Very well explained . Ive experienced this very thing . On a 20 tonne Cat excavator we had a thumb installed and used a old Hitachi boom lift ram off a 10 tonne Hitachi . The Hydraulic hose guy we got to plumb it up only used 3/8 hose and a 3/8 cross line relief valve . The bucket hoses on the Cat were 3/4 . When grabbing a lot of trees and rubbish the cylinder shattered in half. We replaced it and it did it again about a week later . We got and expert hydraulic man to take a look and he replaced everything with 1/2 inch and the problem went away . The oil just could not return fast enough through the 3/8 system . The danger of using people that know enough to be dangerous and a costly lesson . The technician that fix it said that it could have cause a spike as much as 20000 psi inside the cylinder . Just completely chopped it in half
Very informative and quite interesting. From your demonstration, it's easy to see how you could generate too much pressure in a hydraulic cylinder especially when it bottoms-out. A very dangerous situation. Thank you.👍🏽🤠 4/10/23
There actually is one very good reason to use a meter out flow control valve. If you have an overhung load on the cylinder (the load can pull or push the rod), with meter in, the load can produce a vacuum within the cylinder and travel unexpectedly. With meter out, it will be fluid locked and can not be pushed or pulled by the load. Much safer. Just use components capable of handling the pressure.
Great explanation! Very easy to understand this. Since there is less surface area of the side with the restrictor due to the piston rod, that side will build a higher fluid pressure to balance the push against both sides of the piston. However, I think that the less the restriction of flow, there is more relief to reduce the higher pressure differential. I find that there are one-way flow restrictors to eliminate need to a directional bypass. I had to subscribe.
Bravo.Clean and crystal clear 🤝 It would be a great help if you teach us how to manufacture a Double acting cylinder. With circuit Diagrams,Design & material selection.
ive watched this a few times, i understand your correct way of limiting the speed to the back of the cylender, but you only showed the 'wrong' way to attach the flow control valve to the top end. IS the correct way just the other way around? (if i want to limit the retraction speed - to make them the same) i'm hoping to make my own little excavator. many thanks for these videos they are so great and helpful cheers from the UK o/
thanks sir, a very good idea.. we exploded one cylinder twice by giving more pressure in extraction and now only i came to knew why.. nice job. upload more videos.
My question is more about rotary actuator speed control not so much as linear. Quick question....most people discuss hydraulic motor RPM off the reference to an electric motor driven pump. I understand that hydraulic motor speed is established off volumetric flow. Since most pumps are driven off AC motors they tend to have a set RPM which in turn produces a set GPM output flow. This in turn results in the hydraulic motor having a set RPM if not controlled by some form of restriction valves. However, in the case of a gasoline or diesel power engine driving the hydraulic pump....don't we gain greater control over the RPM of the hydraulic motor, by controlling the engine RPM since that should change the GPM of the attached hydraulic pump?? I guess what I'm asking is if we slow down or speed up the RPM of the pump we would essentially be decreasing or increasing the supplied GPM at the motor and effect the speed.....correct??
Directional control valves are usually proportional, which means you can control the speed pretty well by the lever. In this case you definitely don't need any restriction valve that unnecessarily increases the pressure, that in turn heats up the oil, wastes energy and causes wear to the pump. And the answer to your question is Yes. - But by using a combustion engine you can't control the hydraulic motor from zero speed without a control valve.
Hi , by changing a bucket hydraulic cylinder ,do 8 have to bleed lines. I used my tractor to blow wet snow an things worked for about 5 hrs, then lost pto lift an bucket lift. Any thoughts on what I should look at to trouble shoot an fix. Thanks R9b
so meter out is not the way to go, it will increase the pressure, build up heat which is not good for the system i suppose, correct me if i am wrong, thanks.
very helpful videos, but i have challenges controlling the swing speed of an FFLB crane, i notice that there are variable voltage soleniods that also control speeds of hydraulic flow and cylinder movements. pls have you come across such solenoids??
How is the pump relieving pressure when the hand valve is in the neutral position? Is it going through the hand valve back into the tank, the red line?
