Naturalism and Artifice, Thinking About Pictorialism

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  • @T.fellaman
    @T.fellaman 6 місяців тому +1

    If anyone studied the history of photography they would never say they disliked pictorialism. Bravo for your wonderful video.

  • @RoryPattonDreamerOfDunsidhe
    @RoryPattonDreamerOfDunsidhe Рік тому +1

    Eye opening and inspiring. I think I need to study this further. I had never heard of Pictorialism and only found this because I accidentally clicked on the wrong thumbnail. Thank you.😎

  • @lymemj
    @lymemj Рік тому

    Thank you for this video. I am studying a Bachelor in Photography at SNHU and this week our topic is "Pictorialism". Your video is interesting and has many outstanding samples. Appreciate it! (Pictorialism will never die with photographers that want to be artistic, my opinion!)

  • @Tyrell_Corp2019
    @Tyrell_Corp2019 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks. That was a pleasure to watch. And to boot... refreshing compared to the hyper clinical look that most photographers strive for in digital.

  • @richardcressey5854
    @richardcressey5854 6 років тому +15

    'Pictorialism is far from dead' It's alive and thriving in the advertising and fashion industries. If only Photoshop had been available to O J Rejlander and Henry Peach Robinson. This is a really valuable video.

    • @lyva
      @lyva 4 роки тому +2

      Sometimes limitations breed creativity :)

    • @geoffreypiltz271
      @geoffreypiltz271 Рік тому

      Rejlander's composite photos are amazing productions. The Photoshopping of its time.

  • @divinerdetective44
    @divinerdetective44 Рік тому +1

    Watching this 5 years after it was posted, and I love the style of this photographic genre. Your friend must have been a very good friend indeed to lend his book, I can tell you it's big bucks online.💲💲💲 I even can't get a copy through my local library or inter library loan, must be pretty special.

  • @JohnLarryGroff
    @JohnLarryGroff 6 років тому +4

    Brilliant! Thank you for this marvelous study that inspires me want to learn and appreciate this artform even more.

  • @ahoyhere8113
    @ahoyhere8113 2 роки тому +1

    this is wonderful… put words to a feeling i couldn’t express, and taught me a bunch of places to learn more and appreciate more.

  • @gongorelocksmagiincommand
    @gongorelocksmagiincommand 3 роки тому +1

    the absence of clarity and the kind of messiness that comes with this sort of photography is wholly indispensable to me. And I adore it.

  • @anisharaujo5379
    @anisharaujo5379 5 місяців тому

    Beautiful video, really a lot of knowledge from Don

  • @filmic1
    @filmic1 Рік тому

    I really enjoyed that. I worked my way through Whelan's 'Alfred Stieglitz, A Biography". This lecture is quite reflective of this. Haven't had the courage to dive into Edward Steichen's tome yet.

  • @DanielRustad
    @DanielRustad 6 років тому +3

    Oh John, this is wonderful! You constantly open my eyes to new things. Or old in this case. :)

    • @JohnThornton
      @JohnThornton  6 років тому +2

      Thanks Daniel! I hadn't seen this before visiting my friend's house. I love it!

  • @c10_c10
    @c10_c10 2 роки тому +1

    Fantastic video! Very informative and educational.

  • @peterhart8275
    @peterhart8275 6 років тому +1

    Another wonderful and informative film John, thanks very much.

  • @alexfxlll
    @alexfxlll 3 роки тому +1

    End quote is beautiful! I couldn’t agree more

  • @jensarne5773
    @jensarne5773 Рік тому +1

    Thank you very much!

  • @BarondelaPlumeDorèe
    @BarondelaPlumeDorèe 4 роки тому +2

    This is a must see for anyone getting into photography as an art.

  • @warpedmotion
    @warpedmotion Рік тому

    Thanks for the intersting video. I am wondering does anyone know who created the image at 6:56 in.

  • @rodolfolarrea8493
    @rodolfolarrea8493 Рік тому

    he is the funniest guy i have seen in a while … fantastics photographic work

  • @LuneFlaneuse
    @LuneFlaneuse Рік тому +1

    These photographs are precious 🤍

  • @stephenlangton6711
    @stephenlangton6711 6 років тому +1

    Thanks to Don Camera for his insights and passions..and making this work come alive for us today...

  • @letmebereal
    @letmebereal Рік тому

    Good stuff, love the music.

  • @arcofprado
    @arcofprado 6 років тому +5

    your videos have far to little views. This level of editing and research paired with stunning artwork merit hundreds of thousands of views. Your are creating QUALITY content!!!! Thank you!!!

    • @JohnThornton
      @JohnThornton  6 років тому +1

      God bless you Martin, you are far too kind! I love making my movies about art and artists, it is so nice of you to give me some encouragement!

    • @suzannabienkowski2033
      @suzannabienkowski2033 4 роки тому

      Absolutely amazing!! Thank you kindly. I remember studying that one b/w photo, where a pepper is portrayed something akin to the human body. Or was it vice versa? Been too long really. Watching this body of work, again and again, I find I can learn something new every single time. I even shared it with others. Great job! Keep up the good work.

