I love these uploads. Love the history of the areas you touch on also. (I like reading about old legends, monsters, and myths of places). You are what the History Channel should have been. Keep up the good work. 10/10 production and quality.
We all know that the Pass victims were from the future and found a secret time machine in a secret base and the Soviets didn't know who they were and covered it up to cover up the time machine they were working on at the time. Cool story.
as a russian-speaking person i’ve seen a LOT of stuff on Dyatlov’s Pass topic but you might be the first one to mention more specific details on Zolotaryov background. For example the difference in his salary is definitely interesting. Even though i don’t think that the soviets would hire someone with such “unreliable” background for some sort of secret mission, but it’s still something to think about. (unrelated, but my personal go to theory for the explanation is that the entire incident is a military cover-up of some sort. there is a very interesting documentary on this by a russian youtuber «Дима Масленников» (idk maybe there are english subtitles on his video), where he personally travelled to the Dyatlov Pass, examined the original diaries and police files in person and many other things. (also i’d be glad to help with the russian-english translation if you’ll ever need one) and as always thank you for the great video😌
Army/police/state cover-up after the fact is possible, very easy and common, even a routine procedure in that era. Hell, we still dont know what exactly went down with the Kursk submarine incident, that was only 20 years ago. But as for the death of the expedition, I dont see any evidence of military activity. That would have required a lot of soldiers who would have left marks in the snow. And that's not how soldiers would kill such a group, modus operandi wise. Would have been way easier for them to make them disappear entirely: "trekkers disappear in the winter wilderness never to be found", end of the story. Instead of creating a decades long mystery. And authorities would never have allowed an independent volonteer search party to reach the site first, if they were responsible in any way for example. If there were criminal acts here, I would suspect the natives, the ones the group reported chanting "anti revolutionary songs", the closest to the scene, the last persons to have seen them alive. And the super messy crime scene if we consider this hypothesis, tend to pair better with drunken natives using blades, clubs and rocks, than professional armed killers, ie soldiers or some state agent who would have eliminated the group in minutes, in their tent for example instead of night long ordeal with separate groups dying scattered all over the place from different causes.
@@MrPloopinuke subs don't communicate with command very often, US sub commanders receive orders of up to a month and are responsible for up to three months during war. It's by their nature that it's hard to figure out exactly what happened on nuke subs but I thought it was pretty certain that it was gas buildup from torpedo propellent mixing with sea brine??
Also any combat veteran of the eastern front is going to have a serious case of PTSD and no one had any treatment beyond man up and alcohol. Even worse in the USSR.
That reminds me of something. I live in the dallas-fort-worth-tx area, and not too far from here, there was a fatal animal attack in the last couple of years. The victim was a full-grown adult man who was supposedly killed by a cougar, but from what I've heard, there are issues with that. Might be an interesting case for the Aidans, not a well-known case.
@@michaelaustin310 interesting, hope Aidan sees your comment, the mountain Lion I mentioned before supposedly attacked a horse but can I find anything about it? Of course this was before social media
@@michaelaustin310 there is some weird stuff in Texas. I've personally had a strange encounter with what seemed like a flying humanoid. East of Seguine, TX. That encounter has made it practically impossible for me to go camping again in South Texas. Anything South, past the Caprock in West Texas camping wise is a no go for me. No thank you.
I actually enjoyed that comedy bit about Yuri. Your video/editor friend you work with is becoming far more relaxed on camera. Love the content. Fan for a while now.
Perhaps seeing as this was the USSR, Zolotaryov could have been the government representative to make sure that the group did what they said they were going to do and not do non-state approved shenanigans. The reason he would have his camera on him late at night is because film base will freeze and the sprocket holes will strip. I had an assignment to take Christmas photos of a 1800s mansion in Ypsilanti, Michigan in winter. I had the camera on the tripod between shots and (of course) the film froze so I couldn't even rewind the film and had to bag it so I could reload.
I did a lot of high altitude mountaineering with film, and later digital, cameras. My camera was always in the sleeping bag, inside a waterproof bag, with me.
This makes so much sense, I’m surprised this is the first video I’ve seen bring this up. Could also be that this is just a whole jumble of confusing mess 😭
At least one of them would have been a party plant or commissar like figure The Soviets did that all the time, embedded politburo spies in every organization, group They had them on their warships and in the military to Secretly reporting everything to the state.
So, the infamous Frame 34. Here's what that is: an exposure was made while the lens was collapsed. I had to look up what camera and lens was used to be sure of it. The Industar lens used at that time was "collapsible" that is, it could be pushed down, and into the camera body to make it smaller when not in use. Of course when this is done, you cannot take an in-focus picture, because the lens is too near the film. That's why nothing on Frame 34 is in focus. Additionally, you can see the vignetting caused by the lens being collapsed, the image area is rounded because the lens cannot cover (project) the full frame when in its collapsed position. The shape of the aperture is also visible. The Industar lens has eight aperture blades, which created the octagonal shape in the center of that frame. As for who pressed the button, and when? No way of knowing, but whoever it was they were either unintentionally doing it, or in any event had not planned to take a picture, as the lens had not been pulled out.
Could he have taken the camera instead of grabbing his torch. If you are in a hurry and don’t have time to look. Did the camera have a flash that could be used as a light so the photos aren’t important in anyway.
@@akelly4207 The cameras they had were not capable of firing a flash (which would have been a separate attachment, and used flashbulbs). So no, not useful as a light source. Also all the cameras were left behind in the tent except for one (which wasn't the one with the mystery frame 34).
That was definitely some form of nerve gas or chemical weapon Most likely left over from use and testing that had either infused into the earth around them or the vegetation they consumed like mushrooms
I've camped on the Pitchstone Plateau in Yellowstone, at -60 F. I am trying to imagine a circumstance that would compel me to leave my tent in my underwear. I'm here to tell you that, if you meet somebody out in the middle of nowhere in that kind of cold, you're not thinking about viol*nce. The cold is the en*my, not other people.
@kristimcgowandarkoscellard3126 nah, the snow slab collapse theory is one that may explain why they cut themselves out of their tent and rushed to the tree line. I presume the ones who were found without clothes might be because the little clothing they have had gotten wet during the incident, and they removed it while around the fire in an attempt to get dry and warm.
I recently watched "The Red Thread" episode about this in addition to your previous videos. After seeing a diagram of the bodies in the gulch, my strongest theory is the shelter was on snow or ice probably, so instead of a 6 foot drop onto rocks imagine a 9-12+ foot drop onto jagged rocks, while already being pretty beaten and cold. Then the last guy comes up on the scene, everyone else is dead or dying. He's already freezing to death so grabs his friend for any bit of warmth he can get and gives up.
This was my thought too. The scene when they found them could have been very different than the scene when the incident happened. Wasn't it months later?
Been binge watching your videos for 3 days now. My dog got hit in front of me tuesday morning and I sprained my knee when carrying him so i've been doing alot of nothing which is driving me insane. Your videos have helped alot, from humor to realism that helped me kinda realize life goes on without Pete, bear chaser and expert on raccoon/squirrel warfare. For an Appalachian Mountain Feist, he was absolutely fearless. Don't think i'll ever have or see another dog like him lol.
I am so sorry for your loss!!! Suddenly losing your best friend like that can be a terrible shock and very painful. I had to put my Pharaoh hound (Karma) down a few months ago due to a sudden horrible illness and she was only 9. She was a very special creature and I miss her terribly!! I also don’t believe I’ll find another dog like her. Just know you are not alone and give yourself the time to grieve. You will never replace the best friend you lost, but in time that terrible pain will lessen and maybe you might find a new friend that you can love too.
I’m so sorry about your dog, pets are the best ever. If you’ve got a lot of down time I highly recommend Wendigoon, Nexpo, and The Casual Criminalist if you like this type of content. Even though some of it is kinda dark it’s good and distracting. I wish you the best in your recovery
I've watched a video on a Polish channel a while ago and they have talked a lot about the work that some of those hikers were doing in the field of nuclear science. Apparently, they could have been in possession of classified info on ongoing nuclear projects. Since they were very young and intelligent but struggling financially and just starting their careers, they could have been suspected of spying. There is a theory that they were supposed to meet someone on that hike in a remote location to pass the info. Maybe it's worth looking into... Great video! It's so interesting that after all of those years following this case, I still see new theories and facts being discussed. 🙌
YES I read this theory in a really good book about the Dpi called "Death or nine The Dyatlov Pass mystery' by Launton Anderson and the author really deep dived into everything, debunked several popular theories and in the end provided a lot of evidence for it being murder, very convincingly too! If you haven't already, you should check it out, can not suggest it enough!
im so facinated by Dyatlov's Pass, ever since i heard about it i've been enthralled. there's even a game loosely based around it called Kholat. But it's very interesting to hear things i've never known about in all my years of hyperfixating on this story. keep up the good work!
It’s ok. But they need to use that very sparingly because many people come here for the history and theories. Put too much comedy in and they lose their historical context. And it’ll become like the Why Files with the silly fish
When Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812, it was the Patriotic War; when Angry Lesser Moustache invaded Russia, it was the Great Patriotic War because it was bigger. It's a creative interpretation of "the defensive war" or "the war on our own territory".