Is there a way to reroute your ram end pressure line with a relief valve on return to valve bank that would push that oil straight back into the base end of the cylinder for a faster extending of the ram ?? Kinda like an ER system
This is a very informative video, especially with your real-world demonstration. But you should really use standard ISO symbols to represent all components. These standard symbols not only denote specific components, but also illustrate their functionality. This makes it immediately clear what specific type of valve we're using without having to define or explain anything. Also, standard terminology - like rod end and cap end - should be used in describing the cylinder instead of front and back. We all need to be able to communicate by speaking the same language.
Dear sir, Firstly if we close rod end of this piston then we put pr in a confined hydraulic so how pr is increases? Also as the system pr is same for area difference of the piston head end & rod end force is different but pr should be same. I still not understand how pr increases? Plz explain anyone.
I have a small trailer that has a hydrolic hand jack to raise turn lever and it goes down I am changing to a hydraulic cylinder with hoses to run back to valves on my sub compact tractor. What kind of cylinder do I look for to raise and lower bed ? Wagon capacity is 2000 lbs
Hi Roy, we would like to help you with your questions - we gathered questions, like this, for our live Q&A tomorrow. Join us there and we might answer this question for you: facebook.com/events/176497570992728/
Very good videos, have you changed your page as I notice you haven't posted any videos in a while? Also is this pressure increase ever used on purpose?
APT Specialist Hydraulics and Training is there a way of changing the rate of flow with out changing the the size of the pump or the motor that drives it. Or would you just have to change both to increase the speed of the cylinder?
Gary Hall yeah, the temperature increases because you are wasting energy. All the energy that is not used to perform work, will be transfomed into heat. It is way better to design a system where you do not need a flow regulator. If you need to, it is quite possible que you will have to install a heat exchanger
@@garyhall867 Yes when you tell the smart hydraulic oil to slam into the dumb hydraulic oil it creates friction which in turns raises the working temperature in the containment vessel..
I want to build a hydraulic system and I need t work out what size pump to use...I got a 6 horse power Kubota diesel...that is the starting point...I am building a log splitter maby one 30 ton cylinder ....do you have a video to explain
Cool! Ok so how do you maximize the speed in both directions (and have them at least the same) to get the fastest cycle times? Also, what effect does speeding up the cycle have on the max force that a cylinder can generate?
To maximize the speed in the extension direction you would have to adjust the circuit to make it a regenerative Circuit. Regenerative Circuits increase the extension speed of a double acting cylinder by taking return oil from the rod end and use it in the piston end to speed up extension. but in a regenerative circuit reduced cylinder force is a major disadvantage.
@@CustomHydraulics I don't know of any way to "adjust" a basic circuit into a regenerative circuit. You'd have to redesign it. Besides, a regen circuit is most effective only when the piston diameter to rod diameter ratio is greater than 2:1. The simplest way to achieve equal force for extension and retraction is a to use a double rod end cylinder-and it may not require redesigning the circuit. To achieve the same extension force as with the single rod end cylinder, you'd have to use a double rod end cylinder with a slightly larger bore. There are others ways, such as using a flow combiner, but they would require redesigning the circuit.
Is there a flow control valve to regulate even flow to 4 cylinders at once? I'm trying to make/operate 2 scissor lifts simultaneously to lift the rear of a truck up 20" to dock height. So 1 scissorlift on each rear corner of the truck and 2 cylinders on each scissorlift. They'd be driven off a drive powered by a 12vdc battery. I'm not far into planning this yet so.....
Hi David, there are methods such as using flow divides or phasing cylinders that allow for almost even extension speed of cylinders. For the application you described however it sounds like you will need some electrical control/monitoring and would best off consulting an expert for assistance.
One question i have an electric dual hydraulic pump but need to use on a single cylinder can i still manage to use the dual hose electric pump with that single cylinder? Is there a y adapter that can make that possible?
Hi there, we are doing a live Q&A tomorrow at 7:30am (NSW) - join us live and we might answer this question for you. Join us here: facebook.com/events/176497570992728/
I noticed the same thing. If he installed the valve like he had it on the board I thought it would have stopped the flow creating the 150 bar without him needing to close the valve..
if the flow control valve cum check valve piston side flow control valve rod side.how i increase the forwerd and reverse speed of the cylinder if pump not change.
