The Power of Reciprocal Thinking in Chess
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2019
- In 'Imagination in Chess,' Paata Gaprindasvhili describes reciprocal thinking as follows: "After noticing an idea and briefly familiarizing ourselves with it, we proceed to its detailed examination. What do we do if we find that it doesn't work? Do we discard it and try another one, and then the next one and so on? Then do we come back to the first one, and study it more closely? This is hardly sensible. If we fail to make an idea work, we need to stop and ascertain the cause of failure (e.g. answer the question "why?"), and then attempt to correct our design." This is an example of reciprocal thinking from a 2013 game I played at the Noel Skleton Open.
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My students ought to remember this one ;)
FEN for those who want to play around with the position: 8/1b2kppp/p3p3/1pp1P3/2n2P2/3Q2P1/PPP1N2P/4qBK1 b - - 0 1
Can you kindly do more puzzle on quiet moves but deadly
At least I knew the move this time!
John Bartholomew Hi John! Do you plan on doing something about Qd6 Scandi on chessable? It would be great! Keep up the good work!
@@JohnBartholomewChess As your student, you'll be happy to know I found both Ke8, and Bd5, and did ultimately decided on Ke8. It was difficult though because I really didn't want to move my king further away from the center, where it would have been well supported by that light-squared bishop.
jeez john you are producing content like crazy recently. love it
Paused video.. Found the Nd2 continuation.. My dreams were crushed by John sharing Qd6+ lol.
This kind of thinking is also powerful in life in general.
Completely agree.
So the idea is to not necessarily discard possible ideas because one continuation fails -- that doesn't mean the idea is bad. Thus we look for the cause of the issue and work around it.
I like it very much! Very clear explanation and something youd think is incredibly obvious but isnt necessarily.
Yes, exactly! Applying as much knowledge forward as possible.
Glad you liked the video and explanation.
Awww I was so sure I had it with Bishop d5. Oh well, just means I’ve got to practice more.
Bd5 is not a bad move at all, and it means that you understood that Qd6+ was a problem so you get the concept right wich is the most important
Consider how long you gave yourself to pick a move. For me, when deciding moves from a youtube video it's usually at blitz time. And to find Bd5 in a blitz game... that seems pretty good.
You sound like a pokemon trainer
John is just so wholesome. Great commentary, great explanation, great puzzle, great chess tip. I loved it and am excited for what's next!
John is the best teacher on the internet. I went from 1500 to 1800 on chess with friends (lol) and credit all improvement to his videos!
This is one of my favorite of all your videos! Awesome to see details into how you think and an order of operations for deciding moves.
I really improved a lot with your game analysis. With this one, got it to a whole new level. Thank you so much John.
John you are the best chess teacher ever, I learned so much from you Thank you!!!
What a great video, John. A powerful concept that can be applied to so much more than just chess. Thanks for continuing to put out such fantastic content!
The Best Video I have Seen. Learning how to Learn. Great Lesson. No Random confusion but clear decisive. Moves ..loved it 😊😊👍
I cannot thank you enough John! Your clarity of thought is unmatched.
Cheers, Krishnan!
The most instructive video from you since I learned about Chessable’s Scandi openings. Also please post more tournament videos, I loved seeing your Ginger Gm 3 game series OTB
This example is just outstanding! Thanks so much for sharing this key concept John!!
Such a nice change of pace in this puzzle video introducing a new way to think about problems nit just in chess but in life.
Very instructive John! Guys these free lessons weren't around when I started playing chess years ago. In fact a chess lesson of any kind would have been quite expensive.. Let's show masters like John our support for thier time and effort. This is quality work. Big Thanks John!! :)
First there was GJChess with opening hustling techniques, then there was Mato with his funny chess history lessons, then there was the fiery GingerGM with his brilliant intoxicated self-indulgent humor, and now here is John the chess scholar. Great job, keep it coming!
It's such a satisfying thing to make a move like this..great vid, keep up the good work!