I find the whole jab at the "patriotic war" here weird. Sure, the invasion on Poland wasn't a nice thing to do, but at 1941, when he conscripted, they were defending against Germany under the mustache man. What else he was supposed to do? Cross his arms and be a redditor - "i guess since Russia started the war against Poland i now deserve do have my property and life claimed by the moustache man" ? How is defending his country not patriotic.
Yea also while Poland was a victim Finland definitely had it coming. It's often overlooked because they were the defenders but they were pro Nazis and Stalin believed they'd act as a base for a future nazi invasion which they did
@GothPaoki Woah woah woah OK, as a Finn who lost grandfather, granduncle, and uncle in that war, gotta take exception to that. Finland was rife with Russophobia before the war and was stupid to take the Nazi side (esp when they were actually refusing to help in the winter war!) But even if Finland would obviously have been better off just conceding the soviet border changes in '39, you can harldy expect a country to just surrender territory so easily. It doesn't make the USSR invasion their fault, that was just geopolitics.
@@sohlasattelite971Yeah the invasion of Poland was aggression by the USSR but we gotta remember that in the pre-UN era it was all ordinary geopolitics. Just like the English and French colluded with the German invasion of Czechoslovakia. The USSR was convinced (with pretty good reason) that the English and French were trying to assist a Nazi invasion of the USSR, they wouldn't actually honour their pact to defend Poland, and they'd let Germany take it all to make a future Nazi invasion of the USSR more likely. The Molotov-Ribbentropp pact and the soviet invasions it triggered were an attempt by the USSR to get as strong a position vis-a-vis Germany as possible.
A very simple explanation for the camera. At that time a camera was an expensive luxury item, probably even more so in that area of the world where luxury items were even harder to come by. He didn't really know these kids and kept his precious personal item close, probably keeping it around his neck all the time as a matter of habit.
Yep 100% nice to see some critical thinking instead of people justifying their alien or yeti theories lol and i believe in aliens and bigfoot but this story just isn’t that
I think this is very likely. Consumer items such as cameras were not very common in the USSR. The factor in that the authorities were probably not overly fond of private cameras as a concept. Thus, a prized possession he kept on his person.
Odd though that they didnt had the knives supposedly with them or the axes. I think Aiden also mentioned the finnish style knives would have been illegal to have, but thats to my understanding myth. In soviet russia knives with finger guards were restriceted because they were seen as weapons, and the knives that are mixed with "finnish style knives" are actually what street gangs used with finger guards, but they were called finnish as they often had finnish made blades "finka" in slang they are the knives even modern russian military knives are based on. Although im not sure if this is true, but to my understanding the more stereotypical finish knife without finger guards would have been fine, but "finka" essentially meant back then fighting knife just in slang
@@lalli8152 he probobly didn't feel any sort of personal attatchment to the knives and axes, and probobly figured he may not need them while on what he figured would be a routine watch.
@@jeezycreezy4220 Yeah i just mean that as they ran to the night none of them didnt seem to take the tools to survive the night. Although apparently the cedar tree branches were cut so atleast one knife was present
@@lalli8152 they left in an aparent panic. They didn't have time to grab anything. Several of them even left their shoes and coats behind. Literally all any of them took with them was whatever they had on their person at the time that whatever happened happened.
"What could you know about coffee? A lot." Makes sense with the skit in the middle about how you never sleep. Thanks for the careful and considerate overview of this without trying to make it more mysterious than it needs to be. It's already weird enough without trying to exaggerate the evidence. I wonder how heavy Zolotaryov's camera was. Someone else in the comments already noted that keeping the film warm would be a possible reasoning, and if the camera was relatively light (at that time it was probably too heavy for me to carry around casually but I am not anything near a hiker or veteran), he might have even just not bothered to take the time to drop it off anywhere else.
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They never addressed the most important question to come from this three part series, How is Aidan’s voice so perfect for listening to this in the background for almost any activity?
the small amount of radiation detected was from the thorium mantles used in the gas lamps some of which (spares as they are delicate)were found in their pockets/belongings,crushed,this IS the nail in the coffin of any nefarious reason for the radiation readings.
This very story is what got me started binging UA-cam mystery stories. Recently, I've found yours and I enjoyed the amount of detail and the deeper investigative look you take over basic story telling. Thank you for that! You've kept me sane and peaked my brain during very long boring 12 hour work days...
I am also into the elisa lam story but feel that will never be solved either. Unlike this video there are a lot of videos where they just watched another video with bad info and repeat it but most of them are pretty interesting.
@@CryptidRenfriSimon plays fast and loose with facts. I stopped watching videos from his first channel (whatever it was called) years back because I would hear stuff that always sounded like surface level Google/wikipedia/FB post "factoids" that I knew to not be true.
I really enjoy the new editing! The cut-ins with the music remind me of older documentaries and give a nice break to process. And the puns and bits! Love it! I also dig that Aidan is participating more in these episodes too! Growth, baby!
The term "Great Patriotic War" refers to the period between 22 June 1941 to 9 May 1945. Not the winter war or the invasion of Poland and seizure of Bessarabia. As for Zolotaryov sleeping fully clothed, that wouldn't be surprising given military habits during the fighting along the eastern front where he fought. They wouldn't strip off during the winter except for basic cleaning and personal needs.
Yea i thought that was an odd reference. He certainly got that wrong. Also even to his point while Poland was certainly done dirty the Finland war lacks context considering Finland was pro Nazi and Stalin thought they'd allow the nazis in the future entrance which they did.
@@GothPaoki honestly i think he let the "communism bad" cloud his mind a little, like comparing them to hitler youths, its inaccurate and honestly not required for an understanding of the situation. because there are a lot of inaccuracies of his add on comments about the ussr, many of which simply were not needed?
@@sabrinat6838totally agree, I think this channel offers a lot of valuable insights but his comments on the USSR were absolutely painful to sit through
I used to think you included too much. I can’t imagine it any other way now. Thank you for going over all of this it’s highly interesting and something I’ll definitely remember, as I tell everyone I’m around this story eventually.
I like how across all the podcasts and videos of mysteries I've consumed I don't bring up the mysteries - but always share a fact or two about mysteries when brought up, making me the spooky guy in a group usually
If anyone's interested, the pronunciation of the peak's name in Mansi is "kholat-CHAkhl", with the last L being palatised (i.e. soft, like the L in "literally")
@@cookiepie7854 Hes referring to consonants being pronounced 'softly' in Russian. For example translate 'king' and 'was' to russian on google and you can hear the difference in how the L is pronounced.
@fluitenkruid8905 that's interesting, I don't think I'm capable of making that sound so different. Thanks for sharing I am still curious why he chose "literally" as the example though, cause all 3 Ls sound the same in that as they do in every other English word I can think of
@cookiepie7854 so you pronounce the soft consonants by placing your tongue lower and in the back of your mouth. I wasnt good at it at first but your mouth gets used to it lol. I guess the first L in literally is a little bit softer but its not that well noticeable.
really love the cutaway bit correcting the missing hiker, it was shot and edited very well! (credit to Thornbury i’m guessing.) the contrast and coloring was honestly a little more enjoyable than the regular settings
Yeah the blue hues of my computer against the warm orange lamp behind Mattis’ head had a lot to do with that. I try to combine the warm/cool look on Mattis in the studio to a less extreme extent to match the setting, but maybe we’ll play around a bit with the lighting as we set things up. I appreciate your kind words nonetheless :)
Every single video y'all post, I always get so excited for. The deep dives into the history, the thoroughness with the research and the amount of content.. Its just phenomenal. Please never stop creating!
alright, dyatlov pass is fascinating and all, but when are we gonna get lore lodge content on the other, much more terrifying and mysterious russian hiking expedition gone wrong, the khamar daban incident?
Kamar Daban is the one where there was a survivor who saw the rest of her team die from what seemed to be respiratory problems? Right? I remember there was a theory that it was caused by a leak of deadly gases from a research facility. Something similar to mustard gas.
Great video. If you haven't watched it, I recommend the Expedition Unknown episode where they actually hike up to Dyatlov pass as part of their investigation. The show a picture from one of the films showing the one kid half dressed as a yeti so obviously messing around like young people do. They go up and measure the angle of the slope and there is a pretty good argument for an avalanche.
I'd like to say thank you very much. I've been listening to stories about this for years and I honestly thought it was just a basic "fun hike". I had no idea this was so "official" and well documented. It makes everything far more mysterious and in depth. Love it all.
I am a professional photographer who shoots film. I c0ck the shutter thinking I'm going to take a photo and end up not taking a photo all the time. When you only have a couple rolls of film you don't want to waste any frames. Especially if you are up against the end of a roll. Nothing weird about that.
As a particle physics grad student, beta particles indicates specific isotopes that have built up in the clothing. If the clothing itself was irradiated, it would have higher amounts of other types of radiation. Instead it seems that something has built up in the clothing itself, which could be explained by radioactive dust. My personal conclusion is that they probably were just exposed to something in their workplace rather than on the trip. Stringent radiation testing for radiation workers was not required like it is today so it's not surprising to see something like this I think.
