Stuff like that is one of the reasons I would love to see a Germany in the 80s map. All Airbases had assigned to them alternate runways. Generally, a strip of Autobahn was actually built or converted in such a way that it could serve as a temporary base. Even the crash barriers were built to be removed in seconds. If you ever drive on an Autobahn look at the separation of the lanes, if it is paved only (no stone bumps) you might be driving on an emergency runway. I would really love that map. Even if it would be a bit scary if it came out now...
@@Black-Re4per & @G E T R E K T : Nicht nur in Norddeutschland. Nahezu jede "ältere" Autobahn hat solche Abschnitte. Die werden z.B. auch benutzt um den Verkehr im Falle einer Baustelle auf die Gegenfahrbahnen zu bringen... Im V-Fall war dann eine Seite als Runway, die Andere als Taxiway und für die Technik gedacht.
When J37 VIGGEN was in operation in Sweden, a pilot landed on a 7 m wide road. It was a mistake and he should land at another bigger road. After landed and full stop he managed to turn around and take off again. By himself of course.
0:57 Operating from road bases has been the Swedish Airforce doctrine since the Cold War. The planes has been design for short landing and takeoff and for fast refueling and rearming, as it takes about 15 minutes. Everting to keep our planes in the air as much as possible and out of harms way to be destroyed on the ground as the enemy will have a hard time finding every road base. Relocation of the road bases is easy to do too. Our overall doctrine during the Cold War was to fight a defensive war against a greater invading army in smaller independent groups guerrilla style causing as much damage to the enemy as much possible.
I love the videos with just you and RC "sciencing" around. The straight-man + funny-man setup has been the most entertaining thing in the world to me since Laurel and Hardy.
The Gripen obviously can as its designed for Swedish Force dispersal tactics The F-16, Rafale and Eurofighter can as well but not as good as the Gripen its one of the areas where the Gripen outclasses other aircraft
You should do this with modern jets just for kicks and giggles (f35, f22, su57, j-20 etc) I think it’d be a cool video showing the capabilities of 5th gen fighters!
Most grass runways are improved in America with what is called a turf aggregate runway. They install coarse aggregate and then grow grass over it. It is mowed and is pretty stable. It doesn’t support the heaviest planes, but crop dusters tend to use them frequently. We have one at our local airport. In WWII, the Americans used SPS for creating portable hasty runways. In fact, my car trailer uses SPS for the tire bed. They just locked together like an AFX track. I wonder how modern aircraft would do on some of these for a runway. I imagine the tiny tires wouldn’t like it too much.
Idea for Sunday Funday game or One-off Mission... BluFor objective: Protect the lumbering, vulnerable AC-130 Spectre Gunship(s) from hostile air/ground forces; escort until they are within range of a specified target and can rain destruction on RedFor, winning the round. Red can win by destroying all AC-130s before the attack. Possible game title: "Here Comes The Pain" That AC-130 Benghazi vid was awesome - WE WANT MORE SPECTRE! Another good video here! Keep up the great work SuperCap and GR Crew 🍻
One day I will learn what "Waaaaahgneeeer" is all about. Until then, I will have to be satisfied with a half-hearted/non-referenced chuckle each time our narrator gets friendly-fired by one of the Reapers. I would LOVE to see if the A-10 could do this thing, as it combines rugged specs, high engine inlets, and a titanium sitz bath for the pilot.
We have had reserve road bases in Sweden since the early 60's. In the first years of tests we even used J29 Tunnan. The idea was to protect the air force from being annihilated by Soviet attacks and to be able to host NATO (US+UK) Air Forces on regular bases. Several fields on the east coast was specifically leangthen to be able to recive returning V-bombers if there was a need. I recommend the public report "FORTV Rapport 2006:1" if you want to know more about Bas 60 road bases
Our local small airport has the runway designed to accommodate larger planes in an emergency. "Fitchburg Municipal Airport covers an area of 376 acres (152 ha) which contains one paved runway: 14/32 measuring 5,001 x 100 ft (1,524 x 30 m)."
Is not only Sweden, Germany or the UK who have road sections assigned for fighter operations in Western Europe or NATO. It is pretty obvious that enemy forces would try to bomb landing strips in order to gain air superiority or supremacy in any given conflict. So NATO airforces have plans for unconventional and alternative airports ;) They just don't publicised it to the world as they don't have to promote Saabs Gripens.