Hi Gurdeep, we want to help you and answer your question. We are doing a Live Q&A tomorrow at 7:30am, join us live there and we might answer this question for you: facebook.com/events/176497570992728/
Very well explained . Ive experienced this very thing .
On a 20 tonne Cat excavator we had a thumb installed and used a old Hitachi boom lift ram off a 10 tonne Hitachi . The Hydraulic hose guy we got to plumb it up only used 3/8 hose and a 3/8 cross line relief valve .
The bucket hoses on the Cat were 3/4 . When grabbing a lot of trees and rubbish the cylinder shattered in half. We replaced it and it did it again about a week later . We got and expert hydraulic man to take a look and he replaced everything with 1/2 inch and the problem went away . The oil just could not return fast enough through the 3/8 system . The danger of using people that know enough to be dangerous and a costly lesson . The technician that fix it said that it could have cause a spike as much as 20000 psi inside the cylinder . Just completely chopped it in half
I was looking to learn about hydraulics for a dyi - thank you! Your clips are amazing. You're a good teacher.
Very informative and quite interesting. From your demonstration, it's easy to see how you could generate too much pressure in a hydraulic cylinder especially when it bottoms-out. A very dangerous situation. Thank you.👍🏽🤠 4/10/23
You are a remarkable and effective instructor. Thank you!
You are good teacher, Wonderful video ❤
There actually is one very good reason to use a meter out flow control valve. If you have an overhung load on the cylinder (the load can pull or push the rod), with meter in, the load can produce a vacuum within the cylinder and travel unexpectedly. With meter out, it will be fluid locked and can not be pushed or pulled by the load. Much safer. Just use components capable of handling the pressure.
You are doing a great job! Super clear explanations.
Excellent illustration
Great explanation! Very easy to understand this. Since there is less surface area of the side with the restrictor due to the piston rod, that side will build a higher fluid pressure to balance the push against both sides of the piston. However, I think that the less the restriction of flow, there is more relief to reduce the higher pressure differential.
I find that there are one-way flow restrictors to eliminate need to a directional bypass.
I had to subscribe.
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Great presentation, very clear and accurate. 🇬🇧
This video is incredibly informative! Thank you for making it!
Bravo.Clean and crystal clear 🤝
It would be a great help if you teach us how to manufacture a Double acting cylinder. With circuit Diagrams,Design & material selection.
Heartfelt thanks for unselfish sharing your knowledge Sir!
This is the coolest thing I've found. Great work on the videos. Cheers.
Thank you for the good simplified information. I liked you accent.
Thanks... It helps me a lot...i'm studied electrical but now works in mechanical and starts hydraulic...
Excellent presentation. Learned something new Today.
Great video!! We love hydraulic repair down in Alabama.
This is really an awesome video.Its going to help in my designs.Thanks for the great work
ive watched this a few times, i understand your correct way of limiting the speed to the back of the cylender, but you only showed the 'wrong' way to attach the flow control valve to the top end. IS the correct way just the other way around? (if i want to limit the retraction speed - to make them the same) i'm hoping to make my own little excavator. many thanks for these videos they are so great and helpful cheers from the UK o/
thanks sir, a very good idea.. we exploded one cylinder twice by giving more pressure in extraction and now only i came to knew why.. nice job. upload more videos.
My question is more about rotary actuator speed control not so much as linear.
Quick question....most people discuss hydraulic motor RPM off the reference to an electric motor driven pump. I understand that hydraulic motor speed is established off volumetric flow. Since most pumps are driven off AC motors they tend to have a set RPM which in turn produces a set GPM output flow. This in turn results in the hydraulic motor having a set RPM if not controlled by some form of restriction valves.
However, in the case of a gasoline or diesel power engine driving the hydraulic pump....don't we gain greater control over the RPM of the hydraulic motor, by controlling the engine RPM since that should change the GPM of the attached hydraulic pump??
I guess what I'm asking is if we slow down or speed up the RPM of the pump we would essentially be decreasing or increasing the supplied GPM at the motor and effect the speed.....correct??