I've been watching out for awhile now. Always love the content. But you guys knocked out of the park with this one, the production and quality are supreme
I highly recommend you to read the book of Aleksej Rakitin on this topic. He covers many theories, provides lots of insights into the case and comes up with many reasonable thoughts on what actually could have happened. I wasn't able to find the English title of the book since I read it in German.The title is "Die Toten vom Djatlow-Pass" (The death of the Dyatlov Pass)
It’s called the Great Patriotic War because regardless of politics, for the majority of the people it was about Nazis invading their homeland. Nowadays the war is often used for propaganda, but it doesn’t diminish the impact it had on the ordinary people who lived in the USSR. If you are interested, check out the blockade of Leningrad, it is the stuff of nightmares. One of the most well-known documents from it is a diary of a little girl who documented her entire family die of starvation around her. It’s horrifying.
Didn’t Semyon write in his diary about how this was a trip of a lifetime & they were all so lucky to be chosen or something like that? Also why was there blood in lyudmila’s stomach which means she was still alive when her tongue was removed? *disclaimer I know sometimes texts can come off rudely but that is not how I mean my questions. 😊
I'm not sure about Seymon's diary, but the substance in Lyudmila's stomach wasn't confirmed to be coagulated blood, it's an unidentified thick brown liquid, the public just assumed it was blood lol. I cant really think of what else it would be personally though
Just an observation, and I apologise if it's addressed later on in the episode (I'm 27mins in but thought I'd note this before I forget): in episode 1, as I recall, in this series you mentioned that a bag of barley was, unaccountably, found amongst their possessions. Two things mentioned in this episode are that the diaries record finding a Mansi structure used as an elevated cache - storing things (possibly including food? Pretty common practice in these environments) above ground - and, that one thing the Mansi did was grow and harvest barley. If the bag of barley found amongst the camping party's possessions is genuinely 'out of place' (I use it as a thickener in soups etc., perhaps, culturally, that was common for them too) then does the Mansi cache present a possible explanation for where that came from? Just an observation.
Downburst event. Stronger and more destructive than katabatic winds (as strong as a tornado and often accompanied by rain and hail). Scary enough to cause panic in which they might flee. Can be quiet localized, known as microburst. Surrounding areas might not have been aware it even occurred.
Could it also cause an avalanche cause the type of avalanche found in the area would also explain the snow around the tent as well and could be a two pronged effect that caused what happened. They thought they were dealing with an avalanche only for the burst to hit them?
@@victory8928 from my understanding no evidence of avalanche was obviously found. The area is not prone to avalanche due to the low angle of the slope and experienced hikers wouldn't set a tent up in an avalanche prone area. The snow on the tent, to me anyway, has always looked like a hurried attempt to weigh it down and protect it from blowing away. The tent is barely covered in snow so it wasn't affected much if it was an avalanche. I'm no expert though. Think it was a video on LEMMINO channel I first heard about the down burst theory.
@@sirridesalot6652 still requires a slope with steep enough angle though, right? Can't disagree, I'm not an expert on it so it's obviously possible. Could have been multiple things occurring in a very unfortunate timeframe close together. Don't think we'll even know. That's why things like this stay popular. People love a mystery
@@buddhamack1491Ah, but when they investigated slab avalanches they found that it didn't require a very steep slope at all. 30 to 35 degrees is sufficient in many cases.
The presentation has been excellent and I’ve enjoyed your program on this mysterious event. It may have been more than one factor resulting in the horrific deaths of these individuals. The fact that the group changed their route going into the Ural Mountains makes me think this wasn’t an accident but they were trying to avoid being followed? It seems that weather killed first group of hikers that attempted to get back to the tent in sub freezing temperatures and it could be the second group was scared by something to leave the snow built den. Or it collapsed? But their injuries were horrific so something more happened. One of coroners said their injuries were not consistent with avalanche injuries. I love that you can pronounce all of their Russian names. It shows a lot of respect for these hikers as individuals and we need to remember them As individuals. I don’t know if they determined how much snow was on the ground where they pitched the tent and why they pitched tent in the open and not in or near tree line. Perhaps to be able to see all around? Did someone keep “watch” at night? The severely maimed members of group were scared out of den? They were attacked by someone? Or something? How deep was the den carved into the snow shelf? These hikers were experienced so it seems odd they pitched tent on open slope and then built a snow den that would collapse. And the collapse of den would not cause these injuries. A topographical map of camp area is a must for figuring out these details. Thanks for presenting really rich details on this strange event.
This case has always intrigued me very strange left with lots of questions no real answers but yours covers this way better very interesting so Thank You 😊
While i can't say for certain what a Soviet construction engineer degree entails, that field is taught in the US. Its a subset of civil engineering, but is different.
Over the years I've done a number of long ski traverses in the remote mountains of the US and Canada. This story has always fascinated me, because it makes absolutely no sense. -A highly experienced group. -Their equipment was more than adequate. It wasn't light, by our standards, but it worked, and had been tested for decades in the Arctic and Antarctic. -The death of the entire group, and their injuries, is inexplicable. I live in the Wyoming mountains now. I'm familiar with avalanche risk, I've been caught in two. People are lost here every winter, but one, maybe two at a time. I don't believe that the slope where they camped slid. They were experienced campers, and would need a reason to leave their camps without gearing up. As I said, it makes no sense. In my mind I've ruled out Bigfoot and murderous locals. Who would go way out there at -30 F to attack them? Who would even know they were there? Tracks will persist for weeks in that above tree line, wind scoured terrain. This is an excellent synopsis of the evidence, but it still makes no sense to me.
@@ibdalia69 As I said, I've done long, multi-week ski traverses. Nobody does that kind of s*** on such a trip. Also, this was 1959, and they were Russians. It doesn't fit.
Im glad you mentioned an avalanche. My theory is an avalanche caused this incident. The roaring sound of an avalanche could easily cause the hikers to get out if their tents in a panic. The missing eyes, tongue, and eyebrows could be explained by scavenging animals. The remaining injuries seem consistent with crush injuries related to an avalanche. Lastly, hypothermia also played a role. I'm sure my theory leaves a few questions, but I'm pretty sure murderous natives, yeti, and the Russian government are not to blame. My two cents anyway.
That's why, and you could criticize all you need to.....But it had to be aliens. Unfortunately they are the only thing or entity that can make this whole story inexplicable. There are many "Missing 411" cases by David Paulides that are inexplicable just like this one. I know some, or most will think I'm crazy for suggesting "aliens". But guess what......idgaf. Peace.
That group who promoted the avalance theory based on the movie frozen have been debunked. Saying that I don't know who can look at these pictures and say there was an avalanche. There hadn't been an avalanche there for decades then, don't know about now but the small trees are fine and those tent posts or skis poles are still standing up.
I just commented on the 2nd dyatlov pass video as I'm watching them all at a time. This one brings me back to my burning question, although I don't think it was even noted in this video. Most, if not all barring the sketchy 38 yo man, were engineers. Being married to one for almost 20 years I can safely say - engineers DON'T panic. They assess a situation and make decisions based on logic, even in the face of chaos. So I'll say it again, why the hell did they CUT themselves out of their tent and then make an orderly retreat? That tent was crucial to their continued survival. Seems like it would've been a significantly panic inducing situation for not a one of them to pause and think "guys, let's just unzip the tent and get out, we may need it for future use unimpaired"
6:45 I love when you guys lean into the mistakes 😹 your humor has really elevated this channel to one of my absolute favorites in the “weird shit going on in the world” category.
I think they may have walked past old U.S.S.R. Orphan Sources. (Abandoned Nuclear Tech or materials) Look up how many have been found. They still find them. The hikers could walk past, and never know. Maybe only those two were close enough.
I think the onset of symptoms is far too fast for this to be the case, unless they were near multiple sources simultaneously and at different points thru-ought the trek. I have seen a bunch of those portable Russian devices, some even apparently designed as heaters lmao.
Cool. I work at 8am, should've been asleep 2 hours ago, and now I see a new hour long Lore Lodge video on one of the most interesting topics out there... 4 hours of sleep is enough, right?
The Long Walk (1956), Sławomir Rawicz's memoir, the writer testifies to having seen Yeti in Siberian mountains during his flight south after escaping from a prisoner camp.
I think the group in the den/hunt might have dug out a den in the snow/ice shelf to protect against wind and the elements. The top collapsed and dropped a ton of ice and now on them. If they were lying against each other, I could see how that might break ribs. The last guy dug them out, found zolotaryov was the least hurt. Then he tried to warm him up but both froze at that point.
@childpredatormissile I think you just nailed it - the scenario you describe is completely plausible and would explain all the crush injuries. Well done
It seems rational but we still dont exactly know what exactly caused them to leave the tent during the night. You explanation doesn't really match the other details of what happened
@@cheerful_crop_circleif your camping buddies were being crushed by snow you would stay in your tent?? Let it go and actually start thinking realistically
There isn’t a single theory/explanation I’ve seen that adequately covers everything that happened here. It feels like there are definitely some pieces missing from the puzzle, meaning we’ll probably never be able to solve it!