NATO and many of our allies actually did plan and in some rare cases practice using highways as alternate runways. South Korea had one stretch of highway painted with runway markers for this purpose. The US interstate system has many 1 mile long or more stretches of straight open tarmac to be used for this purpose as well. With the Air Land battle strategy of the 1980s, and knowing Warsaw Pact would target our airfields, NATO needed a way to ensure we had alternate fields to keep air superiority. What is amazing is the old German warbirds had to put this into practice as the Autobahns were used as airfields during WW2.
Canard is used both in case of asymmetric and symmetric movement of the control surfaces. The Typhoon, as far as I'm aware, has symmetric syncronized canard movement, meaning it only acts on pitch control and as an airbrake, aside from generating a small component of lift compared to the wings, but it's not the main purpose; the Gripen on the other hand has an asymmetric canard control, which means it acts on pitch and roll control, making the aircraft control more redundant as it can roll with the canards aside from the ailerons, usally a combination of both. All canards are fore-planes fundamentally, because they're a lifting surface (plane) in front (forward) of the main lifting surface or plane (aka. wings), so forward-plane thus fore-plane; but not all fore-planes are canards, since some can be static fundamental lifting surfaces that generate a big proportion of the total lift or static airfoils that deviate the airflow to improve lift generation by the wings as a LERX does for the F/A-18 by at hight AoA by generating a lift vortex that sticks the boundary layer to the wing. Long story short: if it's in front of the wing, it's a fore-plane, but if it also moves it's called a canard, which can operate symmetricaly or not. If I'm wrong, which is most probably the case, feel free to comment what you think.
During 1972 a squadron of Swedish AF J-35 Drakens on invitation from the Soviet AF made a friendly visit to Kubinka near Moscow. With a squadron of Soviet MiG 21s in return making a visit to the Swedish AF F-11 flotilla during 1975. During the flight to Moscow, the Swedish Drakens had to make a midway stop on a Soviet airfield in what's now either Belarus or Ukraine, and the field that the Soviets originally had designated for the midway stop was a base that normally hosted transport aircraft like the AN-12 Cub. But the Swedish route planning team found that the gaps between the concrete slabs in the runway on that base, while narrow enough for the wheel tires on an AN-12 to pass over them, was too wide for the J-35 Draken nosewheel 😁. So they had to find an alternative field to land on instead 🙂.
Those roads Gripen can operate from is not improvised. They are airfields with a dual use as roads. If you are driving in Sweden on a smal forrest road, one lane in each direction, curves in all direction all the time, sudenly you enter a road part that is 2 lanes in each dirrction a straight as an arrow and the forrest trimmed back from the road and nice turnplaces at each end.
"Why would you want to see European fighters take off of road and grass?" - The whole swedish defense strategy is based on the their fighters taking off from roads. The Griphen was designed for that.
It’s interesting how IRL only the grippen (out of this lot of aircraft) has been “cleared” to do these types of landings I would love to see some naval aircraft (like F-18s F-14s A-6s and A-4s) since they have strengthened gear so in theory should be able to land quite easily
Hello GR, Greece here. Fun fact, we have plans to operate our F-16s (as far as i know) on highways to take off without plans to land until we find a temporary runway!
@grim reapers @kelso. Next recommendation: try flying planes of one configuration: warbirds all with radial engines, all with inline/water cooled engines; all with delta wings, all with swing wings (F-14, B1, ??); all with one engine, two engines, four engines; all carrier planes, the most delicate ones you can imagine. Thanks for considering the request. Take care have a great Sunday evening.
There should be a mod where you can install giant balloon tires on a jet aircraft. But, the landing gear bays will have a hard time closing I'm sure lol
In real life Gripen probably could from a highway as I understand its made with rough fields and limited facilities in mind. Grass I don't know. As for the rest I haven't a clue. The real question is can they operate off a gravel strip?
All planes with air intakes low to the ground and no engine FOD mitigation = forget it, the engines would be trashed very quickly on gravel. The Gripen should do fine though.
Probably from a highway? It's actually one of SAAB's selling points for the Gripen NG that it can land on short straight aways and be serviced by a couple of trucks.