Directional control valves are usually proportional, which means you can control the speed pretty well by the lever. In this case you definitely don't need any restriction valve that unnecessarily increases the pressure, that in turn heats up the oil, wastes energy and causes wear to the pump.
And the answer to your question is Yes. - But by using a combustion engine you can't control the hydraulic motor from zero speed without a control valve.
Nice explanation. Great safety glasses.
Hi , by changing a bucket hydraulic cylinder ,do 8 have to bleed lines. I used my tractor to blow wet snow an things worked for about 5 hrs, then lost pto lift an bucket lift. Any thoughts on what I should look at to trouble shoot an fix. Thanks R9b
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very good information and presentation. well explained thank you and keep them coming
Can I see which type of lift you made which is your behind
Really goog but what's about rod end and head end instead of back side and front side of cylinder....does it make sense ? Just wondering.
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Hi Im looking to alter a hydrauic function on my mini digger and wondered if you would possibly help reading a hydraulic schematic for my machine?
Very good video. clear and easily understood.
so meter out is not the way to go, it will increase the pressure, build up heat which is not good for the system i suppose, correct me if i am wrong, thanks.
Is there a way pressure intensification can be put into good use?
That was super easy to understand. Thank you
very helpful videos, but i have challenges controlling the swing speed of an FFLB crane, i notice that there are variable voltage soleniods that also control speeds of hydraulic flow and cylinder movements. pls have you come across such solenoids??
Look up PWM….
How is the pump relieving pressure when the hand valve is in the neutral position? Is it going through the hand valve back into the tank, the red line?
what do I need for a 2 ton ram please
Is there a way to reroute your ram end pressure line with a relief valve on return to valve bank that would push that oil straight back into the base end of the cylinder for a faster extending of the ram ?? Kinda like an ER system
In this configuration, what kind of distributor valve are you using ?. Thank you
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Very good demonstration. Thank you 🙂
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This is a very informative video, especially with your real-world demonstration. But you should really use standard ISO symbols to represent all components. These standard symbols not only denote specific components, but also illustrate their functionality. This makes it immediately clear what specific type of valve we're using without having to define or explain anything.
Also, standard terminology - like rod end and cap end - should be used in describing the cylinder instead of front and back.
We all need to be able to communicate by speaking the same language.
Excellent video and explanation thank you🤘
Dear sir,
Firstly if we close rod end of this piston then we put pr in a confined hydraulic so how pr is increases?
Also as the system pr is same for area difference of the piston head end & rod end force is different but pr should be same.
I still not understand how pr increases? Plz explain anyone.
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An excellent instruction video. I do detect a NZ accent.
Amazing well explained
2:30 I was not prepared for this level of violence. A content warning may be necessary.
Is the control valve you are using a TANDEM CENTER control valve?
I have a small trailer that has a hydrolic hand jack to raise turn lever and it goes down I am changing to a hydraulic cylinder with hoses to run back to valves on my sub compact tractor. What kind of cylinder do I look for to raise and lower bed ? Wagon capacity is 2000 lbs
Hi Roy, we would like to help you with your questions - we gathered questions, like this, for our live Q&A tomorrow. Join us there and we might answer this question for you: facebook.com/events/176497570992728/
Great video!
Especially that you used actual components rather than teaching via a drawing on the white board.
Very interesting
Very good videos, have you changed your page as I notice you haven't posted any videos in a while?
Also is this pressure increase ever used on purpose?
why not increase surface area on the other side by reshaping the back of the piston in an angle increasing its area
It’s not the piston area but the fluid volume that causes the pressure difference
Very good teacher
Hi, is it possible to use a Hydraulic cylinder as an oscillator at 150Hz?
I am working on a project. Can you help me.
Sir how to solve automatic level for genie boom lift problem can you teach
Good training for learning stage peoples thank you very much
How would you speed up overall operation without changing the pressure of the system?
Hi Fred, pressure in a circuit effect the force of actuators, if you want to change speed, you need to change the flow in the system.
APT Specialist Hydraulics and Training is there a way of changing the rate of flow with out changing the the size of the pump or the motor that drives it. Or would you just have to change both to increase the speed of the cylinder?
when you restrict the follow of oil does that cause the oil to rise in Temperature. ??
