Very cool! Couple of suggestions...for axle lubrication, seat the ends on some oiled wool felt. An idea for water control ...bolt with rubber washer and nut for fine tuning.
Absolutely LOVE the restoration of that treadle Stone. I have a very old treatle stone that works but I do want to completely restore it and fix it up. Images of yours absolutely gave me thoughts and goals because mine does not have some of the parts that are on yours. I have had to fabricate a new rod for one pedal because it only came with one. And then also where the rods attached to the axis of wheel basically - I have had to basically fabricate to fix not only the connection for the rod but also where it connects to the center access of the Stone. Some of these parts I can tell has been repaired at one point with some decently solid welds. Thank you so much for sharing this video. It definitely gives me a goal to reach for with this treadle Stone. I love the thing. My ex gave me the treadle Stone - with an extra wheel that is shaped a little funny - because I admired it when we go to family get togethers at his grandmother's house. They used to have sheep and goats and definitely did things by hand they had all sorts of hand tools not electric shearers. I always admired it so at the auction he bought it so I could have it. And I also have my grandfather's rotary manual mower that I want to restore also I need to get it sharpened and I need to take it apart so I have access to all parts that have a little rust. I get very picky picky and detailed once I get on the project. I think the lawn mower and the treadle are going to look amazing side by side - and then still probably get used as well. Thank you thank you for your video
Just found one at my father-in-law’s house he said he used to crank it by the arms that run down to the pedals. He said it never had pedals back in the late 60’s
30:22. Amusing. I am playing a Dungeons and Dragons game. My character is definitely an angry dude. He had to improvise an ignition source in combat, so he ruined one of the edges of his longsword with a flint in order to ignite a fuel-soaked harpy. He's now in a blacksmith's shop and had commandeered the smith's water grindstone treadle. I put a link to this video in our group's chat at the 25:13 mark. I then smiled when I got to 30:22. Thanks for the upload!
Very interesting, thanks! I'm writing a novel featuring a blacksmith, and I watched this for research. I laughed out loud when you mentioned the fifteen-year-old apprentice being the one to sharpen "some angry dude's sword", because that's exactly what's happening in the scene I'm currently working on!
Good presentation. This is my first visit to your channel. Lots of interesting projects. You are fortunate to have two grinders. They are fun to work/play with. I think the directional idea is valid with conventional powered grinders. Having the top of the wheel moving toward you holds the item on the rest. On the treadle grinder having the wheel move away seems to work better for me. Holding the part against the wheel while it is pushing back at me lessens the amout of force I can apply to pushing the pedals. It works especially well for sharpening draw knives. The draw knife handles naturally point toward me in the working position. Holding it that way for sharpening feels natural. Running the top of the wheel away from me has the sharp edge leading on the stone. It is easier to see the progress of the grind that way. When the blade is sharp it starts raising a burr on the edge of the blade. It also starts skimming the water off the stone. When I see that I stop. I have a treadle grinder that I just finished rebuilding. It as missing a few parts that I ended up fabricating. I still need to make a proper seat for it. I'm impressed with how well it grinds. My original interest was just to have one because I had a traditional blacksmith shop with a coal forge. I thought it would be a nice addition to the shop more as a visual item. That was 20 years ago and I looked for one that wasn't ridiculously high priced. Here in Michigan they are highly sought after as yard ornaments. Winter freeze thaw cycles play hell on the stones. I finally found this one at a local antique shop this April. I just tonight finished sharpening a Stanley No. 8 plane blade on the stone. I think with some more practice it will become a standard part of my sharpening/exercise program. 😊 I just subbed. Good luck with the beam drill I really like mine.
Thanks for the insight! I actually went to an auction a few weekends ago and scored an amazing find for an amazing price which I'll be restoring at some point but I can't tell ya what it is yet, it's a surprise haha. unfortunately I probably won't get to it any time soon but you're gonna shit when you see it I'll say that! The Swan beam drill is gonna be on the chopping block soon and I'm excited to get to started on it but like always, there are so many things to do and so little time.