What I can say for certain is that the Gripen can indeed be operated from highways. He is a light and small fighter. According to Saab, it can operate from highways and be fully refueled and rearmed with 5 to 6 technicians in 10 minutes. Sweden did so because it knows that the military bases would be the first to be destroyed in a first strike, just as Russia did in Ukraine. So, with the fighter operating from highways, it's hard to stop getting them in the air. This, in fact, was one of the reasons why my country (Brazil) chose Gripen. Some regions of Brazil, such as the Amazon, do not have as much infrastructure as in large cities in the South and Southeast.
There are literally videos of the Gripen landing and taking off from such facilities, I' m wagering that Swedish doctrine has this ingrained from the get go for decades now, ever since the good ol' Viggen and Draken.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 It was a base requirement of the Gripen. Sweedish air doctrine is based on the idea that air bases would be one of the first things struck in any war, so it is better to have aircraft that can take off from makeshift runways with limited crews.
Fun things on this topic. - Mobile Arresting Systems - MAAS US Air Force acronym for “Mobile Aircraft Arresting System”. It is basically a standard BAK-12 aircraft arresting system made mobile through installation on a MAAS trailer. Each trailer contains hydraulic tools and hardware necessary for installation and removal of the system. The ability to be installed in multiple configurations on several different surface types makes the MAAS a flexible system. MATCT Mobile Air Traffic Control Tower. - air transportable, in some cases air mobile, able to be set up quickly and tied in to other systems. Thales D-ILS is a commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) system, mobile, to be hooked up with tower, provides precision approach guidance to Category 1 weather minimums, with a 200-foot decision height and half-mile visibility AFRL lights portable LED-based runway lighting, deployed by 2 jeeps, one on either side of the runway. FAUN Trackway - aluminium temporary runway, allowing for deployment of runways. So, we have our search radars, our control tower, runway, landing lights, ILS, arresting cables, all we need is fuel browsers, and ordinance vehicles. Want a runway somewhere? Anywhere?
That was a great video, Cap. It left me curious about the FOD modeling in DCS. I can almost guarantee that every fighter jet developed by the USA since the 1940's has both taken off and landed on their dry lake edge, which raises an incredible amount of FOD, from super-fine desert dust to small rocks, not to mention all the crows/blackbirds! Since there's no map that includes Edwards AFB in DCS, you could try the same test at Groom Lake on the NTTR map -- especially taking off behind RC (or Kortana, Simba, etc.). I wouldn't expect any roughness/pothole type issues, but you'd have to watch out for Desert Tortoises, and most definitely little green men (and women)!
As expected the Gripen would be a great plane for operating from western Ukraine. Only problem is that there probably are no one that would dare send them some and their pilots and mechanics don’t know the plane. But northwest Ukraine are a lot like Sweden. But I think the S-300, Tor and other USSR system idea are better as they work, the Ukrainians know them and if they should fall in to the Russians hands they won’t get any information or technology to reverse engineer.
Woah, GOOD JOB Cap on the Gripen pronunciation, first time I've heard a foreigner get it right. Gripen should be fully operational with pretty much any loadout on roads.
I know it's an old airplane but the F-5 series of aircraft we designed to take off and land on "unimproved fields". The closest thing to an unimproved airfield was landing and taking off from the dry lake bed at Edwards air force base. The Air force paints the runways marking on the dry lake. JUST FOR FUN SOMEONE SHOULD TRY THE GRASS TAKE OFF AND LANDINDS IN AN F-5 . THANK YOU
It's possible the Gripen can break that fast, though... saw a simulator flight with a former Gripen C/D pilot landing a Gripen E and going "oops too much breaks, I'll get the mechanics on me for that..." You guys will most definitely get the mechanics on you ;o)
Does the game simulate any part of ground objects getting sucked into or out of engines, like dirt, rocks, pebbles? I feel like that is extremely relevant as airfields tend to keep the runways clear but if you dont have a wide enough road... depending on how the intake is set up things could go very badly.
Is not only Sweden, Germany or the UK who have road sections assigned for fighter operations in Western Europe or NATO. It is pretty obvious that enemy forces would try to bomb landing strips in order to gain air superiority or supremacy in any given conflict. So NATO airforces have plans for unconventional and alternative airports ;) They just don't publicised it to the world as they don't have to promote Saabs Gripens.
