2024 National Day 2! The Dealers Are IMPOSSIBLE To Work With!
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- In this video I take you with me to Day 2 of The National card show! I tried to make some deals with dealers but the prices were WAY too high and most weren't willing to negotiate so I made deals other people attending the show. I also attended a Panini box battle. I hope you enjoy!
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The "Dealers" sound like they are not dealers but Gougers....
Had same experience. Spent 3 days on the floor. Offered 100% comp's. Made 1 deal with a dealer. Made multiple reasonable deals (both buying and selling) downstairs in the "VIP" area. Show was also way too heavy on vintage. At least 65% vintage if not more. I suspect when they stopped allowing dealers to re-sell their tables it cut out a lot of the modern dealers and new dealers who would be more reasonable to work with. The vintage was WAY over priced. It was a "show and tell" and not a card show. I was also shocked at DA and Blowout running Series 2 Hobby for $180 just because National Pack redemption. Predatory pricing.
Vintage is awesome. I will never own anything after 1973. I only collect 1957 thru 1973 baseball and football.
Vintage is by far the best bet. Modern cards are insanely overpriced and almost ALWAYS lose value. A player has to over perform at a crazy level for cards to hold value or increase over time. Vintage cards consistently increase in prices over time. Take Jordan Star Co. cards.. 1984-85 #101 BGS 9s about to crack 100k in pricing. All of his star cards from 84-85 are skyrocketing.
I feel like the national is for buying cards you can’t find on eBay often
You think so? Never been but thought u would be able to get below comp and save on taxes on shipping still
I was looking for 3 cards in AC. PSA10's in 2003 Topps Jeter, 2012 & 2014 Chrome refractor Trout. Nobody had them. I did see 100 1952 Mantles and half a dozen 2001 bowman Pujols auto rcs...
@@hectorortiz91he is saying stuff you literally never see on eBay
I agree
@@cklimowicz with baseball cards rarity doesn’t equate to more money. It’s a weird hobby.
For many years the Dealers at the national have always been impossible to work with. And to make it worse if you're walking around trying to sell stuff to the same dealers who are 5x comps on their own cards, they are hypercritical when buying paying way under comps... Complete un-logical way of thinking
The hobby is a a point where products are costing 5 to 10 times more than they did 10 years ago but the value of the cards coming out haven’t changed so in return dealers and sellers are forced to ask high. In return as buyers it’s hard to budge from comps crazy times
I don’t think dealers are forced to ask high when they buy cards for 50-70%, I think they are just getting too greedy and want 125% of comps
@@stevenzindel4252 fair I just think these makers of card have inflated the markets and it’s hard to have fun in wax these days. Because at the end of the day there’s nothing like pulling a card
@@stevenzindel4252you’re exactly right. These dealers and shops are buying at 60-70% of the cards’ worth but not budging. I just buy on eBay auctions. Only way to get steals. The hobby I’ve spent my whole life in turned corporate and never looked back
The value of the cards coming out “hasn’t changed”?? You have ZERO clue…
I went to the National for the first time last year and ran into the exact same thing. Maybe I just had bad luck, but I was shocked at how overpriced that everything was.
It was tough sledding at the Nationals this year. Very unorganized unfortunately & I didn’t enjoy the experience quite as much as I did at last year’s National.
If you go to the National expecting deals on rare cards or memorabilia, good luck, dealers have never been known to cut deals, especially on the first few days. The best day to get deals would be on Sunday. Those who haven't sold much or want to have less to carry home will make deals, but of course by then the good stuffs been picked over already.
Last National I went to was Atlantic City. Same problem there. Enjoyed looking but bought nothing. There was no budging at all by dealers.
I was after a Ja Morant that a dealer had listed for 1800. Last 3 comps were 1100, 950, 1050. He wouldn't budge from 1800 cause "his stuff is gonna go up". Just crazy
The dealers think they r prognosticators and to be honest, morants stuff took a hit after he got suspended and hasn’t fully recovered…and to be honest I’m not sure it will
lol they’ll say anything. I think we all buy high and sell low lol.