That turned out awesome. Great work. I know I would be pumped on how it turned out. Definitely a lifetime tool and it beats the hell out of using sand paper glued to a piece of wood because that's how I've been sharpening just because it's what I have.
Thanks Dude! That means a lot, had a great time restoring it. Might be finishing the drill tomorrow too, at least make a little progress on it. I think the next project will be my swan beam drill... totally looking forward to spending some time with my gal!
Great video. Now I don’t have real life experience. But I think the reason for turning the stone towards you has to do with forming the burr on the blade. People that sharpen on wetstones generally only go forward and push the axe away from themselves. And then after you create the burr, you pull the blade towards you on a piece of cloth or leather to remove it, and then you get a sharp cutting edge. Again, I get this from other people’s experience, not my own. So don’t take my word for it.
Thanks for the reply. What I have found through many years of experience in sharpening is that it doesn't matter whether you push OR pull the iron across the sharpening stone/plate, it will create the burr, then by flipping it and giving a tug, it will break the burr... then stop. In fact, as long as you keep the tool in contact with the stone (flat stone, not wheel), I tend to sharpen on both the push AND pull stroke, even going in circles and figure eights (if the cutting iron is large enough to do so with). The more angles of approach you can present between the cutting edge and stone, the faster it will remove material. This is true for all types of material removal processes.
Sure it can but if you take a look into the times they were using such stones on a daily basis, they were primarily used for sharpening. The blacksmith who was forging the knife would forge not only the shape of the blade but also the profile of the cutting edge(s) best he/she could and then go to the grindstone... then heat treat the cutting edges and go back to the grindstone before handing off to the customer.
Interesting. I saw one just a few weeks ago, and was thinking about buying it, but the stone's face was on an angle. Not sure if it was made that way, or got worn down to it. It was awful coarse too. Did you get yours refaced or was it just like that? I think I see a little bump on it, but otherwise looks nice and flat.
There are a few real small chips out of the edges but overall I got a great wheel. I have others, one needed re-surfacing and I have tried a few tricks but they haven't paid off. Next I'm going to try treadling it (away from me) and resurfacing it with an angle grinder with masonry wheel... should do the trick if I can come up with a jig to hold the grinder steady but be able to move back and forth as well as inch in on the depth. I have a humongous wheel too which is almost perfect condition, only you aren't treadling this one haha, it has double reduction pulleys that are clutched to a 3hp motor (thinking of upping it to a spare 7hp baldor I picked up at an auction for next to nothing)
The Cordless Carpenter Yeah, I've seen a few but they're always in bad shape. I wish I could figure out how to do it, or find a place that would. Your idea about a grinder may work, but it would take a while. Have you ever heard of one having a face with like a 30-45 degree angle on it? Do you think it was on purpose for something in particular, or was it used the wrong way? I mean it was set up in a proper box, but with no pedals. Coulda been put on an electric motor and got wrecked. Dunno.
The Cordless Carpenter Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It'd be way too much work to bring it back to flat, and I don't know if I could use it like that. Too bad. The wheel, stand, well and all were there. Just needed peddles, or a stepped down motor, and it was only $50.
Well, I got a steal on this one, I bought it from an older gal about 5 minutes from my cabin for only $80. Of course it needed to be restored but it had good bones and a full size stone in great shape. you can find them all over the place ranging from $100-$300... some go for big money though... thousands. I haven't shared it yet but about 9 months or so ago, I was at an auction and scored a motor driven stone that i'll be restoring... don't think i can make this one into a treadle tough (without some serious imagination), it is a whopping 3 foot tall and 4 inches wide... big son of a gun. perfect corners too... can't wait for that one.
If I was to sell this one, which I'm not lol, fully restored like it is with a full size stone in great shape, I'd be asking $750 - $1,000... probably take a while to sell it though but ya never know.
That's pretty much what I do is put a little grease where it rotates... anywhere where two metal surfaces are rotating against one another. Thanks for the comment.