@@GIBBO4182 That doesn't really make me doubt that it wasnt an avalanche. It was definitely an avalanche (but maybe a more specific type of avalanche that we cant exactly picture in our minds)
@@cheerful_crop_circle one that is large enough to crush you, but not cover up footprints? And from the things I’ve seen, those footprints weren’t even erratic, which they would be if you were running away from an incoming avalanche
@@GIBBO4182 The damage and injuries on all 9 hikers was similar to that as if they were crashed by a car , so it was definitely caused by an avalanche or other natural disaster
In reference to the radiation question. Having only the presence of Beta emitters on the clothing, and the sweater having twice the contamination of the pants (even though they were owned by two different people, supposedly), If the exposures of the clothing happened and the clothing had been washed subsequent, I could see it being there, but I'm pretty sure that anti-contamination clothing, or lab coats were in use at that time. The most common Beta emitting contaminants in the nuclear arms space would probably be strontium and cesium, both being found in processed fuels, and separated out in the waste stream of plutonium separation and recovery. If one of them worked at a separation plant, I can see one of them getting a dose, but to the extent of it being noticeable, without the clothing being confiscated? That would have NEVER happened, even in the US nuke program, even back then. And one does wonder WHY the search parties, or even the coroner had the kind of equipment to even detect such things. They are not exactly common, or inexpensive enough for random people to "just have them". If the Dyatlov party had gone through a cloud of contaminates, EVERYONE would have evidence of contamination, and more likely have ALL manner of alpha, beta and gamma contamination. But if one of them worked in a nuclear fuels separation activity (explaining the single radiation type), I can see one or two items of clothing having some level of contamination on them, Given the Soviet Union's more lax standards of radiation safety.
That was the first question everyone who knows about radiation asked, when it came up. Why, did the search team even HAVE testing gear, let alone test for radiation. Unless there was something having to do with radiation nearby.
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43:38 I don’t know if I missed you saying this but this could just be pictures being taken to use the flash as a light, with the white lights just being snowflakes out of focus.
In the part about Zolotariov (Золоторёв) u spoke a little about so-called (in the document) “Great Patriotic War” and made a joke saying that there is nothing patriotic in that war Just wanted to clarify: “Great Patriotic War” is not a correct translation of the “Великая Отечественная Война» With the translation of “Great” and “War” I don’t have an issue, but the Russian word “Otechestvo” (отечество), actually means “motherland”, and Russians call this war Otechestvennaya not because it was “patriotic” or good or anything like that, but because it touched the whole country very deeply, because every human fought and suffered and mourned in unison Around 26,6 millions of innocent people died, 3 million people were trapped in the Siege of Leningrad without food and other basic things, starved to death for 3 years (which for me basically sounds like genocide), so this joke lacked background check and was kinda inappropriate (Almost every single government on this planet sucks, making very questionable political decisions, but citizens are not responsible for the insanity of the people above (especially when they never even chose those people, because they are not aloud to voice their opinions or else they’re gonna get killed or thrown in jail and then killed😇🤙)) Anyway the video is great. Thx, love your content 💗
Many people, especially English speaking people, tend to forget the Latin origin of some of their words. "Patriotic" is derived from the Latin word "patria" - meaning "Fatherland" or "Land of the Fathers". So if you do a patriotic thing, you do a thing that is beneficial for the land of your fathers, i. e. your own country. In that sense, the English translation is correct when you keep the literal meaning of the word "patriotic" in mind. The German translation for "Great Patriotic War" - "Großer Vaterländischer Krieg" ("War on behalf of the land of the fathers") - is a bit more transparent and self-explaining in that regard. Apart from that, I also want to thank you for your comment. As for the genocide, Hitler had indeed planned to exterminate the Slavic people whom he deemed to be "subhuman" in order to make room for the people of a perceived "Aryan race" (cf. "Generalplan Ost" in Wikipedia). So it does not just "basically sound like genocide", as you put it - it literally was a genocide, or at least an attempt of genocide. Special units ("SS-Einsatzgruppen") were tasked with deliberately killing, raping, torturing the civilian population and burning and looting their villages. In a sinister twist of history, the fact that the people(s) of Russia suffered and sacrificed the most during the reign of Hitler is overshadowed by the pure evilness of the Soviet Regime and the post-war occupation of Eastern Europe. Nonetheless, it was the Red Army that took the brunt of the fighting and lost by far the most soldiers (cf. "World War II casualties" in Wikipedia). Not trying to defend Communism here, but as you said, one should never confuse the ordinary people with the government or leadership of a country.
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You should know that you probably loose allot of content and subs because you wealthy/you come off like that rich white kid
However I have nothing against you... just found your channel
I love these uploads. Love the history of the areas you touch on also. (I like reading about old legends, monsters, and myths of places).
You are what the History Channel should have been.
Keep up the good work.
10/10 production and quality.
We all know that the Pass victims were from the future and found a secret time machine in a secret base and the Soviets didn't know who they were and covered it up to cover up the time machine they were working on at the time. Cool story.
Do Maddie McCann!!!
as a russian-speaking person i’ve seen a LOT of stuff on Dyatlov’s Pass topic but you might be the first one to mention more specific details on Zolotaryov background. For example the difference in his salary is definitely interesting. Even though i don’t think that the soviets would hire someone with such “unreliable” background for some sort of secret mission, but it’s still something to think about.
(unrelated, but my personal go to theory for the explanation is that the entire incident is a military cover-up of some sort. there is a very interesting documentary on this by a russian youtuber «Дима Масленников» (idk maybe there are english subtitles on his video), where he personally travelled to the Dyatlov Pass, examined the original diaries and police files in person and many other things. (also i’d be glad to help with the russian-english translation if you’ll ever need one)
and as always thank you for the great video😌
That would be an amazing collaboration, to hear the Russian police file translations and course of their investigations. Please upvote this.
I want to watch that with subtitles!
Can you post a link to the video/channel.........asking for a friend......
Army/police/state cover-up after the fact is possible, very easy and common, even a routine procedure in that era. Hell, we still dont know what exactly went down with the Kursk submarine incident, that was only 20 years ago.
But as for the death of the expedition, I dont see any evidence of military activity. That would have required a lot of soldiers who would have left marks in the snow. And that's not how soldiers would kill such a group, modus operandi wise. Would have been way easier for them to make them disappear entirely: "trekkers disappear in the winter wilderness never to be found", end of the story. Instead of creating a decades long mystery. And authorities would never have allowed an independent volonteer search party to reach the site first, if they were responsible in any way for example.
If there were criminal acts here, I would suspect the natives, the ones the group reported chanting "anti revolutionary songs", the closest to the scene, the last persons to have seen them alive. And the super messy crime scene if we consider this hypothesis, tend to pair better with drunken natives using blades, clubs and rocks, than professional armed killers, ie soldiers or some state agent who would have eliminated the group in minutes, in their tent for example instead of night long ordeal with separate groups dying scattered all over the place from different causes.
@@MrPloopinuke subs don't communicate with command very often, US sub commanders receive orders of up to a month and are responsible for up to three months during war. It's by their nature that it's hard to figure out exactly what happened on nuke subs but I thought it was pretty certain that it was gas buildup from torpedo propellent mixing with sea brine??
The veteran sleeping in his clothes could just be a habit from WW2. It was a pretty common practice during the war.
Also any combat veteran of the eastern front is going to have a serious case of PTSD and no one had any treatment beyond man up and alcohol. Even worse in the USSR.
Used to do it myself when I had week old calves n could hear the mountain lions screaming, me n my Rotts slept outside for awhile
That reminds me of something. I live in the dallas-fort-worth-tx area, and not too far from here, there was a fatal animal attack in the last couple of years. The victim was a full-grown adult man who was supposedly killed by a cougar, but from what I've heard, there are issues with that. Might be an interesting case for the Aidans, not a well-known case.
@@michaelaustin310 interesting, hope Aidan sees your comment, the mountain Lion I mentioned before supposedly attacked a horse but can I find anything about it? Of course this was before social media
@@michaelaustin310 there is some weird stuff in Texas. I've personally had a strange encounter with what seemed like a flying humanoid. East of Seguine, TX. That encounter has made it practically impossible for me to go camping again in South Texas. Anything South, past the Caprock in West Texas camping wise is a no go for me. No thank you.
I cannot stay away from the Dyatlov pass programs.
Me neither
got me in a choak hold
Seems to have been an avalanche but it still reels me in....
Definitely stay away, I heard some people died
This is how I feel about yuba county 5 videos - they’re so fascinating
"Do you ever sleep?"
"No whey, man."
'No, whey man.'
I missed that pun. 😅
"we have a lotta time and no intention of letting mysteries be"
I suppose that is a good sign for modern quality of life
I actually enjoyed that comedy bit about Yuri. Your video/editor friend you work with is becoming far more relaxed on camera. Love the content. Fan for a while now.
Definitely glad there’s noticeable improvement because I thought I looked so stiff 😂
@@aidanthornburyyou guys have improved alot.