I was there on Saturday, and your not wrong! I seen bargen bin were they were charging 10 on base Brady cards! Shit was wild!
That being said there were plenty of amazing dealers and I made some outstanding deals at the show
National is always going to be higher priced. It's not like going to a local show. The only way to get deals at the national is to go through bargain boxes and try to find something in there.
Or trade night. A room filled with collectors looking to make deals who couldn’t get a deal done with dealers and their overpriced cards lol
sticker prices are very high at the nat'l but i had decent success negotiating down to comp value especially sat/sun late in show
Best advice is when you roll up on a dealer, check their prices on cards you know. If they are crazy high just move on. There are many people who are reasonable. I always got something off the top on what I bought….
It was really nice meeting you man and like I said when I met you there I agree. So many of the dealers wouldn't work with you. A Peja Auto that goes for $8 they wanted $35 and wouldn't budge. After that tried getting a Maris which comps for $75. Guy wanted $600 and said well it books at $900 so thats a great deal. Who still uses book value? I really hope Chicago is better.
had the same experience at Front Row Card show. Julius Erving auto last sale was $200 and dealer was asking $400, exact same card. They want what they paid and then some
Sorry to hear about the dealers that sucks
Yeah same experience. 110% comps no deals.
At my local card show here in Alabama I just ignore the big dealers and go to young guys or guys that are there with their kids selling cards etc and buy from them. The dealers are insanity prices, and are there just to steal cards from the unsuspecting independent sellers, ripping them off before the show even starts, for cards they can gouge everyone on ebay for later.
I live 15 minutes from the show. My first ever national and to be honest it did not seem to be run well. The parking and walking situation just unacceptable. Shocked they picked IX center.
I live in Akron. My buddy and I don’t think it will come to Cleveland again. If it does, I don’t know if it will be at the IX
Went 2 days and spent more in 45 minutes at trade night than I did both days at the national. Prices were at 150% and they barely budged. Most Dealers were ridiculous
I found 1 card I was really looking for. It was about 1500-1700 (about 55-60% above) over the last 2 that sold... in the exact same grade. That's far enough away for me to not even bother inquiring about whether they've 'got room' on it or not.
That’s what I’m saying. I found a few deals that were pretty good. Nothing that I could afford just outright. I was looking for McDavid YG. I found a number few that people wanted $2500, $1700 or so. One guy that was asking $1200. So that was a good sticker price. Most of the stuff I saw though, I didn’t even want to ask or make an offer for cause it wouldn’t be worth it.
Was there a couple days myself. For sure some dealers were just there to gouge.
Found a few though that were more than willing to deal. Had a few nice pick ups. Got some free stuff, Mike Piazza auto, sold a few things. Overall it was a good experience on my end.
The real value in going to the National is getting to see stuff you might not see elsewhere. I don’t know if I’ve ever gotten a deal, but then again, they pay a lot to be there.
there was a guy at the Louisville show with a collegiate immaculate Lamar /5 Louisville Cardinal Patch
To be fair, I see the last 10 did $225 and the one before that $212.
I think we are hitting the point where people are not going lower.
I have people all the time want my cards for 80-% of last comp and I am just not selling at that anymore. I generally by stuff that is less than pop 20, so I have a little more bargaining power.
At some point shits going to reverse and people are not going to sell for comp anymore and it will be in the opposite direction.
It’s always the same thing, if you don’t like the price, move along. Dealers have been nickel and dimed for the last few years and I think they are comfortable to say no.
NEO reported that dealers were having trouble keeping inventory and things were moving really fast.
@@colbybrand5326 I know there were some comps in the 200 range but raw was consistently around $100. If it’s $175 and you grade it even if it gets a 10 you’re not making anything at $175. Just doesn’t make sense.
About the same as local card shows...."dealers" pull a number out their ass and think somebody is going to pay it. They can have a $500 card and they want $850+. I personally dont care a dealer has to spend thousands to set up at the show.....not my problem. They not passing the buck on me. It seems for most people,its cheaper to sit on the toilet bowl and bid on ebay...than go to one of these shows. Its a room of sharks looking for a sucker.