+GrimReapersAtomic *SAAB AB (SWE) specifically engineered the JAS 39 strike fighter for short take-off and landing on hard surfaces.* Soft-field ops? Something else. The Mikojan-Gurjevich-23BN attack aircraft and MiG-29SMT fighter were engineered for soft fields, albeit within limits.
Re, squirrel protection. I do know that the Gripen's engine is designed to ingest a bird without breaking. The blades will deform and that will reduce efficiency (by 30% I think it was), but it will still operate. Which might be interesting to know. (I wonder if that's modeled at all in DCS... ingesting birds I mean.)
😂Lets put 3000lb of Maverick missiles on only one side of the smallest fighter jet in the Air Force and then act surprised when the plane drifts completely sideways
But... the F16 does have a chute. In that column that is poking out of the back above the nozzle. Weird that this model of the F16C isn't equipped with one...
Only some F16s have drag shutes. It was originally made for the Norwegians, which had them to use on their large network of short field (800m) airports on the west coast and up north. 25+ of them, in addition to the larger regional airports. It was in many ways the norwegian version of the swedish road network for fighter operations. They also have it on the F35s.
Stuff like that is one of the reasons I would love to see a Germany in the 80s map.
All Airbases had assigned to them alternate runways. Generally, a strip of Autobahn was actually built or converted in such a way that it could serve as a temporary base. Even the crash barriers were built to be removed in seconds.
If you ever drive on an Autobahn look at the separation of the lanes, if it is paved only (no stone bumps) you might be driving on an emergency runway.
I would really love that map. Even if it would be a bit scary if it came out now...
@G E T R E K T ich glaube, die sind in Norddeutschland.
@@Black-Re4per & @G E T R E K T : Nicht nur in Norddeutschland. Nahezu jede "ältere" Autobahn hat solche Abschnitte. Die werden z.B. auch benutzt um den Verkehr im Falle einer Baustelle auf die Gegenfahrbahnen zu bringen...
Im V-Fall war dann eine Seite als Runway, die Andere als Taxiway und für die Technik gedacht.
@G E T R E K T The Alpen NLP (NRW) is lost since a couple of years, after renovation of the A57
sweden too :)
When J37 VIGGEN was in operation in Sweden, a pilot landed on a 7 m wide road. It was a mistake and he should land at another bigger road. After landed and full stop he managed to turn around and take off again. By himself of course.
"We fly low and we fly hard" was the motto of the Viggen aviators back in the day. Losses were high, though...
0:57 Operating from road bases has been the Swedish Airforce doctrine since the Cold War. The planes has been design for short landing and takeoff and for fast refueling and rearming, as it takes about 15 minutes. Everting to keep our planes in the air as much as possible and out of harms way to be destroyed on the ground as the enemy will have a hard time finding every road base. Relocation of the road bases is easy to do too. Our overall doctrine during the Cold War was to fight a defensive war against a greater invading army in smaller independent groups guerrilla style causing as much damage to the enemy as much possible.
5:34 this scene looks exactly like one of those old cartoon shows especially with the off-sight explosion lol
I love the videos with just you and RC "sciencing" around. The straight-man + funny-man setup has been the most entertaining thing in the world to me since Laurel and Hardy.
Yup. Can't beat real chemistry guys :)
The Gripen obviously can as its designed for Swedish Force dispersal tactics
The F-16, Rafale and Eurofighter can as well but not as good as the Gripen
its one of the areas where the Gripen outclasses other aircraft
There is a classic they haven’t used yet and that’s the jaguar.
@@drugist ua-cam.com/video/j4_CpSFIfwU/v-deo.html
ROCAF also utilises road strip and have been seen using there new F-16v participating in such exercises.
Gripens are designed for operating from roads like they are very often do in Sweden, same as the Draken and Viggen.
You should do this with modern jets just for kicks and giggles (f35, f22, su57, j-20 etc) I think it’d be a cool video showing the capabilities of 5th gen fighters!
5 minutes in I fell out of my chair laughing. We love RC we really do! Thank you! Cheeky Cap……..
lols
Most grass runways are improved in America with what is called a turf aggregate runway. They install coarse aggregate and then grow grass over it. It is mowed and is pretty stable. It doesn’t support the heaviest planes, but crop dusters tend to use them frequently. We have one at our local airport.