Thornbussy Rules!
Nah you were natural and your hair looks great @@aidanthornbury
@aidanthornbury ...but that's part of your charm. Comedy gold 😊👌
Perhaps seeing as this was the USSR, Zolotaryov could have been the government representative to make sure that the group did what they said they were going to do and not do non-state approved shenanigans.
The reason he would have his camera on him late at night is because film base will freeze and the sprocket holes will strip. I had an assignment to take Christmas photos of a 1800s mansion in Ypsilanti, Michigan in winter. I had the camera on the tripod between shots and (of course) the film froze so I couldn't even rewind the film and had to bag it so I could reload.
I did a lot of high altitude mountaineering with film, and later digital, cameras. My camera was always in the sleeping bag, inside a waterproof bag, with me.
Hey, a fellow ypsi/SE MI person!
This makes so much sense, I’m surprised this is the first video I’ve seen bring this up. Could also be that this is just a whole jumble of confusing mess 😭
At least one of them would have been a party plant or commissar like figure
The Soviets did that all the time, embedded politburo spies in every organization, group
They had them on their warships and in the military to
Secretly reporting everything to the state.
But they did take pictures on the moon where temperatures is +130C - -160C.
Did they not?
I'm so glad you decided to fill the silent intermissions with a sound. It keeps me from thinking my sound/internet stopped working every few minutes.
So, the infamous Frame 34. Here's what that is: an exposure was made while the lens was collapsed. I had to look up what camera and lens was used to be sure of it. The Industar lens used at that time was "collapsible" that is, it could be pushed down, and into the camera body to make it smaller when not in use. Of course when this is done, you cannot take an in-focus picture, because the lens is too near the film. That's why nothing on Frame 34 is in focus. Additionally, you can see the vignetting caused by the lens being collapsed, the image area is rounded because the lens cannot cover (project) the full frame when in its collapsed position. The shape of the aperture is also visible. The Industar lens has eight aperture blades, which created the octagonal shape in the center of that frame. As for who pressed the button, and when? No way of knowing, but whoever it was they were either unintentionally doing it, or in any event had not planned to take a picture, as the lens had not been pulled out.
Could he have taken the camera instead of grabbing his torch. If you are in a hurry and don’t have time to look. Did the camera have a flash that could be used as a light so the photos aren’t important in anyway.
No no no, it's clearly demons taking corporeal form. A psychic told me so. /s
@@akelly4207 The cameras they had were not capable of firing a flash (which would have been a separate attachment, and used flashbulbs). So no, not useful as a light source. Also all the cameras were left behind in the tent except for one (which wasn't the one with the mystery frame 34).
@@nostalgiccameralife Ah, ok thank you.
well said old bean
LETS GO PART 3
I love it when Aidan gives me follow up videos to correct things and add on things
helps give me the most accurate info possible
Hi Aidan. Would love it if you can do a video about the Khamar Daban Incident. Eerily similar to the Dyatlov Pass Incident. But just more horrific
He did already
That was definitely some form of nerve gas or chemical weapon
Most likely left over from use and testing that had either infused into the earth around them or the vegetation they consumed like mushrooms
seems like chemical weapons...buried (but not properly) and leeched out into the air...
@@ramonaagachi Did he though? I've looked and cannot find any such video.
That's the one in the post-soviet era, right? Much more likely to be a weapons accident (or rather, contamination) and easily explained with that.
I've camped on the Pitchstone Plateau in Yellowstone, at -60 F. I am trying to imagine a circumstance that would compel me to leave my tent in my underwear.
I'm here to tell you that, if you meet somebody out in the middle of nowhere in that kind of cold, you're not thinking about viol*nce. The cold is the en*my, not other people.
I read many things that they dug into the snow bank to Shield their tent, and the snow had become unstable and collapsed onto their tent.
@@Cherokee913
So the snow took off all their clothes??
Kinky snow.@@kristimcgowandarkoscellard3126
@kristimcgowandarkoscellard3126 nah, the snow slab collapse theory is one that may explain why they cut themselves out of their tent and rushed to the tree line. I presume the ones who were found without clothes might be because the little clothing they have had gotten wet during the incident, and they removed it while around the fire in an attempt to get dry and warm.
@@Cherokee913 I've dug various kinds of snow shelters, and built igloos, and I find that theory very unlikely.
I recently watched "The Red Thread" episode about this in addition to your previous videos. After seeing a diagram of the bodies in the gulch, my strongest theory is the shelter was on snow or ice probably, so instead of a 6 foot drop onto rocks imagine a 9-12+ foot drop onto jagged rocks, while already being pretty beaten and cold. Then the last guy comes up on the scene, everyone else is dead or dying. He's already freezing to death so grabs his friend for any bit of warmth he can get and gives up.
Don't forget the Yeti sighting that happened but was unrelated to the disaster
This was my thought too. The scene when they found them could have been very different than the scene when the incident happened. Wasn't it months later?
@@JediDrewsterTwhat Yeti sighting?
🙄
Unrelated? Bullshit
Been binge watching your videos for 3 days now. My dog got hit in front of me tuesday morning and I sprained my knee when carrying him so i've been doing alot of nothing which is driving me insane. Your videos have helped alot, from humor to realism that helped me kinda realize life goes on without Pete, bear chaser and expert on raccoon/squirrel warfare. For an Appalachian Mountain Feist, he was absolutely fearless. Don't think i'll ever have or see another dog like him lol.
I am so sorry for your loss!!! Suddenly losing your best friend like that can be a terrible shock and very painful. I had to put my Pharaoh hound (Karma) down a few months ago due to a sudden horrible illness and she was only 9. She was a very special creature and I miss her terribly!! I also don’t believe I’ll find another dog like her. Just know you are not alone and give yourself the time to grieve. You will never replace the best friend you lost, but in time that terrible pain will lessen and maybe you might find a new friend that you can love too.
I'm so sorry. It is terrible to lose a friend like that.😢
Vale Pete, Bear Caser, Veteran of the Racoon/Squirrel Wars and Goodest Boi.
Know how you feel man.
Sorry
I’m so sorry about your dog, pets are the best ever. If you’ve got a lot of down time I highly recommend Wendigoon, Nexpo, and The Casual Criminalist if you like this type of content. Even though some of it is kinda dark it’s good and distracting. I wish you the best in your recovery
I've watched a video on a Polish channel a while ago and they have talked a lot about the work that some of those hikers were doing in the field of nuclear science. Apparently, they could have been in possession of classified info on ongoing nuclear projects. Since they were very young and intelligent but struggling financially and just starting their careers, they could have been suspected of spying. There is a theory that they were supposed to meet someone on that hike in a remote location to pass the info. Maybe it's worth looking into... Great video! It's so interesting that after all of those years following this case, I still see new theories and facts being discussed. 🙌
YES I read this theory in a really good book about the Dpi called "Death or nine The Dyatlov Pass mystery' by Launton Anderson and the author really deep dived into everything, debunked several popular theories and in the end provided a lot of evidence for it being murder, very convincingly too! If you haven't already, you should check it out, can not suggest it enough!
im so facinated by Dyatlov's Pass, ever since i heard about it i've been enthralled. there's even a game loosely based around it called Kholat. But it's very interesting to hear things i've never known about in all my years of hyperfixating on this story. keep up the good work!
I've played the game on Playstation. It was fairly scary lol
The game “The long dark” has kind of similar vibes as well. You have to survive and try not to freeze to death.
Loved that comedy bit. I enjoy when y'all inject humor and off the wall comments lol.
Very python-esque
It's how I know this isn't AI generated YT slop
It’s ok. But they need to use that very sparingly because many people come here for the history and theories. Put too much comedy in and they lose their historical context. And it’ll become like the Why Files with the silly fish
Lmfao
Just watched all the Lore Lodge Dyatlov pass material back to back - best binge of 2024, can recommend to others!
When Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812, it was the Patriotic War; when Angry Lesser Moustache invaded Russia, it was the Great Patriotic War because it was bigger. It's a creative interpretation of "the defensive war" or "the war on our own territory".
I find the whole jab at the "patriotic war" here weird. Sure, the invasion on Poland wasn't a nice thing to do, but at 1941, when he conscripted, they were defending against Germany under the mustache man. What else he was supposed to do? Cross his arms and be a redditor - "i guess since Russia started the war against Poland i now deserve do have my property and life claimed by the moustache man" ? How is defending his country not patriotic.
Yep, it’s not actually “patriotic” in Russian, more like “homeland war”
Yea also while Poland was a victim Finland definitely had it coming. It's often overlooked because they were the defenders but they were pro Nazis and Stalin believed they'd act as a base for a future nazi invasion which they did
@GothPaoki Woah woah woah OK, as a Finn who lost grandfather, granduncle, and uncle in that war, gotta take exception to that.
Finland was rife with Russophobia before the war and was stupid to take the Nazi side (esp when they were actually refusing to help in the winter war!)
But even if Finland would obviously have been better off just conceding the soviet border changes in '39, you can harldy expect a country to just surrender territory so easily. It doesn't make the USSR invasion their fault, that was just geopolitics.
