person's, and I thinks so intentionally.
Sounds great, but you gotta remember, other businesses have beancounters too. Other locations that buy wholesale take half of the retail for themselves. I'd love to live in the world that you do, but around here, it's just a fantasy. Everyone has a BIL, ne'r do well nephew, or other, that makes firewood. Running up SR83 to take a load to my client in Cleveland, almost every other house had a sign by the driveway, "Firewood for Sale". So the only 'hook' I had was delivery, and quantity. And bundle wood was a disaster! One campground wouldn't even discuss it. They bundled their own, so I offered them a 3 cord truckload for $375. They'd already said "No", said "no" again, and told me to leave their property. How absolutely unsuccessful can you be? Luckily, my Cleveland retailers were not so hard to deal with. Be careful with "Success is guaranteed if you want it".
If every bit of profit goes to your daughter's school, what do you live on? I only ask out of poverty....uh....curiosity.
He said the money from the merch and i believe the channel pays for his daughter's college. Not his business. You have a really negative small mindset. Of course there's always limitations in business but if your biggest and first limitation is yourself, you're not going as far as you would have otherwise. There's plenty of limitations without you being one of them. You're going to hear no a lot of times before you get a yes.
Stick a stick of gold between the bundles.
One cubic foot is 12x12x12, your wood is 16 inches long ?
Yeah, close enough
Got to start with hand held bundler or bags, till I can save my pennies
I think that is a reasonable way to begin. If you put all your money back into your enterprise you can be in a wrapping machine quick
@@ohiowoodburner Thats the plan!! Only way to grow a business is to reinvest in it!!
Joe, with the camp grounds that you sell to, did they already have bundles for sale? All of my local camp grounds already sell bundles and was wondering how you would approach this situation
Hi Tyler. I don't sell to campgrounds. I don't see there being enough profit with them. Too much volume, too small $$. If you want to approach them ask them if they are happy with their current provider. I wouldn't expect to underbid them bc there prob isn't much of a markup to begin with. Notice if they complain that the guy is too unresponsive, won't answer his phone, etc. Win them over with service
@@ohiowoodburner thanks Joe!
When you sell to stores and campgrounds, do you sell at your standard price or do they expect a discount? If so how much?
I sell my price. I don't do discounts.
Thanks for the quick reply@@ohiowoodburner
I don’t see the link in the description to get UPC codes. Thanks, Tim
Hi Tim. Since I posted it the site has become purchased by another company. I never had a relationship with them...they were just the site that I used. I would suspect most UPC sites are the same. Regardless this is an easy process to complete. Good luck
@@ohiowoodburner what was the name of the company when you purchased yours? Do you know the name that it currently operates under? Thanks, Tim
I think People from Ohio are focused on 'Selling Smoke', but it is not Wood they are Selling...
Good morning!!! What site did you use to get an official UPC code
Hey stranger! The site I used is out of business. I think if you google for any they are all the same. It is easy, cheap.
i need to buy all the cords of perfect bundle grade firewood for $150 a cord i can get my hands on
What model is your Twister?
I looked at there website but they have like 5 models. Please let me know Thanks
Enjoy your channel
Hi tina. Mine is the standard speed quick load. Very nice machine.
Where do you get the roll wrap from?
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I know you have a background in retail. How do you figure out what a retailer is paying their suppliers for the bundles. For example I see at the gas station they are selling bundled firewood at $7.49 each what are they actually paying the suppliers for that bundle? Thanks Joe for all your information.
Hi Dana... from my experience the retailers shoot for a 40% markup. I use a free app that has a mark up calculator on it. I find what a local store sells it for and do my calculation. that becomes my target price for that particular account.
@@ohiowoodburner Would you mind sharing the name of the App? Thanks, Tim
@@ohiowoodburner thanks Joe
@@CliffsideStables It is called Gross Profit Calculator. It has a green and white icon
Does it come with 4 rolls per order or is is 1 roll? Picture shows 4 rolls but it says 4 rolls = one case.
I always buy a case which comes with four rolls. I'm not sure if you can buy single rolls.