I would like to know: why aren't such sharpening stones widely in use today? Their wide diameter should be superior for a near flat grind. And yet wheels these seem forgotten
I think the biggest reason is because of the nature of our reliance on electricity. Most people don't even think of this kind of stone until they get older. I can only assume, generally speaking, that most of todays society was raised by parents or grandparents who lived through the rise of the power tool which is what they taught their children to use. That AND the rise of suburbia. The children & grandchildren were simply never exposed to such tools and therefore never had any options. Those who grew up on farms probably still had them kicking around in the barn but most people grow up in the city or in a suburban community where tools like this have been tossed away like a corded telephone from the 80s. Thinking about it from that perspective, when you teach your kids now a days how to use a phone for the first time, you would hand them a smart phone not a dial telephone, same with ALL tools from the past. In reality, electricity made life easier and faster allowing people to get more done in a shorter period of time. It's not until we get a little older (for me anyways) and start realizing that slowing down and enjoying the process is just as important that we revive the older ways. One side benefit I've learned throughout the years working with only hand tools is that you also get a pretty good workout at the same time lol.
They're always messy no matter what you do, I've seen people literally have it going everywhere, most people use the well for the water but you don't want leavenit there as it will erode the stone over time, but they didn't really care much back then and later to save money on stones they would usually add a dripper and usually like my great grandfather did which was use oil instead of water, it needed to be washed after a month of use but it would make the stone last much longer and get a finer cut, and as far as grinding blades goes...it depends on the application, most kitchen knives use a backwards grind as it cuts quickly and finer, but doesn't last near as long, the forwards grind for things like machetes as its not as fine and can hold up to a heavy beating LoL.
@@thelucondrix391 I am planning on having two stones, one with water for coarse and one with oil for fine... I found a huge wheel at an auction a few years back which has been patiently waiting for restoration and I plan on that being the coarse wheel and this small one here being used with cutting oil for a finer finish. The roles might be reversed once the large stone has been tested in water to fin d out which has a finer grain structure. The finer grain'd wheel will get the oil.
I'm not against trying olive oil, hell I'll try just about anything seeking perfection but initially it doesn't make sense to use lubricating oil that is designed to "reduce" friction in an application designed to force two objects to produce friction and remove material. If only only I had gallons of tap magic lol. I will definitely try this though because I have learned (through experience, not through what someone else has told me works) that it is the slurry created from the water or oil and the fine particles breaking off of the stone as you sharpen mixing together that actually does the sharpening. Hence using a dripper instead of filling the well full of the cutting fluid which would just wash away all the "desired" slurry off the wheel. Your question has sparked an experiment that I just thought up and will be doing in the future... to discover which technique (well or dripper) would remove material faster AND which one would produce a better finish. Perhaps the results will produce the same results, maybe not, I guess we'll find out huh... I'll definitely shoot a video of the experiment when I do it. Thanks for the comment.
@@thecordlesscarpenter7956 I found that using Olive oil does slow the process however it gives it a better edge. While an axe may only need to get the gouges out, other items like scissors and such one may want the slower sharpening. It gives me for one, more control over the shape and precise-ness. Is that a word? Shalom
Very cool! Couple of suggestions...for axle lubrication, seat the ends on some oiled wool felt. An idea for water control ...bolt with rubber washer and nut for fine tuning.
Great video, watching it for the second time now. Thanks for the good content!
Thanks for the kind words. You're most welcome
Absolutely LOVE the restoration of that treadle Stone. I have a very old treatle stone that works but I do want to completely restore it and fix it up. Images of yours absolutely gave me thoughts and goals because mine does not have some of the parts that are on yours. I have had to fabricate a new rod for one pedal because it only came with one. And then also where the rods attached to the axis of wheel basically - I have had to basically fabricate to fix not only the connection for the rod but also where it connects to the center access of the Stone. Some of these parts I can tell has been repaired at one point with some decently solid welds.