I'm a dealer...yeah...it is YOUR problem. We can't sell it to you at the price you want. We would like to..but we can't...THIS is why I don't deal in cards. What I deal in, you can't "comp it' (as you ass card collectors are so fond of doing)...NOR does anyone "grade" it. Amen. Everything I deal in is one-of-a-kind. Non-gradeable...and NON-COMP. And I love it. And yes - I've done the National in Cleveland twice. Booths were expensive 20 years ago...can't imagine what hideous amount they are now. I stopped doing it because I wasn't making the money that it was worth my time...AND I'M LOCAL.
@user-tl7mj2bm4m Still not my problem;)
@@DEE-o4v😂🤡
@@DEE-o4vnobody is paying over what cards are worth, cry about it.
@@DEE-o4vI doubt that you’re a dealer.
Sports card collecting was fun up until 2000.
Glad I didn't go, too pricey for travel and prices seemed way too high.
I didn't have that experience. most guys have been "tough" but not unreasonable.
Man I’m with you. How do us peons buy cards at card shows? I pulled a bunch of $1 cards recently in a small city from $2-$5 boxes. Sticker was like $150+, I offered $40, he came back with $120 lol.
I guess you have to be Card Collector 2 to actually get what cards are worth. I don’t get it anymore
Easy to answer. I don't go to this overhyped shows, nor do I want to. 😅 sorry probably didn't help.
@@joshpitts25 lol it’s ok. It’s sad that this happens at smaller shows. I can understand big shows like the nationals.
That’s why you always see CC2 go back to the same dealers, he knows who to work with.
It's an interesting dynamic. I'm the opposite, having lots of $3-$5 cards in my dollar boxes. I even have boxes full of only numbered cards! I get overlooked at many shows because I am not one of the fancy dealers.
@@tmacfan161 see this I love. You should have $1-$5 cards in your dollar boxes, with the occasional find of $10-$20.
The dealers this year sucked. Wouldn't even cut deals on the value boxes hardly. 😂
Had the same issue with dealers there. Got a couple at good value but otherwise I would rather do some of the smaller shows for extra deals.
@10:11 that's a guy from LI. Super cool to deal with. Fellow dealer out here.
steals exist on eBay too you know just because the psa 10 richardson did $180 doesnt mean its worth $180, buyer got a steal there
If you even asked for near market price you got shunned. You had to sell at rip off prices to actually make a deal with a dealer.
Thanks for the overviews man!! Great to see it from your perspective! Curious, maybe I missed it, but, why do you think the dealers were so hard to work with? Just hoping they can fool people in crazy prices?
Great segment! I'm going to start watching your clips! Thanks for sharing!!
95% of the cards I saw were 15 to 25% cheaper on eBay.
Some people just go there to show off their cards.
Don't think I would ever go to any National, why? So I can pay more for cards I can find at my LCS after they bring back their inventory. I will literally save THOUSANDS of dollars and stress and hit up my LCS the following week. Patience is the virtue & you will save TONS of 💰 👊
Charging more for a raw card than what it's worth in a PSA 10 is a absolute joke lol,I really I really wanted to come to this I'm glad I stayed home and kept my money in my pocket overpriced price gougers is what it looks like 😂😂😂
Go to your local card shows and hobby shops for bargain boxes and great deals. The National is awesome for certain things but deals on mid to high end cards it not one of them. The table rental prices at the National are insane and they need to make money somehow.
Seems like all the high profile UA-cam people always get good deals it seems they have no problem getting deals done
Your so right
Flip side of the argument though, why sell Anthony Richardson low? If he blows up his cards will skyrocket. I wouldn’t care what previous sales were with something like that. Kind of a bad example.
Because an item is only worth what it’s worth. You can’t exactly make a deal off what could be.
Good point. Also, if I’m looking at the right card, there are currently none listed on eBay. Probably should have bought them when they were still available.