In WWII, the Americans used SPS for creating portable hasty runways. In fact, my car trailer uses SPS for the tire bed. They just locked together like an AFX track. I wonder how modern aircraft would do on some of these for a runway. I imagine the tiny tires wouldn’t like it too much.
Similar runways are used in the Canadian north. Packed and smoothed dirt.
"I love it when a plan comes together!"
How about a drag race of vehicles that are in DCS? Perhaps a Jeep race or Tank race?
Ahahaha
living in Estonia, saw US A-10s, which were training to land on our highways back in 2017
😂😂😂😂😂😂 love the effort for the joke at the start. Thank you for making me chuckle
Always informative to watch these "what if's".
This was lots of fun. Now I wanna see how the Tomcat will fare hehe
Idea for Sunday Funday game or One-off Mission...
BluFor objective: Protect the lumbering, vulnerable AC-130 Spectre Gunship(s) from hostile air/ground forces; escort until they are within range of a specified target and can rain destruction on RedFor, winning the round. Red can win by destroying all AC-130s before the attack.
Possible game title: "Here Comes The Pain"
That AC-130 Benghazi vid was awesome - WE WANT MORE SPECTRE!
Another good video here! Keep up the great work SuperCap and GR Crew 🍻
Gripen was specifically designed to operate from Road bases
Rofl at the trucks spawned at the start! Nice work all around!!
One day I will learn what "Waaaaahgneeeer" is all about.
Until then, I will have to be satisfied with a half-hearted/non-referenced chuckle each time our narrator gets friendly-fired by one of the Reapers.
I would LOVE to see if the A-10 could do this thing, as it combines rugged specs, high engine inlets, and a titanium sitz bath for the pilot.
We have had reserve road bases in Sweden since the early 60's. In the first years of tests we even used J29 Tunnan. The idea was to protect the air force from being annihilated by Soviet attacks and to be able to host NATO (US+UK) Air Forces on regular bases. Several fields on the east coast was specifically leangthen to be able to recive returning V-bombers if there was a need.
I recommend the public report "FORTV Rapport 2006:1" if you want to know more about Bas 60 road bases
Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 79
Our local small airport has the runway designed to accommodate larger planes in an emergency.
"Fitchburg Municipal Airport covers an area of 376 acres (152 ha) which contains one paved runway: 14/32 measuring 5,001 x 100 ft (1,524 x 30 m)."
Entertaining! Thanks guys :)
omg. when those truck poped in i lost it
My missus just looked at me and said what the hell, i just had the best laugh in years! That opening is hilarious
Is not only Sweden, Germany or the UK who have road sections assigned for fighter operations in Western Europe or NATO. It is pretty obvious that enemy forces would try to bomb landing strips in order to gain air superiority or supremacy in any given conflict. So NATO airforces have plans for unconventional and alternative airports ;) They just don't publicised it to the world as they don't have to promote Saabs Gripens.
Switzerland has developed specific guard rails in order to be able to quickly deploy fighter jets from highways if they need to.
Whole Finnish air doctrine is built around dispersion of air assets and using highways as main bases of operation.
NATO and many of our allies actually did plan and in some rare cases practice using highways as alternate runways. South Korea had one stretch of highway painted with runway markers for this purpose. The US interstate system has many 1 mile long or more stretches of straight open tarmac to be used for this purpose as well. With the Air Land battle strategy of the 1980s, and knowing Warsaw Pact would target our airfields, NATO needed a way to ensure we had alternate fields to keep air superiority. What is amazing is the old German warbirds had to put this into practice as the Autobahns were used as airfields during WW2.
Canard is used both in case of asymmetric and symmetric movement of the control surfaces. The Typhoon, as far as I'm aware, has symmetric syncronized canard movement, meaning it only acts on pitch control and as an airbrake, aside from generating a small component of lift compared to the wings, but it's not the main purpose; the Gripen on the other hand has an asymmetric canard control, which means it acts on pitch and roll control, making the aircraft control more redundant as it can roll with the canards aside from the ailerons, usally a combination of both. All canards are fore-planes fundamentally, because they're a lifting surface (plane) in front (forward) of the main lifting surface or plane (aka. wings), so forward-plane thus fore-plane; but not all fore-planes are canards, since some can be static fundamental lifting surfaces that generate a big proportion of the total lift or static airfoils that deviate the airflow to improve lift generation by the wings as a LERX does for the F/A-18 by at hight AoA by generating a lift vortex that sticks the boundary layer to the wing. Long story short: if it's in front of the wing, it's a fore-plane, but if it also moves it's called a canard, which can operate symmetricaly or not. If I'm wrong, which is most probably the case, feel free to comment what you think.