@@sohlasattelite971Yeah the invasion of Poland was aggression by the USSR but we gotta remember that in the pre-UN era it was all ordinary geopolitics. Just like the English and French colluded with the German invasion of Czechoslovakia. The USSR was convinced (with pretty good reason) that the English and French were trying to assist a Nazi invasion of the USSR, they wouldn't actually honour their pact to defend Poland, and they'd let Germany take it all to make a future Nazi invasion of the USSR more likely. The Molotov-Ribbentropp pact and the soviet invasions it triggered were an attempt by the USSR to get as strong a position vis-a-vis Germany as possible.
A very simple explanation for the camera. At that time a camera was an expensive luxury item, probably even more so in that area of the world where luxury items were even harder to come by. He didn't really know these kids and kept his precious personal item close, probably keeping it around his neck all the time as a matter of habit.
Yes ig
Yep 100% nice to see some critical thinking instead of people justifying their alien or yeti theories lol and i believe in aliens and bigfoot but this story just isn’t that
I wonder if Zolotaryov may have had his camera on him that night because it was an expensive piece of equipment and he just wanted to keep it close?
I think this is very likely. Consumer items such as cameras were not very common in the USSR. The factor in that the authorities were probably not overly fond of private cameras as a concept. Thus, a prized possession he kept on his person.
Odd though that they didnt had the knives supposedly with them or the axes. I think Aiden also mentioned the finnish style knives would have been illegal to have, but thats to my understanding myth. In soviet russia knives with finger guards were restriceted because they were seen as weapons, and the knives that are mixed with "finnish style knives" are actually what street gangs used with finger guards, but they were called finnish as they often had finnish made blades "finka" in slang they are the knives even modern russian military knives are based on. Although im not sure if this is true, but to my understanding the more stereotypical finish knife without finger guards would have been fine, but "finka" essentially meant back then fighting knife just in slang
@@lalli8152 he probobly didn't feel any sort of personal attatchment to the knives and axes, and probobly figured he may not need them while on what he figured would be a routine watch.
@@jeezycreezy4220 Yeah i just mean that as they ran to the night none of them didnt seem to take the tools to survive the night. Although apparently the cedar tree branches were cut so atleast one knife was present
@@lalli8152 they left in an aparent panic. They didn't have time to grab anything. Several of them even left their shoes and coats behind. Literally all any of them took with them was whatever they had on their person at the time that whatever happened happened.
"What could you know about coffee? A lot."
Makes sense with the skit in the middle about how you never sleep.
Thanks for the careful and considerate overview of this without trying to make it more mysterious than it needs to be. It's already weird enough without trying to exaggerate the evidence.
I wonder how heavy Zolotaryov's camera was. Someone else in the comments already noted that keeping the film warm would be a possible reasoning, and if the camera was relatively light (at that time it was probably too heavy for me to carry around casually but I am not anything near a hiker or veteran), he might have even just not bothered to take the time to drop it off anywhere else.
They never addressed the most important question to come from this three part series, How is Aidan’s voice so perfect for listening to this in the background for almost any activity?
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Life pro tip: Mobile youtube allows you to have a "stop after [X] minutes" function.
His voice is perfect, and is pretty much the reason I don't post content. My voice sounds like somebody choking a weasel
the small amount of radiation detected was from the thorium mantles used in the gas lamps some of which (spares as they are delicate)were found in their pockets/belongings,crushed,this IS the nail in the coffin of any nefarious reason for the radiation readings.
Yes 👍🏻
This very story is what got me started binging UA-cam mystery stories. Recently, I've found yours and I enjoyed the amount of detail and the deeper investigative look you take over basic story telling.
Thank you for that! You've kept me sane and peaked my brain during very long boring 12 hour work days...
I am also into the elisa lam story but feel that will never be solved either. Unlike this video there are a lot of videos where they just watched another video with bad info and repeat it but most of them are pretty interesting.
Id like to see The Lore Lodge do a video of the story of the Mad Trapper of Rat River and who the individual may have been that would be interesting
The Casual Criminalist has a great episode on that. I'd highly recommend that channel and others run by Simon Whistler.
@@CryptidRenfriSimon plays fast and loose with facts. I stopped watching videos from his first channel (whatever it was called) years back because I would hear stuff that always sounded like surface level Google/wikipedia/FB post "factoids" that I knew to not be true.
I really enjoy the new editing! The cut-ins with the music remind me of older documentaries and give a nice break to process. And the puns and bits! Love it!
I also dig that Aidan is participating more in these episodes too! Growth, baby!
The term "Great Patriotic War" refers to the period between 22 June 1941 to 9 May 1945. Not the winter war or the invasion of Poland and seizure of Bessarabia. As for Zolotaryov sleeping fully clothed, that wouldn't be surprising given military habits during the fighting along the eastern front where he fought. They wouldn't strip off during the winter except for basic cleaning and personal needs.
Yea i thought that was an odd reference. He certainly got that wrong.
Also even to his point while Poland was certainly done dirty the Finland war lacks context considering Finland was pro Nazi and Stalin thought they'd allow the nazis in the future entrance which they did.
@@GothPaoki honestly i think he let the "communism bad" cloud his mind a little, like comparing them to hitler youths, its inaccurate and honestly not required for an understanding of the situation. because there are a lot of inaccuracies of his add on comments about the ussr, many of which simply were not needed?
@@sabrinat6838 Commies are still very bad.
@@sabrinat6838totally agree, I think this channel offers a lot of valuable insights but his comments on the USSR were absolutely painful to sit through
@@sabrinat6838I mean technically the ussr killed more in camps then the Nazis
I used to think you included too much. I can’t imagine it any other way now. Thank you for going over all of this it’s highly interesting and something I’ll definitely remember, as I tell everyone I’m around this story eventually.
I like how across all the podcasts and videos of mysteries I've consumed I don't bring up the mysteries - but always share a fact or two about mysteries when brought up, making me the spooky guy in a group usually
If anyone's interested, the pronunciation of the peak's name in Mansi is "kholat-CHAkhl", with the last L being palatised (i.e. soft, like the L in "literally")
no one cares
Can you give me an example of a word with an L pronounced different than that? Every word I try, it sounds the same lol
@@cookiepie7854 Hes referring to consonants being pronounced 'softly' in Russian. For example translate 'king' and 'was' to russian on google and you can hear the difference in how the L is pronounced.
@fluitenkruid8905 that's interesting, I don't think I'm capable of making that sound so different. Thanks for sharing
I am still curious why he chose "literally" as the example though, cause all 3 Ls sound the same in that as they do in every other English word I can think of
@cookiepie7854 so you pronounce the soft consonants by placing your tongue lower and in the back of your mouth. I wasnt good at it at first but your mouth gets used to it lol.
I guess the first L in literally is a little bit softer but its not that well noticeable.
I honestly hope you guys keep diving into this topic. I really think you guy’s are great! This is fascinating.
really love the cutaway bit correcting the missing hiker, it was shot and edited very well! (credit to Thornbury i’m guessing.) the contrast and coloring was honestly a little more enjoyable than the regular settings
Yeah it looked higher quality and had a more mysterious vibe
Yeah the blue hues of my computer against the warm orange lamp behind Mattis’ head had a lot to do with that. I try to combine the warm/cool look on Mattis in the studio to a less extreme extent to match the setting, but maybe we’ll play around a bit with the lighting as we set things up. I appreciate your kind words nonetheless :)
Wow! The most detailed analysis i have ever seen! Thank you! Looking forward to the further investigation
Aah.. Dyatlov Pass... The gift that keeps on giving.
like elisa lam
Every single video y'all post, I always get so excited for. The deep dives into the history, the thoroughness with the research and the amount of content.. Its just phenomenal. Please never stop creating!
7:09 Are you eating protein powder off of chopsticks? 🤣
Yes, yes he is.
Pretending to
@@rigid73able You ever eat rice with chopsticks? It's shockingly easy to eat things that have no business being chopstick-able lol
@@rigid73ablehomie just gotta wet it with his spit to get it on the chopstick. He was definitely eating small amounts of protein powder
And double dipping. Heinous.
The whole bit with Aiden appearing at Aiden's apartment friggin killed me 🤣
I LOLed.
i was terrified! long hair = potential SK!!
Literally just watched the first 2 videos and this dropped as soon as I finished 🙌🏻
Me too?? It’s like they know or something lol
@@maddieullrick4939 they definitely know.
alright, dyatlov pass is fascinating and all, but when are we gonna get lore lodge content on the other, much more terrifying and mysterious russian hiking expedition gone wrong, the khamar daban incident?
For real. Dyatlov seems more well known, but Kamar Dhaban is genuinely scary.
He already covered it. 🤷🏼♀️
Kamar Daban is the one where there was a survivor who saw the rest of her team die from what seemed to be respiratory problems? Right? I remember there was a theory that it was caused by a leak of deadly gases from a research facility. Something similar to mustard gas.
@CryptidRenfri But isnt that solved though?