That was exactly what I was looking for
Thanks for uploading videos about chess books and the ideas within them. Simple ideas like this one are easy to grasp and the books you mention are great also!
Great topic and video John. The second chapter of my book coming out in July (Chess Logic in Practice) is called Reciprocal Logic, while the first is on Progressive Thinking, another Imagination in Chess concept. A lot of players, even up to Grandmaster, really loved this topic but wanted to see it elucidated more deeply and how to apply it more, including Aagaard. I also discussed it in the context of positional ideas, not just tactical solutions. I hope the examples and explanations I gave do that justice.
Paata Gaprindashvili has already written on this stuff.
@@musical_lolu4811Did you miss the comment? "another Imagination in Chess concept." That book was written by Paata Gaprindashvili. "A lot of players, even up to Grandmaster, really loved this topic but wanted to see it elucidated more deeply and how to apply it more, including Aagaard." It would have been nice if the Gaprindashvili book went into more detail and showed how to apply the thought process more, so I greatly appreciate John and Erik giving useful insight into how to improve our thought process in chess, delving into some of the hardest aspects of chess thinking with much-needed additional content and applications.
Superb video, John. Thank you kindly.
You're the man John, I'm dedicating my future first tournament victory to you :)
Wonderful analysis -- terrific approach.
Pretty sure getting this puzzle right is my best ever/only ever chess achievement. Really interesting idea though John, great stuff!
My first thought was 1...Be4 2.Qxe4 Qxf1+ 3.Kxf1 4.Nd2+. Sacrifice a bishop and then the queen, yesss! Unfortunately nothing accomplished. Then I found 1...Nd2 but needed 2 minutes to see the reply 2.Qd6+. Third thought was indeed 1...Bd5 but 2.Nc3 plus 3.Nxd5+ was quite obvious. After spending around 20 minutes in total and having my thoughts revolved around a lot of unfruitful lines my wife called me for dinner. Returned to the computer afterwards and nearly instantly saw 1...Ke8. Sometimes you need a pause and a fresh start (unfortunately not really applicable in time-restricted games).
Great video, John.
this thought process has helped me a lot during games of my own. even still, i suck so i still lose lol. this is a very interesting video concept and the video was amazing. great work! also thank you. much love from Minnesota!
Thanks John for the video .
I must say that you are very good at explaining .
This is quite an awesome video. :D The quote even applies to other domains of strategy, not just chess, so then it makes this particular situation you applied the quote to a source of analogy for application to other domains (eg. strategy for building a software application -- which is something I engage a lot with too!).
Really good stuff, John. Keep it coming! :D
A great example to demonstrate a great idea! As soon as you put Ke8 on the board it all clicked
Very nice video. I've instantly improved since I applied this thinking process in my games
Great video! I got the partial credit. I did think briefly about the move Ke8 but dismissed it because I didn't calculate far enough and didn't realize the speed of black's threats. I need to get better both at reciprocal thinking, as well as calming myself down while thinking about my opponent's counterplay. Very instructive video, all the work you've put in has helped my chess immensely
Ke8! what a delicious move, beautiful game John
Really appreciate the daily dose of videos 🙏
This is honestly a Chess Fundamentals video! Love it.
Really learned something in this one, thanks so much! 👍👍👍👍
Only just found this 2 year post...a good lesson. Thank you.
Thank you for these instructive lessons, Mr. Bartholomew! I'll show puzzles to my students (I'm only 1750+, though I enjoy coaching beginners) where, let's say a Knight fork is eminent, though the opposition has an obvious defense. They tell me, "I want to play this, though they can play that". I oftentimes tell them to MAKE the Knight fork happen. Just because you can't immediately play a move does not mean you should dismiss it forever. Just never thought of it as reciprocal thinking haha! Thank you for the instructive content, and I'll see you next video! ;-)
You never 'make' anything happen in chess, dude. You FIND, by the logic of forcing moves, if a move works or not.
One of the best topics covered by John till date💜💜
Good vid. Yeh I saw Nd2 but immediately spotted Qd6+. So the key was stopping the check. All very logical.