During 1972 a squadron of Swedish AF J-35 Drakens on invitation from the Soviet AF made a friendly visit to Kubinka near Moscow. With a squadron of Soviet MiG 21s in return making a visit to the Swedish AF F-11 flotilla during 1975.
During the flight to Moscow, the Swedish Drakens had to make a midway stop on a Soviet airfield in what's now either Belarus or Ukraine, and the field that the Soviets originally had designated for the midway stop was a base that normally hosted transport aircraft like the AN-12 Cub. But the Swedish route planning team found that the gaps between the concrete slabs in the runway on that base, while narrow enough for the wheel tires on an AN-12 to pass over them, was too wide for the J-35 Draken nosewheel 😁. So they had to find an alternative field to land on instead 🙂.
_Loads a rafale with 2 SCALP cruise missiles_ : hey, we can't land that thing !
Gripen was built to operate from country roads, so moot to even incluide it.
Cap: there's definitely no fire or smoke here!
Cap's plane: on fire
Gripen is designed to operate from roads and winter conditions
Gripen enthusiasts 😎👍
Those roads Gripen can operate from is not improvised. They are airfields with a dual use as roads.
If you are driving in Sweden on a smal forrest road, one lane in each direction, curves in all direction all the time, sudenly you enter a road part that is 2 lanes in each dirrction a straight as an arrow and the forrest trimmed back from the road and nice turnplaces at each end.
@@jensolsson9666 Technically it could operate from improvised roads, it just that some roads are less improvised then others.
@Nathan Nakaji you'd loose
"Why would you want to see European fighters take off of road and grass?" - The whole swedish defense strategy is based on the their fighters taking off from roads. The Griphen was designed for that.
Great stuff!
W word 🤣
It’s interesting how IRL only the grippen (out of this lot of aircraft) has been “cleared” to do these types of landings I would love to see some naval aircraft (like F-18s F-14s A-6s and A-4s) since they have strengthened gear so in theory should be able to land quite easily
Hello GR, Greece here. Fun fact, we have plans to operate our F-16s (as far as i know) on highways to take off without plans to land until we find a temporary runway!
The Viggen is designed to use roads, and I believe the main gear is double bogey deliberately for rough ground operations.
Snowy road was much more common.
Tactics ; I keep thinking about the Camping in the Park strategy . Get in position and wait for them .
Best entertainment in the UA-cams these days LOL.
@grim reapers @kelso. Next recommendation: try flying planes of one configuration: warbirds all with radial engines, all with inline/water cooled engines; all with delta wings, all with swing wings (F-14, B1, ??); all with one engine, two engines, four engines; all carrier planes, the most delicate ones you can imagine. Thanks for considering the request. Take care have a great Sunday evening.
There should be a mod where you can install giant balloon tires on a jet aircraft. But, the landing gear bays will have a hard time closing I'm sure lol
The Hawker Suddenly Barker and AV8 most certainly could!
Your laugh is so funny mate, my son also cracks up everytime you say "Jesus Chraaaast"
"...not an ambi-turner." Hilarious Zoolander ref, Cap. 🤣
lol
Hearing Cap wheeze like that made my day. Filthy. :')
lol
If I am not mistaken Norwegian F16s are equipped with parachutes since the 80s
In real life Gripen probably could from a highway as I understand its made with rough fields and limited facilities in mind. Grass I don't know. As for the rest I haven't a clue. The real question is can they operate off a gravel strip?
All planes with air intakes low to the ground and no engine FOD mitigation = forget it, the engines would be trashed very quickly on gravel. The Gripen should do fine though.
Probably from a highway? It's actually one of SAAB's selling points for the Gripen NG that it can land on short straight aways and be serviced by a couple of trucks.