@@victory8928lol
This mystery is so fascinating
No mystery. Jus a Sasquatch
Do you think that was the cause?@@gordongarrett6229
This is one of my favorite mysteries. Thanks for keeping it alive!!
Thank you youtube for the context box. I never would have known that the nine hiker would have died under uncertain circumstances.
Aiden is terrific. Charismatic and funny and natural story teller. Been watching videos for a week now. Great work, well done
that cut scene was magic!! loved it!
Great video. If you haven't watched it, I recommend the Expedition Unknown episode where they actually hike up to Dyatlov pass as part of their investigation. The show a picture from one of the films showing the one kid half dressed as a yeti so obviously messing around like young people do. They go up and measure the angle of the slope and there is a pretty good argument for an avalanche.
Loved the glasses bit.
Just checking to make sure we're awake.
I'd like to say thank you very much. I've been listening to stories about this for years and I honestly thought it was just a basic "fun hike". I had no idea this was so "official" and well documented. It makes everything far more mysterious and in depth. Love it all.
You guys should do a video on the Dyatlov Pass
They did a few months earlier I believe
Fuck the dyatlov pass, I’m tryna get a gyatlov pass bby 😉
Thank you foe uploading part 3 so soon after I discovered parts 1 and 2.
Your skin is looking amazing and thumbs up on the hair too! Just starting the video but wanted to let you know you're looking great
I am a professional photographer who shoots film. I c0ck the shutter thinking I'm going to take a photo and end up not taking a photo all the time.
When you only have a couple rolls of film you don't want to waste any frames. Especially if you are up against the end of a roll. Nothing weird about that.
Great presentation, lads. A LOT of work. Appreciated.
Just got home, couldn't be a better Friday
The fact that this came out literally the day after I binge watched the other two is insane to me
i love how he acknowledges that Dyatlov Pass is one of the most covered stories in true crime and paranormal mysteries
But dyatlov pass is not believed to be a crime and if they died of hypothermia then it wasn’t paranormal either
@@MrNextupFootballsnow slab?
@@cheerful_crop_circle beet your meet
Love the creative panache with the interlude!
Love the Eire go Bragh flag on the wall! The Irish war flag. Glorious!
Great documentary, definitely added more insight than I had heard before!
As a particle physics grad student, beta particles indicates specific isotopes that have built up in the clothing. If the clothing itself was irradiated, it would have higher amounts of other types of radiation. Instead it seems that something has built up in the clothing itself, which could be explained by radioactive dust. My personal conclusion is that they probably were just exposed to something in their workplace rather than on the trip. Stringent radiation testing for radiation workers was not required like it is today so it's not surprising to see something like this I think.
I believe some of the students were taking science classes in the lab, and would definitely have been exposed to radioactive materials.
I've been watching out for awhile now. Always love the content. But you guys knocked out of the park with this one, the production and quality are supreme
Love for The Lore Lodge
I highly recommend you to read the book of Aleksej Rakitin on this topic. He covers many theories, provides lots of insights into the case and comes up with many reasonable thoughts on what actually could have happened. I wasn't able to find the English title of the book since I read it in German.The title is "Die Toten vom Djatlow-Pass" (The death of the Dyatlov Pass)
It’s called the Great Patriotic War because regardless of politics, for the majority of the people it was about Nazis invading their homeland. Nowadays the war is often used for propaganda, but it doesn’t diminish the impact it had on the ordinary people who lived in the USSR. If you are interested, check out the blockade of Leningrad, it is the stuff of nightmares. One of the most well-known documents from it is a diary of a little girl who documented her entire family die of starvation around her. It’s horrifying.
The comedic timing with you two is absolutely on point
Didn’t Semyon write in his diary about how this was a trip of a lifetime & they were all so lucky to be chosen or something like that? Also why was there blood in lyudmila’s stomach which means she was still alive when her tongue was removed? *disclaimer I know sometimes texts can come off rudely but that is not how I mean my questions. 😊
I'm not sure about Seymon's diary, but the substance in Lyudmila's stomach wasn't confirmed to be coagulated blood, it's an unidentified thick brown liquid, the public just assumed it was blood lol. I cant really think of what else it would be personally though
@@gannonic9668 a drug. Mind altering .
@@ernestkovach3305 ural hayahuasca or however it's spelled lol
I'm so addicted to this story... It is utterly fascinating... Would do anything to be able to go back there and see what happened....
And possibly help the hikers?
Just an observation, and I apologise if it's addressed later on in the episode (I'm 27mins in but thought I'd note this before I forget): in episode 1, as I recall, in this series you mentioned that a bag of barley was, unaccountably, found amongst their possessions. Two things mentioned in this episode are that the diaries record finding a Mansi structure used as an elevated cache - storing things (possibly including food? Pretty common practice in these environments) above ground - and, that one thing the Mansi did was grow and harvest barley. If the bag of barley found amongst the camping party's possessions is genuinely 'out of place' (I use it as a thickener in soups etc., perhaps, culturally, that was common for them too) then does the Mansi cache present a possible explanation for where that came from? Just an observation.
thats a common food item, just like oatmeal here. Don't even know why it was mentioned
Thank you for always keeping updated playlists🙏🏼
Downburst event. Stronger and more destructive than katabatic winds (as strong as a tornado and often accompanied by rain and hail). Scary enough to cause panic in which they might flee. Can be quiet localized, known as microburst. Surrounding areas might not have been aware it even occurred.
Could it also cause an avalanche cause the type of avalanche found in the area would also explain the snow around the tent as well and could be a two pronged effect that caused what happened. They thought they were dealing with an avalanche only for the burst to hit them?
@@victory8928 from my understanding no evidence of avalanche was obviously found. The area is not prone to avalanche due to the low angle of the slope and experienced hikers wouldn't set a tent up in an avalanche prone area. The snow on the tent, to me anyway, has always looked like a hurried attempt to weigh it down and protect it from blowing away. The tent is barely covered in snow so it wasn't affected much if it was an avalanche. I'm no expert though. Think it was a video on LEMMINO channel I first heard about the down burst theory.
@@buddhamack1491What about the Slab Avalanche Theory? In it it's stated the very little to no evidence is left when one occurs.
@@sirridesalot6652 still requires a slope with steep enough angle though, right? Can't disagree, I'm not an expert on it so it's obviously possible. Could have been multiple things occurring in a very unfortunate timeframe close together. Don't think we'll even know. That's why things like this stay popular. People love a mystery
@@buddhamack1491Ah, but when they investigated slab avalanches they found that it didn't require a very steep slope at all. 30 to 35 degrees is sufficient in many cases.
YAYYYY!!! This series is how I found your channel, and I’ve been so excited for this video since!!
Love it when you add in humor in such respectful ways.
I wasn't expecting another Dyatlov Pass video, but I'm not upset that we did
The presentation has been excellent and I’ve enjoyed your program on this mysterious event. It may have been more than one factor resulting in the horrific deaths of these individuals. The fact that the group changed their route going into the Ural Mountains makes me think this wasn’t an accident but they were trying to avoid being followed? It seems that weather killed first group of hikers that attempted to get back to the tent in sub freezing temperatures and it could be the second group was scared by something to leave the snow built den. Or it collapsed? But their injuries were horrific so something more happened. One of coroners said their injuries were not consistent with avalanche injuries.
I love that you can pronounce all of their Russian names. It shows a lot of respect for these hikers as individuals and we need to remember them
As individuals. I don’t know if they determined how much snow was on the ground where they pitched the tent and why they pitched tent in the open and not in or near tree line. Perhaps to be able to see all around? Did someone keep “watch” at night? The severely maimed members of group were scared out of den? They were attacked by someone? Or something? How deep was the den carved into the snow shelf? These hikers were experienced so it seems odd they pitched tent on open slope and then built a snow den that would collapse. And the collapse of den would not cause these injuries. A topographical map of camp area is a must for figuring out these details. Thanks for presenting really rich details on this strange event.
This case has always intrigued me very strange left with lots of questions no real answers but yours covers this way better very interesting so Thank You 😊
While i can't say for certain what a Soviet construction engineer degree entails, that field is taught in the US. Its a subset of civil engineering, but is different.
I admit it. I can’t get enough of Dyatlov Pass! Thank you for another great video!
Over the years I've done a number of long ski traverses in the remote mountains of the US and Canada.
This story has always fascinated me, because it makes absolutely no sense.
-A highly experienced group.
-Their equipment was more than adequate. It wasn't light, by our standards, but it worked, and had been tested for decades in the Arctic and Antarctic.
-The death of the entire group, and their injuries, is inexplicable.
I live in the Wyoming mountains now. I'm familiar with avalanche risk, I've been caught in two. People are lost here every winter, but one, maybe two at a time. I don't believe that the slope where they camped slid. They were experienced campers, and would need a reason to leave their camps without gearing up.
As I said, it makes no sense. In my mind I've ruled out Bigfoot and murderous locals. Who would go way out there at -30 F to attack them? Who would even know they were there? Tracks will persist for weeks in that above tree line, wind scoured terrain.
This is an excellent synopsis of the evidence, but it still makes no sense to me.
They appear intelligent and level headed so no one would've spiked their cocoa with an halucinogen?