Damn, John, you're a chess streaming MACHINE. Thanks for putting out so many videos recently, I watched them all!
Really appreciate that. Cheers!
Everyone loves this book, myself included! Liking these short videos of yours on specific themes and ideas
Thanks for your feedback, Zeljko! I'll make more of these short instructional vids.
Really like these analyses of key positions and the idea of reciprocal thinking. I got satisfied when I found Bd5 and saw Nc3 but missed Nxe5 in my excitement.
I know that you're not the best chess player in the world but you definitely has the best charisma for any chess player I've ever seen. Keep it coming and love your 24/7 positive attitude 👍
Skills required to be a good chess content producer:
- Be good at chess.
- Work hard and consistently.
- Have a positive attitude.
- Be able to produce useful and interesting content for your audience, who are mostly not titled players.
- Many more.
So agreed. John isn't the best chess player, but he's bloody good, and he's also very good in all the other categories.
Agadmator is another one. He is rated about 1,800 FIDE I think. But he has a lot of charisma and makes interesting videos that connect well with his audience. Most of which are rated between 1,400 - 1,800 FIDE.
And if you want to go even further down the rating ladder, we have the backyard professor. I don't think he's even rated 1,300 FIDE but he makes engaging and interesting videos, using the help of the book moves but also still being able to explain the reasoning behind moves. He just lacks tactical ability, but this doesn't mean he can't be a useful teacher.
This is the most helpful video about chess I have ever watched.
This is gold, thanks John!:)
Best chess channel on UA-cam, period.
The only moves that I considered were Be4 and Bd5. I eventually discarded Be4 because I determined that Qxe4, Qxf1+, Kxf1, Nd2+, king move, and Nxe4 is okay for White, and if Qxe4, Nd2, there is Qg2. Therefore, I ultimately chose Bd5 --- but Ke8 is a nice touch! Excellent video.
Such an informative video! I'm guilty of jumping from candidate move to candidate move as soon as I find an easy counter for the opposition. Thanks for this!
This also reminded me of what Matthew Sadler said in one of his AlphaZero videos where the strength of A0 comes from its ability to calculate extremely deep lines as opposed to Stockfish's ability to evaluate a ton of positions at any given time
Thanks for that. That was a very interesting example. It shows that the question 'what can my opponent do?' is just as important as 'what can I do?'
interesting segment like the way you put everything together very instructional in the game of chess and life, this can be applied. thank you
Thanks for that John!
duuude this is huge! thanks so much!
Would love to see more videos on the thinking/analysis process in chess.
When see a good move, check if it really works by guessing what the opponent will do. If there is a way for the opponent to stop my plan, see a way to revise, not cancel the whole plan.
Thank you.
This is immensely helpful. Thank you.
An eye-opening video, thank you!
Nice video john
So thinking backwards. Not just in chess, but that's probably the most important problem solving tool out there. Hell it is by far the most important problem-creating tool out there as well.
Love your videos!
John back on the video roll.
Nice! Can you give us more video's where you use this thinking pattern
Very instructive, i never saw 1-...Ke8!, and it was even harder considering the many failing tempting possible moves for black. After seeing the obvious 1-...Nd2 2-Qd6+ i understood the problem and i immediately came up with 1-...Be4 2-Qxe4...Qxf1+ but then 3-Kxf1...Nd2+ 4-Kf2...Nxe4 and not only it´s pretty drawish but 5-Ke3 traps my knight and forces 5-...f5 and now after 6-exf6+...Nxf6 white it´s the only one with winning chances.
Awesome video John! My thought process was exactly in the same order: Nd2, Bd5 - oops Nc3 is annoying, and the Ke8! Nice move. I guess Ke8 is the Reciprocal of Bd5. RECIPRO-CEPTION!
Thanks John,i did learn something here.