What I can say for certain is that the Gripen can indeed be operated from highways. He is a light and small fighter. According to Saab, it can operate from highways and be fully refueled and rearmed with 5 to 6 technicians in 10 minutes. Sweden did so because it knows that the military bases would be the first to be destroyed in a first strike, just as Russia did in Ukraine. So, with the fighter operating from highways, it's hard to stop getting them in the air. This, in fact, was one of the reasons why my country (Brazil) chose Gripen. Some regions of Brazil, such as the Amazon, do not have as much infrastructure as in large cities in the South and Southeast.
There are literally videos of the Gripen landing and taking off from such facilities, I' m wagering that Swedish doctrine has this ingrained from the get go for decades now, ever since the good ol' Viggen and Draken.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 It was a base requirement of the Gripen. Sweedish air doctrine is based on the idea that air bases would be one of the first things struck in any war, so it is better to have aircraft that can take off from makeshift runways with limited crews.
CAP, the fire fighter gag was totally evil and hilarious!
agree
Fun things on this topic. -
Mobile Arresting Systems - MAAS US Air Force acronym for “Mobile Aircraft Arresting System”. It is basically a standard BAK-12 aircraft arresting system made mobile through installation on a MAAS trailer. Each trailer contains hydraulic tools and hardware necessary for installation and removal of the system. The ability to be installed in multiple configurations on several different surface types makes the MAAS a flexible system.
MATCT Mobile Air Traffic Control Tower. - air transportable, in some cases air mobile, able to be set up quickly and tied in to other systems.
Thales D-ILS is a commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) system, mobile, to be hooked up with tower, provides precision approach guidance to Category 1 weather minimums, with a 200-foot decision height and half-mile visibility
AFRL lights portable LED-based runway lighting, deployed by 2 jeeps, one on either side of the runway.
FAUN Trackway - aluminium temporary runway, allowing for deployment of runways.
So, we have our search radars, our control tower, runway, landing lights, ILS, arresting cables, all we need is fuel browsers, and ordinance vehicles. Want a runway somewhere? Anywhere?
Well F-16s can definitely operate on roads Taiwan(ROCAF) always do that in the Han Kuang Exercise
Now we need F/A18, F15, F22, and the current Chinese and Russian jets. I guess this is a new series for you. Very fun!
RC had issues as soon as he had to live up to being a Cessna pilot.
This was fun to watch
TLDR: variation of Maxim 11: "Everything is road startable, at least once..."
IIRC the unpaved fields that the soviet planes are meant to operate from aren't just empty meadows, they needed the field to be compressed.
old viggen and actual gripen are surely made to operate from roads... Swedish manufacturers are smart :)
From one of your own tutorials : "NWS until 77kts" haha
That was a great video, Cap. It left me curious about the FOD modeling in DCS. I can almost guarantee that every fighter jet developed by the USA since the 1940's has both taken off and landed on their dry lake edge, which raises an incredible amount of FOD, from super-fine desert dust to small rocks, not to mention all the crows/blackbirds!
Since there's no map that includes Edwards AFB in DCS, you could try the same test at Groom Lake on the NTTR map -- especially taking off behind RC (or Kortana, Simba, etc.).
I wouldn't expect any roughness/pothole type issues, but you'd have to watch out for Desert Tortoises, and most definitely little green men (and women)!
Try a Viggen 😎
They were built for that kind of start 👍🏻
To the point that it'd be the same as actually cheating.
As expected the Gripen would be a great plane for operating from western Ukraine. Only problem is that there probably are no one that would dare send them some and their pilots and mechanics don’t know the plane.
But northwest Ukraine are a lot like Sweden.
But I think the S-300, Tor and other USSR system idea are better as they work, the Ukrainians know them and if they should fall in to the Russians hands they won’t get any information or technology to reverse engineer.
Same for the MiG-29’s if they still wanna have them.
Woah, GOOD JOB Cap on the Gripen pronunciation, first time I've heard a foreigner get it right.
Gripen should be fully operational with pretty much any loadout on roads.
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lmao him laughing at the accident
I know it's an old airplane but the F-5 series of aircraft we designed to take off and land on "unimproved fields". The closest thing to an unimproved airfield was landing and taking off from the dry lake bed at Edwards air force base. The Air force paints the runways marking on the dry lake. JUST FOR FUN SOMEONE SHOULD TRY THE GRASS TAKE OFF AND LANDINDS IN AN F-5 .