@@ibdalia69 As I said, I've done long, multi-week ski traverses. Nobody does that kind of s*** on such a trip. Also, this was 1959, and they were Russians. It doesn't fit.
Im glad you mentioned an avalanche. My theory is an avalanche caused this incident. The roaring sound of an avalanche could easily cause the hikers to get out if their tents in a panic. The missing eyes, tongue, and eyebrows could be explained by scavenging animals. The remaining injuries seem consistent with crush injuries related to an avalanche. Lastly, hypothermia also played a role. I'm sure my theory leaves a few questions, but I'm pretty sure murderous natives, yeti, and the Russian government are not to blame. My two cents anyway.
That's why, and you could criticize all you need to.....But it had to be aliens. Unfortunately they are the only thing or entity that can make this whole story inexplicable. There are many "Missing 411" cases by David Paulides that are inexplicable just like this one.
I know some, or most will think I'm crazy for suggesting "aliens". But guess what......idgaf.
Peace.
That group who promoted the avalance theory based on the movie frozen have been debunked. Saying that I don't know who can look at these pictures and say there was an avalanche. There hadn't been an avalanche there for decades then, don't know about now but the small trees are fine and those tent posts or skis poles are still standing up.
I just commented on the 2nd dyatlov pass video as I'm watching them all at a time. This one brings me back to my burning question, although I don't think it was even noted in this video. Most, if not all barring the sketchy 38 yo man, were engineers. Being married to one for almost 20 years I can safely say - engineers DON'T panic. They assess a situation and make decisions based on logic, even in the face of chaos. So I'll say it again, why the hell
did they CUT themselves out of their tent and then make an orderly retreat? That tent was crucial to their continued survival. Seems like it would've been a significantly panic inducing situation for not a one of them to pause and think "guys, let's just unzip the tent and get out, we may need it for future use unimpaired"
I had a feeling you would revisit this case, and it has come to pass!
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Maybe Zolotariov was dressed because he was schedule to go on watch next...or just came off watch.
Your style of videos are so well researched and different I feel like you should be on tv docs
Loved this episode, Aiden!
6:45 I love when you guys lean into the mistakes 😹 your humor has really elevated this channel to one of my absolute favorites in the “weird shit going on in the world” category.
Honestly, same. Good research, good videos, and good humour for spooky topics. All around good show!
I think they may have walked past old U.S.S.R. Orphan Sources. (Abandoned Nuclear Tech or materials) Look up how many have been found. They still find them. The hikers could walk past, and never know. Maybe only those two were close enough.
I think the onset of symptoms is far too fast for this to be the case, unless they were near multiple sources simultaneously and at different points thru-ought the trek. I have seen a bunch of those portable Russian devices, some even apparently designed as heaters lmao.
Well done. Organized, detailed, and reasonable discussion.
Cool. I work at 8am, should've been asleep 2 hours ago, and now I see a new hour long Lore Lodge video on one of the most interesting topics out there... 4 hours of sleep is enough, right?
The Long Walk (1956), Sławomir Rawicz's memoir, the writer testifies to having seen Yeti in Siberian mountains during his flight south after escaping from a prisoner camp.
I think the group in the den/hunt might have dug out a den in the snow/ice shelf to protect against wind and the elements. The top collapsed and dropped a ton of ice and now on them. If they were lying against each other, I could see how that might break ribs. The last guy dug them out, found zolotaryov was the least hurt. Then he tried to warm him up but both froze at that point.
@childpredatormissile I think you just nailed it - the scenario you describe is completely plausible and would explain all the crush injuries. Well done
Dumb
@@rollerhockey69king87 thanks
It seems rational but we still dont exactly know what exactly caused them to leave the tent during the night. You explanation doesn't really match the other details of what happened
@@cheerful_crop_circleif your camping buddies were being crushed by snow you would stay in your tent?? Let it go and actually start thinking realistically
There isn’t a single theory/explanation I’ve seen that adequately covers everything that happened here. It feels like there are definitely some pieces missing from the puzzle, meaning we’ll probably never be able to solve it!
avalanche covers 99,98% of the whole situation. It was definitely caused by an avalanche. If you think it wasnt caused by an avalanche then idk
@@cheerful_crop_circlean avalanche? They could still see their footprints in the snow 🤣🤣
@@GIBBO4182 That doesn't really make me doubt that it wasnt an avalanche. It was definitely an avalanche (but maybe a more specific type of avalanche that we cant exactly picture in our minds)
@@cheerful_crop_circle one that is large enough to crush you, but not cover up footprints? And from the things I’ve seen, those footprints weren’t even erratic, which they would be if you were running away from an incoming avalanche
@@GIBBO4182 The damage and injuries on all 9 hikers was similar to that as if they were crashed by a car , so it was definitely caused by an avalanche or other natural disaster
Thank you very much. Very interesting story and mysterious.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I shall not let watching this video Dyatlov Pass me by
Love the new sound effect in between parts of the video.
In reference to the radiation question. Having only the presence of Beta emitters on the clothing, and the sweater having twice the contamination of the pants (even though they were owned by two different people, supposedly), If the exposures of the clothing happened and the clothing had been washed subsequent, I could see it being there, but I'm pretty sure that anti-contamination clothing, or lab coats were in use at that time. The most common Beta emitting contaminants in the nuclear arms space would probably be strontium and cesium, both being found in processed fuels, and separated out in the waste stream of plutonium separation and recovery.
If one of them worked at a separation plant, I can see one of them getting a dose, but to the extent of it being noticeable, without the clothing being confiscated? That would have NEVER happened, even in the US nuke program, even back then. And one does wonder WHY the search parties, or even the coroner had the kind of equipment to even detect such things. They are not exactly common, or inexpensive enough for random people to "just have them".
If the Dyatlov party had gone through a cloud of contaminates, EVERYONE would have evidence of contamination, and more likely have ALL manner of alpha, beta and gamma contamination. But if one of them worked in a nuclear fuels separation activity (explaining the single radiation type), I can see one or two items of clothing having some level of contamination on them, Given the Soviet Union's more lax standards of radiation safety.
That was the first question everyone who knows about radiation asked, when it came up. Why, did the search team even HAVE testing gear, let alone test for radiation. Unless there was something having to do with radiation nearby.
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43:38 I don’t know if I missed you saying this but this could just be pictures being taken to use the flash as a light, with the white lights just being snowflakes out of focus.
I really like your videos. Like your style. Great to see how much research you put into your productions. Very professional
In the part about Zolotariov (Золоторёв) u spoke a little about so-called (in the document) “Great Patriotic War” and made a joke saying that there is nothing patriotic in that war
Just wanted to clarify: “Great Patriotic War” is not a correct translation of the “Великая Отечественная Война»
With the translation of “Great” and “War” I don’t have an issue, but the Russian word “Otechestvo” (отечество), actually means “motherland”, and Russians call this war Otechestvennaya not because it was “patriotic” or good or anything like that, but because it touched the whole country very deeply, because every human fought and suffered and mourned in unison
Around 26,6 millions of innocent people died, 3 million people were trapped in the Siege of Leningrad without food and other basic things, starved to death for 3 years (which for me basically sounds like genocide), so this joke lacked background check and was kinda inappropriate
(Almost every single government on this planet sucks, making very questionable political decisions, but citizens are not responsible for the insanity of the people above (especially when they never even chose those people, because they are not aloud to voice their opinions or else they’re gonna get killed or thrown in jail and then killed😇🤙))
Anyway the video is great. Thx, love your content 💗
I'm here to express my respect for this comment, thank you ❤
Many people, especially English speaking people, tend to forget the Latin origin of some of their words. "Patriotic" is derived from the Latin word "patria" - meaning "Fatherland" or "Land of the Fathers". So if you do a patriotic thing, you do a thing that is beneficial for the land of your fathers, i. e. your own country. In that sense, the English translation is correct when you keep the literal meaning of the word "patriotic" in mind. The German translation for "Great Patriotic War" - "Großer Vaterländischer Krieg" ("War on behalf of the land of the fathers") - is a bit more transparent and self-explaining in that regard.
Apart from that, I also want to thank you for your comment. As for the genocide, Hitler had indeed planned to exterminate the Slavic people whom he deemed to be "subhuman" in order to make room for the people of a perceived "Aryan race" (cf. "Generalplan Ost" in Wikipedia). So it does not just "basically sound like genocide", as you put it - it literally was a genocide, or at least an attempt of genocide. Special units ("SS-Einsatzgruppen") were tasked with deliberately killing, raping, torturing the civilian population and burning and looting their villages.
In a sinister twist of history, the fact that the people(s) of Russia suffered and sacrificed the most during the reign of Hitler is overshadowed by the pure evilness of the Soviet Regime and the post-war occupation of Eastern Europe. Nonetheless, it was the Red Army that took the brunt of the fighting and lost by far the most soldiers (cf. "World War II casualties" in Wikipedia). Not trying to defend Communism here, but as you said, one should never confuse the ordinary people with the government or leadership of a country.
Loved this series on Dyatlov pass
Excellent! Thanks!