I find Scriabin's later music more "musical" than Schoenberg. I know both were highly intellectual and advanced their music using their intellects - but I feel that Scriabin allied his musical intellect to a more musical "aesthetic instinct". With Scriabin - beauty is never far away, even at his most dissonant. Schoenberg is wonderful at times, especially the 2nd Quartet and early music like Verklärte Nacht - but I find that the aesthetic instincts of him and his pupils just didn't prize beauty and aesthetic resonance the way Scriabin did. Just letting a late Scriabin chord resonate and ring in the air - there is beauty, compare it with some of Schoenberg's harmonies - they are interesting and sinewy but just don't resonate with as much beauty. Within Scriabin - the stars are always singing!
@@jaybeardmusic8074 I admire Schoenberg but I find it unfortunate that his influence and fame is wider than Scriabin's. The "Post-Scriabinists" were taking music in fascinating directions, composers like Leonid Sabanayev and Samuil Feinberg. It's a shame that this movement was overshadowed by other movements going on at the same time.
Scriabin was focused on expressing abstract emotions and ideas with his music, so he ended up developing a more abstract musical language in response to his need to express himself philosophically, emotionally, and spiritually. Schoenberg's motivations were different, his goal wasn't to express something, but rather he just wanted a different way of organizing pitches. Of course he would later use that system to express scenery, and other things, especially with works like Pierrot Lunaire. But his primary motivation in developing "atonality" wasn't to express emotions like Scriabin. I wonder what music would sound like if the dominant musical culture of western music went down the route of Scriabin, Roslavets, Obukhov etc, instead of the Anton Webern route.
Mmm interesting to think of Scriabin’s novel harmony coming from him philosophy/mysticism! I really wish composer’s had followed Scriabin’s footsteps! Schoenberg and all them give atonality a bad name, while Scriabin’s novel harmony is 🤩🤯👻😱🙌
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I find Scriabin's later music more "musical" than Schoenberg. I know both were highly intellectual and advanced their music using their intellects - but I feel that Scriabin allied his musical intellect to a more musical "aesthetic instinct". With Scriabin - beauty is never far away, even at his most dissonant. Schoenberg is wonderful at times, especially the 2nd Quartet and early music like Verklärte Nacht - but I find that the aesthetic instincts of him and his pupils just didn't prize beauty and aesthetic resonance the way Scriabin did.
Just letting a late Scriabin chord resonate and ring in the air - there is beauty, compare it with some of Schoenberg's harmonies - they are interesting and sinewy but just don't resonate with as much beauty.
Within Scriabin - the stars are always singing!
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Early Schoenberg is best! Haha I love Gurre-Lider Prelude.
@@jaybeardmusic8074 I admire Schoenberg but I find it unfortunate that his influence and fame is wider than Scriabin's.
The "Post-Scriabinists" were taking music in fascinating directions, composers like Leonid Sabanayev and Samuil Feinberg. It's a shame that this movement was overshadowed by other movements going on at the same time.
Scriabin was focused on expressing abstract emotions and ideas with his music, so he ended up developing a more abstract musical language in response to his need to express himself philosophically, emotionally, and spiritually. Schoenberg's motivations were different, his goal wasn't to express something, but rather he just wanted a different way of organizing pitches. Of course he would later use that system to express scenery, and other things, especially with works like Pierrot Lunaire. But his primary motivation in developing "atonality" wasn't to express emotions like Scriabin.
I wonder what music would sound like if the dominant musical culture of western music went down the route of Scriabin, Roslavets, Obukhov etc, instead of the Anton Webern route.
Mmm interesting to think of Scriabin’s novel harmony coming from him philosophy/mysticism!
I really wish composer’s had followed Scriabin’s footsteps! Schoenberg and all them give atonality a bad name, while Scriabin’s novel harmony is 🤩🤯👻😱🙌