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It's possible the Gripen can break that fast, though... saw a simulator flight with a former Gripen C/D pilot landing a Gripen E and going "oops too much breaks, I'll get the mechanics on me for that..." You guys will most definitely get the mechanics on you ;o)
I love your videos. You remind me of the Jeremy Clarkson of jets. Haha thank you.
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Does the game simulate any part of ground objects getting sucked into or out of engines, like dirt, rocks, pebbles?
I feel like that is extremely relevant as airfields tend to keep the runways clear but if you dont have a wide enough road... depending on how the intake is set up things could go very badly.
Sadly not.
Should have tried that with old Sepecat Jaguar - that was designed to be able to take off and land on fields.☝️
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The F-18 has some beefy landing gear. It's gotta be able to do it.
Finland has operated the F/A-18C from roadstrips for years, one of the reasons why it was selected back then.
I did hear that the RAF where looking into the idea of training to land on motorways and rough landing strips.
Is not only Sweden, Germany or the UK who have road sections assigned for fighter operations in Western Europe or NATO. It is pretty obvious that enemy forces would try to bomb landing strips in order to gain air superiority or supremacy in any given conflict. So NATO airforces have plans for unconventional and alternative airports ;) They just don't publicised it to the world as they don't have to promote Saabs Gripens.
these guys make the blue angels look like amateurs
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Didn't think the Viper could do it.
You mean Viper?
@@vondalo5504 Yeah I edited it.
Classix - Ersatzpiste (1988) - movie from official chanel with F4, F16, Tornado and C130 operate from roads.
I need an extended HOTAS. I need a GPU upgrade first though. Only got a R7370. Not enough boots to run DCS :(
That grass looked pretty bumpy, like it was some random farmers field. What about a smooth packed dirt runway like they use in northern Canada?
+GrimReapersAtomic *SAAB AB (SWE) specifically engineered the JAS 39 strike fighter for short take-off and landing on hard surfaces.* Soft-field ops? Something else. The Mikojan-Gurjevich-23BN attack aircraft and MiG-29SMT fighter were engineered for soft fields, albeit within limits.
Finnish F-18 fighters routinely operate from highway runways during exercises.
Gripen are made to start from roads. All Swedish airplanes since J29 Tunnan was made to operate from road.
One point. Belly intakes are a no go for this kind of operations. If you don't have a 100 men with brooms!
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OMG! That is hilarious! I choked laughing so hard. And I like RC.
Make a mockery of the GR brand?
See if Heatblur gives you Early Access anymore lmao
What about the F35B, they take off from QE2 so?... and landing out rolling landing
Does the Cyprus map have the A5 motorway? If so it might be fun to see an F-15 try that one.
Can the F-35a or F-35b pull off the same thing cap?i am curious
Re, squirrel protection. I do know that the Gripen's engine is designed to ingest a bird without breaking. The blades will deform and that will reduce efficiency (by 30% I think it was), but it will still operate. Which might be interesting to know. (I wonder if that's modeled at all in DCS... ingesting birds I mean.)
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Well, the Gripen is built for it....
Groundhog protection would be more like it (and a funnier word). Groundhog = whistle pig as a colloquialism as another option (WPP).
😂Lets put 3000lb of Maverick missiles on only one side of the smallest fighter jet in the Air Force and then act surprised when the plane drifts completely sideways
Have you watched the Danish movie “The Shadow in My Eye” about RAF Operation Carthage. Very well made movie, Grim Reaper style combat.
Swiss Airforce used to have road based redoubt airbases.
any fighter can operate from road surfaces. A runway is a road.
can you do f-18 and f-35c operating from road and grass bases to test the landing gear?
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Ich bin Ein (insert favorite noun here)! Hilarious!
lol correct!
F-16 landing gears are made in the Netherlands, so it's tiny little Dutch wheels I'm afraid...
12:00 you should've use the dragchute F16's. Make it easier for you
Now I need to see Gripen attempt to land on a carrier please!
nice!
But... the F16 does have a chute. In that column that is poking out of the back above the nozzle. Weird that this model of the F16C isn't equipped with one...
Only some F16s have drag shutes. It was originally made for the Norwegians, which had them to use on their large network of short field (800m) airports on the west coast and up north. 25+ of them, in addition to the larger regional airports.
It was in many ways the norwegian version of the swedish road network for fighter operations.
They also have it on the F35s.
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U should try it on the grass airfields on britain ww2 map