Only thing bad about national the dealers are usually over priced
@@derekstine937 I agree but this year was another level
@@502frank7 thanks for sharing the adventure
The National will always be higher priced. You cannot expect to get bundle deals or room on singles, when dealers are paying extraordinary high prices for tables as well as flights, hotel stay etc. to set up there. They have to make up the cost somehow.
@@JBCards-nn9zi I understand that. I’ve been to a few nationals. This one was on another level.
Regional shows you make moves. You only go to the National if your a collector or looking for absolute steals no in between
I’ve boycotted going to any national for overpriced dealers. It’s a waste of travel costs , food hotel to go there and walk out with nothing. I can go the shopping mall and walk out with nothing for free 😂😂
I definitely found some decent deals, but majority of the cards I saw weren’t very reasonable to even want to make someone an offer. I tried to start an offer for a Bedard PSA 10 and the dude just pushed my cards back and said no thanks once I made him an offer to start. The hobby is in a bad place and I really hope it hits a breaking point. It honestly needs to a major hit.
If you walked up to my table with a what not wrist band on i would charge you 10 prices for raw too!
@@orangecrush4319 hey dum dum those wristbands were how you got into the show.
The hobby has been ruined by exclusive licenses & "investors".
Hell yeah watching from jeffersonville glad you got some hoosiers to get something done
Dealers are trying to squeeze the market. Eventually prices will go thru the roof or atleast that is what they are thinking. Over comps is cool if they are hard to find cards.
The best deals and fair trades happen between people bot with dealers at the show lol sooo funny
The dealers pay too much for tables that's why they will not deal, dealers are greedy.
Seems like the dealers don’t budge unless you’re talking mid 4 figure cards
"It's all good" lol
The National has always been this way where dealers are overpriced. If going to the National beware of what you’re getting yourself into.
Most dealers are there to display their cards not to make deals. Deals are made at trade nights.
They're going to strangle the market again.
Do silver packs come in hockey or is that only in basketball or football & baseball
@@surfclam89 upper deck has hockey packs
So disappointed in the show this year. Seems like dealers didnt bring their best stuff and most were overpriced. Good vintage stuff. Grafeful it exists tho. Your right the food area was the best location at the show to buy/trade. Parking and traffic wasnt too bad. Trade night location was horrible and tough to walkaround. Low ceilings/ poor lighting and too many obstacles everywhere ruining the experience. Banners/basktball hoops/a stage/dj/ vendors in a tight space. All unnecessary.
PSA 10's should be devalued, no consistency.
I am sick of dealing with vendors and flippers. The buying experience is pure garbage.
Terms like "liquidity" were never heard in the hobby prior the boom. Who's actually collecting?
The National is becoming a show just to buy ultra grail cards, like Mantle rookies.
Love the channel! Keep up the good content.
This has to be the "World's Biggest Sausage Fest!" Holy shit..😂😂😂😂😂
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The price is the price. “Well last one sold for…..”. Try to have a conversation w the dealer instead of educating him.
Um...what's there to converse about other than the price? If I think your price is too high and provide evidence to support my argument and you state some bullshit logic about why actual data is somehow invalid then we have nothing to discuss.
@@jmaxiu0204 ngmi
@@jmaxiu0204 it’s all about how you come across. Don’t shove your phone at me and tell me what the last comps were. I don’t deal w those dudes.
Card shows suck. I stick to ebay, ive never had luck at big shows.
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Was it blazing hot in the building like last year?
@@BigJMoney82 it was warm but nowhere close to last year
Dealer could have been into the card high & didn’t want to lose $. Funny how everyone wants cards for basically nothing but if a dealer charges extra he’s being unreasonable. Also knowing that you do all your buying & selling with other collectors and not the dealers who spent thousands to be there is very disheartening.
I really don't care how much they spent to be there. The only difference in attendance cost between an attendee and a dealer is the cost of the table. Flight/gas, hotel and food apply to both sides of the table equally. If you want to charge extra and you want me to pay that premium it better be something pretty tough to find anywhere else. An AR Prizm Break Blue Ice /99 doesn't meet that threshold.
Silver boxes went to the bigger UA-cam ers. / scalpers. Nuff said
@@joshpitts25 what are silver boxes?