Gary Hall yeah, the temperature increases because you are wasting energy. All the energy that is not used to perform work, will be transfomed into heat. It is way better to design a system where you do not need a flow regulator. If you need to, it is quite possible que you will have to install a heat exchanger
Do you know what your talking about ???????????????????????
@@garyhall867 Yes he does exactly. Consider the possibility that it is you who can't follow.
@@garyhall867 Yes when you tell the smart hydraulic oil to slam into the dumb hydraulic oil it creates friction which in turns raises the working temperature in the containment vessel..
Thank you for these lessons, but what is the point to make videos and not answering to the questions ?
Maximum stroke per minute
of hydraulic double acting cylinder.??
nicely explained
Very clear and informative.
I want to build a hydraulic system and I need t work out what size pump to use...I got a 6 horse power Kubota diesel...that is the starting point...I am building a log splitter maby one 30 ton cylinder ....do you have a video to explain
Cool! Ok so how do you maximize the speed in both directions (and have them at least the same) to get the fastest cycle times? Also, what effect does speeding up the cycle have on the max force that a cylinder can generate?
To maximize the speed in the extension direction you would have to adjust the circuit to make it a regenerative Circuit. Regenerative Circuits increase the extension speed of a double acting cylinder by taking return oil from the rod end and use it in the piston end to speed up extension. but in a regenerative circuit reduced cylinder force is a major disadvantage.
@@CustomHydraulics I don't know of any way to "adjust" a basic circuit into a regenerative circuit. You'd have to redesign it. Besides, a regen circuit is most effective only when the piston diameter to rod diameter ratio is greater than 2:1.
The simplest way to achieve equal force for extension and retraction is a to use a double rod end cylinder-and it may not require redesigning the circuit. To achieve the same extension force as with the single rod end cylinder, you'd have to use a double rod end cylinder with a slightly larger bore.
There are others ways, such as using a flow combiner, but they would require redesigning the circuit.
Is there a flow control valve to regulate even flow to 4 cylinders at once? I'm trying to make/operate 2 scissor lifts simultaneously to lift the rear of a truck up 20" to dock height. So 1 scissorlift on each rear corner of the truck and 2 cylinders on each scissorlift. They'd be driven off a drive powered by a 12vdc battery. I'm not far into planning this yet so.....
Hi David, there are methods such as using flow divides or phasing cylinders that allow for almost even extension speed of cylinders. For the application you described however it sounds like you will need some electrical control/monitoring and would best off consulting an expert for assistance.
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Great explanation. Very clear. thank you.
One question i have an electric dual hydraulic pump but need to use on a single cylinder can i still manage to use the dual hose electric pump with that single cylinder? Is there a y adapter that can make that possible?
Hi there, we are doing a live Q&A tomorrow at 7:30am (NSW) - join us live and we might answer this question for you. Join us here: facebook.com/events/176497570992728/
way of your teaching is good, the another person on this channel is bit difficult to understand due to acsent
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at the end, he placed the control valve and check valve in series, but the circuit on the board shows they are in parallel. or I'm wrong somewhere?
I noticed the same thing. If he installed the valve like he had it on the board I thought it would have stopped the flow creating the 150 bar without him needing to close the valve..
What if there is no valve, like machinery have? What if it was a hydraulic system in an animatronic?
Ok, got a question. My backhoe stabilizer legs are WAYYYY too fast retracting and dangerous. How can I slow them down ?
i have same problem with my digger arm working to fast .i was hoping to see some sort of method to slow hydraulic speed down
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Awesome job!
Great! Thanks allot for that video
you had that metering valve hook up in series you hook up not like your drawing there not same
Well said!
I think you say preassure unit is bar while it is psi. Could you confirm please?
100 bar is 1450.38psi
thank you, very good video
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if the flow control valve cum check valve piston side flow control valve rod side.how i increase the forwerd and reverse speed of the cylinder if pump not change.
Hi Gurdeep, we want to help you and answer your question. We are doing a Live Q&A tomorrow at 7:30am, join us live there and we might answer this question for you: facebook.com/events/176497570992728/
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