  • @smk1189
    @smk1189 3 роки тому

    Great Job. Thank you.

  • @johnmartin4650
    @johnmartin4650 2 роки тому

    Excellent stuff……thank you…..dec. 2022 ..

  • @lordoftheflings
    @lordoftheflings 4 роки тому

    wow. fantastic video. Thanks!

  • @PerMoenCaptain
    @PerMoenCaptain 5 років тому

    Thank you for a great vid,so inpiriring for me.

  • @elrico1364
    @elrico1364 6 років тому

    exceptionally beautiful stuff !

  • @PeacePham1991
    @PeacePham1991 3 роки тому +1

    Is it accurate to say that most fine art photographers do today is pictorialism? Of course the photos they produce now don't look similar to the pictorialistic photos from back then because we now use different tools and techniques (or use the same techniques but in a different way) but in term of the definition, we also do emphasis on the beauty of the subject, tonality (colors), composition, lighting... rather than just simple documented photographs, or straight-out-of-the-camera photos

  • @sputumtube
    @sputumtube Рік тому

    It's funny that many of these images can be re-created with even the simplest digital photo-software. I once used Arcsoft Photostudio 5 and created some very 'dreamy' images by just slightly 'de-focusing' and adding 'grain'.

  • @oldschoolcollodion
    @oldschoolcollodion 5 років тому +1

    That digital image with the coal maker, so good

  • @thomaseriksson6256
    @thomaseriksson6256 2 роки тому

    Good one thanks

  • @MarylandDroneMedia
    @MarylandDroneMedia 3 роки тому

    Beautiful

  • @geoffreypiltz271
    @geoffreypiltz271 Рік тому

    Landscape remains the single most popular subject among the wider public.

  • @samanthacamera1544
    @samanthacamera1544 6 років тому +1

    This is fantastic! I really hope pictorialism is not dead.

  • @JRileyStewart
    @JRileyStewart 6 років тому

    Helpful review. Well done.

  • @sigvardbjorkman
    @sigvardbjorkman 3 роки тому

    Photo at 10:11?

    • @sigvardbjorkman
      @sigvardbjorkman 3 роки тому

      Any link to a pinterest board of these photos or something like that? Great video by the way!

  • @mark-de-leeuw
    @mark-de-leeuw 4 роки тому

    Love the end quote ' Pictorialism is far from death'.

    • @suzannabienkowski2033
      @suzannabienkowski2033 4 роки тому

      Agree! Most excellent quote, and one that I copied and will cherish, as well as pass on to others.

    • @Moodboard39
      @Moodboard39 Рік тому

      Never dead

  • @BrunoChalifour
    @BrunoChalifour Рік тому +1

    Great reflection on Pictorialism and above all thank you for all the examples. Probably the first time we are allowed to see so many. But please, write the credits at the bottom of each image and not just a "partial list" at the end that does not mean anything as there is no way for the viewer to associate photograph and photographer. It would show respect to the photographers (and the law) and help educate your audience. Two little things that should be clarified:
    1-Léonard Misonne cannot be "considered one of the inspirers of what would become Pictorialism. He started photography in the 1890s and only dedicated himself to the medium from 1896 on. Julia Margaret Cameron's work had long been known. P.H. Emerson had published "Photography, a Pictorial Art" in 1866. Pictorialist circles had already been created in Austria and Englan in 1891. In fact Misonne learnt part of his technique with French Pictorialist Constant Puyot around 1910 and carbon printing with the renowned Fresson (also in Paris).
    2-John Heartfield's political collages have far more to do with the Russian avant-garde of the 1910s-1920s than any Pictorial influence. Some key arguments are that his work uses collages and not combined printing in the darkroom; it is essentially political (something that almost no Pictorialist was); it is totally anchored in contemporary/modern life (especially politics) which, as presented in this video, was far from most Pictorialists' preoccupations. I would argue that Heartfield's work has simply nothing to do with pictorialism as a current in photography.

  • @suzannabienkowski2033
    @suzannabienkowski2033 4 роки тому

    And Luc Sante.

  • @eljin00
    @eljin00 Рік тому

    Pictorialism is not what the artist envisions but rather what the artist sees.

  • @HalkerVeil
    @HalkerVeil 2 роки тому

    I don't know why but I feel like I just want to have a beer with these guys.

  • @Moodboard39
    @Moodboard39 Рік тому

    Abstract, symbolism

  • @galerie291parisphotographi4
    @galerie291parisphotographi4 6 років тому

    Exposition PICTORIALISME du 27 octobre au 1er décembre du mercredi au samedi de 14h30 à 20h Galerie 291 Paris 32 rue de la Gaité 75014 métro Gaité

  • @_H_2023
    @_H_2023 5 років тому +2

    This is what will kill digital photography, the desire to make everything so pin , pin sharp - 13:12

  • @withadogthroughlife903
    @withadogthroughlife903 8 місяців тому

    Отвратительный голос у рассказчика 😢