Paata would be proud... time to get that imagination flowing ;)
*Edit- I made my earlier post before watching your vid but am not surprised you explained where this concept can be found. I picked up this book after you had suggested it in an earlier stream. For those who are wondering what the book is like, the author breaks down how we usually approach problems and then gives alternative approaches, such as progressive thinking first, then reciprocal thinking, imagination, etc. For example, he will outline progressive thinking and then you must solve tactical puzzles. I think there were 752 puzzles in the book. The author doesn’t break down the thinking technique more than a few paragraphs of description and some diagrams to illustrate the point, then the puzzles hammer everything home. The solutions are provided for each puzzle at the end of the book, along with who played the game and when. Besides the correct line, he also gives the next most logical deviation and why it won’t work. I recommend setting up a board for each puzzle but don’t move the pieces to find the solutions. Limit yourself to what you can do during a game and practice your visualization skills. Good book and definitely helpful for a wide rating range as the puzzles vary in difficulty
I really enjoyed this video! Thank you :)
I think that it is important to point out the other alternative besides the checks on h8 and g8 after Qxh7. If after 1.Ke8! Qxh7 2.Nd2 Qh3 defending the f1 bishop, then 3.Bf3, threatening Bxe2 by exploiting the pinned bishop on f1. It is also important to note that if white plays 3.Nc3 to avoid being captured, a swift 4.Qe3# follows. White is lost in this continuation as well.
I always found the move u told and then the next till u got to king e8 xd Great Vid!
Exactly the same.
Loved the video, gold for students! 😃
You showed this at the camp last year, correct? I liked this one a lot
Good memory, Zak! Thanks for the positive feedback - see you in July :)
I too guessed Bd5 -- I didn't look far enough and see how Nc3 could be annoying. Important reminder to consider all of the opponent's resources!
I celebrate every new fins video with a nice glass of wine. John, I am running low on wine.
Very helpful, thanks!
This is why i love long-time chess, it provokes our brain to find many2 possibilities!
Love your channel tho! Keep going and spread chess more intensely ~
Really great video man, thank you :)
I try and do this a lot, but usually by the time I'm ready to eliminate Problematic Piece X, the situation has changed so much that it's no longer a particularly problematic piece.
Wow. Nice video. Thanks very much.
Thanks for this great chess lesson!
wow John ur content is concentrated continue, your channel will take off
John you're the best
I'll use this idea at the tournament this weekend
Hey John, I have been watching your videos for about 2 years now! I do not play in many rated tournaments as I am a full time student. My USCF is only a little over 1000 but I’ve been told I play at an 1800 strength. I study quite often (maybe 2-4 hours a day). I guess the purpose of this comment was to ask if you offered online lessons? I live in a different state but you are very knowledgeable and appear to be a very good teacher!
Hello there! I do indeed offer lessons, although I have a waiting list at present. Please click on my "About" page and then "For business inquiries."
Interesting that this video was posted. I have been using something kind of like reciprocal thinking lately to slightly improve my tactics rating. Asking myself "Okay, I have this move in mind, but why might it not work?"
That's regular thinking, without that you'll just be mindlessly attacking things. Reciprocal thinking is "I see why this doesn't work... but can I make it work?".
Great video!
Nice video, will help me, thank you
Ke8, Qxh7 Nd2, Qh8+ Kd7, Qh3 Nf3 might have been a line worth showing as well, but great video nonetheless, very instructive!
What a wonderful video, John
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Ke8!!! What a move, i only got to the first level of seeing Nd2.
Great video.
You my G homie!
Awesome video
This is so good.
Very nice!
Alright, I'm taking a shot at it before the solution is presented. My guess is Nd2 Nc3 is forced, b4 Na4 Be4 Qe2 Nf3+?
Edit: wow, what an interesting puzzle! I completely overlooked that move. Thanks for the video John!
Well done in giving it an honest effort! I'm sure A LOT of viewers will choose 1...Nd2, so you're definitely not alone. Thanks for watching, Sheldon!
John get your damn GM norms out of the way already! I'm ready to have some content from GM John Bartholomew!!!
Excellent
Interesting how I found Bd5, but after deciding that failed, I completely gave up on preventing Qd6+.