Thank you so much for sharing this video. It definitely gives me a goal to reach for with this treadle Stone. I love the thing. My ex gave me the treadle Stone - with an extra wheel that is shaped a little funny - because I admired it when we go to family get togethers at his grandmother's house. They used to have sheep and goats and definitely did things by hand they had all sorts of hand tools not electric shearers. I always admired it so at the auction he bought it so I could have it. And I also have my grandfather's rotary manual mower that I want to restore also I need to get it sharpened and I need to take it apart so I have access to all parts that have a little rust. I get very picky picky and detailed once I get on the project. I think the lawn mower and the treadle are going to look amazing side by side - and then still probably get used as well. Thank you thank you for your video
Just found one at my father-in-law’s house he said he used to crank it by the arms that run down to the pedals. He said it never had pedals back in the late 60’s
Subscribed, even if it's been 5 years since you uploaded a video.
30:22. Amusing. I am playing a Dungeons and Dragons game. My character is definitely an angry dude. He had to improvise an ignition source in combat, so he ruined one of the edges of his longsword with a flint in order to ignite a fuel-soaked harpy. He's now in a blacksmith's shop and had commandeered the smith's water grindstone treadle. I put a link to this video in our group's chat at the 25:13 mark. I then smiled when I got to 30:22.
Thanks for the upload!
Very interesting, thanks! I'm writing a novel featuring a blacksmith, and I watched this for research. I laughed out loud when you mentioned the fifteen-year-old apprentice being the one to sharpen "some angry dude's sword", because that's exactly what's happening in the scene I'm currently working on!
Sounds like it should be an interesting read, I'm curious, what time period are you writing in or is it complete fiction/fantasy style book?
Good presentation. This is my first visit to your channel. Lots of interesting projects.
You are fortunate to have two grinders. They are fun to work/play with. I think the directional idea is valid with conventional powered grinders. Having the top of the wheel moving toward you holds the item on the rest. On the treadle grinder having the wheel move away seems to work better for me. Holding the part against the wheel while it is pushing back at me lessens the amout of force I can apply to pushing the pedals. It works especially well for sharpening draw knives.
The draw knife handles naturally point toward me in the working position. Holding it that way for sharpening feels natural. Running the top of the wheel away from me has the sharp edge leading on the stone. It is easier to see the progress of the grind that way. When the blade is sharp it starts raising a burr on the edge of the blade. It also starts skimming the water off the stone. When I see that I stop.
I have a treadle grinder that I just finished rebuilding. It as missing a few parts that I ended up fabricating. I still need to make a proper seat for it.
I'm impressed with how well it grinds. My original interest was just to have one because I had a traditional blacksmith shop with a coal forge. I thought it would be a nice addition to the shop more as a visual item.
That was 20 years ago and I looked for one that wasn't ridiculously high priced. Here in Michigan they are highly sought after as yard ornaments. Winter freeze thaw cycles play hell on the stones.
I finally found this one at a local antique shop this April.
I just tonight finished sharpening a Stanley No. 8 plane blade on the stone. I think with some more practice it will become a standard part of my sharpening/exercise program. 😊
I just subbed.
Good luck with the beam drill I really like mine.
Thanks for the insight! I actually went to an auction a few weekends ago and scored an amazing find for an amazing price which I'll be restoring at some point but I can't tell ya what it is yet, it's a surprise haha. unfortunately I probably won't get to it any time soon but you're gonna shit when you see it I'll say that! The Swan beam drill is gonna be on the chopping block soon and I'm excited to get to started on it but like always, there are so many things to do and so little time.
That turned out awesome. Great work. I know I would be pumped on how it turned out. Definitely a lifetime tool and it beats the hell out of using sand paper glued to a piece of wood because that's how I've been sharpening just because it's what I have.
Thanks Dude! That means a lot, had a great time restoring it. Might be finishing the drill tomorrow too, at least make a little progress on it. I think the next project will be my swan beam drill... totally looking forward to spending some time with my gal!
Just gound this, i am also in the middle of a total restoration
Trying to get through all those layers of lead paint has been a nightmare
Awesome work, I mightget a chance to bring a friends back to life soon. Thanks for the info
Treadling with the stonemoving awY from you wiill mimic sharpening using a hand stone.
use a wide paint brush up against the area just out of the water to stop splash....the old one i used had just that.
Great video. Now I don’t have real life experience. But I think the reason for turning the stone towards you has to do with forming the burr on the blade.
People that sharpen on wetstones generally only go forward and push the axe away from themselves.
And then after you create the burr, you pull the blade towards you on a piece of cloth or leather to remove it, and then you get a sharp cutting edge.
Again, I get this from other people’s experience, not my own. So don’t take my word for it.
Thanks for the reply. What I have found through many years of experience in sharpening is that it doesn't matter whether you push OR pull the iron across the sharpening stone/plate, it will create the burr, then by flipping it and giving a tug, it will break the burr... then stop. In fact, as long as you keep the tool in contact with the stone (flat stone, not wheel), I tend to sharpen on both the push AND pull stroke, even going in circles and figure eights (if the cutting iron is large enough to do so with). The more angles of approach you can present between the cutting edge and stone, the faster it will remove material. This is true for all types of material removal processes.
Great Job !!! Looks Great.
HA, thanks Bro, it was fun
Thanks Bro, yup, definitely a Montana homestead must... for me anyways haha
yes you can be proud of it, proud of your work too......a Montana must have!
Yes he's back!
I did the same thing in an afternoon using wood. Shouldn’t you turn it towards you?
25:13. That sweet, sweet sound.
Is that ... "My Heart Will Go On" by Celine Dion playing in the background?
lol... probably. Back then I was always streaming Pandora
Subbed, love the channel bud!
Can a sandstone profile a knife? For example, from billet to knife
Sure it can but if you take a look into the times they were using such stones on a daily basis, they were primarily used for sharpening. The blacksmith who was forging the knife would forge not only the shape of the blade but also the profile of the cutting edge(s) best he/she could and then go to the grindstone... then heat treat the cutting edges and go back to the grindstone before handing off to the customer.
Lovely video, Thank you.
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it Madison.
Interesting. I saw one just a few weeks ago, and was thinking about buying it, but the stone's face was on an angle. Not sure if it was made that way, or got worn down to it. It was awful coarse too.
Did you get yours refaced or was it just like that? I think I see a little bump on it, but otherwise looks nice and flat.
There are a few real small chips out of the edges but overall I got a great wheel. I have others, one needed re-surfacing and I have tried a few tricks but they haven't paid off. Next I'm going to try treadling it (away from me) and resurfacing it with an angle grinder with masonry wheel... should do the trick if I can come up with a jig to hold the grinder steady but be able to move back and forth as well as inch in on the depth. I have a humongous wheel too which is almost perfect condition, only you aren't treadling this one haha, it has double reduction pulleys that are clutched to a 3hp motor (thinking of upping it to a spare 7hp baldor I picked up at an auction for next to nothing)
The Cordless Carpenter Yeah, I've seen a few but they're always in bad shape. I wish I could figure out how to do it, or find a place that would. Your idea about a grinder may work, but it would take a while.
Have you ever heard of one having a face with like a 30-45 degree angle on it? Do you think it was on purpose for something in particular, or was it used the wrong way?
I mean it was set up in a proper box, but with no pedals. Coulda been put on an electric motor and got wrecked. Dunno.
@@jimf1964 I'd be willing to bet that the stone was shaped like that on purpose (for sharpening one specific tool repeatedly).
The Cordless Carpenter Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It'd be way too much work to bring it back to flat, and I don't know if I could use it like that. Too bad. The wheel, stand, well and all were there. Just needed peddles, or a stepped down motor, and it was only $50.
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Where did you get the stone and, if you know, what the cost is of one of those?
Well, I got a steal on this one, I bought it from an older gal about 5 minutes from my cabin for only $80. Of course it needed to be restored but it had good bones and a full size stone in great shape. you can find them all over the place ranging from $100-$300... some go for big money though... thousands. I haven't shared it yet but about 9 months or so ago, I was at an auction and scored a motor driven stone that i'll be restoring... don't think i can make this one into a treadle tough (without some serious imagination), it is a whopping 3 foot tall and 4 inches wide... big son of a gun. perfect corners too... can't wait for that one.
If I was to sell this one, which I'm not lol, fully restored like it is with a full size stone in great shape, I'd be asking $750 - $1,000... probably take a while to sell it though but ya never know.
That's pretty much what I do is put a little grease where it rotates... anywhere where two metal surfaces are rotating against one another. Thanks for the comment.
I would like to know: why aren't such sharpening stones widely in use today? Their wide diameter should be superior for a near flat grind. And yet wheels these seem forgotten
I think the biggest reason is because of the nature of our reliance on electricity. Most people don't even think of this kind of stone until they get older. I can only assume, generally speaking, that most of todays society was raised by parents or grandparents who lived through the rise of the power tool which is what they taught their children to use. That AND the rise of suburbia. The children & grandchildren were simply never exposed to such tools and therefore never had any options. Those who grew up on farms probably still had them kicking around in the barn but most people grow up in the city or in a suburban community where tools like this have been tossed away like a corded telephone from the 80s. Thinking about it from that perspective, when you teach your kids now a days how to use a phone for the first time, you would hand them a smart phone not a dial telephone, same with ALL tools from the past. In reality, electricity made life easier and faster allowing people to get more done in a shorter period of time. It's not until we get a little older (for me anyways) and start realizing that slowing down and enjoying the process is just as important that we revive the older ways. One side benefit I've learned throughout the years working with only hand tools is that you also get a pretty good workout at the same time lol.
Skill to make and work to use
They're always messy no matter what you do, I've seen people literally have it going everywhere, most people use the well for the water but you don't want leavenit there as it will erode the stone over time, but they didn't really care much back then and later to save money on stones they would usually add a dripper and usually like my great grandfather did which was use oil instead of water, it needed to be washed after a month of use but it would make the stone last much longer and get a finer cut, and as far as grinding blades goes...it depends on the application, most kitchen knives use a backwards grind as it cuts quickly and finer, but doesn't last near as long, the forwards grind for things like machetes as its not as fine and can hold up to a heavy beating LoL.
Problem with oil though is you're never apost to which back to water after
@@thelucondrix391 I am planning on having two stones, one with water for coarse and one with oil for fine... I found a huge wheel at an auction a few years back which has been patiently waiting for restoration and I plan on that being the coarse wheel and this small one here being used with cutting oil for a finer finish. The roles might be reversed once the large stone has been tested in water to fin d out which has a finer grain structure. The finer grain'd wheel will get the oil.
Drain that tank or you will ruin the stone especially in freezing weather
The music 💀
Yeah, the music in the background was abysmal lol, lesson learned.
Use Olive oil rather than water. Shalom
I'm not against trying olive oil, hell I'll try just about anything seeking perfection but initially it doesn't make sense to use lubricating oil that is designed to "reduce" friction in an application designed to force two objects to produce friction and remove material. If only only I had gallons of tap magic lol. I will definitely try this though because I have learned (through experience, not through what someone else has told me works) that it is the slurry created from the water or oil and the fine particles breaking off of the stone as you sharpen mixing together that actually does the sharpening. Hence using a dripper instead of filling the well full of the cutting fluid which would just wash away all the "desired" slurry off the wheel. Your question has sparked an experiment that I just thought up and will be doing in the future... to discover which technique (well or dripper) would remove material faster AND which one would produce a better finish. Perhaps the results will produce the same results, maybe not, I guess we'll find out huh... I'll definitely shoot a video of the experiment when I do it. Thanks for the comment.
@@thecordlesscarpenter7956 I found that using Olive oil does slow the process however it gives it a better edge. While an axe may only need to get the gouges out, other items like scissors and such one may want the slower sharpening. It gives me for one, more control over the shape and precise-ness. Is that a word?
Shalom
Dude, So much blah blah blah..smh